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[@mordaciousfilms]

I'll never get tired of old school practical, in-camera stuff. Someone like myself, for whatever reason, likes to keep things easy and practical ON-CAMERA rather than attempt too many CGI stuff in post I may not have all the skills or tools to pull off. I like a good balance of in-camera and POST, and maybe someday I'll figure out UNREAL!

[@MJake]

I like the idea of using it for Music Videos

[@34zporlier10]

Really looking forward to see what you come up with with Unreal! I feel like the community is really starting to get ahold of this new wave of 3D (Specifically Virtual environment) content that just became incredibly accessible due to the recent updates with Programs like UE5 and Blender these last 2 years or so. It's definitely reminiscent of when DSLRs started to become a feasible thing for the everyday person.

[@hopperhelp1]

Yes! This is exactly what I needed to see. I’ve been looking for this exact kind of setup.

[@ihassan1001]

Dude.. you guys are just amazing... man the things yall do is insane... love it!

[@CinematicCaptures]

Looking forward to seeing you tackle more Virtual Production stuff!

[@lilymonasmith4790]

Can't wait to see more content ya make! :D This makes me so fascinated with technology and effects! :)

[@devilproductions-official]

All the Cool New stuff always from Film Riot, Amazing

[@Mvjesty23]

Am I the only one that gets super excited when a new video drops 😅

[@itsvideowatcher]

Lol as soon as Cinecom posted their sponsored video with an LG projector, I just knew Film Riot would follow shortly after. Great informative video👍🏻

[@Milan23_]

Absolutely insane! Love 4k projectors!

[@UnchartedWorlds]

Hit the bell this time, looking forward that next video with Unreal Engine and your findings with this particular setup 👌

[@dannyvfilms]

I’d love to see a few more examples from the last video you did where you put traditional interview backgrounds behind the talent. I think this could be incredibly useful for that kind of workflow.

[@Jamhade]

Film riot really built different. These videos are gifts.

[@emilflognoid1532]

This is exactly what I was looking for, low budget setup for filming like the Mandalorian!

[@skevosmavros]

Great to see this sort of technique already trickling down to (relatively) low budget film makers.

[@NoCoArts]

the 2 shots at 3:40 and after were stunning. sold

[@africaamaze]

Several years on and I'm still here since day one of film Riot

[@videopro__]

You guys are such a vibe

[@BooyaJoe]

Freakin' cool! Can't wait to see more.

[@Ranger7Studios]

Hey Ryan, have you tried using a black screen instead of a white one. Usually black screens are used when you are projecting in a bright room. A black screen should help with the low contrast ratio and help to correct washouts, giving you better image saturation. Might be worth a try. Great episode! I'm trying to get hold of a projector for my next film to do something similar. Any suggestions on a lower budget projector than this one?

[@UnchartedWorlds]

I'm so happy you are making this and doing tests 👏👏🤘🏿👌👊

[@godsfilmmaker8863]

At my earlier comment I hadn’t finished the video yet. I’m so excited to see y’all break ground on this! I wonder if you could edge blend several of these projectors together in a cyc room. Just thinking about the Mandalorian wrap around environment

[@adamwoodall8075]

I FREAKIN' LOVE YOU!🔥

[@phoenixorion.dicosmo]

Ohhhhhhh yeah I was waiting for this video

[@apixel.content]

Looking forward to see how the HTC tracking and frustum setup work with the projector.

[@mobilebloggingguy]

When your using haze from a can, is there any surface clean up after, or does it just go away on its own?

[@DanielTuriman]

Good idea, love it

[@cj64films]

Is it possible to raise the contrast in the projector settings to help with the day time shots to not lose the blacks?

[@snaggletooth4607]

Omg this is great! I want one!

[@RuslanKD]

Does any have a link to the exact screen!?

[@DangerousTV69]

I gotta try this in my next video.

[@zachariahinks]

Question: Does anyone think you could ceiling mount one of these and use one of the ambient light reflection screens upside-down in a studio setting?

[@FairfieldMediaCenter]

What brand projector screen did you buy? I didn’t see it listed in the description.

[@skiltywibble]

What material is your screen made out of? It seems a semi transparent / frosted material might produce a brighter image that would emit more light. Like vellum.

[@smepable]

Looking forward to the HTC Tracking Episode!

[@nightwingsurfer]

DIY Mandalorian Style. Hell yeah!!

[@davidson4751]

How big was the actual screen you ended up using and what kind of impact on the quality did you have by pushing it beyond the recommended size?

[@rhysseddon7279]

I think this is amazing but the projector your using is a bit outside of my budget, could you recommend some budget projectors? I used a 60quid one and it just kept flickering

[@Jhizzle473]

Would y’all do tutorials on abstract vj loops? Pretty much the ones that have characters in poses and the camera panning around them in c4d or blender

[@beyfenn]

Would love to see a video about your experience learning Unreal Very excited to see the results in a couple weeks.

[@Sebbir]

Could you make the projection reach all the way to the floor if you mounted the projector to the ceiling instead?

[@kevinbillington9773]

Good going guys.

[@GustavoBissoli]

Footage looks pretty good. Specially those city night shots.

[@alexg5896]

I agree and would even say it all looked great. I'm a finicky observer and I didn't see anything that would have jarred me out of a story in any of these shots (let's ignore that I'm watching on my 10 year old projector lol)

[@vasiliyivanishvili9025]

What you think about the"metallic" screen? More bright, more contrast!

[@trphotografix2527]

what are cheaper alternatives for this projector???? thanks filmriot the best

[@Auteur_Vision]

were you ever able to get Display to work with the projector to use it with unreal engine?

[@GurmeetSingh-fr8uo]

Is the Sony A7S III better than Panasonic EVA1? In terms of images rendered and dynamic range? (Sony is full frame and EVA1 is super35).

[@OseFilmWork]

Thinking of using this technique for my next short film! Used a little glance of it with my previous short film (which are on my KZbin channel) it’s not as great so I’ll definitely replace it with a much better projector!

[@whateverjustposting]

I think my problem with this footage is the focal length/depth of field doesn’t exactly match between the fore and background, as well as the fact that you don’t get any parallax on the background when you move the camera. Super cool idea though, that shot of you using the projector to achieve a car shot actually got me really excited.

[@SanczykLucas]

To combat the low contrast background...Maybe using a big soft led panel really really close to the subject just outside the frame but with a really really low power output could help? The inverse square law would mean that the light reaching the screen will be almost negligible but would really impact the blacks on the subject. And then of course correcting the lifted blacks in the entire image in post. Maybe making a LUT to previsualize correctly. I supose it could work pretty well on mediums or closer. Not so sure in wider shots when the distance become similar. Just and idea...

[@torinhill]

How did you eliminate flicker from the screen?

[@BrianElliottFilm]

Pretty interesting stuff. I hope a few years down the line this sort of tech - that "mini Mandalorian" feel will be more accessible to more filmmakers.

[@Holtenstein]

Rad. I want to try this too

[@Edefying]

I’m doing this same thing with a 150” ambient light reducing screen meant for ust projectors. It’s honestly good that you saved some money. I’d estimate that i can use 20% more light. Which isn’t a ton

[@mitchardshepell]

Would you mind sharing a link to that screen (even if it is underwhelming)?

[@stevengibbs8651]

Dope episode 💯

[@dylantotaro5957]

Has anyone had issues with banding or color stripes? How would you fix this issue?

[@VexedFilms]

Does anyone know what movie that is @4:30 with the see through phone?

[@godsfilmmaker8863]

Would love to try this out sometime!

[@BurkenProductions]

Awesome

[@ChrisBrown1957]

Nice informative video. (You might try a glass bead screem - as used in those chromakey that had the green LEDs around the lens to project forward. They are unltra directional, and should "reject" lighting from the side that lights the talent) I =AM= going to take you to task on one point: You are using FRONT projection, not rear projection. For the latter, the projector has to be BEHIND a translucent screen so that the projector beam is on the same axis as the lens

[@MegaBexon]

Unreal vs Clarisse, guys this is a insane battle.

[@kimkrohnberle]

Awesome song: Living, Breathing - Ford

[@MichaelSavidgeStoryteller]

I'm really curious about this and hope to see that it works. In-camera effects like rear and front projection hold a lot of possibilities, and it would be great to see them rise from the dead thanks to Unreal Engine and Blender

[@yossishapiro4439]

Can you do a tutorial of how to use your ELECTRICITY AND LIGHTNING PACK to make one of the scenes that you showed in the trailer? A lot of us got the pack on Black Friday and would love to have a step-by-step tutorial on how to use it.

[@Ogaboss001]

This is great

[@NollyCakeTv]

I think this would be helpful with some of my movies

[@bigboxofpunkrock]

Now you have me intrigued about the new vive product. Have you dabbled into intel realsence yet? The realsence was significantly easier to setup and use so we switched to that. As always great content team!

[@zackh2020]

Will we ever see the interceptor movie by Andrew Kramer? I’m still waiting.

[@MrJonFinger]

I got a high end ALR screen for this. In camera it’s not actually much better. Looks better for watching films though.

[@Pumpkinshire]

How much of a better picture could you get with an air purifier filtering out the particles in front of the projector?

[@Nundi2468]

What's the title of the movie in here: 0:48 looks familiar I just can't remember the title.

[@zeroryoko999]

Now this is going to be interesting. The capability of a near perfect-replica to ILMs 3D tracking workflow. This will help Indie Filmmakers make their films on the cheep. There is one thing that needs to be tested: Instead of a flat screen, what about a curved screen so you can move the camera without running the risk of getting the screen corners?

[@Aafanyu]

ryan, josh!!! i challenge you to make this ultimate one, do the "tenet" backwards fight scene, or some other cool scene from the movie in your next tut. please, please, please. I wont stop until you do it man, please

[@omatoic]

Been pulling my hair out trying to work out mixer reality in unreal, i really hope you figure it out, please dont hold back with the details. Good luck!

[@CameronGallagher96]

Really dig the A-Roll Setup!

[@34zporlier10]

get outta here

[@CameronGallagher96]

@@34zporlier10 dont tell me what to do

[@rsmolkin]

How hard is it to balance the project brightness with lighting the people? I'm trying to do something similar but more in a live stage presentation environment, just trying to figure out how to get the presenters lit without making the screen too bright or too dark

[@filmriot]

The toughest part is keeping light spill off the projector.

[@mauddip3Ds]

yes, but what about light on actor?

[@lakshmanpoddar3818]

Please give a tutorial about stereoscopic conversation

[@RadRaven]

Hi, I noticed some synch scan lines no your Jurassic Park footage... and I'm trying to use the same projector for a shoot and I can't get rid of the synch scan lines... but you see to have sorted that out, as the rest of your footage looks fine. Any tips on how you managed to get rid of it? I've tried adjusting shutter speed, confirmed my camera was in NTC mode, but I still can see the scan line in my footage. They vary in width and speed depending no shutter speed, but even in 1/30 shutter speed, the get wider and move very slowly, but I can still see them... 😣 Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you for sharing such inspiring videos!!!

[@filmriot]

We adjusted the shutter until it was in sync. I'd still get little issues here and there, but solid overall.

[@RadRaven]

@@filmriot thank you so much for your reply! We’ve been going crazy trying to fix the issue on a Sony A7C and a Sony a6400, with no success… 🙈 We then decided to fire up our old GH5, 180* shutter angle and our problems seemed to have disappeared!! Then we tried an Olympus OM-1, also no issues with shutters at both 1/60 and 1/30!! No idea what’s going on with the Sony, but they are unusable in this scenario… 🤷‍♂️ (Our cameras are PAL, but we set them to NTSC. Could it be that even in NTSC the sensor is not capable of doing true 30fps?! 🤔) Thank you again for replying! ; )~

[@Chuck_Sexton]

I think it's time to give Ole Matt Workman a call

[@StanleyNunn]

This is where I want to go.

[@NoCoArts]

Ryan -- you guys gotta try this again with a black screen instead of white. it'll add a lot more realistic contrast

[@filmhackYT]

You need two or three projectors next time with two other screens to surround the talent to help bring up the ambient light and color of the environment.

[@vasiliyivanishvili9025]

Good idea! But price for videocard... ;(((

[@photospiros]

Why dont you try a black or middle gray screen insteed of the classic white? I m not sure, but I think you will get better blacks.

[@alexg5896]

There's actually a very specific type of screen for these ultra short-throw laser units that is a "must have" for any sort of ambient light use, that's what he referred to in the video.

[@daniel_wilkinson]

Speaking about the light spill on the screen... am I missing something, or could you not put the talent farther in front of the screen and/or maybe use barn doors on the lights? I mean, it wouldn't cure it completely, under all circumstances, and available space would limit a lot of things, I know. Oh. There's the reflected light from the action out front to consider. Hmmm...

[@theshadow8188]

I’ll do you one better. Use the projector is a rear protector to get the light bounce off onto the actor with minor adjustments well above and side lighting (the sun/ ambient light) and because you have the image/ video for the projector comp out the actor from the rear projection and comp the actor back into the source image/footage. This will give you more control over the crisp image quality later in post in addition to cementing the actor with actual light bounce and saturation from the background without sacrificing image quality for the background. I think you guys should give it a solid attempt. Could be cool.

[@mrsilveri]

00:30 My sister works on the Mandalorian as a gaffer. She told me they watched the newest matrix movie trailer on that thing

[@tyler8320]

So you bought an $800 screen but had them send you a projector on loan? How much does that thing cost?

[@notman05]

I'm disappointed you didn't put Josh into the back seat, with the jurassic park video :D

[@zvisualstv]

Ryan, have you confirmed if the Puget Systems is powered by Thor? If so, that is a big sales point.

[@filmfluence1682]

Nothing beats a 3090 ;)

[@Mr.ThomasAnderson]

In camera but CG must make haters of practical filmmaking and haters of computer graphic filmmaking collectively combust in a frustratingly fiery rage

[@LangstoniusRex]

Oh jeebus you went big on the cpu...

[@davidmccann4380]

Projector power

[@Broganshire]

Almost need 3 playing the exact same thing in a cube lol

[@frasertomsfilm]

could be good for car scenes

[@TVperson1]

Set it up with an *HTC Vive tracker*

[@MS-gn4gl]

you dont need better screens you need higher lumen projectors - these movie projectors are for dark rooms. You need projectors rear projecting onto the screens and much higher lumen output, preferably something in the 5-10k ansi lumen range at minimum.