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@peterlewis72282 жыл бұрын
Are you a woman? I'll have to take a closer look, if you let me. I don't know anything about axe handles ipso facto I am now a woman. God my wife is going to get a shock when I get home tonight! Love your work.
@inkandesk Жыл бұрын
@@peterlewis7228 I in fact know plenty about axes, and shall educate you, should you wish to become a man in the future. Now I am off to do manly things, like establish ridiculous claims about authors genders based entirely on the voice I made up for the narrator of a book in my head.
@stevelenores5637 Жыл бұрын
I had to think about this one for a while. Isn't more like the book proposing that Homer was written by a woman was itself written by a woman and used a male name as the author. The misuse of Greek in the wrong gender could have been a scribe instead of the original author. As to different authors, the stories could have had different sources and compiled by one author. Obvious neither story is literally true. The author might've used army veteran stories as sources for the Iliad and then follow up with a sequel using naval sailor stories. War stories and sea stories could have been embellished by the veterans and sailors themselves.
@helloMerrMerr2 жыл бұрын
I love how engaged you are. I feel like I’m just having a chat with a nice stranger I met at the library.
@whitepanties275110 ай бұрын
Hush! You are not meant to talk in libraries!
@ConradsStudio2 жыл бұрын
The variously attributed "Homer was not written by Homer, but by another man of that name" quote should always accompany this topic.
@nbenefiel Жыл бұрын
We have no idea who actually wrote down the Iliad and the Odyssey but we do know they were passed down orally for generations. They were meant to be chanted out loud.
@guaporeturns94725 ай бұрын
Ax or axe handles?
@jeremysmith46202 жыл бұрын
Maybe the real Homer was all the Greeks we met along the way. Probably not though.
@inkandesk Жыл бұрын
Or even the ones we made (up) along the way
@bouzoukiHOLLAND4 ай бұрын
Ομηρος family is een greek family in Athens. I know this family. The writer of Ιλιαδα and Οδυσσεια was a real person. He did not have red dark colour lips. Respect for the famous greek people.
@Professor_Fate2 жыл бұрын
We should be thankful that tik-tok didn't exist in the 19th century or he would have presented this theory while wearing bear ears and a button nose.
@sleekoduck2 жыл бұрын
He would have just said that Greece didn't exist.
@dragonmartijn2 жыл бұрын
@@sleekoduck And that Homer, just like Santa, was a Turk.
@blahahtheelder43432 жыл бұрын
Its been a few days since i saw the " rome didn't exist "vid. I cant seem to unsee that bear filter, or unhear that willfully ignorant snide voice trilling in my ear, or calm the frustration storm that now plagues my mind that such a video exists. I'm proud of our lady librarian for ,( as politely as possible) taking on such tripe without utterly losing her cool
@inkandesk Жыл бұрын
I would love the comment replies, “You absolute buffoons arguing in my comment section that this imagery is feminine are full of idiotic pretenses. Clearly it is incredibly masculine, what could be more masculine than adorning myself with the features of a massive predator like a bear or a tiger?”
@MarcAupiais2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed it. Please do more of these. My own view is that Homer was the one who finally wrote the stories down, but was part of a long tradition of poets. I base it on modern studies of poetry in oral based non-literate societies. The poem follows such a structure, and could have kept all the details of structure in doing so. It also has older words in it, interspersed. Much like if Shakespeare were suddenly to appear in your speech. That may suggest the ancient history was modernised. Also, plagiarism was not a big thing until recent times. Copying old masters was often part of becoming an artist. Blindness can also have degrees, and certain tricks can overcome certain types, such as only letting miniscule light hit the eyes. I really enjoyed your take on it and how you relay the sources. P.s. on the woman aspect, most art portrays arms of war incorrectly, right through the middle ages and back to Roman times. Artists would describe axes wrong. Also, until historically recently, women were seen as controlling the internal world, while men faced outside threats and got outside resources. The powerful women in the Iliad and Odyssey likely were accurate portrayals, and modern minds see the Trojan War as historical. Look at how women are portrayed in the Christian Gospels, all written by men. I like to think the female characters were just that amazing, and that Homer like a certain Roman who was exiled, simply really knew people well.
@AggelosKyriou2 жыл бұрын
He's also wrong about the axe handle thing. The way axe handles are described in Odyssey is historically correct. Axes of the modern typ connected to the handle by means of a eye/socket were an invention of the early iron age, probably by the Celts in Europe. Bronze age axes of Greece are fixed to the handle with one or more tangs through the wood (the three-tanged version is the so-called epsilon axe, similar in shape to the epsilon letter). And that means that there often were holes between the blade and the handle, through which Odysseus shot. Imagine an epsilon axe or a bardiche axe and it all makes sense.
@TheNeonParadox2 жыл бұрын
I had a professor who used to make a joke about this hypothesis. "Maybe a woman did write The Odyssey after all. No ancient man would ever make a story about a fellow man who was that horse-sh*t of a navigator." Some other students saw this joke as sexist, but it's clearly a joke about male hubris and sexism in ancient writing.
@AggelosKyriou2 жыл бұрын
The Odyssey is the most famous novel based on the lies a man tells his ex-woman when he has ghosted her for years and then comes back as if nothing happened.
@robinrobyn17142 жыл бұрын
You're unworthy of the name of Alexander the Great's horse.
@vandalcreed2 жыл бұрын
But it does sound perfectly like Odysseus was the original author of his tales.
@inkandesk Жыл бұрын
@@vandalcreed absolutely
@paxuspaine Жыл бұрын
This was pretty standard college fare in my experience. Many of my college professors enjoyed disparaging and denigrating men. Consider if this person claimed that a woman couldn't have written The Odyssey due to "female naivete" or other similarly dehumanizing nominalization. Disgusting, but unfortunately that's the society we live in. One that hates men.
@americantoadsarecool2 жыл бұрын
2000 years from now people are going to think some guy named “booktok” wrote an awful lot of books in 2022
@csco85862 жыл бұрын
*Thank you for making my morning.* My toddler kept me up all night, and I am struggling so hard right now. I saw your video and feel a little more accepting of this waking up business!
@CraftyVegan2 жыл бұрын
Hello fellow parent of a sleep-hating toddler! How are they doing now? Mine is 18 months and refuses to stay asleep longer than about 4 hours at a time, and all but refuses to nap during the day… I hope you’re getting more sleep now that your little is 5 months older
@jbear3478 Жыл бұрын
Has your bebe listened to her speak? When my son was younger he loved falling asleep to British accents.
@me4pie2 жыл бұрын
The axe handles are absolutely hilarious. I'm reading Moby Dick right now and 19th century logic is .... wild sometimes.
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
Moby Dick is my favourite of all time. I hope you enjoy it
@me4pie2 жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois The language is beautiful and its paced so well. I'm really happy I made the effort. Plus Queequeg is an absolute icon.
@Lucius19582 жыл бұрын
@@JenSell1626 Do. If you have the patience, it's quite rewarding.
@Lucius19582 жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois I have been standing in for Mr. Melville for quite a few years now, at Mystic Seaport: I have 'Loomings' down by heart.
@markwynne7252 жыл бұрын
@@williampotter3369. The funny thing is that the axe handles were being described correctly, but they were bronze age/early iron age axes with sockets and fastening loops on them. Something you could shoot an arrow through.
@scooteroz53372 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a video about Penelope from the Odyssey. It might be a bit of a basic topic but she's my favourite female character in classical mythology.
@douglasphillips58702 жыл бұрын
I had heard that the name Homer came from the idea that they weren't the original author, but the person who had written down the oral stories. They were similar to the Grimm brothers.
@zetazimmer47692 жыл бұрын
I love the idea that the Odyssey started as a cringe self-insert fanfic. What a proud tradition
@deitadocles2 жыл бұрын
I have just found out your channel and i'm really happy about it. It's simply marvelous the way you speak about the subjects, well supported, clear and entertaining. And i also loved your accent. Congratulations for the excellent work :)
@inaces12 жыл бұрын
Congratulations for the video. If i may suggest one idea a kind of series of videos on classical works with controversial ideas we didn't know. All the best
@AudreyDarling2 жыл бұрын
I love binging your channel ❤️ thank you for these gifts!
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@ladyraevendancer Жыл бұрын
I laughed so hard hearing our Lady Cinzia swear at the pronunciation of Melesigenes 😂😂❤
@katieravelle2 жыл бұрын
Loved this! And the thumbnail is just chefs kiss 😂
@kaiaedwards63427 ай бұрын
Found your account during my deap dive on homer after hearing that he might not have been a real person. Love your account!!
@owen69884 Жыл бұрын
Well done! And yes -- Martin West nailed it. So happy to hear him getting a shout-out here.
@plutoh99582 жыл бұрын
If he became blind later in life it was probably through cataracts which are very common in sunny areas and as people get older.
@misterknightowlandco2 жыл бұрын
This is why I love history and the classics. Full of mysteries that will never be 100% solved. Almost as if that’s the point of the study in the first place. Fascinating video. Thanks for sharing. Btw, I’m leaning towards that a lot of these classics were written by multiple authors and the authors names we know are really a type of publishing house of some sort. Just a thought.
@almostRyanMacleod2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the language vary too much for this to be true? I like the idea it's a cool thought.
@misterknightowlandco2 жыл бұрын
@@almostRyanMacleod I thought about too. If the group had one editor or proof reader, it’s possible but not probable to take care of that issue. I was a history teacher for awhile, until I found a better paying gig lol, and from what I’ve seen people back then we’re much more sophisticated than we like to think. Them having a similar structure to the modern world really isn’t that far of a stretch. I have no real evidence outside of observations like most of us though so like you said it’s an interesting thought lol
@mustplay72122 жыл бұрын
@@misterknightowlandco You have to remember that Homer probably never wrote as well. The Greek Alphabet probably came later, between 800 -600 BC, so the text itself must have been written by other people. Thats just my theory tho. The tales themselves arent books or texts, you have to remember that societies in the late bronze age told stories orally and not through texts. Meaning that the text we have is probably heavily modified or changed, which leads me to think we dont have the original stories. I found it cool that it have some similarities to what the Grimm Brothers did with germanic/german folklore, maybe it was a similar process? But who rly knows.. even the athenians didnt know or the romans.
@missdiction44552 жыл бұрын
Yes! Super stoked for another history video 💕
@bridgethealey71882 жыл бұрын
i’m reading the odyssey right now for my classics class and this video is so great
@davidge58566 ай бұрын
Coming in 2 years late, but WOW, thanks for the information! In return, I would recommend checking out "Homer's Secret Iliad" and "Homer's Secret Odyssey" (by Florence and Kenneth Wood). They put forth the extraordinary theory that both works (regardless of who wrote them) are in fact allegorical recordings of STELLAR observations. The Iliad details the precession of the zodiacal constellations through the ecliptic (the path of the sun by day and the constellations by night if I understand correctly), and The Odyssey details the phases of the moon. In other words, by ancient standards, The Iliad represented the (masculine) Sun and The Odyssey represented the (feminine) Moon. Without going into much detail - I highly recommend both "Homer's Secret..." books for their startling insights, and that The Odyssey's "feminine" perspective is natural to the work itself (although I'm by no means put off by the idea that it could've been written by a woman). On the surface, the Iliad is very appealing to masculine sensibilities - its about war, and the passions that drive men in general whether kings or servants - but on a deeper level, its about the various stars that make up the various constellations; major characters represent both single bright stars and entire constellations at times, while minor characters represent the dimmer stars around those figures (again, the details the Woods illuminate are mind-blowing). Likewise, on the surface, The Odyssey is perhaps more appealing to traditional feminine sensibilities - it's the romantic adventure of a man using every resource available (especially his mind) to find his way home to his beleagured wife - but on a deeper level, it's about the phases of the Moon, with each tale representing Odysseus' decline into darkness (the waning Moon), and his subsequent rise to overcome various challenges (the waxing Moon, and subsequent Full Moon). The Odyssey was said to be more popular among sailors, and if they were "initiated" into the deeper mysteries, it's not hard to see why. And finally, on the idea that Homer's works were part actual history, part examinations of human behavior in general, and part celestial allegory, it is FASCINATING to me that you said "Homer" may be a reference to blindness. What could be more fitting to the wealthy and literate elite than the revelation that deeper mysteries could be hidden in plain view, and only those with ears to hear or eyes to see could revel in those deeper levels of meaning. I love learning new things, and the origins of this legendary author were entirely new to me, so THANK YOU again
@poiu4772 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, thanks for sharing this, always interesting hearing new perspectives on history and the classics! Love the content!
@ladyofavalon Жыл бұрын
I love listening to your videos well I'm painting. Your voice helps me focus. You cover topics that absolutely fascinate me.
@hypatia47542 жыл бұрын
You've got to admire the 19th century literary man's backhanded compliment to women which manages to keep them in their place more firmly than before.
@dionnelatham44012 жыл бұрын
Have you considered doing voice over work? I would love some audiobooks with your voice.
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
I tried but I got constant rejection 😅 the professional audiobook people disagree - apparently my voice is not suited for audiobooks
@Normaschthewanderer2 жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois should reach out to Ian Gordon on KZbin. He used to host guest narrators on his channel.
@Duragizer87752 жыл бұрын
"Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Gal Incognito."
@elizabethdm73542 жыл бұрын
i was taught about the oral tradition theory in high school, didnt know there were more out there as i haven't studied classics post secondary. interesting stuff !
@tomj73822 жыл бұрын
Great video! I think most text that old went through similar processes to what we'd call open source
@Lucius19582 жыл бұрын
I have read 'Homer's Daughter', and find it an interesting novel. Whether the hypothesis behind it is true or not, I cannot say; but I do believe that 'Homer' may cover a long tradition of bards reciting traditional stories, using well-honed tropes. I seem to recollect that some Hittite(?) tablets had been found, describing the attack on 'Wilusa' in phrases very similar to those of Homer. After more than 2 1/2 millennia, I doubt that we will ever find any definitive answer.
@DrowSorcerer2 жыл бұрын
just came to find your page today and wow, that was an astonishing video. A massive amount of information explained in the smoothest, most inviting an engaging way possible. Being able to communicate like that, that's one hell of a gift. It's admirable.
@werdw48492 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your hard work! Love your style and the sources!!
@martianpudding95222 жыл бұрын
This is a wild guess but I could imagine that a name that translates to "blind" could easily be a forgotten term for "anonymous"? Like in a John Doe kind of way
@janicegagnon22942 жыл бұрын
Such a great video, I learned so much!
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
Thrilled to hear it! ♥️
@TerryOCarroll2 жыл бұрын
The Iliad and Odyssey were both written by Francis Bacon, He knocked them out in between writing Shakespeare's plays.
@meredithsmallwood2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video!! So interesting.
@MarinaUz2 жыл бұрын
This was super interesting! Great video 😊
@g.v.64502 жыл бұрын
Here’s a idea that I once heard: The “Trojan Horse” was Helen of Troy herself (or more accurately-itself.) as the Greeks referred to themselves as “Hellenes”, it was the steady absorption of Greeks and Greek culture into Troy (hence “Hellen” of Troy) that made them vulnerable to a Greek attack. The Greeks were thus already inside the walls of Troy when the attack came. Again, only based on literary speculation, but an interesting idea.
@SpartanLeonidas18212 жыл бұрын
Yes, but Helen & Hellen were two different people. One a Woman and the other was a Man whom all the Greeks descend from. Also in Greek Historiography they are spelled much differently: Ελενην = Helen in Homers Odyssey Ελλην = Hellen [Progenitor of all the Hellenes] Hope that Helps! 👍
@johndees49972 жыл бұрын
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 on top of that Greeks did not go by the name Hellenes until after the Iliad was written, as noted by Thucydides. Furthermore, the Trojan horse was attested by Virgils Aeneid, and it happens at the end of the war. So many dumb theories as if the answers don’t plainly exist if these people just read. Also, it’s no mystery about homer. He was a person, named also by both Herodotus and Thucydides and others, never referring to homer as a title but a person. These “theories” based on total ignorance drive me nuts.
@SpartanLeonidas18212 жыл бұрын
@@johndees4997 Well actually, there is a reference in Home to Panhellenes & Hellenes as well...but it seems thats when it started to come to fruition. Also the Greek Peoples were first called Graikoi and then adopted the name of Hellenes later...as Aristotle confirms
@johndees49972 жыл бұрын
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 yes mentioned as a specific group, not as all Greeks. The Greeks were called Achaeans, Argives, and Danaans
@JoshsBookishVoyage2 жыл бұрын
Love this and look forward to more ancient history videos.
@winterburden2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this fascinating information with us!! 🙆♀️
@lesliemoiseauthor2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing this conversation into the present. Very authoritative!
@jimmymullen30162 жыл бұрын
I was with you, albeit splitting a few hairs along the way, until the anonimity of the bard. From memory we have at least 2 bards named in the Odyssey which would seem out of place if their role in society was to be unknown singers of past deeds. Add to that Hesiod's victory and award at the funeral games of Amphidamas and even the incorporation of what seem to be almost self-contained poetic episodes in both the Iliad and the Odyssey and it seems there was a genuine interest in promoting and celebrating particularly skilled bards.
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean "with me"? I never made an argument - I merely presented several different arguments from different academics about who "Homer" was. There isn't one argument in this video - I presented an array of them so you can see the research. there was nothing to be "with me" about. The fact that two poems clearly written by two different people are under the same name is what causes so much mystery. Hesiod is straightforward, but why a bard called Homer is assigned two different poems is an interesting debate, especially considering my last point - that being West's argument that evidence shows they weren't put together under a very significant cultural and political movement in ancient Greece. Just a thought
@jimmymullen30162 жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois By "with you" I simply meant following the course of the different strands of research you were highlighting. It may have been better to say that I was happy following the debate until I ran into a brick wall of West's suggestion that until the text and notion that it was composed by Homer crystallised under the Peisistratids poets/bards were in principle anonymous.
@himbo_noa2 жыл бұрын
Love this content! Good to hear from you again, I hope you're doing okay. ❤
@tangentreverent48212 жыл бұрын
Being a Hesiodic rather than Homeric pagan, it warms the cockles of my heart to hear Hesiods works described as older. I don't speak German, but can still hear differences in German accents. Modern Germany has many reasons to have less differences in accent than Ancient Greece. So, it bugs me when people try to say that there is only one correct pronunciation for 4 ancient languages.
@mrpalmer64432 жыл бұрын
to be honest i came to this video with a preconceived notion that this would been a weird form of whinging and im always up to hearing diff veiw so i can arguing with in silence to myself lol i hope you dont take this wrong. this is wicked thoughful and a well reasoned break down, its refreshing, seeing how you go through your thoughts and own reading/reaserch you actively care i find that beauitful. i hope this doesnt found you thinking of me in a negative way. much love, from another stranger/wirdo on the internet.
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Though may I ask why you assumed this video would be me whingeing?
@luke282 жыл бұрын
Very interesting discussion, Cinzia, and well very well researched. I wasn't acquinted with the fact that some people ascribe Homer to be femine and I like how you frame this into the discussion of homer being multiple or one and the same author! Very glad yo have you challenge my brain again this year! ;)
@IUsedToBeSomeoneElseX Жыл бұрын
Would really like your take on "The Bedside Odyssey", especially as it's attributed to Homer _and Associates._
@ReadingNymph2 жыл бұрын
This was so interesting, your videos are so informative
@Red7Ent2 жыл бұрын
Based on my reading of the name in Greek, I believe the name is pronounced: meh-leh-see-gen-ACE with the "g" being a hard "g" like in the word game. So the word would be weighted toward the back with the emphasis placed on the last syllable, which would sound like "ACE" or perhaps "ICE" depending on the ancient dialect. :)
@AngryPict2 жыл бұрын
You briefly mentioned Robert Graves and his novel on Homer. Have you any views on him in general? Would be interested to hear your take on his mythic novels or even the execrable (in my humble opinion) White Goddess.
@wompa702 жыл бұрын
Yep, "the gods took his sight" is definitely the more interesting tale.
@emmareadsbooks96312 жыл бұрын
This gave me so much joy
@hannahbarteck26022 жыл бұрын
I needed this video today, thank you for uploading! Will you be updating us on your PhD soon?
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I have nothing to update on I'm afraid. Just working away on it XD I can't share details of my research so I'm not sure what to talk about. I'm uploading a study with me on my other channel this weekend though (:
@gnova72 жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois I love study with me vids :) super excited
@hannahbarteck26022 жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois Not being able to talk about the research would make it difficult to plan videos, haha!
@JamesDavidWalley2 жыл бұрын
I maintain that Homer's epics really written by Christine Marlowe.
@MrNektarios19732 жыл бұрын
In the Greek school we are taught that the epics of the Iliad and the Odyssey come from oral traditions of various rhapsodes that somewhere in the eighth century before Christ the famous blind rhapsode made them into written words. As for the different style between the Iliad and the Odyssey, this is attributed to the age difference that Homer had when he wrote them, as he wrote the Iliad when he was young and the Odyssey when he was older.
@patriziaalma7498 Жыл бұрын
Same in italian schools
@humanfromearth96712 жыл бұрын
"...this fking name..." Haven't heard anyone swear like that since I was in court.
@humanfromearth96712 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love you to bits, by the way. Keep doing what you're doing, it's people like you that keep me sane
@humanfromearth96712 жыл бұрын
ish
@majeczka7539512 жыл бұрын
The video: Super informative, well-researched and structured. My middle-school brain: "Lesbian dialect! You mean like pillow princess?"
@hemdatkislev26042 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love the classics videos
@okeynorcutt31482 жыл бұрын
This was fascinating. Thank you so much.
@kiranhussain5542 жыл бұрын
What a fascinating video, I really enjoyed this!
@Banerer2 жыл бұрын
That’s an interesting theory that I’ve never heard before.
@TheSarahJodi2 жыл бұрын
Such an interesting video! Thank you ⚡💗
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching 😊
@boki16932 жыл бұрын
Can someone please explain to me how I hated history in H.S. but the way it is done now in historical fictions, tv, books and movies, including this channel, I can't get enough. And am I the only one that thinks "The Lady of the Library" has a Bob Ross type of voice thats super relaxing and keeps you hanging on every word?
@nbenefiel Жыл бұрын
Homer was a compilation. The Iliad and the Odyssey were passed down orally for generations. That’s the reason for the alliteration in and the cadence of the Ancient Greek. It helped the storyteller to remember it correctly.
@erictaylor54622 жыл бұрын
If Homer wasn't real, how could he have been in the Devine Comedy?
@theblackswan23732 жыл бұрын
Remarkably pleasant, and engaging.
@DamienE11 Жыл бұрын
Robert Graves had a lot of very strange ideas about Ancient Greece. Look at the scholarly reaction to his version of The Greek Myths for example
@owen69884 Жыл бұрын
Also see Caroline Alexander's excellent translation of the Iliad (2016) for more on Homer and whether the Iliad was written (yes, it was).
@calebhowells11162 жыл бұрын
I find the idea that he lived in the seventh century BCE, not the eighth century BCE, by far the most convincing conclusion. Pottery depiction scenes from the Iliad only appear from the late seventh century onwards, even though scenes of the Trojan War in general go back to the early part of the seventh century. That indicates that the Iliad wasn't written until probably after the middle of that century.
@richardbidinger25772 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos because you go into such detail which makes them easier to understand.
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad!
@Duececoupe2 жыл бұрын
If we all read more classic literature, I'm sure we'd have a better world....as much as I love classic movies, you can not beat a good book! 🥰😍😎
@abulkalam2671 Жыл бұрын
the you, clear concise and well researched
@kingbeans69476 ай бұрын
As a greek who has readen the odessy many times i know that there are a lot of theories but homer that was a man and blind is the more logistical anser because if a woman wrote it she whouldn't have putten so many woman falling in love with odessyes more like the opsisset whould happend and at the and odessyes whould have to leave them. also we know homer was blind because he didn't explain diferent things only normal things that you whould see in a normal day he explained how they look for an exampel when hermes goes to the island that calepso was on.Awsome video btw.
@idab26052 жыл бұрын
I Love this kind of content:) thanks
@h.c.87312 жыл бұрын
When you get your classics degree, they teach you that what we read now is a conglomeration/synthesis of hundreds of different written versions of the odyssey/Iliad (Keeping the most common parts etc). It’s from this process we get the current academically accepted view that these stories came from story telling ‘festivals’ (originating in Athens, but spread most everywhere in Greece). Homer means, essentially, (plural) Anonymous.
@Mih_Soares Жыл бұрын
I LOVE, and think it's so funny 😂, that this guy and his theory are "just" one more evidence of the inherent desire/ hability that humans have... To FanFiction about ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, AT ANYTIME 🤣🤣🤣 And he even inspired others to develop even more fanfics about it 😂😂😂
@jimstormcrow2 жыл бұрын
Far from plain. This was sooo interesting.
@sambailie47732 жыл бұрын
Cinzia, you should start a book club xx
@QZaccardelli2 жыл бұрын
I love your channel sooo much
@TheAnneBonney2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this is really interesting 💕
@vandalcreed2 жыл бұрын
I like the theory that it could've of been Odysseus himself that was the original teller of such tales.
@atimidbirb2 жыл бұрын
Have you considered doing a video on Helen? you did a lot on Heracles. Obviously this would need more research but still xD
@callmedavid96962 жыл бұрын
Would love more videos on the evidence/arguments for if historical figures existed/were who we think they were
@TheAnadromist2 жыл бұрын
I am glad you don't know how to use an axe. That means you don't have an axe to grind. Thanks for your thoughtful intelligent videos.
@TheScandoman2 жыл бұрын
Actually, 'having an axe to grind' is not a metaphor for preparing for vengeance, but, rather, struggling with the humiliating prospect of asking for a favor by endeavoring, in advance, to indebt the grantor to yourself. I.e. you are dealing with someone in a rather falsely gracious manner, as you have an ulterior motive, whether it is transparent, or obscure.
@Anon265352 жыл бұрын
Given the statement "Homer was a blind, illiterate man" there are historians who would dispute every single word, with the possible exception of "was".
@Joyride37 Жыл бұрын
Could you comment on the Trojan Cycle/Epic Cycle and why all the other epics besides the Iliad and the Odyssey are lost except for fragments? Also what the relative date for the other epics were, since I don't think they're all attributed to Homer.
@TerryOCarroll2 жыл бұрын
So the Spartans considered themselves descended from Herakles? I remember hearing somewhere that they mostly went around naked with just a single cloak, like Heracles with his lion skin. I wonder if they were consciously trying to imitate Herakles?
@laisphinto63722 ай бұрын
Lots of greek polis LARP as the real Descendants from Herakles , you have of course Sparta then you have thebes
@Bonko782 жыл бұрын
This seems to be an exhaustive subject. Mabe even enough for a P-oddcast?
@erictaylor54622 жыл бұрын
Why is the notion that gay men are not masculine? Rock Hudson was quite well known for being masculine. Many men in Hudson's era aspired to be as "manly" as Rock Hudson. Though not known outside of Hollywood Rock Hudson was quite well known for being gay inside Hollywood. The idea that a gay man can't be masculine or is, by default, in touch with his feminine side is just wrong. If you see a masculine gay man you will likely just conclude that he is straight. The gender you identify with and your sexual orientation are two very separate things.
@pc9432 жыл бұрын
Love the thumbnail 💄
@Opa-Leo Жыл бұрын
As per the Oracle of Delphi - the most authoritative information center of the ancient Greek world: “He is from Ithaca, Telemachus is his father and Epikaste is his mother, who bore of all the mortals the most wise man. He was born enlightened and will bring knowledge to mortals.". "Ἕδος δ' Ἰθακησίος ἐστίν, Τηλέμαχος δὲ πατὴρ καὶ Νεστορέη Ἐπικάστη μήτηρ, ἥ μιν ἔτικτε βροτῶν πολὺ πάνσοφον ἄνδρα. Οὗτος ἐγεννήθη φάος τ' ἐς ἀνθρώπους ἤγειρε." Telemachus: The son of Odysseus Epikaste: The youngest daughter of Nestor
@anthonyperdue35572 жыл бұрын
👏Excellent presentation , so enjoyable that three viewings were nutritional satisfaction for the mind. I choose to appreciate the conclusion that both genders offered their perspectives on this historical account as I choose to attribute the complexities inherent in cave drawings as unmistakably involving feminine participation. As I've said it before your voice enriches the presentation. 👏!
@MikkiProductions2042 жыл бұрын
I loved this!
@dipstick38812 жыл бұрын
Came for a video about the Simpsons. Got something different.
@williamtayor95302 жыл бұрын
Haven't watched yet, but had to fess up to my total doufussess about the title. When I read it i wad like, "wait what, Homer Simpson isn't real is he." Doh! 🤣
@SpartanLeonidas18212 жыл бұрын
I Love your Channel! Do you speak Greek?
@CinziaDuBois2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! But no, I don't XD I don't speak any other languages, unfortunately. I have primitive Latin and French reading skills, but zero linguistic skills
@SpartanLeonidas18212 жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois I was so curious, I just had to ask! There are so many great translations & resources of Ancient Literary Works now a days that its not necessary, but one still has to put a lot of time and effort to research and read a lot (not too hard if its one of your Passions of course). All three videos Ive seen up till now have all been absolutely Amazing! You are so thorough & precise in your explanations. Bravo Cinzia..Love your Content!!! 🙌🏻
@yvonne5305 ай бұрын
The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian, but continue to be used. From Homer you can get not only words, but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek. Title: Unconquerable Albania Author : Christ Anton Lepon Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944