Cinematic Excrement: Episode 85 - Fant4stic

[@SupermanCena]

Let's be glad Michael B Jordan pulled a Chris Evans.

[@bromodragone8405]

You'll play Human Torch in a big budget film, next thing you know, you're a recognized member of the MCU.

[@mauricedavis8261]

🙏👍🤣🤣🤣

[@SupermanCena]

@@bromodragone8405 Can't wait to see the next Human Torch be in the MCU! ...wait a minute

[@robotrix]

And then died.

[@michaelcarpenter2498]

@@SupermanCena goingvto be hard to beat Jordan.

[@BeatchBall]

"Technically we do have one good Fantastic Four movie. It's called The Incredibles." So true.

[@ElOchentero]

why is people always saying that in every single FF review? it is not true and they nor even have similar powers, except for the elastic woman.

[@areasevenpro]

It's because of the premise of a superhero family. Pixar nailed it perfectly with The Incredibles.

[@ElOchentero]

areasevenpro I see, I thought it was bcs of the super-powers that are kind of similar, if strechted

[@BeatchBall]

"Strechted?" Was the pun intended?

[@ElOchentero]

***** is the thing a thing?

[@jimtheedcguy4313]

I'll never not call this movie"fanfourstick".

[@BetweenWaters]

The funny thing is that Kate Mara didn't even need the wig. Most of the scenes she has it in are after the one year jump in time. That would be a reasonable amount of time for her character to get a haircut. It's not like her hairstyle played an essential role in the story lol

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

What if they said her hair color changed due to the introduction of the energy? Like she started out with brown hair or something but due to her powers it started to turn a white to show off its powers or something?

[@tedgruver7618]

Ben Burrell I agree, not only was the wig obvious and awful, it is completely unnecessary, especially since the movie jumps one year forward in time.

[@ian_b]

I think it was a belated attempt to make her look more like comics Sue Storm.

[@kazinadbiralamadit6905]

@@ian_b considering the way the movie takes itself wayyyy to seriously it still wouldn't save the final product with or without the wig, first of all why make the Fantastic four realistic? See any of their comics they are meant to be campy & corny they are meant to be enjoyed by everyone regardless of age why make them serious? Christopher Nolan when making Batman begins, did do research on Batman and found both his mission in life, his inner conflict & his villains and supporting charecters to be interesting and thought provoking and when he thought that something he did not knew about the charecter he brought someone who actually knows about the charecter more than him , The Dark knight while more realistic did take insperation from The Long Halloween comic story among other Batman story , he knew about the charecter and brought him to the big screen; this movie feels like they just saw the realistic aspect of The Dark knight and just made a movie based around it.

[@MissBarker93]

Fun fact: Reed and Ben's science teacher is played by Dan Castellanetta, the voice of Homer Simpson.

[@medes5597]

We know.

[@rogermazuca4582]

Fun fact: The guy playing Human Torch, Michael B Jordan, did the voice of Kilmonger on the What If series

[@MarcoPiazzo]

​@@rogermazuca4582And Killmonger in both Black Panther movies so far.

[@crystalm7980]

D'OH!!!!

[@RiverOfWetness468]

"Lots of directors have had clashes with producers and studio executive. It's why Edgar Wright left Ant-Man, for example. But there's a *Wright* way and a wrong way to handle that."

[@countjakku5544]

Just made my day

[@dwibs93]

"Maybe it's time for Fox to let go of the Fantastic Four" Or they could sell the entire studio.

[@kira-dk2mx]

Disney: "I'm listening."

[@seanpvs101moviesproduction3]

Marvel Studios : “Fine….i’ll do it My Way”

[@dvass7253]

10:54 - 11:09 - At least in Man of Steel that was part of the style - something which Fant4stic lacks among many other things. Man of Steel also had great action and ton of memorable scenes. I'll never forget that image of Superman sinking in skulls. Or his first flight. Whether you like the movie or not, you can't deny that Zack Snyder actually put effort into it and at the very least he has SOME idea of how comic book movies are made.

[@louisduarte8763]

As well as having Superman KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

[@Timliu92]

A movie about the making of this film would be more interesting than the film itself.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Midnight Edge my friend. Watch their videos on this debacle.

[@Timliu92]

Seen it bro. Dope stuff :)

[@cadethumann8605]

Super Cosmic Mutant Honey Candle Squid Still, it would be interesting to see it in visual form (I.e. see it how it played instead of simply being told about it).

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Cade Thumann They usually put 'making of' stuff on the DVD/Blu-Ray. Don't tell me that was missing as well.

[@emilyreda9595]

Definitely

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

I heard that Michael B. Jordan was in line to play the younger Dr. Dre in Straight Outta Compton. but when the schedule to that and Fant4stic overlapped, he had to choose one. let's just say after Fant4stic, he was going "Thank God for Creed".

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

Nathaniel Levesque Did Creed come after F4nt45t1c?

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

Addison Bortion yes

[@jaydee3237]

Nathaniel Levesque Now he's in Black Panther.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

Nathaniel Levesque Good, that means he still has a career.

[@katn9923]

I honestly wonder why he chose this vs Straight Outta Compton. Maybe it was the whole "franchise" premise that convinced him? MBJ came out the most unscathed by this movie in my opinion. The other actors I don't think were hurt much but Jordan was at least cast in Black Panther and had the positive backing of Creed. If his name is ever brought up now, F4 is rarely mentioned at all. When he came out on stage with the Black Panther cast at SDCC I actually forgot he was in F4.

[@neilprice513]

This abomination of a film was exremely loosly based on the Ultimates comic book version of the Fantastic 4, that comic was interesting but extremely flawed as well (not as much as this film is though). In that comic "It's Clobbering Time" was something Ben Grimm's High School American Football Coach used to say to pump his team up for a game. That explanation works and it was expalained in one line, it still worked better than Fant4stic's explaination. Another KZbinr "The Blockbuster Buster" made an interesting explaination of what would make a good Fantastic 4 movie, Merge Disney's and Pixar's "The Incredibles" with "Doctor Who" do it well and you will make a good movie. I agree it would make a good movie if done right.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

+ Neil Price YES! YES! THANK YOU! SOMEONE ELSE WHO KNEW ABOUT THE ULTIMATE TIE IN! THANK YOU!

[@gracekim1998]

Um...what?😅

[@thefantasticretroreviewer3941]

3:23, He actually has a fair point about most Re-shoots in Movies. Most of them can come in handy and be very useful when you think about it.

[@raym1477]

Doom in this film looks like a crash test dummy wrapped in foil and Christmas lights.

[@policerthought5649]

Crash test doomy

[@alexanderklepp]

I find it interesting that both Chris Evans and Michael B. Jordan both didn't do so well as Johnny Storm aka the Human Torch but found success after joining the MCU with Evans playing Steve Rogers/Captain America and Jordan playing Erik Killmonger.

[@gerbill13]

want to know the origin of it's clobbering time? it was his coach's catchphrase before they went on to the field to play america football.

[@3Guys1Video]

oooooh

[@TheBonkleFox]

God i wish.

[@roberttreacy8271]

That’s a lot better than the origin in this movie.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Huh, that makes the phrase kind of heartwarming

[@thatcarlchick7655]

Every time I hear the phrase "New York City," I hear that sound bite from the old Pace commercials in my head. Hearing it aloud in this video was reassuring and confirming on an existential level.

[@GabyGeorge1996]

I feel like a lot of the shit that the MCU went through behind the scenes can be blamed solely on Ike Perlmutter

[@benkimmel8412]

When talking about the three act structure, I realized something. The 2nd act was there. It just happened during the year we didn't see.

[@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout]

This entire movie is like watching the Battle of Winterfell for two hours.

[@ryanrobotham7696]

10:18 On silly sounding names in other countries: And in England, "Trump" is another word for "fart." Puts a lot in perspective doesn't it?

[@fredjones2170]

Ryan Robotham That’s way too appropriate

[@lurchlogan]

So to the British,he's "President Fart"?... Same with us!!

[@gracekim1998]

Ryan Robotham like trumpet?

[@luckyducky7819]

"And in England, "Trump" is another word for "fart." Puts a lot in perspective doesn't it?" Yeah, actually. Do the English think Trumpets sound like farts? ... Oh come on. You know one of them over there had that thought.

[@macewindu3492]

And Dooku means 'from the anus' in portugese

[@2wingo]

But there IS a good Fantastic Four movie! It's called "The Incredibles," and it's perfect.

[@TYCOM125]

2wingo and that line is terribly unoriginal. Yes it's from Screen Junkies but it's still cringeworthy after the nth time.

[@billybarnett9518]

It's not from screen junkies, critics were calling Incredibles the best F4 movie we probably will see when it first came out.

[@marccolten9801]

The best Fantastic Four version was on The Venture Brothers. Elastic Man is an egomaniac voiced by Stephen Colbert. The Human Torch bursts into flames screaming in pain. Invisible girl only makes her skin vanish so you can see her muscles. And The Thing is a mentally challenged rock creature.

[@lexh.5225]

I've been saying for AGES that the MCU needs to introduce Dr. Doom earlier than the Fantastic Four; he runs a freakin country, he needs to show up even as just a mention in the background.

[@lynngatrell7965]

I feel the same about virtually EVERY Superman movie having Lex Luthor as the villain. He has SO MANY villains! Using Luthor every time is just lazy!

[@andu1854]

Michael B Jordan being Johnny storm was not the issue here (he is a great actor and is great in many of his rolls) it was the script

[@ladynikkie]

9% on rotten tomatoes.... you know you screwed up badly when you made a movie that is worse than Elecktra lol

[@Smokingwrecker]

Ouch.

[@phoenixshadow6633]

My problem with Johnny Storm's casting is just how racist it is. So you have the black sibling be an irresponsible idiot while the white, adopted sibling is the smart one ... Who thought this was a smart idea?

[@gracekim1998]

All you people do is focus on RACE!🤦‍♀️ ANYONE can be irresponsible! So shut up!

[@phoenixshadow6633]

@@gracekim1998 Make me shut up, you fucking hack.

[@medes5597]

When I heard they had made a character black, I instantly assumed it had to be Reed Richards. And I thought that was really clever. Usurp the racial stereotypes by making him the smart, clever, resourceful leader rather than the hothead. When someone told me it was Johnny, I was like "wait hang on, he has a sister, I've not heard anything about her race changing" And that's when I discovered that they'd basically gone "OK well obviously the irresponsible hot headed idiot is the only one who could be black, so we'll just make his sister adopted" It's so blatantly racist.

[@Masterge77]

It just seems like Fox is incapable of doing anything with the Fantastic Four, and I really wish they gave the rights back to Marvel, since the franchise has pretty much been killed off by Fox at this point.

[@tastyloaf5487]

In my head, I keep remembering Fant4stic as a _Sony_ film... ... probably because Sony haven't made a great track record for themselves.

[@GabyGeorge1996]

Tasty Loaf ask and ye shall receive

[@litlblkhouse]

Consider it DONE. Disney announced a new Fantastic Four movie as early as last year's D23.........for sometime in 2022.

[@LinkMarioSamus]

@@tastyloaf5487 This was the last film greenlit by former Fox chairman Tom Rothman before he moved to Sony. So there is a connection, however tenuous. Rothman then greenlit The Emoji Movie there.

[@JasonMarshMusic]

If/when they reboot and if/when they bring back Dr. Doom, just have him actually be Dr. Doom; Make him a genius scientist and sorcerer who creates a powerful suit of armor, and who's the smartest man on earth. Make him the lord of a country and make him nearly impossible to defeat.

[@conradlorgar5508]

That doesnt translate well to live action you basically just combine half the avengers and you get doom The intelligence, armour and ego of ironman The skills of cap The magic of dr strange And a sprinkle of black Panthers kingdom and you get doom That's alot for one character to have

[@elmermedina1713]

Reed Richards is smarter than Doom

[@oliviawilliams6204]

@@elmermedina1713 that’s basically Doom, he’s second best at everything, making him incredibly strong, almost as intelligent as Reed, almost as good a sorcerer as Strange, an armour almost as good as Stark, physically strong enough to kill a lion barehanded. On any aspect there’s always someone better than him, but none of them are good at everything he does very well.

[@Axterix13]

There is one thing he's best at, that being will power. He's the only human that can handle the Infinity Guantlet due to that, as well as letting him do things like remain in full control while infected with the zombie virus or resisting the Purple Man's mind control at its strongest. But yeah, the biggest problem with the Dooms we get in the last three movies is that he's always more akin to the Ultimates version, and the Ultimates universe, other than its Spidey, is pure garbage. They need to quit tying his creation to that the Fantastic 4, and give us the actual Doctor Doom. Really, they should have starting building toward Doom after the end of the Infinity Gauntlet bit, making Doomwar, the conflict between Wakanda and Latveria as the next big thing. But alas, Chadwick Boseman died and the MCU seems to be floundering around at the moment, without a clear direction.

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

Another fun fact: in Georgia, there's a town called Cumming. Quite frankly, I think the "it's clobberin' time!" thing alone would have killed the movie. Also, any chance of you reviewing that crappy Independence Day sequel? :P

[@MistressDove]

I still don't exactly GET the complaining about the "Clobbin' Time" thing. Imo it was interesting,like I've stated once in a general comment,I felt it was Ben taking something that use to be a signal of pain and suffering and making it his own. It could've been expanded on more,yes,but it,by itself,isn't all that bad I think.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

If the movie had a slightly more fun tone, the clobbering time line origin could have been something Ben said when he's trying to help with apples for a pie and decides to bash them comedically. At least my idea sounds less groan worthy than the abuse idea they went with.

[@tastyloaf5487]

Alan Cumming and Jim Cummings are both amazing actors, though. That overshadows the name.

[@bartistclord1916]

There are over 100 million people in india with the last name Dikshit.

[@gracekim1998]

Thomasmemoryscentral so you don’t like it when movies tackle real issues people have

[@thefantasticretroreviewer3941]

3:59, Maybe they had to improvise or something. I know it doesn't look like they were trying to improvise in that scene with the wig, but still, I'm just trying to take a very WILD guess here.

[@45darkrai]

It was so bad that not even Stan Lee was a part of it especially compared with the previous two Fantastic Four.

[@billybarnett9518]

Stan said they didn't contact him actually

[@45darkrai]

Billy Barnett In all honesty, that's even better.

[@billybarnett9518]

45darkrai Yeah, but if I was him I think I'd be a little insulted.

[@conradlorgar5508]

@@billybarnett9518 I mean hes not in every marvel movie

[@billybarnett9518]

@@conradlorgar5508 This is true, but I read it was because he had schedule conflicts for some of them. The fact that they didn't even contact him is a bit insulting.

[@christopherkorol4422]

Huh, I honestly forgot the Fantastic 4 had other villains. Probably because all the movies had Doom.

[@alwrig]

The Roger Corman non-release from '94 was "Citizen Kane" compared to this hot mess!

[@DigiMega351]

Fant4stic's Dr. Doom looks so much like a male version of Shodan from System Shock.

[@ryandowney8743]

The Venture Brothers did a much better job of doing the "dark and gritty version of Fantastic Four" than this movie did, and that's a comedy!

[@countjakku5544]

It's also saying a lot

[@tolchok89]

I can’t wait until the 2nd Look review, since the Polygon piece on Josh Trank sheds more light on what went wrong. For instance, the reason the third act seems so rushed is because Trank lost interest in completing the script once he got to the point where the four got their powers. Also, co-writer Jeremy Slater quit early on because Trank was locking him out of discussions with the studio. On a more positive note, Trank wanted BOTH Sue and Johnny to be black, but Fox rebuffed him.

[@HanaBakemono]

I studied some lighting design in theater and I think the reason for making it dark in the laboratory is simply to set a mood of serious, dramatic tension. Still, it's a laboratory. You need bright lights. You can have bright lights and still set a dramatic, tense mood. Make the furniture and equipment white, have them dress in darker colors, add a tint to the camera; I'm not a film expert (studying theater, it's different), but I'm at least trying! More than most of the people who worked on this film, anyways. I never understood how people can screw lighting up so much in movies. Yes, lighting can be a major pain in the ass, but in a lot of cases, it can either make or break a film. For example, in Moulin Rouge, they shine a blue light on Satine during her introduction because blue light on pale skin gives a shimmering, glowing look; aka, The Sparkling Diamond. It was beautifully done, she was under a spotlight so all eyes were focused on her, and it was a terrific entrance for this character. But in Twilight, because all the vampires are pale and sparkle in the sunlight, they SOAK the movie in blue to achieve that shimmery look. Almost every scene has blue lighting or a blue filter, and it makes everyone who ISN'T pale and/or a vampire look like they're dying or freezing. I couldn't even finish Twilight because it gave me a headache! That, and my DVD literally spat it out halfway through.

[@1r0zz]

as a graphic designer and film enthusiast(and amateur photographer) I can tell you that the movie uses the low key to have a "somber" and "realistic" theme to the movie...at least it attempts to have them...it's also obvious by how the plot makes the main character miserable or something like that (even if in real life they are just egoistic fu*ks)... this also mix the usual "blue-orange" color grading (pretty much the only color grading in use at hollywood...), giving everything "lotta" blue tones and few orange tones, that actually kinda feels out of place now and do not give the supposed "warm and likable" response... the fun part is that the low-light was all post-production of shots NOT really ment, probably, for a Low key take. I think that because every setting never use contrast between light and dark, so they ARE normally lit, but they just lowered the brightness of the scene in post... Light is the paintbrush of photography, and this movie fails hard at using it...

[@HanaBakemono]

Ah, thank you for popping in to help me out! And for using better wording than I ever could XD Theater is so much different than film, but I do agree with your lovely quote of light being a paintbrush to photography. Still, they didn't need to make the entire mood of the film somber, dramatic, and realistic to begin with. It's the Fantastic Four! How does a multi-million production team screw up so badly? Then again, they did give the poor actress a cheap wig, so I guess I just answered my own question.

[@1r0zz]

HanaBakemono lights can make or break a scene in photography, cinema and, I bevile, in your area of expertise: theater. about the production of the movie I can even make some hypothesis: as of now, thanks to some huge "seller", movies are really conceived as "products". not narrative. the problem is that not all directors are able to just do "wage-work"...and when you put in different ideology clashing between eachother you have the recipe of a shitty product. the "seriousness" attitude of this movie is just that. clashing of different ideology, production and market trends... it could be that the director wanted to make an "adult" story about comic books heroes (showing his childishness), because he is supposed to be "visionary" or something (like Snyder...). or it could be that they just decided that in a "creative sterile environment" after a inquiry showed that 58% of a random group of people answered in the Focus Group wanted a "serious movie"... as someone who studied advertisement, I can tell you that Focus Groups and Market Research on "active" consumers, easily produce alienated and distorted results... the example of the focus group on the question: "would you want a serious superhero movie or a fun superhero movie" the subject of the inquiry can very well answer completely differently that what he actually thinks. especially on a socially "embarrassing" question like that. answering, in a group of people, that he would like a fun superhero movie can make him be afraid of being perceived as "childish" or "not serious" person. of course producers ignore this, and just shove those statistic into production with a zealot faith in them. failing hard many times...like in Fant4stick. on the wig: I guess they just stopped caring and wanted something, possibly "more decent" than what they had, to release...

[@troyschulz2318]

I kinda actually like how this movie's shot. I'm an amateur filmmaker myself, and I tend to shoot using a muted color palette on the cooler side of the spectrum, lot of high contrast and grays.

[@1r0zz]

Sting SniperScope but the problem is not really the theme of the shot, is that they took normal sets and then forced a color palette on it, or at least this is what it seems. even if in my photography I tend to have preference on bright colors, I too appreciate darker and more contrasted shots. but this movie didn't really used the palette well...

[@MichaelAarons1701]

Thank you for pointing out that the four actors aren't in the same shot together until the end (Sue is in the control booth in separate footage). If I were to do a Marvel FF film, it'd be them on a ship exploring when they come to a planet and get into some adventure dealing with locals. The Guardians could even cameo at one point even though that'd take away from the main characters who are yet to have their own movie without sucking. The Four were not just superheroes who go out and fight evil but were seekers of truth and knowledge and would often stumble onto man-made problems. Therefore, don't give them a direct villain but just a mysterious situation to explore and get caught up in.

[@billybarnett9518]

I say give them a direct villain

[@MichaelAarons1701]

Billy Barnett Well that's fine for someone to be behind it but I'm saying have them go to do some scientific exploration of some strange new thing and then it won't matter whether someone was behind it but just give them some adventure to go on that utilizes each of them as a team.

[@billybarnett9518]

MichaelAarons1701 Do the Mole Man, he had an underground kingdom in New York.

[@MichaelAarons1701]

Billy Barnett That would make for a good story for them to go underground and be confronted with all sorts of weird encounters and perils assuming the alien planet plot wasn't used (at least in the first go anyway).

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Wow, this really is the most dysfunctional super hero team ever. They're supposed to be a team....yet they do jack and shit together.

[@EWil313]

Making Johnny Storm black but Kate Morris white does interfere with the craptastic story. They could have kept him black and made Kate Morris black or they could have kept Johnny Storm white. I am black and even I am tired of everyone overlooking the obvious: race-lifting without understanding the context (they're related as brother and sister.)

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

If they made Sue Black, that would have been awesome but of course, someone would have to argue why it's offensive and yada yada yada.

[@goldyd144]

Super Cosmic Mutant Honey Candle Squid That would have been awesome to see. But, like MJ, they'd miss her "iconic look" more than they'd care about her actual performance, if the whole Zendaya debacle is any indication.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Daezy Gilder Someone said it in an earlier comment that people would try to make the idea of a Black Sue into racism by having her date a White dude because it would apparently be a woman going out with an 'oppressor'. So I can guess that if MJ were Black and Peter were still White, they'd scream the same thing. Whoops. Never mind the fact we never hear this type of outrage whenever it's a Black man going out with a White chick or a Black man going out with ANYONE else. But when its a Black chick, it's suddenly a 'problem', but it's problems that people don't seem to bat an eye at when they apply the same logic on something else. After all, everyone is asking for diversity but I guess there is still some 'wrong' diversity ie, stuff the actual racist who pretend they aren't racist don't want to see.

[@goldyd144]

Super Cosmic Mutant Honey Candle Squid Oh, believe me - I know of that. There's a very vocal minority of black people (and white people) who view a black woman dating a white man as wrong, but not the other way around. I guess it's because a black man dating a white woman is him "showing freedom and disolving racial tension", or some BS. The whole thing screams of hyocrisy if you ask me. However, the biggest argument that I've heard against black women playing white characters is that "it erases their iconic look!" Hence, my comment. I'm well aware that it swings both ways.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Daezy Gilder In most cases like that, when the movie proves good and the actor shows they can carry the role (including working with the iconic look) it usually shuts a lot of people up. Things like Fury proved this (thought he is also Ultimate Fury but for general movie-going crowd he is the main Fury now and the only Fury they are familiar with). I've just noticed that when the movies are shit and the people behind the movie are shit they ALWAYS, ALWAYS jump behind the race of their actors as a shield to protect them from, often well deserved, call outs for their lack of tact and professionalism.

[@xgray2012]

There actually is a good "Fantastic Four" movie....it's called, "The Incredibles" and it's amazing!!!

[@sofakingimmature]

Old video was old but I will comment anyway. The issue with Jordan's casting wasn't that he was black but two other issues: First, that he was hired without an audition. He and Teller would frequently got to parties and events with Trank. The director, in essences, hired his friends. Yes, I will admit that there was some hoopla about Johnny Storm being black, but that didn't really last that long especially when his roles like Chronicle and the fact that he was the lead in the (at the time) upcoming Creed movie were brought up. People then went to speculate about which Black actress would try out for Sue Storm. Then the second issue came into play, which was why were the siblings of different races. Before the announcement, people had been hyped at the idea of an interracial couple. Of a strong black superpowered female in a healthy relationship with a white superpowered man. I mean there was a lot - emphasis on lot - of people actually hyped for that. So when Mara was announced as Sue Storm, a lot of people were confused as to why make Johnny black. This issue everyone had was that if you were going to race-bend, they shouldn't have gone halfway. All the Storms should have been black. The sibling relationship between the two was seen as 'fake' because Johnny's adopted (again fans theory was he was the adopted one). Plus fans got even angrier when it came out that the studio was the one to pick Mara, so many saw the study as being racist for hiring a white girl because they didn't want to portray an interracial relationship on screen. Also, before I get blasted with hate comments, female black F4 fan and I remember trolling the boards looking for new info on this movie. It's pretty sad that people chock the issue to racist fans when the issue is that the studio execs were doing stupid crap instead.

[@Marveryn]

that the way I was remembering it too. Not to mention at the time (and still happening) both in comic and in movie they were gender/race swapping just to please the dirt sheets constantly. Not to mention changing a character sexual preference just cause instead of creating likeable new character. This cause many to grind the teeth whenever it happen. Now saying that. There been good story with actors and characters that been swap but the constant readjusting just don't sit well with the community that enjoy those characters for Decades!. Now comics are down and people moving to manga cause of it and we will see if that also play out in film. With that being said and not having watch this version but having watch trank work in chronicle which I like and seeing some of the review which say the first half was actually good. I am willing to give trank the benefit of the doubt about his decision and I would had like to had a black storm if they were going to gender swap

[@kingblackheart919]

Now you know it’s easier to explain everything with,” muh Racism”

[@Marveryn]

@@kingblackheart919 oh I know there some racism involve but to blanket the entire complain on just that is stupid as it just mean your not paying attention to the actual point. It like saying the reason not watching the ghostbuster movie cause it an all women cast. It had nothing to do with all women. It has to do with the humor was terrible, nothing felt original or memorable as far humor went.

[@kingblackheart919]

Marveryn i agree i was just drawing attention to the fact that some people’s go to is “that’s racist” straight out of the gate with no other options considered

[@azraelbatosi]

Lynell Batemon not only is it just easier, he was looking fir an easy, if cheap, shot on Trump...like everyone

[@erichfiedler1481]

Considering this review came out in 2016, we at least have a proper chance of getting a GOOD Fantastic Four film that feels like a light-hearted MCU project, but without the Skrulls who have already appeared in Captain Marvel, Secret Invasion (less said about the most disappointing MCU entry, the better), and The Marvels, and Namor was the main villain of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (even in the initial draft when Chadwick Bosman was still alive)

[@drxshock6957]

"It's really not all that uncommon for a name in one country to sound far sillier than it actually is in another country's native tongue." yeah that's why there's a guy out there called "Kok Chooi"

[@RealParadoxBlues]

The stack of N64s is presumably based on how people have made a working computer out of stacks of Xboxes. Never mind that Xboxes ARE tiny computers internally whilst the Nintendo 64 is decidedly not. I'm with CinemaSins - if this movie had climaxed with the Fantastic Four and a newly-superpowered test monkey throwing down, we would have forgiven its other problems.

[@jeremyjohnson8844]

Uh, yeah, the n64 IS a computer.

[@RealParadoxBlues]

@@jeremyjohnson8844 There's a difference between "can do computer-like things" and "is literally a reskinned, repurposed Windows comp".

[@jeremyjohnson8844]

Computer like things? It is a computer. It doesn't run windows, but it is a computer. Period.

[@migmit]

I'm with Jeremy Johnson here. It's a specialized computer, but computer nonetheless. And if you have a shitload of those, making a cluster would make sense. Also, XBox is NOT just a "reskinned Windows comp" whatever that means. I did some development fot the XBox back in the day, and I remember it having some very specialized features.

[@JimmyC1994]

I smell a 'making of' movie Disaster Artist 2: The Trankening

[@TevyaSmolka]

You know what's even sadder is that this movie could have been good if the studio didn't fucked everything up

[@tastyloaf5487]

Hollywood execs are the embodiment of evil.

[@CollegeDroputPowerpoints]

Fox: Its too long we cant make it nobody would watch it Zack Snyder: Allow me to introduce myself...

[@henrymockingbird9645]

8:26 Pretty much sums up the critical drinker and geeks and gamers

[@erichfiedler1481]

Don't forget those idiots running Nerdronic or Clownfish TV, or just any dumb conservative run KZbin channel with video thumbnails that are just rage bait, I've seen several of these claiming Kathleen Kennedy was pissed at her portrayal in the South Park Panderverse special, and not a single article or tweet from her said as such, even Disney as a whole know about South Park mocking them because it's satire and acknowledging it will basically give these idiots more fuel in the fire

[@psycher7]

And now we have TWO great Fantastic Four movies: Incredibles and Incredibles 2.

[@MelBrooksFan78]

M. Night Shymalan? Oh dear God, please let him be reviewing "The Happening!"

[@FillmGeekOfDoom]

Everyone and their grandma has reviewed that movie. I'd rather he'd bring more attention to how bad Lady in the Water is, instead. Especially since Doug Walker didn't bring up the arrogance M Night brought to that movie that caused him to burn bridges with Disney at the time.

[@sonicrush44]

Apparently there are die hard Shymalan fans. So much so that they insult anyone who says many of his movie are pieces of garbage. For example, some pretentious clown said that I and anyone who else liked Deadpool is stupid and that the Last Airbender is a work of artistic genius that the simple mined would never understand.

[@victorhernandez8723]

Spoilers: it’s Lady in the Water.

[@Zice033]

Timeline: I should probably get some sleep, it's three in the morning. *gets notification about video* Fuck Sleep, I have to see this NOW.

[@Happymali10]

Side note: Yes, Fucking is a town in Austria. They also need to replace their town-entrance sign every few weeks (at best), and have started using different unusual kinds of screws in an attempt to slow down the theft-rate.

[@marccolten9801]

Why not just put up a stack of peel off plastic signs? People can take one and go.

[@Happymali10]

@@marccolten9801 Because you know someone would grab the whole stack.

[@marccolten9801]

@@Happymali10 Even with a carefully worded. sign asking them politely to take one and leave the rest for others. 😍

[@Happymali10]

@@marccolten9801 The average human would take the sign.

[@Happymali10]

@@marccolten9801 Update, they had the town officially renamed to "Fugging" and changed all the signs accordingly.

[@JustinCoasters]

11:09 They have to be dark cause it worked for Batman

[@dylantennant6594]

9:08 is it just me or is doom playing Assassins creed syndicate

[@billybarnett9518]

foreshadowing for fox's movie

[@xgray2012]

So....casting a Mexican-American actress as Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman, by having wear a blonde wig and blue-eyed contact lenses and nobody says anything. But casting an African-American actor as Johnny Storm/The Human Torch....*to quote Heath Ledger's Joker in "The Dark Knight"*.....*AND EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS!!!!!*

[@nitromagilou597]

Regardless on casting choices, the movies themselves completely suck.

[@gracekim1998]

Um ok😅

[@mysticx0]

did your dumb ass just compare a nationality to a race as if its the same thing??? LMAO!

[@LordSpongy]

I caught the second half of this movie when i went to visit a friend. He's pretty cool, fairly nerdy but also pretty street in his own way. He said "Wow that was pretty good!" when it ended. I blinked slowly and replied... "Uhh.... right." In my friend's defense, he was extremely stoned at the time. But so was i...

[@Stephen-to7jx]

One of the Catwoman in the series was played by Eartha Kitt.

[@eamonndeane587]

And she was an absolute legend in the role.

[@AJeMGaming]

Reed's dad is played by Tim Heidecker. He uses his role as an in universe joke on his movie review show "On Cinema", where his perpetual guest co-host Gregg Turkington also had a role in Ant-Man which leads to some hilarious rivalry. One of the few truly fantastic things from this movie.

[@char124eve]

This is one of the most underrated channels on youtube. Love your stuff!

[@dylankaiser5546]

the saddest thing is that Toby Kebbell who played Dr Doom in this movie also portrayed Koba in the Planet of the Apes reboot, let that sink in.

[@Shintigercurl]

i had an idea for the fantastic four but it's somewhat of a wild idea. it takes place in modern day new york at a high school named "marvel high school", named after it's founder and principal, mr. stan lee marvel. reed is the co-president of marvel high's science club, along side his friend hank pym. he is best friends with marvel high's running back, ben grimm who's line "it's clobberin' time!" is what he said to get the team hyped up for a game. sue is a cheerleader and johnny is a gear head at the school automotive club. they get their powers while on a school trip. reed is monitoring a cosmic storm that will pass very close to earth. so close in fact that the rays get absorbed into storm cloud that the plane the students are travelling in. the plane gets struck by lightning and sue is nearly sucked out of the plane. reed saves her while johnny and ben hold on to them. then lightning strikes again, this time hitting sue, which passes through reed, johnny and ben. they survive but they get super powers. there is more to it but it's just a stupid idea i had.

[@billybarnett9518]

I think the 60's would be a more appropriate setting

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

maxacorn Intriguing, but who's Dr. Doom?

[@sharonspears-mandeville2369]

The Honorable Reverend Addison Bortion I think that Victor Von Doom would probably be that quiet,smug and/or moody AND very nerdy exchange student (that recently-moved into the country and is smilingly attending the same school as Teenaged!Reed Richards and the rest of the apparent younger-versions of the fantastic four themselves,exactly-as follows here..apparently..) whom meets and grows to like Reed as a friend to him,only for Reed to find out he's one one of those rich A-hole kids who would use him for his nerdiness/smarts and/or intelligence for his own personal gain much,much later-leading to Reed and the rest of the fantastic four/gang of his trying to stop him from terrorizing (and taking over) the schoolyard/the city in the process to which they could/would succeed,yet let him run-off and try to get him next time,as it follows apparently..again-so,yeah.. Eh..?!

[@crazydude476813]

Thank god I'm up at 4 am to watch this haha, great job again!

[@nathanaelreyes5854]

♔The_HolyCookie♔ Hey me too!

[@adammason4314]

And a somewhat delayed third.

[@jehaney]

What pissed me off most about this movie was that there were some moments where they almost accidentally stumbled onto some interesting character development. The conversation between Reed and Ben after Reed is recaptured where he apologizes for leaving, and a scene between Johnny and Sue where they briefly debate whether they should be using their powers to work for the military planted seeds for some interesting ideas and could have made for something worth watching if it were in a better movie.

[@sworntoavenge]

I agree with your doom opinion at the end, I think Dr Doom would work better as a Avengers villain. but that's probably just wishful thinking.

[@billybarnett9518]

Or if not in the MCU, he would work better as a final film villain or even an X Men crossover, which we totally won't get now,

[@sworntoavenge]

Billy Barnett agreed. what do you mean by final film? just curious.

[@billybarnett9518]

Nathan B.​​ Like the final film of the franchise. Like for example, first Mole Man, then Annihilus and Blastaar, and then Doctor Doom. Also they should be like the MCU films in tone and set in the 60's.

[@billybarnett9518]

They also have the rights to Kang The Conquer I just read, he would be good for an X Men and Fantastic 4 crossover too.

[@ShelltoonTV1]

MIchael B. Jordan deserved better than this.

[@thecinematicmind]

ShelltoonTV1 Thankfully Creed came.

[@babyrodent]

Thank goodness MCU saved him by casting him in the upcoming Black Panther movie.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

evawms123 He be goin places, son. Don't need no fant4stic bullshit.

[@ShelltoonTV1]

Yes, I'm glad to see that Michael B. Jordan is still getting respectable roles. This is one that I'm sure everybody has agreed to pretend never happened.

[@shawklan27]

ShelltoonTV1 so true

[@babakht]

I really enjoy Cinematic Excrement Episodes I wish he could make them more frequently, also the part in the beginning of each video in which he gives information about the history that movie and whatnot is very helpful,

[@tastyloaf5487]

I love Sean, too, but I wish he wouldn't insult members of his audience just for voting for someone he didn't like. It's just not cool.

[@gracekim1998]

@@tastyloaf5487 and stop nitpicking

[@TheStewieOne]

I even heard that that when Josh wasn't on set. The cast or crew had to direct parts of this film. I love production problems films.

[@xgray2012]

This is why the 2005 version of the Fantastic Four is a far more superior representation of the franchise than this pile of shit.

[@DarthJoshReturns]

It sucks to be Josh Trank. He pulled an M. Night Shyamalan, but instead of making a "Lady in the Water" and "The Happening," he jumped straight to his "Last Airbender."

[@BeresVonSaladir]

A CE Episode on my birthday?....best gift EVER. Thanks Sean.

[@victorhernandez8723]

Happy birthday to you and happy All Saints Day!

[@GuardianGrarl]

2:37 Probably pointing out the obvious here but Dr. Doom's look of The Spectre, Man in the Iron Mask & Phantom of the Opera is amazing and... actually done surprisingly well in that movie.

[@scottyb3391]

8:25 greatest performance of all time. Give this man an oscar!

[@DorianCairne]

Most solid and comprehensive ripping into the mess that is this film that I've seen thus far. And I've seen lots. Nice one.

[@EYTPS]

Dan Castellaneta is the teacher

[@victorhernandez8723]

EYTPS Really?

[@tastyloaf5487]

*D'oh!*

[@arvinroidoatienza7082]

Ah I remember watching this movie, it was science, then darkness, then forced climax and then me saying "thats it?" Like it's some TV series failed pilot that was leaked by accident.

[@FabricFool]

I predict that, after all is said and done, that Roger Corman's Fantastic Four will stand as the best ever version of this comic. History so far has borne this out; and I predict the trend will continue. For what he can do with a tenth of the usual Hollywood budget, Roger Corman is God. Sometimes.

[@DaneFalco]

Michael Clarke Duncan as The Kingpin in DareDevil was one of the better parts of that Meh movie. Before Vincent in the series... MCD was the Kingpin in my head.

[@gSlover4reel]

Fant four stick was an abysmal mess.

[@johnbot320]

finally somebody WHO warns us before swearing

[@jerrymouse6272]

7:07, I'm surprised that Sean himself didn't even point out that that was Homer Simpson's voice actor.

[@RiNicku1ous]

jerrymouse 62 I didn't know that! Now the being in the Simpsons (current) is sounding like being in Star Wars episodes 4-7

[@gringogonzo143]

love this channel, man. keep up the good work.

[@luv4hutch]

20th Century Fox Department Of Bad Ideas-In Business since Alien 3!

[@LARKXHIN]

I've been waiting on this all month dude. Great job! I saw this on opening day (yeah) and had far more fun watching the audience's confusion and disbelief than the movie itself. Sad thing is, I would have totally watched the original script, even if it took two and a half hours. Or, they could have made a movie about Johnny and Doom sniping at each other for an hour, I like both actors, I'd totally be down for that.

[@TheHulkfan]

Smeg, please, don't try to use the whole racism thing. Nick Fury worked both because Samuel is a great actor and because Nick was black in the Ultimate version. People complaining about changing characters skin/race in a movie can be heard from both side so I really don't give it much credit. Ps: Please don't take this comment to start a political debate.

[@Derah_OG]

Those who complain about the changing of a character's race ARE doing it out of racism. A character can be played by an actor of a different race successfully if they do it right. Take the shitty Daredevil movie for example. Total PoS, but the actor they chose for the Kingpin was a badass motherfucker. Changing a character in an ADAPTATION from black to white, or white to black isn't automatically the end of the world. But some people act like it is. Plus there's the hypocrisy in freaking out over a black man playing Johnny Storm in Fant4stic, but when a mexican woman in a wig played Susan Storm in the previous 2 movies, nobody gave two shits about it.

[@JayDee284]

Jessica Alba is only half mexican

[@asheer9114]

Excuse me?.. first time i heard that Jessica Alba (aka Susan Storm) is a Mexican (born Pomona, California, UNITED STATES - unless you consider California as a part of Mexico) woman and that she used wig in FF movies... o_O So for the future reference, before you try to play with race card in the discussion maybe do a fact check FIRST.

[@TheHulkfan]

Yeah, that too.

[@victorhernandez8723]

NO MORE POLITICAL COMMENTS!!!!

[@leastlikedcritic7529]

At least the first two Fantastic Four films the actors had chemistry, but not in this one.

[@janeyrevanescence12]

"And why is it so dark in this film?" Maybe the lighting director got the memo that this film should be dark and took it a bit too literally?

[@GuineaPigDan]

An actual comment I overheard walking out of Fan4stic. "Did you like that five minute fight? It was an hour and a half of backstory." Glad I wasn't the only one who found the film underwhelming when I saw it. Midnight's Edge's whole series about the behind the scenes drama was more interesting to watch.

[@tastyloaf5487]

Thanks for the recommend!

[@davidspring4003]

ok, I wasn't upset that they made a member of the FF black. I just wondered why made JUST Johnny black and not Johnny AND Susan. Or just Reed. Or just Ben. or even just make everyone black, I wouldn't have minded that.

[@Horvath_Gabor]

It was cold, calculated pandering, but god forbid you dare to point it out. If you do, and question what kind of narrative role changing a characters' skin color/gender serves, you are automatically lumped in with the crazies and dismissed on the spot as a racist/misogynist/etc.

[@billybarnett9518]

Terry Crews wanted to play Ben, even though he's black, I think he could have done a good job.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

Gábor Horváth And that shit is why I HATE tumblr.

[@theunbearablejuan]

This is my issue. If they turned him Mexican, I'd just be like "So as a Mexican, I should like this?".

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

HAHAHAH! Sorry, I just got the image of him with those kids and suddenly the movie got a lot funnier.

[@ApocryphalDude]

A while back some students made a powerful computer using a tennis court sized layout of handheld calculator processors, so the assembly of Nintendo 64s wasn’t strange for me.

[@JayRedGear]

Cinemasins sings: "Turn on the music, to find Reed's pattern. She's gonna find Reed, by listening to music."

[@roberttreacy8271]

4:04 Another sign of reshoots was that Miles Teller had facial hair that disappeared in between shots.

[@RiNicku1ous]

May i suggest for a future episode? Max Steel. That is baaaaaaad.

[@RiNicku1ous]

0% percent!!!!!

[@TheFLAMEXD]

ReNikulous Filmz Is the TV show better?

[@RiNicku1ous]

Thunder Goku yeah it's better then the garbage movie

[@jerrymouse6272]

He probably won't review the movie until it comes out on dvd.

[@RiNicku1ous]

jerrymouse 62 I said for a future episode, not the next one Plus he will need therapy after watching it and after the therapy after watching Shyamalan movies. It can be episode 100 for all I care

[@raymondleggs5508]

I liked the first half and the hallway head explode scene. Originally the hallway sequence was part of a 15 minute action scene shot in multiple single takes similar to oldboy. also the first half also had scenes removed that gave a real sense of time and developed victor a bit more. A whole segment taking place in winter was excised.

[@finnkedinn]

Ok, I had to stop the video to laugh when you talked about Fucking, Austria

[@rogueprince1341]

Ive always thought that the best actor to tell the story should get the job regardless of race,sex or any other factor. Just let the best actor have the job.

[@bladersmosh]

Hi, great conclusion to the Fantastic Four reviews. I totally agree with your thoughts and the studio should really take advice from you. I'm looking forward to your M Night Shamyalan review. After that review may I recommend some other suggestions? 1. Green Lantern 2. The Golden Compass 3. The Lone Ranger 4. Mortal Kombat: Annihilation 5. Batman V Superman 6. The Wild (Disney's worst film) 7. Inkheart 8. Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events 9. Gods of Egypt 10. Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008 film) 11. A Christmas Story 2 12. The Santa Clause 3 13. Movie 43 (the worst film I've seen) 14. TMNT 3 15. Mars Needs Moms What do you think? Comment below if you agree with any Sean.

[@docwho2828]

PLEASE: NOT INKHEART!!!😢

[@Oonagh72]

Fantastic Four is perfect for a cartoon. One of those computer animated ones like Toy Story. The powers can be shown at their best. You don’t have to build any realism into the world and they can emote to their heart’s content.

[@Soydrinker999]

yet if storm was black in the comics and they cast a white actor there would be an absolute shitstorm of epic proportions

[@goldyd144]

ricard modo Here's the difference - there's history behind it. Hell, white actirs are being cast as black heros (like a man who died saving people during 9/11) even today. Is it so hard to cast a POC? No. Plus, there's hardly enough superheroes who are POC as it is. In contrast, there are literally *thousands* of whte ones. Casting a black guy as Nick Fury isn't going to hurt anyone. Casting a white guy as Black Panther, a superhero whose *entire identity revovles around his blackness*, is a slap in the face to the creator of the original comics and black people.

[@RiNicku1ous]

Daezy Gilder it's like making Dr. Strange not a doctor, or making Captain America British, or making Spider-Man into a six year old. There are somethings you don't change.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Also, I love how everyone pointed out that Richards would be the most popular kid in school because of all those N64s. Nice work 'writers'.

[@alditoification]

Go watch Doctor Strange, so you can forget about this horrible movie that even Marvel wants to get away from it.

[@jacm4150]

no, that's whitewashed garbage.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

I've heard some pretty good reviews about the movie, and the quality of the movie was by no means dampened by it's "whitewashing" of ONE character.

[@RiNicku1ous]

Wajj it not really whitewashing if it's just one character, if that were true, then this movie is blackwashing Is that a thing? I'm gonna make it a thing.