Cinnpie: Beginning to End

[@BentNeatly]

Massive UPDATE: Cinnpie has released a statement on Twiiter, May 1st 2021. Read it here. twitter.com/Cinnpie/status/1388554534537076742 Hey! Some corrections, I'll add more if you find them, reply to this comment. D1: D1 did not admit to statutory, he had a very similar story to someone else, but his accuser was 18 and he never admitted to it. MAJOR UPDATE: After nearly a year, D1 has responded, and he's claiming innocence. Go watch his statement on his KZbin channel. Nintendo: despite how it seems, nintendo did not support smash in the past because they didn't believe it was a competitive game, not because there was rampant abuse. It was only later in 2020 that Nintendo withdrew the slow support because of sex scandals. NJWarrior: someone in the comments HERE on this video claims to be HeroKiller, a controversial person in smash, and he claims NJwarrior was him on a burner account. Not sure if the comment is still down here, and there's no way to verify any of it. But it does make sense in context so... Take it with a grain of salt.

[@superkulty64]

We`ll just never know D1's story and that`s unfortunate. It will be a case shrouded in mystery. At this point, I`m glad that Nintendo does not support the Smash community.

[@blacksuitspidey1832]

@@superkulty64 it sometimes sucks that people still hate Nintendo for not supporting the smash scene.

[@superkulty64]

@@blacksuitspidey1832 but after what happened last summer, I completely understand Nintendo for not supporting it. And they have the right to do so.

[@blacksuitspidey1832]

@@superkulty64 kind of the Free Melee movement and look what happened absolutely nothing it’s obvious Nintendo doesn’t want this to happen again and that’s why they rather have no competitive scene.

[@superkulty64]

@@blacksuitspidey1832 that, I`ll admit it was pretty dumb from Nintendo and they`re basically building their own coffin at this point. It`s sad that anything competitive (whether Smash or speedrunning) goes against Nintendo and they just do their best at shutting everything down. It sucks.

[@schraderyo4988]

At the end of the day, Wadi walked away with the first letter of his name

[@shogun1x]

He used be named Adi, but he had to hold this dub.

[@Mars-pw4iw]

@@shogun1x what happen to wadi

[@IcebergSSBU]

Your profile pic is a W!

[@highlandave8507]

@@Mars-pw4iw Remember they were engaged.

[@highlandave8507]

@UChk6YfmTvTjFjy2D5-LGr3Q No. They split up. They were fiancees, but never officially got there.

[@pooolish334]

And to think a lot of people believe men "want" to be raped or sexually abused by women, it doesn't matter the gender. Women need to be held accountable for abuse just as much as men, equality.

[@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583]

I don't know. I was 14 and the chick was 31, we met form playing CoD. It was cool but I guess experiences differ since homeboy was assaulted

[@everthon2457]

@@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583 what the hell?

[@theexaltedlt8222]

@@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583 that isn't okay

[@void6091]

@@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583 you a victim

[@sirEthereal]

@@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583 lol we share similar situations, for me it happened with a teenage babysitter when I was younger

[@XxHistorikxX]

Good on you for keeping this alive. This was literally the most egregious sexual abuse case from the whole thing and no one talks about it.

[@monchete9934]

It got talked a lot at its time, it was the catalyst of the whole Smash sexual assault wave

[@jionfairchild9313]

This was one of the most publicized and talked about cases of 2020. The hashtag ArrestCinnamonDunson even hit #1 trending on twitter at one point.

[@CereDulce37]

You mean you never bothered to look at the people actually talking about it???

[@Dizastermaster.]

@@CereDulce37 I think they mean still talks about it

[@Weareonenation303]

I've seen worse child abuse cases, what makes this case a bit different is that the alleged predator is female, most predators are male which should come to no one's surprise. I'm just glad almost no one was lenient towards Cinnpie because she is a women. I hate when people say boys abused by women are "lucky"

[@enakchandler3812]

Imagine if this was switched genders a 14 year old girl and 24 year old guy how much worse people woulda responded to this lol

[@aethernaut115]

Remember the south park episode where ike starts doing it with his teacher and the cops don't even care until they're forced to by the mom...

[@fireheart4560]

People were furious about it. The reason why she ended up being forgotten about is because she vanished and left the internet. Now she's still not banned on twitch, unlike nairo. So there is that

[@KR811]

Imagine? The opposite much more common in the smash scene. tf

[@dannysummers4591]

She was also not that big of a figure compared to the top players who were outed

[@bigtoblerone8446]

@@fireheart4560 just goes to show you just how "furious" some people were at least. Im tired of the double standards by twitch and twitter. I think her twitter is still up too

[@kwabenagreen]

it’s absolutely insane how she just left the internet. as a dmv resident, i want something to come out of this. there’s no way she should be free walking around

[@thekeyboardwarrior2061]

same, the fact that she still walks the area and could be hurting others disgusts me.

[@willhowardlokoartyui]

Same, It's crazy to think that she lives in the tiny state Virginia. Like I don't want her anywhere in my area

[@TheHeartThatRunsCold]

She isn't free walking around, she has this reputation following her, believe it or not, this is the greatest punishment she could receive without anyone pressing charges against her.

[@willhowardlokoartyui]

@@TheHeartThatRunsCold she doesn't have this reputation tho. She isn't famous enough for it to change her normal life

[@monchete9934]

This is why you send it to court. Twitter has no legal power on its own

[@somesandman8328]

Puppeh looks like he can’t breath in any of the clips of him, like seriously life is seeping from his eyes

[@PeriGreen776]

That dude went through too much

[@georgehernandez2156]

Dude needed better parents.

[@jalexmora5]

@@georgehernandez2156 parents cant alwayyys stop the abuse, it happens all the time. get your woke ass outta here

[@shuunobotenzo1992]

@@jalexmora5 Preach

[@Touremsol9925]

@Joel Mora spot on! I even have a story related to that. About a decade ago when I was 6, me and my 1 year older brother were home alone with my cousin who was 11 at the time and was supposed to be watching us. At some point he asked me to come into the closet “real quick”, I thought he was about to sneak diss, or tell me a secret. I was asking him why he couldn’t just speak in my ear, at that point I was accustomed to fowl play, but not on the scale of what proceeded. He didn’t force me to do anything, but he pressured me into something that I learned was a sexual act only 3 years ago when I was 12. Back then I thought I would get in trouble If told my mom that I did the nasty thing for 20 bucks (which didn’t “earn”, nor was I going to get in the first place), when in reality, I thought I would end up not having another choice. I told my mom about what happened at some point when I was in 8th grade, and she showed me a compassionate and understanding side that I haven’t seen before then. I really don’t think I could ask for a better parent as someone with a dad and step-dad. At the end of the day we have to consider how busy parents can be with work and know what circumstances better parenting applies to.

[@hyde7100]

It baffles me how the community just completely forgot about her. She needs to be locked up

[@sencrew5293]

She probably is

[@TheHeartThatRunsCold]

She is locked up, if you consider what her reputation now is, and if she ever wanted to work, or freely enter society she has what she did hanging over her head everywhere she goes. She's not a free person anymore.

[@unknowingreaper6556]

@@TheHeartThatRunsCold I don’t know about that. How many people actually are into smash bros like that? She could easily apply for a job and no one would know about this.

[@zackrose6261]

@@TheHeartThatRunsCold Cancel culture does jack shit in real life, and the drama surrounding it goes away eventually.

[@TheHeartThatRunsCold]

@@unknowingreaper6556 The thing you aren't considering is how long until someone does find out. And just like that, you're out of a job, same with land lords, future friends, etc... She can't escape it, and it's on the internet, so it's recorded forever. There is no worse hell than being a public figure then having this happen to your reputation. Regardless of lawful punishment, her life is forever ruined, because she'll never be afforded the freedom of a stable life. My point in saying this is that, if you want her to suffer for what she's done, she has, and will continue to suffer. Also, most jobs worth having do a quick background check on whoever they're considering employing.

[@megamani547]

I can't believe i got hype over WaDi's proposal to this woman. I feel bad for both puppeh, WaDi, and everyone involved, except for Cinnpie.

[@Wackaz]

I used to love Cinnpie until all this shit.

[@TVEDJS14999]

Man I feel bad for Cinnpie too. I wonder what kind of home life or childhood she had that led her to do stuff like that

[@sparkfx5874]

@@TVEDJS14999 That isn't an excuse for her behavior though. And she may have not went through anything but that's just how she is.

[@TVEDJS14999]

@@sparkfx5874 oh nah not at all I def feel what she did was wrong and true maybe nothin happened I was just speaking out of ignorance and curiosity ig

[@Adem92Foster]

@@TVEDJS14999 The fact that she hasn't responded since the allegations (Soon it will be a year since her last twitter activity) leads me to believe that there's none of that, and that she knows what she did

[@Raddkann]

she deadass VANISHED. nobody knows where the hell she is.

[@VinceTheCreatorr]

She either on alt accounts nobody knows about or has just quit the internet

[@sonicandamyfan4ever]

@@VinceTheCreatorr I definitely feel like she has to be on an alt or something, it makes me mad that she just disappeared when in reality she should be locked up though

[@Xgil2Play]

She put out a statement today.

[@mortysanchez1002]

For a while her and wadi had a twitch account with a robot voice changer. But now wadi streams to support cinnpie behind closed doors

[@kebogotti-k7t]

i heard she is in california

[@Clairavoya]

I love how Tweek literally didn't care at all when WaDi got down on his knees for Cinnpie, he's just like, while you guys are doing that I'm going to set up my controls real quick.

[@Ovar_]

If I was him, I'd do the same

[@hanson2331]

tweek is tweek, there's a reason why he's top 3 (now top 2) in the world.

[@motto25]

I feel like he wadi wouldve let tweak know ahead of time and he agreed to it, otherwise its almost seems like icing a player

[@Clairavoya]

@@motto25 You know what, he might've, but considering he was just messing around with stuff on the setup I don't really know about that, he was going through random menus and things

[@satirical140]

Tweek is just kinda cool like that

[@thanos8077]

People better not defend her after this she needs to go too jail she has no excuse end of story

[@javis88h]

For real, guy or girl that's creepy and so blatant too. They were literally 5 feet away from any active cameras

[@thanos8077]

@@javis88h right?!

[@topramenraymond7005]

She needs to go to jail lol that's completely up to Troy

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

@@javis88h it is not creepy. It is illegal and appalling.

[@javis88h]

@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo truth

[@FEARFREAK42]

The only thing I missed was the CinnPie's actual age. IDK where in the video it is stated besides the very end when they are discussing it. I went through half of this thinking she was 16-18 when it all went down. After researching some and seeing CinnPie was 24 that was a big yikes moment.

[@FEARFREAK42]

@Tuscan417 No, you are completely right. I keep thinking the kid was like14 because it showed him at and passed that age. I didn't know who these people are before watching this.

[@zangetsu1597]

@@FEARFREAK42 Same here. I didn't know any of these people before this video. I haven't regularly played Smash since college in 2016. Funny thing is I'm still younger (23) than Cinnpie when she committed this bs and can't for the life of me understand what in her right mind made her and any of the others want to sexually abuse people. Minors at that! What I want to know is how did everyone literally get reported on the same day? That was like a purge.

[@fcnator]

It literally showed her age

[@matguimond92]

I'm 29 and I'd never hit on people under the age of 24. CinnPie is a predator and probably too immature for older guys therefore praying on the young minds of boys with her body.

[@TGMShoNuff]

It's in the video when it shows and stated three times that she was twenty-four and Troy was fourteen. O_o

[@sheepofwater]

Simple comment: do more of this, especially while the iron is hot. You're good at it.

[@Dizastermaster.]

This video IS more of this

[@kiyamahiroto4667]

YESSIR

[@killdano]

but keep a backup channel active, and let your followers know where it is, cause I made a video similar to this, and the lying bitch I was exposing send her twitter followers to report my channel and youtube just deleted it, and now my old subs can't find my new platform.

[@kingduckdodo6672]

@@killdano jesus that's just sad

[@donaldhenderson7703]

@@killdano damn that sucks you have to watch your back in front of these people these women will try to end your life because of their insecurities (men as well)

[@MrPomegranX]

“NO! There’s a camera” Holy shit

[@kennyrodriguez9200]

Bro that still blows me away till this day

[@mojorisin069]

@Ultimate Supreme Leader do you really think it's only the smash community? I'm not defending the smash community. But I'm saying open your eyes. Humans are gonna act the same no matter what a lot of the time. Smash just has people who spoke up.

[@ratsalesman71]

@Ultimate Supreme Leader you heavily implied that it was a big problem specifically in the smash community

[@ratsalesman71]

@Ultimate Supreme Leader you should learn to not take everything literally. go search up the word "exaggeration" and report back to here. also you think reading is hard? lol, it's effortless for a lot of people

[@ratsalesman71]

​@Ultimate Supreme Leader it wasn't even me who said it. but you are going to have to learn sooner or later that people exaggerate all the time* in conversations, to make a point (and the point can still be completely valid, no matter how much they exaggerate). *people do not literally exaggerate "all the time"; I am just making my point. if i said "people exaggerate in conversations approximately once every minute or two", which is closer to the truth, it wouldn't have as much of an effect, and yet my point makes perfect sense and it fit into the sentence just fine.

[@Thelowestofthelowtiers]

I just don't understand why out of all these grown ass men in this community,she goes after the 8th grader. It also doesn't help that she got engaged a few years later and I would imagine her husband is feeling some kind of way about his own wife. Edit: Uh sorry about this,but turns out the guy who WAS married to her was WaDi. I say WAS because WaDi dodged one hell of a bullet by divorcing Cin 2 years ago for some reason. Good for you,WaDi. You saved yourself from 10 years of therapy with that move.

[@musikkritik6316]

Sorry, but it's a stupid question to ask why a p.. e.. d.. o.. p.. h.. i.. l.. e.. goes for a kid instead of a grown-up..

[@Thelowestofthelowtiers]

@@musikkritik6316 and it doesn't help that the competitive community is predominately dominated by GROWN FUCKIN' MEN yet SHE chose to go after a kid who just wanted to play his favorite game and get pass middle school. She could've even went with his older brother(that is if the gap isn't completely nonsensical or something),but noooo. Go after the little boy. That's gonna end soooo well. This is the same crap that got a potentially good show off the radar in 12 Forever. Dumb crap.

[@budsmoker3000]

@@musikkritik6316 control usually also most likely she got abused like that (that doesn't excuse anything she did she should be in prison)

[@zeokenx2]

@@budsmoker3000 So fucking what man? That doesnt give her a pass because it happened to her at a young age.If she had a soul she wouldnt want that happening to her worst enemy because of the experience.

[@trinixjin8039]

@@zeokenx2 thats why he said "this doesnt excuse anything" everyone has a soul but it doesn't stop you from projecting, people arent as awe inspiring and awesome as you'd hope, we are just "people" and that's the more reason to learn how to defend yourself and our future generations from people. Some of the deadliest and vile people on this planet are nice people

[@Jack_lee75]

That whole scene failed puppeh I am so sorry for him

[@watashiwaahaha7396]

Cw: I was groomed online by a woman her age when I was around Snoopeh's age. You really don't realize what's happening until you have that hindsight. It's incredible just how much it really does fuck you up in the long run with your ability to make proper healthy relationships. I hope the kid finds justice

[@Zeeno]

How are you dealing with it now buddy?

[@coconut4219]

Ugh, I still remember when this whole situation blew up and feeling shitty about it. Like, I'm a casual smash player for the most part and I wasn't super into the competitive scene, but I would often watch some highlights online for fun and enjoy some of the commentary (some of the commentators were awesome to listen to). So, to hear the flood of accusations and some of the accused admit to what they did was kind of a shock. I don't know where Cinnpie is right now, but I hope she eventually gets the punishment she deserves. Great vid btw. June 23rd EDIT: Cinnpie's response was... not very good.

[@LSmashUlt]

All of this happened right when I wanted to start getting more serious about competitive smash so I feel the same way.

[@Dr4gon785]

Same I'm casual, but i liked to watch zero's KZbin channel. Then all the crazy ass shit dropped and I was like wtf. Still pisses me off

[@matguimond92]

I no longer want to associate myself with this atrocious community. I grew up playing Smash 64 and I was the one of the better casuals in my circle. I have Smash Ultimate but I wouldn't touch that game with a 10 foot pole especially after the latest DLC characters. Pyra and Myrtha are literally thirst traps.

[@potatosnek]

@@matguimond92 I don't really see what including characters from a very popular game has to do with how garbage the community is

[@coconut4219]

@@matguimond92 Please elaborate on Pyra and Mythra being thirst traps and what it has to do with the community.

[@MrBroken030]

Great stuff man, this story needs way more exposure, the double standard when it comes to grooming of minors is sooo frustrating to see.....lock her up!

[@TheMixedPlateFrequency]

What's crazy is that how many of them did that stuff and just within that community alone. Makes you wonder about large corporations, other communities and areas if the percentage is higher with cases like this.

[@thanos8077]

I agree that double standard really pisses me off and the people who defend situations like this need to reevaluate themselves

[@MrBroken030]

@@TheMixedPlateFrequency I mean we have seen it before, it makes sense from a predators perspective to go into gaming communities that are liked by kids or seem kid friendly at least, like minecraft, fortnite and whatever else is popular with kids these days. Im pretty sure the smash community is just one many communities that are plagued by predators, those people will hop onto anything, club penguin, winx club, smash, fornite, your local trading card game shop, you name it, you will probably have higher numbers of predators in those kind of communities, there is no doubt in my mind. This is just the tip of the iceberg :/

[@MrBroken030]

yo, just wanted to say thanks for all the likes, i just wrote this comment because this story really triggered me. she really broke that boy, look at those pictures, read his twit longer and tell me that this experience with cinnpie didnt change his life for the worse and with lasting consequences. there should be justice for boys like him, just as there is for girls...

[@derichip5280]

4 woman like her with twitch account still but only one still a full time streamer called angell

[@austinsmith5101]

Just stumbled upon this video. It is unbelievably refreshing. Documentary style videos often feature a person who talks too much and spends too much time with the camera on themself instead of the content. I didn’t even notice that there was no commentary for a solid ten minutes because the editing, clip selection/captioning, and present were captivating. Really well done.

[@clockhanded]

Say it again for the anthromorphic 2d lunch item youtubers in the back.

[@dranzerblade]

this kind of editing reminds me of crowbcat

[@AzureRoxe]

She came back, half-denying everything, trying desperately to make it all about her and the abuse she went through and even posted a "cease and decist" letter threatening to sue anyone who exposes her.

[@RobotMauk]

I like how there’s no narration. Kinda gives it an eerie/unsettling vibe which it is.

[@gulermo]

those smash commentators in the beginning are weird man, they were seing "oh yeah puppeh and cinnpie are a thing" like it was super normal, jesus christ

[@LDR.125]

I think it was supposed to be satirical and then it turned out to be true

[@gulermo]

@@LDR.125 i thought abt that, just hearing those jokes now just exhale "this aged like milk" energy but not in the funny way like most things, but in the "jesus christ this is uncomfortable" way

[@vla1ne]

@@gulermo that's the thing about dark humor of that variety. If it ever turns out true, then the jokes become fact, and fact of that variety, is more often depressing than funny.

[@SneesToMeetYou]

Honestly I don't think they knew, going "haha lil kid is dating person they interact with" is a really common teasing joke, it's just incredibly unfortunate that it was unfortunately true

[@mojorisin069]

@@SneesToMeetYou really? The idea of a young male with a older female is most males fantasy. They knew. They made jokes and then tried to side step it seeing as they were on stream. They knew and if you think they were blissfully unaware you should open your eyes. People knew about this before it hit the public.

[@kubokubo6347]

Why does this look professional???? WHY DOES IT HAVE NO VIEWS

[@namenlosNamenlos]

If you can, share the video. Bit by bit it's helps & goes long way.

[@dnegel9546]

Cuz the world does not revolve around smash bros. 😑

[@kubokubo6347]

@@dnegel9546 it might not be the whole world, but the community isn't small. Something like this usually gets a lot of attention.

[@kubokubo6347]

@@dnegel9546 like you gotta admit, the production is pretty god

[@sacredyt5252]

Comment for algorithm

[@SquirrelOperative]

Man what a brilliantly clever way to show off your original music. I hope you end up making video game soundtracks

[@yahyhwh9901]

The music is good cant lie!

[@TheErolind]

Damn I thought it was from a game

[@trinixjin8039]

Imagine how awesome this would have turned out, only if cinnpie just did the big sister role. Pup would be a top player with amazing friends and family to back him up, people that always supported and protected him but nope, in this reality we got this fiasco instead :(

[@cm9241]

Imagine letting your 14 year old kid travel out of state with smash players lmao

[@titsbitchmcgee7502]

@@cm9241 This. It's just asking for another Cinnpie situation to happen.

[@Fooza05]

@@cm9241 Yeaaaaa his parents were also a bit iffy here. I mean, you would let your kid go to a tourney with an adult who you probably just met without your supervision?

[@doggo7514]

Not necessarily adding this for the original comment but to what the rest are saying. I went to my first gaming convention when i was 13-14. But at the time, I was staying at a friend's house with 4 of my other friends, and he lived like 4 blocks away from where the convention was. If it wasn't for all of those factors together my parents would've probably never let me go to the convention, let alone fly to another city. So it is pretty crazy that the parents would let him do that.

[@kittycatgirl1139]

True

[@Tikanr-jm1op]

And it’s crazy how nairo got banned on twitch but Cin got to keep her twitch, now that he’s back and things have been legally resolved on his story.

[@Alex-vm6ef]

I can't believe there are people who believe nairo is innocent, that is the epitome of ignoring what is actually proven to have happened in favor of the conclusion come to by public opinion

[@millionshadesofdarkness2165]

She just wrote a twitlonger and guess what? She takes no responsibility for what happened and paints herself as the victim.

[@Soniman001]

It's a legal document not a twit longer, jfc lol

[@dingerling9017]

What she say?

[@sykeraid4944]

Woah it's weird being friends with and going to high school with Cinnamon and her siblings back in the day and then seeing all this controversy.

[@hido...]

I would feel weird too if I knew someone in the past that got exposed

[@scaratlas3347]

Whoa wtf. That has to be fucking crazy seeing this shit.

[@sykeraid4944]

@@scaratlas3347 Super crazy.

[@gabriellara5717]

Wait, you went to school with her?

[@SuperCer054Real]

@@gabriellara5717 can you read bro

[@Swpb666]

Damn. I blame the parents. When I was a kid (16) I never understood why my mom wouldn’t let me go across the states to play with a punk rock group I was in at the time. Now I know why she didn’t let me go.

[@ttretinoinn]

We should all listen to our parents when they won't let us go out with people. They know that this type of shit goes down and they really care about you.

[@lavery87]

Being sixteen is a whole lot different than being twelve to be fair

[@emorr747]

No forreal....A TON of incidents could have been avoided if A. The parents were on site if a minor was attending a tourney. B. Strictly said no, you can go across the country to play in a tourney unsupervised

[@Markustempest]

Being 16 and 12 are not the same lol. At 16 you are nearly an adult and in most countries you can legally drink. By 16 you should be capable of making choices and more cemented in who you are. A 12 year old is still looking to others to form an identity.

[@Tamaki742]

She can't even use the excuse of "he looked older", not that that's even a legitimate excuse for anyone to prey on minors, but he literally looked his age as a kid.

[@hardondong3550]

Man legit looked like a 4th grader

[@randomyoutubeuser261]

He looked even younger

[@theoneitself]

Finally someone thinks the same as me. One thing that unfortunately can happen to anyone is to engage a (let's say) "casual" encounter with a minor WITHOUT you noticing since that person probably looks older (it was not your intention to be with a minor) , BUT ANOTHER story is when you go predating minors with FULL CONSCIOUSNESS of what you are doing, and this teen clearly even looked like a 8 year old, so yeah, she was a fuck/ing sick child predator. It's a crime no one is forcing the law with her.

[@darthhavokk701]

I don't know any of these people nor am i into smash (pretty messed up situation) that being said the editing skills had me glued the whole time 👍

[@souppdog1916]

a lot of people who don't know smash stuff assume all smash players are pedos because of all this stuff that happened. I hope you don't feel the same because that couldn't be further than the truth.

[@dnegel9546]

@@souppdog1916 but ain't like half of the top players get caught doing something. 🤷

[@souppdog1916]

@@dnegel9546 not even close to half lol. There was a lot way more than it should have been. But every single player and figure in the smash scene got permanently banned and reported to the police. The scene is a lot safer now for minors EVEN if we don't shower Lmao

[@DadBot-_-]

Facts

[@rang4889]

Just make sure u know that thats a very small demographic of the actual player base. A lot of us are just here to have fun nothing else. I hope you can realize this and maybe even try out smash yourself. Its a pretty fun game and its helped me get through some tough times. I feel so bad for WaDi 😭

[@finalsorrowss]

Seeing the proposal with Wadi is next level painful. For a moment I found myself smiling, but I quickly snapped back remembering.

[@nottucks]

Same, I was looking at WaDi thinking about how happy he was at that moment and then I looked at Cinnpie and it all came back in an instant. Depressing.

[@mateosolano328]

So true, same

[@elmotesthall2656]

Man he knew wtf was going on 😭

[@Soulful_Oatmilk]

Man, I hope nairo's situation clears up, and he gets back some portion of the life Zach took from him

[@thezsar5053]

Ever since I first saw Zachs statement I knew he wasn’t a victim. I knew he knew what he was doing and how he purposely tried to end nairos career. I knew he probably demanded money from him and knew what he was doing the whole time (based off his messages). I just didn’t know that nairo was ra**d and all the details that not only supported my theory but made things way worse. The whole thing makes sense and I’m glad that it has been legally resolved. I hope the community welcomes him back :/

[@JackOLanter]

What about Zero dude? He literally did nothing. Not even meet one of those girls and he suddenly a rapist? Seeing people defend some that did in fact have sexual intercourse with minors and then being too harsh on Zero is just crazy to me.

[@Du3Fanatic]

@@JackOLanter to my knowledge Zero had been living with his gf already when he send those messages. As someone who clearly has alot of say and power in this specific community you could see his messages as manipulation of a minor because that girl must have thought smth like; ''omg zero is asking this of me'' which results in heat of the moment submission where if it was a random dude she would have been disgusted by this behaviour. its also kind of cheating at the same time since his gf that he showed off alot in his media probably didnt know about this side of him and he while knowing this is disgusting behaviour continued showing her off in his dirtbike videos for example. This is so fucking wrong because he set her up as a public figure with this situation looming over her head without her knowledge. I agree hes not a sex offender or anything, but it deffo is predatorial behaviour and showing signs he knew it wasnt right but didnt care anyway. In my eyes such a person doesnt deserve all that money, fame and most importantly ''power'' anywhere in the world, certainly not a place where a lot of minors are present. The one im mad about is keitaros situation, although i agree as atm a 27 year old he shouldnt have even touched that 17 year old girl (think her name was shiva or smth?) beginning with just the age gap and difference in mindset (he was 30 at the time if i remember correctly?). I mean i wouldnt think of being with someone that young, ive been (probably) through so much more than the hypothetical 17 year old that its just not the same world we live in. Think jobs, ppl u have lost, university and everything else that comes with growing up its a situation thats more leaning towards it wouldnt work than otherwise. Still, in many countries including the country they were in when that happened, 17 is not minor anymore but age of consent. I do have to mention though that 17 is still puberty for alot of ppl and i do think theres a probability shiva couldnt assess this situation as an adult so its wrong. Still its a weird situation and although i do think keitaro shouldnt have lost his career over this its still his fault for not being the grown up in their drunk state or even after the fact the could have supported her, motivated her to go to therapy or simply she DID really like him and for him it was more of a 1 night stand kind of thing (nope there wasnt intercourse) but u cant do that with someone that young. If she did like him he should have been mature and show without breaking her it wasnt gonna happen. In a friendly way ofc, one of understanding. So again yes i do think keitaro should have been able to safe his career with the right steps and showing remorse. but what im FURIOUS about is the fact a '' whistle blower'' decided to tell this story. Not Shiva or ofc Keitaro. I mean she even made a twitlonger saying i didnt want this and now the whole world knows and showing heavy signs of depression. This is very impactful for a young girls life with this coming out and she didnt even have a say in it if it should be brought to light. Some arrogant asshole decided to be a social justice warrior and possibly ruined her life for the coming years. The person who brought this out should be in jail, or atleast pay for his mistake. Something like this shared could mean years of therapy, depression and just fuck up her whole life since young 18s to 19s is 1 of the most important times in your life in many countries. More importantly we dont know if she even trust her close friends now, i mean someone knowing this to every detail is surely someone close to her. truly disgusting. What i hope many ppl learned with all these allegations (example take nairos case) is this kind of things should remain at the victims house and its their choice to share it with only POLICE AND LAWYERS. ok rant over ty bye :)

[@GoreDios]

Who is Zack?

[@aIkaIi]

@@Du3Fanatic But people can change, and I'm sure ZeRo clearly had. He was on his weight loss journey, branching to different subjects, and on his way to change his life for the better.

[@botanicalabe]

16:07 The reason Cinnpie responded to the rumors was from a Twitter user called HeroKiller and he was a fucking legend. He made a couple more accusations against more members. He was 100% right about Cinnpie and I believe he made another accusation towards GimR which was proven to be untrue but the amount of information this guy knew was insane. And during a lot of his Twitter arguments, he would send people videos of him fucking a different girl. An absolute legend.

[@larsattack]

Wtf going by what you described it sound like He’s a douchebag

[@mj6312]

@@larsattack that's irrelevant when you consider he is exposing fucking pedophiles

[@mj6312]

Also, was that Gimr accusation proven to be untrue or was it just forgotten? I genuinely don't know, I stopped hearing about that quickly

[@botanicalabe]

@@mj6312 I think he had a dispute with an ex but it was still kinda crazy he knew something had happened between Gimr in the first place. Gimr is innocent.

[@mj6312]

@@botanicalabe alright, thanks.

[@leooooo6482]

13:50 'Controversy had always forced Nintendo to keep the scene at arms length.' Nintendo never wanted the scene to exist in the first place. They even actively try to sabotage it. The controversy around the Smash community surely didn't help but Nintendo had this attitude towards the whole scene since forever.

[@ryusoulger9127]

Least some sort of progress was being made when Ultimate was fresh but after these allegations and shit, ain't no way Nintendo is gonna touch the community now and I honestly don't blame them, especially considering they actively worked with some of those players who were part of the allegations. Nintendo was never totally on board with Competitive Smash true but it's insane how the community wants support yet actively doesn't take the steps to warrant it and even if they do, they never go anywhere with it.

[@deppo436]

Yeah you can certainly forget about wanting Nintendo to support the competitive in any extent after all this, they now have an actual reason to not want a comp scene with Smash and I completely understand them for that. It's such a shame too.

[@cm9241]

Based Nintendo

[@stigmatamartyr4223]

I'll never understand a grown person's attraction to a kid. I hope the kid is able to overcome this and heal.

[@pixelwhisper1999]

What kind of coward hides behind a lawsuit after grooming a child?

[@Cinnamocha]

The professionalism in this channel is amazing, wish I had found this sooner

[@cm9241]

It's basically all memes, I don't know how you would call that professionalism

[@grandoblivion5268]

Lol Nintendo is never supporting smash tournaments again. Unless they officially do them, that shit is done.

[@zeokenx2]

*Id personally dis-allow tournament from being held with that game specifically for good if I were Sakurai.Think about that dude's reputation.Sure hes not the one that did it but his game and his name will be a engrave on his grave the day he leaves this **planet.No** fucking way someone should bring up these cases here in the US if Nintendo right now can do something about it before more stories about girls groping little boys or vice versa.Thats the real coronavirus thats needs a shot.* *Then they wondered why Nintendo didnt want Melee being held at tournaments,that dude's probably scarred for life being molested in the manner he was* *Nintendo need to shut this shit down FOREVER*

[@Possiblylowtier]

@@zeokenx2 low tier bait

[@Rowann1]

​@@zeokenx2 Why would they stop doing tournies because some people are horrible. This happens in every scene. They don't need to shut it down they need to do better at ensuring safety of people going to them.

[@Risky_Boots999]

You do realize all the gaming world right now is dealing with hundreds of cases? Its not just smash

[@scarecrow4297]

@@Risky_Boots999 it's mostly smash. It just brings out it disgusting types of people

[@marcusispoor]

jesus christ poor kid man hope he’s doing better and is able to recover from all of this on a separate note: the music in the background being played was really good Bent Neatly definitely a fan

[@buffbear7890]

13:51 saying this in this context makes it sound like there were other legal problems involved, there wasn't. The reason that Nintendo doesn't like competitive smash is for the simple reason that its competitive. They don't like games that are hard. They made brawl, they wanted everyone to play it and when people didn't because they wanted to play melee instead they got mad and tried to cancel us. Basically, Nintendo wants to be the "Family friendly fun-for-all Mario" people, instead of heading towards serious E-sports, like the Smash Bros. series.

[@nexusgiga]

i mean. the community is known for being a rowdy sex dudgeon full of illegal gambling

[@liquidjackson7172]

This was incredible. Needs more light shed on this

[@bayoen9819]

lol the proposal after a year made me cringe and physically hurt.

[@MrSunDragon]

not as bad as people I seen proposing after a week or so.

[@jonathand.4088]

A year is plenty of time. If you're dating a normal person who doesn't hide crap from you like she did.

[@raynebirkin6726]

Aw man this hurts 😂😂😂

[@georgemarquez4308]

Lmao I never knew this happened and holycrap was it cringe 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@laserbeamlightning]

Armand Harris you are correct but ppl won’t give this likes because they’re too into the idea of love curing everything in America as opposed to thinking things through

[@trizzwiz9368]

she needs to be in jail!!

[@musikkritik6316]

Exactly

[@thanos8077]

Facts

[@GreyZuma]

The authorities aren’t doing shit man it’s so wack.

[@yafilmme6160]

@@GreyZuma well tyler is 20 now they can’t take action unless he wants them to

[@arbetor12]

Yeah she does Same with Nario

[@GPN007a]

I never thought there would ever be a smash groupie especially with the odorous reputation of the smash community.

[@isaacturner199]

That's probably why though. It was the best place for her to get attention and be somebody. It worked until she got caught up.

[@matguimond92]

bleh. makes me ashamed of ever playing smash. thankfully I'm casual I'd never, *_never_* , want to be associated with the likes of ZeRo and this horrible young woman.

[@matguimond92]

so anyways, I'm going to take up professional runescape. Probably kms after not getting 99 agility.

[@jayden_rico]

@@matguimond92 don’t throw the baby out with the bath water! Runescapes definitely got some predators too!

[@tahbudden1598]

There's a bunch lol Even that Risu chick has admitted to getting tossed around by top players. And rumors went around she had a orgy with esam and mvd

[@SakiStarr777]

Im still flabbergasted all this happened behind the scenes of a fucking smash game

[@TetsuoIVIX]

A lot more people in the Virginia scene knew about this than they are leading you all to believe. About 2016/2017, a friend of mine who is in the TEKKEN community, I repeat in the TEKKEN community told our friend group about this in a discord call. He & a few others talked about it at Final Round as well when we asked about it. They all confirmed. There were at least 2 other tweets from around that time besides the one shown in this video that was made. I guess they couldn't be found.. But. I for sure remember seeing them. Maybe someone in the Virginia scene can confirm or whatever. lol

[@Locked_Character]

I know this video is serious but bruh the zoom in at the beginning after she said he's ecstatic made me chuckle.

[@garragaiahelper]

lmao i'm so weak at the "Then she ruined everything"

[@RandyMayCrazy]

meanwhile tweek: "ok can we play now?" lmao messing around in the screen

[@nitro8611]

"Wants to look good for his girl." IMMA HEAD OUT

[@mizythang]

I don’t even know much about the smash community. But I must say this this video was well edited. It honestly felt like I was watching a documentary. A job well done!

[@Rat_the_Renegade]

You really don't want to know much about this community. A lot of things happened within the last year and all these things came out and lit the community on fire. The community needs some desperate changes if we ever want it to go back to what we thought it was.

[@MegaCygnusX1]

If the genders were reversed, this woman would be in jail right now. Hell, the whole thing would have been called out before anything escalated.

[@bluesyleader8633]

Let the record show that even though someone looks pretty and beautiful, they could really be a wolf in sheep's clothing. It really makes me think of how in the dark at night when you leave a few clothes on the floor and it's almost like your mind makes it look like a monster. Except in this situation the monster was real and it attacked a 14 year old child. I can't imagine how painful this was for puppeh and WaDi.

[@sinfinite7516]

Wait so WaDi was with Squerk and Cinn was with Puppeh and Squerk and Puppeh are BROTHERS?! Nahhhhh that whole family got done dirty. 😢

[@wesleyblack8302]

To hell with her coming back, we pretty much lost the smash community that year. Needing a whole console for one game was one thing, but losing that many top players and commentators was crippling. I still haven't and don't plan on buying a switch

[@buckleupteddy]

Get a switch and play breath of the wild rn

[@ccelio5468]

I went from seeing this mans top comment and never playing smash in my life to watching his whole channel and I’m lowkey fascinated

[@BentNeatly]

Comment on Just Friends...?

[@nate5490]

What a dope documentary. I feel like I was watching one those murder cases you see on TV. Definitely gonna sub

[@kamari1630]

This is investigative journalism.

[@johndewberryiii9925]

Wow this is so sad and twisted. I been talking to my kids all week about grooming and twisted adults. If she touched my son ewww man nowhere would be safe for her. People are really sick yo

[@frodude]

This is an important thing to talk about with your kids. Much respect for bringing that up with them, it’s good to have them aware and safe!

[@WeAreBlessedCo]

im surprised this has such low views! great job on the editing. do you plan on narrating or getting a narrator?

[@BentNeatly]

I've narrated one video, my zatoichi review, and I liked how it turned out so I'm open to it

[@yoyosheat]

I liked this kind of video without narrations. Editing were well made and musics added a lot. Dont feel the need to do it

[@BentNeatly]

I hear ya, baby

[@Meg-nc4su]

Im laughing of how she just vanished from twitter after putting the whole smash competitve scene on fire she said nothing, she just.. disappeared and for real I didnt even know twittlonger existed before this, my TL was full of this

[@ArvelleWhitaker]

She had a speak out (speak out against sexual harrasment) tag in her handle days before the bomb dropped....she changed it to do your bestthe day after

[@spoopzey]

@@ArvelleWhitaker yeah I remember this shit. Irony is real.

[@jotakux7489]

This doc was really really good. Great timing and compelling music. Honestly subbed just over the quality. Not even into the scene, just the way you did it had me glued to the screen. Please keep it up.

[@Death_by_Inches]

Honestly because she's an attractive nerd, it made people blind to the fact that she's highkey an adult pushing 30 but doing their damnedest to look, act, and talk like some "uwu onee chan" 17 year old e girl.

[@dekm101]

i wish more outcomes would come out of these stories and accusations, public or not i just wish for action. though i can still understand some of the victims points of view of even not wanting to take things to court, whether it be family limitations or even the costs and trauma of a court case. coming from someone on that reddit list of those hurt, this video is a great step forward in ensuring that dangerous people like this names are constantly put in the spotlight for their actions. Some people like this should not be allowed to walk away from this scott free with the little price of having to leave social media

[@sasaox2758]

It’s weird that I went against this person in Fairfax of last year. I didn’t know how she acted in the past or anything. I never knew her name till the whole drama rose to light.

[@SuperVada]

I met her and puppeh once at my local tournament back in 2016. It was all smiles til you find out that she was the predator and he was the prey. Thank you for the video.

[@hamzaabushwereb3982]

You make great videos, thank you. There is so much trash on this site that seeing a very small channel put effort into their videos is refreshing. Please never get lazy. I hope you have a good day :)

[@seanmcmahon4094]

Watching the proposal that Wadi made to Cinnpie makes harder when I look back at it. I really feel bad for Wadi proposing to a child predator. I guess he dodged a bullet.

[@theBCEproductions]

Excellent format and editing, the algorithm will reward you

[@themerchantof1175]

I love this vid. I heard about what happened in the Smash community years ago and it just boiled my blood hearing what She did to Troy. Thanks for reminding the people, man.

[@JayInVA22]

I live here, and have known cinnamon since like 2008, and had no clue. Great video, Roast her azz (I can't think of anything she could say to her friends/family/US(she had sooo many friends here in VA Beach that didn't know anything, who even 2 years later are like..wtf) it was Nice seeing TGS(That Game Store) at its prime tho, since they're closed now. You got a new subscriber, really good vid

[@WK_MERCURY]

Nintendo took a chance and extended an olive branch to the smash community only to find out they were just a bunch of creeps. Lol

[@albertwesker4729]

Sad that Sakurai has to suffer because of the community and pedos, and when nintendo was about to give them support when this happened

[@adoll.5.0.02]

At 1st CaptainZack now Cinnpie, these videos are absolutely awesome. Please keep doing this kind of stuff, we all love it and truly hope you get more views, as you deserve

[@davonterrell1]

Maybe I didn't miss out on being apart of that scene like I thought as a kid

[@xOscarAx]

Commenting and liking for the KZbin algorithm, this should be exposed more

[@sacredyt5252]

Agree

[@owlflame]

So... apparently Cinnpie wasn't the nobody I thought she was... Apparently everyone knew her. I've been an on again off again part of the community since the start of smash 4 and I'd never even heard her name before.

[@mid7752]

Same.

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

how did y’all not know cinnpie?? she was one of the most well-known commentators in smash 4 and ultimate

[@mid7752]

@@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713 I guess I don't pay enough attention to the commentators

[@owlflame]

@@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713 I didn't know that. I didn't really learn the name of many of the commentators. I just kinda tuned into tournaments for the players. Smash commentary is kinda trash in general.

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

@@owlflame true lmao

[@saltmines5761]

Listening to those commentators say that “they’re a thing, that’s his bae”; not as disgusting as Cinnpie but surely didn’t help

[@Horky_Porky]

It does normalize this kind of behavior, doesn't it? They didn't mean it seriously of course, but still, it's weird.

[@AntiBellum]

Those commentaries really aged poorly lmao. I wish someone spoke up. I think that’s what happened, people saw it, thought it was strange, but didn’t have the courage to speak up about it. It’s a damn shame too.

[@robburitto4193]

They didn't do anything wrong. It was an edgy joke anyone should be aloud to make

[@saltmines5761]

@@robburitto4193 yeah i can see where they were joking (at least one of them, the other guy was still pushing the idea of them being a couple multiple times), but they were very casual about a 24 year old following around and having some kind of a pseudo-relationship with a 14 year old. I would classify them (the commentators) as bystanders in this issue. Labeling what they were saying as an edgy joke does not excuse them. Edgy jokes have their place, but I believe them to have their place way after everything is said and done. During the process, they (edgy jokes) only serve to mellow and deescalate a major issue in some people's minds. So yeah, I believe they did do something wrong.

[@robburitto4193]

@@saltmines5761 By that logic, anyone who saw them near each other is a bystander

[@keke7400]

We really need to raise men like how we raise women in terms of ,"looking for a partner", so they'd protect themselves from any sexual harassment instead of accepting it like its a gift. Men should be more wary of who they're dating and such, im quite surprised she even got to fuck around even if everyone knew about her reputation.

[@justinmadrid8712]

Sorry to be blunt but, whenever a girl and boy spend a lot of time together every day for months, hanging out at parties, going to tournaments together, etc... that will lead to a romantic attraction. You can't reasonably raise someone to not develop an attraction to someone they are hanging out with all the time. Also, teenage boys are almost always going to accept sexual advances from a pretty girl regardless of how you raise them. You also said, _"I'm quite surprised she even got to fuck around even if everyone knew about her reputation"._ Again, the majority of men do not care about a girl's reputation if the girl is pretty. Unfortunately that is just biology.

[@NEOGEOMVS]

No lie, this was a great video. Well put together with good editing. This genuinely could be a series I see people wanting to see more of and potentially subscribing for more of it. A voice over I feel could also take this and future videos to the next level. Keep up the good work, I can’t wait to see you grow in the future!

[@BentNeatly]

Hmmmm🤔...

[@NEOGEOMVS]

@@BentNeatly I’m telling you, you got gold on your hands. I think even if you make videos on other things you like, people would still watch. Saw one of your video’s that you did voice over and your voice is pretty good sounding, you should go for it, your video was great! I even watched your Captain Zack video because I wanted to see another video like this one, and that was put together really well too.

[@pirateclick1d169]

@@NEOGEOMVS did you delete your videos?

[@Mojo__]

Competitive Smash: The one gaming community id never join. Full of weirdos.

[@halo3boy1]

and BO

[@thatanonwholurksmoar7386]

Dont forget the stench

[@diegocorral8787]

I'm still happy I joined the community, met a bunch of nice people there. Even if I'm not actively in it anymore, I still enjoyed watching people like MkLeo and Elegant. Funny enough, I'm considering coming back as I heard Nairo was innocent and he was my favorite and I feel really bad thinking he was in the wrong :/

[@sonof7yoshis]

@@diegocorral8787 we actually dont know if he was fully innocent

[@diegocorral8787]

@@sonof7yoshis He was unbanned from 2gg events so I'm assuming he won the court case. Hopefully he regains his twitch account as iirc twitch banned it.

[@purevocals510]

The fucking music you use flows so perfectly with the video. Good job on the beats bro

[@donaldmullikin6397]

Dude love the narrative focused videos without the fluff opinion commentary that all these other channels use. Its like watching a well made documentary.

[@AwfulTeamProductions]

Hopefully you keep up with these videos and do Zero next. I’m not rooting for these pervs, but these videos help me better understand the situation. Keep up the great work @Bent Neatly

[@jameswise7417]

Well made video in my opinion. Looked you up on spotify and i like what I am hearing.

[@jcerezo0averagegamer]

Upload this to other sites and the cloud today dude, she got a lawyer that might send cease and desist letters. This is important to keep online

[@FingRTwins]

We should all give her a round of applause for single handedly destroying the reputation of a game over 10 years old.

[@MarauderM00gi]

1 woman vs SEVERAL men? Really????

[@ashharkausar6921]

@@MarauderM00gi That's the power of a woman. Socially she's equal to 100 men. No exaggerating.

[@jasonlobo2350]

Its everyone fault not just her lol

[@BitchChill]

@@ashharkausar6921 Exaggerated swagger

[@Okenpo]

This was very well-executed. Thanks for putting this together.

[@sinfinite7516]

All I can say is that WaDi and CinnPie deserved each other I guess

[@ViewtifulJae]

Wait a minute lol I’m from Virginia....... I knew this girl!!! I didn’t know she even did any of this

[@yungsxma5578]

I’m also from virginia and I’ve been to virginia beach a couple of times during the time this was happening but with no public notice.

[@Luke-td2mm]

He went from looking like he was 9 at 14 to looking like he is 28 at 18

[@jerryvermillion933]

dimitri post time skip

[@ZenyaMKW]

This video needs more views, very well made

[@m3tr0idgrl]

This why I never got too involved with smash.... the community was always weird

[@matguimond92]

me either even though I use to juggle my friends with Toon Link in Brawl played Smash Ultimate and main pikachu but I don't play smash online. Don't want to be apart of some smelly smash player's youtube montage.

[@jorj2838]

goddamn this was really good investigation journalism work. please keep it up, i think learning about zero next would be good

[@olso3110]

The first few clips are so weird and make me so uncomfortable jesus. Didn’t know that it was this deep

[@flameking5671]

Holy shit..... the deeper you look into the Behind the Scenes of the Smash Community the darker and darker it gets for everyone

[@vla1ne]

Trust me, this is in just about every competitive field, smash simply happens to have the most "exposed" cases. The saddest thing about it are the people destroyed in the aftermath.

[@mrmookase93]

Vikki Kitty once gave me and my friends like 6 slices of pizza she couldn't finish. Always thought she was very 🙂

[@mehsanhafiz6729]

The music on this is phenomenal. Good job, man! Subscribed