Cinematic Excrement: Episode 78 - Batman & Robin

[@hadleyberman7433]

I don't blame Schumacher. He really wanted the movies to be as dark as the Burton ones, but apparently Warner Bros was the one that forced him to make the movie so goofy and cheesy. I honestly think Batman Triumphant could have been a major improvement.

[@TheFLAMEXD]

In regards to Batman: The Animated Series having heavy shit for a kids show, that was the intention. Bruce Timm wanted the show to look and feel like a proper adaptation of the comics and not a typical 'Saturday Morning Cartoon'.

[@KidSnivy69]

I think he knows that

[@TheFLAMEXD]

+KidSnivy69 oh. My bad.

[@gunmunz]

+Thunder Goku I think the point was what the movie was more cartoonish than the actual cartoon

[@ElOchentero]

+Thunder Goku and it inspire a trend, that's why we also get Fox's X-Men and Disney's Gargoyles

[@allengreene9954]

Thunder Goku Plus the series took a lot from the first two films of the Batman series.

[@Super165i]

The reason why parental group where upset at Batman Returns (1992) is because Warner Brothers hired McDonald’s to put Batman toys in Happy Meals. In other words, parents thought it was for kids

[@jennifermoriarty2188]

It is

[@LondonS-gf3kg]

No it isn't it PG-13

[@HenryvKeiper]

I've heard if you confront George Clooney about this movie, he'll get an embarrassed look and say, "Look, I got paid."

[@nathanforester5993]

+HenryvKeiper And also he's said that he'll ALWAYS apologize for being in it as well.

[@dylankaiser5546]

that's what he said when i asked him if he was really in Return of the Killer Tomatoes... jk i never met him but i heard he's a nice guy

[@sydneyslaughter7163]

HenryvKeiper and we cannot hate him for that. Dat’s da business.

[@morganyoung3557]

I think that everyone who worked on Batman and Robin ended up feeling some form of remorse for doing it because of how bad it ended up being. I have some respect for Joel for owning up to the fact that the movie sucked and apologizing for it.

[@origamipein18]

That's understandable. 😐

[@TheArceusftw]

14:11 So they turned Bane into a Shiny Machoke?

[@CainNuke]

RIP Schumacher. Only a few people could understand your work...

[@MissBarker93]

Fun fact: this was the last Batman movie that Bob Kane saw before his death. Let that sink in.

[@StormCrownSr]

I f only he could have lived about 8 more years... Poor bugger...

[@rvl480van5]

Too bad Bob didn't live to see "The Dark Knight". He would have died a much happier man!

[@roberttreacy8271]

srbarkerchan Maybe that is what killed him because he died the following year.

[@xgray2012]

*shivers!!!!* That's sad.

[@roberttreacy8271]

srbarkerchan I think I just heard him roll in his grave.

[@roberttreacy8271]

The subplot of Alfred dying deserved a much better movie.

[@Isaac-gh5ku]

I agreed. I love Alfred, but he had to die, it is important for the Bat family character developments.

[@gageperuti5519]

No mention of the bat credit card. Then again, the Nostalgia Critic's freakout on that is so famous that he probably decided it wasn't worth trying to top.

[@gracekim1998]

No that was…an annoying running gag 😅 also there isn’t an actual issue with it

[@thefantasticretroreviewer3941]

I love that running Gag by the Nostalgia Critic, he remembers it so we don't have to

[@mariic2]

8:21 Actually, according to the Divine Comedy, the bottom most layer of Hell is frozen, so that makes sense. But to be fair, not a lot of people knew about it.

[@Nocturnalux]

And Buddhist conceptions of hell have entire divisions of frozen infernos.

[@sashab687]

Not to mention, in Viking/Norse beliefs hell is actually freezing cold, as opposed to the traditional firey hell of Christian beliefs.

[@gageperuti5519]

Yeah, cause I'm sure that's EXACTLY what Akiva Goldsman was thinking when he wrote that stupid line.

[@nazonougami1818]

I was about to bring up Cocytus, but you beat me to it.

[@realunhingedraccoon]

I mean....yeah, he does have a doctorate, so he defiantly would've read the Divine Comedy. There's logic in this movie? Why is there logic in this movie?

[@johnschou2172]

In Freeze’s defense of the “Freeze in Hell” line, in Dante’s Divine Comedy, the final level of Hell is described as an ice field with people frozen in it. It also depicts Satan as having three heads (or at least three jaws) eternally chewing Brutus, Judas Iscariot, and I think Nero. So in a way, Freeze is accurate to at least something.

[@JamesMC04]

Judas (Traitor against God) Brutus (Traitor against the Empire) Cassius (Traitor against the Empire) - see Inferno, Canto 34, for details. Nero, if Dante were to put him in the Inferno, would probably in the 1st round of the 9th Circle, as a Traitor against his relatives - that is, in the lowest section of Hell to which his crimes condemned him. Dante did not live to see the re-discovery of the writings of Tacitus.

[@johnschou2172]

@@JamesMC04 thank you for your correction. In my defense, it had been at least 5 years since I read Dante, so I forgot some things.

[@JamesMC04]

@@johnschou2172 Thank you for your very gracious reply.

[@johnschou2172]

@@JamesMC04 no problem, thank you for your respectful correction.

[@sabrinaloizides-merideth9874]

The movie "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm" came out the same year as this one and it remains my favorite big-screen Batman film.

[@mnightshade107]

Correction I think it was Batman: Sub Zero in which that version was a better depiction of Mr Freeze. But Mask of the Phantasm was far better

[@HandsomeSteveJacobson]

Mask of the phantasm came out in 1993 to be exact

[@thefantasticretroreviewer3941]

😮😮😮No dang way

[@fredjones2170]

“Millions of people would die and you consider that ‘acceptable losses? Have you considered a career in politics?” I’m not sure whether this joke didn’t age well, or aged way TOO well...

[@allengreene9954]

Aged too well😢😢😢😢

[@sci-fisithdan2315]

I say to well since AOC and the squad were elected. Amazing how sometimes live copies cartoon fiction.

[@fredjones2170]

@@sci-fisithdan2315 Bruh what are you smoking

[@sci-fisithdan2315]

@@fredjones2170 OH YEAH, I SMOKED A LOT OF WEED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. Just saying that sometimes live copies Cartoon life when Poison Evy said that statement.

[@fredjones2170]

@@sci-fisithdan2315 Oookay. You do you, my dude.

[@sethlangston181]

Bane is actually Shrek dressed as a luchador

[@Chuked]

Lmao

[@Chuked]

As a kid, I feared that my dad would turn into FUCKING BANE

[@devekut2]

ummm...I am Bane.

[@brevonsflicksgames7450]

SHREK WITHOUT A BRAIN

[@dragonmaster613]

I heard the actor was told beforehand that he was supposed to play Solomon Grundy.

[@fje6902]

Michael Gough was also "The Toymaker" in the early Dr. Who years.

[@SiRenfield]

This and Linkara’s review of the comic adaptation of the movie are probably my favorite reviews of this movie

[@roddmatsui3554]

Actually, building special effects props, and costume pieces for this film, is a very wonderful memory! It was hard work, but it did pay, and yeah, it was a lot of fun! I even like many things about this film - even though there are several glaring things I feel were bad story choices. Stupid “surprising twists” that weren’t really, and such. But it’s reasonably watchable, and I have a few reasons to smile.

[@grapeshot]

Remember seeing this at the movies theater when it first came out. And a couple of Arnold's puns did draw laughter. I especially remember the one at the end when he said take two of these and call me in the morning. The movie theater I was in, which was packed, everybody started laughing.

[@roberttreacy8271]

12:13 And how is that woman able to survive in the frozen lair while wearing a skimpy outfit?

[@roberttreacy8271]

14:12 IMO, Bane in this film was like a brainless Scooby Doo villain.

[@johnnyzero8853]

Robert Treacy Yes! That's true!

[@frankm.2850]

Robin’s behavior would make a lot more sense if he was late elementary age, not in his thirties. He was a kid when he was Robin. By the time he was the age he’s portrayed as in this movie, he was already off doing his own thing as Nightwing.

[@jasonnewell7036]

Ah, Batman and Robin. The first movie I ever walked out of.

[@LinkMarioSamus]

My top 10 movies I want the Smeghead to review: 10) Rollerball (the 2002 remake) 9) Volcano 8) Son of the Mask 7) The Room 6) The Avengers (the Sean Connery movie) 5) Howard the Duck 4) Speed 2: Cruise Control 3) Time Chasers 2) Robocop 3 1) Anaconda

[@MissBarker93]

You got your wish for one of them.

[@LinkMarioSamus]

+srbarkerchan Yes I did.

[@KidSnivy69]

I get the feeling most of these will get their days in court.

[@allengreene9954]

LinkMarioSamus As dumb as Volcano and Anaconda was??? They are enjoyable to watch.

[@jswatch9270]

I wanna see him rant son of the mask

[@callumsparrow4379]

What confuses me even more about the soccer-mom complains with ‘Batman Returns’ was that it was initially age rated as PG-13, so it really wasn’t a children’s film to begin with since it was targeted towards teenagers. On a second thought, this is also the world where parents complain about kids playing violent games like Mortal Kombat, G.T.A and C.O.D despite those responsible at hand buying it for their own kids never noticing the Age Ratings on the front covers, so I guess oblivious parents are just willing to blame pretty much anything/ anyone else but themselves for their own mistakes and misjudgment. Guess the saying is true; time and technology change, but some people don’t.

[@gracekim1998]

Correction: it wasn’t aimed at children PERIOD. That rating means only 13 and UP can view it

[@rodmoore1577]

@@gracekim1998 isn't that what he said?

[@talkshow69]

Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman still gets my soldier at attention,if you know what I mean.

[@jesusrox4u]

Same here.

[@KidSnivy69]

Here here

[@jesusrox4u]

KidSnivy69 What?

[@KidSnivy69]

The Media Monitor I meant to put Hear Hear And this is what it means dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hear-hear

[@jesusrox4u]

KidSnivy69 Oh.

[@Emanon...]

Never seen this movie, but I vividly remember the toy commercials from when I was a kid.

[@jaypeve]

I always thought this one was like the 1960’s Batman but more new for our time, it was colorful, they just needed the comic book noise words to pop up when they fight, POW! Pop! Crunch! Snap! Crackle!

[@TrueBuddhaCat]

At least when listening to the film's commentary, all of the cast pretty much said it was so bad and speaking of Batman The Animated Series, another Batman movie starring Mr. Freeze was released on home video "Batman and Mr. Freeze: SubZero" and critics EVERYWHERE basically said, "screw this live action crap, go rent the animated movie instead it is FAR better" and they were correct, far more mature and stylish than this mess(also, I salute you for not making a reference to the Bat Credit Card)

[@bradwolf07]

Batman the Animated Series was amazing. The fact that this movie ripped off (rather poorly) one of the best episodes of the Animated series should be considered a crime. Anyway, this movie is not the worst movie ever made, and neither is it the worst Superhero movie ever made. But is just full of disappointment for me. On an unrelated note, I didn't remember that Lionel Luther was the mad scientist. Seriously, the actor who portrayed the mad scientist also portrayed Lionel Luther on Smallville. Man that guy gets around DC.

[@mauricedavis8261]

If this is not the worst superhero movie, especially batman, what is...a Turkish knockoff!!!🤔

[@gracekim1998]

Um what do you mean ripoff? They were adapting Batman. What do you expect? Brad you’re stupid 🤦‍♀️

[@bradwolf07]

@@gracekim1998 Oh Grace, way to show me you're ignorant without telling me you're ignorant

[@eakintunde84]

As bad as this movie is, I still enjoy watching it in a so bad it's good kind of way. It's a fun, beautiful train wreck as opposed to the dark dreary crap we've getting from DC Warner brothers lately.

[@alfrankensteinfeldman]

+Manny Akintunde Agreed. Still better than Batman v. Superman. (That's right. I said it. Fight me, bro.)

[@ElOchentero]

+Manny Akintunde Oh, but no one complains about dark when Tim Burton is on it

[@alfrankensteinfeldman]

Luppercus Because he did it RIGHT.

[@ElOchentero]

William Glover Nolan did a pretty good job too.

[@eakintunde84]

Luppercus Actually, I like the dark mood in the Burton Batman films. It fit Batman's character well. What I don't like is Warner Bros. trying to give all their DC characters the "Dark Knight" treatment while not doing it nearly as well as Nolan did it.

[@PapaTaurean]

I think the biggest problem with this movie is Batman the Animated Series was still on TV around this time and Arnold's portrayal was WAY different the the Mr. Freeze from the Animated Series. I think that was everyone's biggest problem.

[@zakkizer2490]

Sad thing is, Mr Freeze was originally gonna be played by Patrick Stewart, might've made this more entertaining

[@Danthepest1]

+Zak Kizer Nah, Arnold was the only entertaining thing about this movie

[@roberttreacy8271]

Zak Kizer He would've been so much better.

[@theunwelcome]

while I'd agree in principle that Captain Picard doing bad ice puns would have been better than the T-800 doing bad ice puns, that change alone would have done little to improve this wreck of a movie...

[@naokisan07]

That was a rumour recently debunked by Schumacher.

[@gageperuti5519]

That would've been AWESOME!

[@FullDemiurge]

Max Alfredroom. I wonder how many caught that one.

[@rbfloat]

Believe it or not, I wrote a paper about this film for my film class and got on an A+ on it. My major issue with the film was how it handled both Doctor Freeze and Poison Ivy. They’re two of my favorite Batman villains and this movie didn’t do them justice.

[@STNeish]

Actually, I thought Tommy Lee Jones could have been GREAT as Two Face... if the character had been done properly. Two Face is a tragic character, but Jones was stuck trying to play him as a giggling loon, trying to keep up with Carey. I also thought Clooney COULD have been great, but he was stuck with a grotesque, ludicrous film.

[@roberttreacy8271]

Yeah, TLJ would’ve been a great as a serious Two Face. Heck, in Batman Forever, when he’s not devouring the scenery, he sounded just like Two Face from Batman: The Animated Series.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

I like Clooney as Bruce Wayne. The script doesn't give him much, but he has the charm down. And obviously his Batman is horrible.

[@roberttreacy8271]

1:08 What about Supergirl (1984)?

[@victorhernandez8723]

Robert Treacy That’s a good suggestion!

[@gageperuti5519]

Hey, he has SOME standards!

[@MelBrooksFan78]

As soon as I saw the title, you had made my day :)

[@sleepingunicornsss9810]

me too

[@KidSnivy69]

+MelBrooksFan78 Same

[@nathanforester5993]

Clooney himself pretty much hates it, he's talked about it countless times.

[@8ulls3y3]

Actually, in Dante's Inferno the deepest part of Hell is ice cold, so 'freeze in hell Batman' makes total sense. You should remove one sin. ...wait a minute

[@Syntania]

This movie was so cursed it even doomed the roller coaster based on it.

[@jamesatkinsonja]

While this film is over 25 years old now, it's still hard to see anyone making a 'lighter' Batman film after this.

[@roberttreacy8271]

What about The Lego Batman Movie?

[@brettbaglio1550]

There’s an R-rated Ultimate Edition of BvS. It adds 31 minutes of extra footage.

[@daelen.cclark]

Was it ever good?

[@geckovonparsley8200]

Pretty sure the "you just called me Ivy" scene was supposed to show that he did so without realizing it. we don't hear it because we're in his head. Not saying it did a good job of it, but that's probably the intent.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Not sure Bane count as a villain in this movie. He's more like Bob the henchmen from Batman

[@bemoore4]

Have YOU looked around at Alfred's life? It IS one of servitude. He's sick (and damn near dying in this movie) and Bruce still has him serving the household hand over foot. Bruce talks to him like he's family, but hes' just the help.

[@gracekim1998]

Um….

[@birdee9119]

My hat is off to you, sir. That was a damn fine Arny impersonation!

[@davebooshty299]

14:40 He Changed Isley into Poison Ivy , Ala Just like How in a way of saying Max Shrek Turned Turned Michelle Phieffer into Catwoman In Part 2?

[@SiRenfield]

At least that was part of the comics, the Mac Schrek thing from Returns was purely a film original

[@tomhur1]

Next time it's Jem....Oh I've been waiting for this one for a while....

[@Foustdoodles98]

U and me both!!

[@AmishParadise27]

Bat credit card.

[@victorhernandez8723]

Words fail me.

[@xgray2012]

Linkara had broken that joke, last year.

[@xgray2012]

@c0mf0rta61ynum6: "Batman is rich!"

[@MrGlenbw]

24:48 - A picture of Josh Trank would have made much more sense but Zack Snyder comes pretty close though.

[@juhaniaho6698]

Glen Wang How did Zack Snyder attack his critics?

[@1997residente]

@@juhaniaho6698 He called critics and fans a bunch of baby crying boys that complained about Man of steel having too much action but also complained about BvS having too much dialogue. He also said the panned climax of BvS with Doomsday should be praised like the death star destruction in star wars.

[@juhaniaho6698]

@@1997residente k

[@victorhernandez8723]

Why not Uwe Boll?

[@paulieluppino1856]

In defense of Mr. Schumacher I've got to say that, at the very least he was profesional enough to come out and make a public apology for the movie to the fans.... imagine that in 2022, a director apologizing for a mistake that came out of good will instead of pinpointing collectives or other movies for their failure..... That would be nuts!! (God knows I'm not Schumacher biggest fan, and apart from "Falling Down" I've never like his movies, but at least I have to respect a director that's willing to admit he was wrong)

[@Bojack1135]

Fun Fact: Another nickname for diamonds used in the 90's was "Ice". So Mr. Freeze was literally powered by Ice.... It was another pun...

[@SJ_RANKS]

How I would fix batman and robin 1. Remove the bat nipples 2. Get rid of the campy tone 3. Remove poison ivy and bane and just have mr freeze has the villian and get someone else to play him 4. Give Bruce Wayne and victor fries a relationship with Nora fries alive 5. Have something go down at Wayne enterprises batman and robin arrives to save everyone but doesn't quite manage save victor and Nora who both are caught in a liquid nitrogen accident Nora dies but victor survives he blames batman for his wife's death goes after robin and freezes him and holds him prisoner threatens to kill robin batman and freeze have an epic battle batman punches freeze until he's in near death robin intervened batman realizes what he almost did he takes off his cowl and reveals to identity to freeze fries realizes he almost killed his long time friend freeze takes one batman denation devices and kills himself and says "I'm sorry Bruce and Nora" but that's just my idea how would you guys fix batman and robin

[@jeremyusreevu237]

"2. Get rid of the campy tone" No. Absolutely not.

[@SJ_RANKS]

@@jeremyusreevu237 ok fair enough

[@gracekim1998]

@@jeremyusreevu237 YES! Do it!

[@gracekim1998]

@@SJ_RANKS don’t listen to this idiot 🤦‍♀️

[@HotDrinks]

Underworld Moaner is a great song. Had it on vinyl and it had batman sticker in the middle. They play it during the bike race scene.

[@shawnbell3468]

15:15 her hair looks like the eyes of a snail that has been affected by a parasite that makes their eyes pluse and look like caterpillars so they can spread through bird poop. I'd like to think that Uma knew what she was doing and went that route as it adds to her "I'm poison" look all life does, and yes it's an animal but she might have though it was that zombie fungus that attcaks ants.

[@phoenixshadow6633]

Freeze in Hell is a reference to Dante's Inferno where the lowest level is where Satan stays and is frozen over. I would call it a good reference but this is B&R we're talking about.

[@Shades14]

I've been waiting for this review to happen for a long time.

[@diggerfan9319]

I am a long time Batman fan, and this movie made me feel dirty. I don't like the new Batman vs. Superman, but that film had some dignity compared to this.

[@patrickshields5251]

+Travis De La Fuente good god, batman and robin gives me diarrhea

[@xgray2012]

Travis De La Fuente Tell me about it. Hell, say what you will about Damian Wayne as Robin. But at least he's not as whiny as this version of the character.

[@gageperuti5519]

No, it's the other way around. Batman and Robin is at least hilarious in how bad it is. Batman vs Superman hurt me.

[@Nx57ytre]

8:17 In fact, according to the Divine Comedy, the last circle of hell is frozen. So Arnold was trying to be clever?

[@johnnyzero8853]

The ninth circle - Treachery

[@morganyoung3557]

I am going to be honest here, this movie along with Batman Forever made me hate Robin until the 2003 Teen Titans animated series. I think the main problem was having an obviously adult man in the role and still writing him as if he was a rebellious teenage boy. I would be way more lenient with the attitude Robin in these movies had if he was between the ages 13 to 16 years old because that is already a tough time in your life and he was there when his parents died, but it looked like this Robin was in either his mid or late twenties. As someone who also loved what Batman the Animated Series did to Mr Freeze and hold him up as one of the perfect examples of a sympathetic villain, I was not fond of what they did to him. They wanted him to be a goofy dude who spewed bad puns about ice, but were also using the storyline that made him so popular with more modern audiences which didn’t work because to me Mr Freeze is usually meant to be more solemn and serious. The only time I saw adding some humor for Mr Freeze worked was in the recent Harley Quinn series and that was mostly because he was socially awkward and he retained his serious nature when it came to his work because he only cared about saving his wife. Even when I was younger and more lenient towards movies than I am now, I knew that Batman and Robin sucked.

[@shantbe]

Good Point! Why is Robin a grown-ass man, mooching off of Batman? I bet he doesn't even pay him rent.

[@garrickschultz1506]

A BAT CREDIT CARD?!?!?!?!

[@ph89787]

+Garrick Schultz THEY GAVE HIM A BAT CREDIT CARD!!

[@gageperuti5519]

@@ph89787 NO! NO! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

[@giuseppeianniello1998]

B&R got 11 Razzie Award nominations and ultimately went home with only one dishonor: Worst Supporting Actress for Alicia Silverstone The other dishonors were: • Worst Picture Lost against The Postman • Worst Director for Joel Schumacher Lost against Kevin Costner for The Postman • Worst Supporting Actor X2 for Arnold Schwarzenegger and Chris O’Donnell Both lost against Dennis Rodman for Double Team • Worst Supporting Actress for Uma Thurman Lost against the aforementioned Silverstone performance • Worst Screen Couple for George Clooney and Chris O’Donnell Both lost against Dennis Rodman and Jean-Claude Van Damme for Double Team • Worst Remake or Sequel Lost against Speed 2: Cruise Control • Worst Screenplay for Akiva Goldsman Lost against Eric Roth and Brian Helgeland for The Postman • Worst Original Song for The Smashing Pumpkins (The End Is the Beginning Is the End) Lost against the entire song selection from The Postman • Worst Reckless Disregard for Human Life and Public Property Lost against Con Air

[@OratoryJamesIV]

Gotta love that there is apparently one generation gap from Michael Gough to Alicia Silverstone...

[@roberttreacy8271]

15:21 That wig looks like something Lady Gaga would wear.

[@bandotaku]

"Totally outragous" ....You're doing Jem and the Holograms aren't you? Sweet!!

[@LaDracul]

I tried to watch this last year, but I couldn't get through it.

[@oliverhayhoe]

You are one of the only KZbin channels that recognise the butchering of Bane. You see, Bane was my favourite Batman villain after reading the comic book, Knightfall. Then, the Animated Series was a great adaptation. But I wanted to see him in live action. So, I saw this when I was 11, and DAMN was I disappointed. Then The Dark Knight Rises happened and now I'm back on the Bane hype train.

[@jw8395]

Okay, first off, Schumacher is not entirely to blame for this film. He didn't write the story or the script, for one, and there was a lot of corporate meddling involved. Schumacher wanted to return to the darker tone of the first two films, but Warner Bros. was afraid that such an act would cause the film to flop at the box office, and since "Batman Forever" was such a big hit, they told him to stick to the formula he'd already used, and perhaps go a bit further. He reluctantly went along with it, on the promise that the next film, "Batman Triumphant", would be a dark and gritty film. The casting is average: Arnie was an odd choice, but George Clooney could have been a good Batman with the write script and design--his voice did kind of remind me of Kevin Conroy and I can easily see Clooney play the Bruce Wayne character. What we got was a guilty pleasure at best: Arnold is just having a ball, and he's so fun to watch, even though his dialogue is stupid. It's a bad movie, but it is enjoyably bad. I can laugh at the silliness here. I get no such feeling from the Batman v. Superman movie. It is a wholly terrible film. On top of bad acting, awkward casting choices, an all-over-the-place story, and uninteresting characters, it's straight-up BORING. Nothing about it was compelling or memorable at all. It was just shit.

[@patrickshields5251]

+Cheapsunglasses i thought he mentioned that in the review. or he probably knew that in real life but forgot to put that fact in by mistake

[@jw8395]

Patrick Shields He made note that Schumacher apologized for the movie at the end of the video, which Schumacher did, but even Doug Walker (who hated the movie) noted that an apology wasn't really owed, at least not by Schumacher, since the movie's problems were not entirely, or even primarily, his fault.

[@patrickshields5251]

Cheapsunglasses the reason why i liked smeghead videos better than doug walker's was because, imo, he's much better at handling differing opinions unlike doug but that's just me, and yes i know it's only a comedy show. and i too hated the movie but i know why it was made the way it was.

[@patrickshields5251]

Cheapsunglasses okay, i went to your google plus and i'll be honest, i have the same problems with confused matthew as i have with doug walker, matthew to me, is a fucking psychopath, who has a seroius problems with differing opinions, but again it's just me.

[@patrickshields5251]

Cheapsunglasses and don't even say that i was butthurt when i saw these reviews, they just do not work for me.

[@michaeljoyce6766]

They complained that Batman & Batman Returns were too dark and violent. Uhhh question, do they not understand the Batman character at all?

[@victorhernandez8723]

I just realized you played U2's "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" at a low volume for the clips for Batman Forever. That song is extremely underrated!

[@petehill7280]

To be honest, Schumacher originally wanted to make some darker Batman films, inspired by Batman: Year One, and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, but studio interference partially resulted in the more lighthearted tone of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.

[@patrickshields5251]

+Pete Hill i tried to get this through my brothers head but he still blames schumacher for these movies

[@petehill7280]

Interesting...

[@patrickshields5251]

Pete Hill dude, you should report the hostile burton/nolan debates on youtube and imdb boards. these people are fucking going at each other

[@petehill7280]

I didn't know that those were a thing. Sorry.

[@patrickshields5251]

Pete Hill well, so were dc and marvel debates and i saw that comment on google plus.

[@jswatch9270]

Excuse me, it's not Joel Schumacher that wanted the movie of batman & robin like this it's W.B. that wanted like this

[@lynngatrell7965]

21:45 I'm quite certain this is what happened to Texas last week.

[@TheBattlesword]

Heart of Ice was the shit!

[@ricardocantoral7672]

I enjoy B&R because it's so damn funny. I would easily take it over something like Man of Steel.

[@billybarnett9518]

This movie is too stupid

[@IggyStardust1967]

The main problem with the sequels to the original Tim Burton Batman movie is that the parents that complained were huge fans of the campy TV series of the 60s, and quite literally demanded the more contemporary movies be turned into the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I also enjoy the campy 60s TV series.... but it was a product of it's time. Once you realize that, it's okay to allow the newer version to be a product of IT'S time. Sheesh!

[@johnsaxton5281]

Actually, Uma Thurman was totally FAB as Poison Ivy, Pure Camp

[@roberttreacy8271]

Yeah, as bad as this movie is, I did enjoy Uma’s scenery chewing.

[@jackmonaghan8477]

'Batman Returns' eventually got true sequels in the comics with the 'Batman '89' title which involved Billy Dee Williams's Harvey Dent becoming Two Face and parts of the scrapped 'Batman Unchained'/'Batman Triumphant' film becoming the 'Echoes' storyline. The comic made the wise decision to ignore the Schumacher movies.

[@lukehanna1177]

You and Nostalgia Critic had the exact same reaction to the Batgirl is Barbara? Whaaaaa?

[@HanaBakemono]

Now gluten free!? Oh thank goodness, I thought I'd never be able to watch your videos again!!! My favorite part of Michael Keaton being Batman is that Keaton went to Kent State University, the college I recently graduated from. So, when people ask why I went to that particular university, I tell them "Because Batman is an alumni of Kent." This is an acceptable answer.

[@vcabrera5396]

I think that's the most acceptable answer of all.

[@bluethunder250]

This is a guilty pleasure for me. I came into it with not too many big expectations about what the Batman lore is supposed to be. Plus, this one tickled my fancy since it was much lighter than the others. Plus, plus, Poison Ivy is DAMN HOT!!!

[@sasavulic1236]

batman returns had 3 wilans also,max shrek,pangvin,catwoman.

[@teheyepatch]

I feel like Uma Thurman was channeling Scary Spice with that hair.

[@Jezzikah287]

Spice World came out at the same time as Batman and Robin.

[@roberttreacy8271]

I always thought Ivy’s wig looked like something Lady Gaga would wear.

[@Logan_Zimmerman]

fun fact: one of the hockey players in the fight scene was journeyman minor league hockey player Stephane Desjardins.

[@jaypeve]

Interesting the accident with chemicals made her Poison Ivy, an accident with chemicals made Mr. Freeze, an accident with chemicals made The Flash, chemicals made the Joker, acid, a chemical, made Two Face, Bane uses chemicals

[@nostalgiaworks5999]

"The only character that should have Batnipples doesn't." - Nostalgia Critic about Batgirl *WRONG*

[@luisumana1238]

I like the soundtrack to Batman Forever

[@JustinSimpson]

Me too. Seal and U2 had the best songs!

[@luisumana1238]

Justin Simpson Hell yea

[@roberttreacy8271]

Me too, especially Kiss From a Rose by Seal.

[@jswatch9270]

@@JustinSimpson I like it too

[@jswatch9270]

@@luisumana1238 I love the movie and the soundtrack of batman forever

[@daveyjones5702]

lol on the diamond issue, i have herd gangsters in movies refer to diamonds as 'ice'.

[@thehoosierfortheUK]

Batman Begins was a clean slate!

[@SuperSwordman1]

And it sucked! Hugely. Epicly

[@Multi0085]

3:20-3:26 best analysis ever heard about both Tim Burton's Batman movies

[@andu1854]

The Mr Freeze episode is one of the most heartbreaking episodes

[@MohammedGeedi-d3k]

The heartbreaking episode centering around Mr. Freeze that you are referring to is "Heart of Ice" from "Batman: The Animated Series."

[@ianirwin9480]

We live in a world where the worst Batman film is not Batman & Robin...

[@KageMaxwell]

Yeah, when he said "Truly outrageous" it's safe to say I got really excited. I've been waiting on him to tear that movie a new one for a while.

[@roberttreacy8271]

At least The Lego Batman Movie was a fun toy commercial for Batman.

[@rodmoore1577]

It's so funny that parents were bitching about how dark the movie was while the TV show was on every day while no one complained

[@LaktostheIntolerant]

Nope. If the rest of the movie hadn't been so goddamn goofy, the Mr. FREEZE hideout bit could have been comedy gold.

[@RKoDaS]

Yay Sean, another video! Thanks for the upload XOXO!

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

With regards to Alfred's condition making him look like he was in the later stages of the disease, I just chalk that up to him being well old. Nora was still relatively young when she was hit with the disease while Alfred was like in his 70s when he got hit, so it makes sense his body would weaken much faster.

[@24KGoldbackGorilla]

Suit powered by diamonds....any rapper knows that diamonds=ice I'll see myself out

[@luisumana1238]

At least Val Kilmer was trying in Batman Forever

[@jswatch9270]

I enjoy val in forever