CIRRUS VISION JET vs ECLIPSE JET: Which Should I Buy?

[@CobusDerrenberg]

Trust me, the Eclipse 550 is LOOSE HANDS the winner in literally all aspects ! Just amazing: Fuel cons great even though its a twin, performance and ceiling is AWESOME ! No weather concerns up high ! LOVE IT 🤗👍✨ Get the twin 🏆👍✨

[@aj3289]

You may want to double-check your fuel capacity units... g'day

[@stevemyers2092]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@azcoyote007]

2000 gallons of fuel is impressive. Pounds dude. Come on. And he reversed the speeds as well.

[@thefamilywork3410]

They both burn about 70 gph. You'd be in a 2 seat LSA to get 4.9 gph.

[@TonyJavierTV]

I had my team pull numbers and didn’t double check when I spit these off. My SR22T burns 17 in cruise so should have caught that.

[@rickdc3]

The Eclipse only burns 55-60 gph while flying 50 knots faster.

[@salcirruspilot4998]

As a pilot, how do you get the fuel burn so wrong?

[@TonyJavierTV]

That’s what happens when you have a million things going on and have your team get you numbers. I just spit them off to be honest without thinking about it. Lesson learned.

[@Wkcrt]

From my understanding the 1st gen honda jet is kinda like the vision jet in terms of performance as well. Take a look at one of the Embraer Phenom 100s, it’s the only in it’s class(“very light jet”) to have a full lavatory, without the lav I believe you can replace it with another seat and have 6 full seats. It’s Single pilot rated so you could always stick a trustworthy passenger in the right seat. It’s got the g1000 setup with a separate AP, and some sort of keyboard like the cirrus, coupled to the MFD/PFD I presume. It’s MTOW is around 10,000lbs. (It may even have a STC gross weight increase) Take off roll around 3,400ft at MTOW and the landing roll should be about the same. The TAS is around 380kts or Mach 0.66(so a little bit on the slower side) however it’s max ceiling is FL410, and the range should be right at 1300NM. It’s got a pretty good time to climb at FL370 of 23mins. Burns about 70gal an hour at cruise. Holds around 400gal. Has 2 Prat and Whitney’s (PW600) producing 1,700lbs of thrust each engine. You should be able to find some used ones built around 2009-10 for around 2millon, of course maintenance for the used jet has to be taken into consideration. Although I don’t think it has reversers so at least that’s one less system to pay upkeep on.😂 (could always look at the Embraer phenom 300, I think it’s a 9-10pax jet so it goes into the light business jet class, and of course is a bit more expensive.)

[@TonyJavierTV]

I think Honda Jet is way more expensive. Phenom is on my list to look at but I don’t think it’s nearly as economical. Good to think about these!

[@weiSane]

Wait, so Cirrus could literally make bank if they increased the size of the cirrus jet slightly, gave it capability to fly higher like 41FL and gave it some more range. While keeping its unique selling point of safety (the parachute and the auto land ) ?????

[@keitha.davidson5675]

I have owned an Eclipse 550, Cirrus SR22, and currently own a Piper M600. Switching to a Cirrus Vision Jet this year. I would strongly recommend you stay away from the Eclipse. It has no real service support (we had to fly it to Vegas from San Diego every time there was an issue, and there were MANY issues). The costs of maintaining the Eclipse were huge and it was never quite right. Plus, it does not go that much farther because you are using twice the amount of fuel (two engines vs. one), especially when below FL 300--it gulps fuel like crazy. Buy a new Vision Jet with all the warranty and maintenance coverage and you'll never have a bad day. Buy an Eclipse and set aside an extra $1 million for maintenance and repair costs and be prepared to be AOG for at least 25% of the each year. Plus, Cirrus Vision Jet has Garmin 3000. Eclipse uses its own proprietary system that is not half as good or modern. BTW, a turbo prop is all around more capable than any light jet. Piper M600/M700 and TBM 960 will beat any light jet in terms of all around usability in useful load, range, fuel burn, and high and hot scenarios. But the Vision Jet is more comfortable than the M600 and the TBM is a good $1 million or more in purchase price. So compromises must be made unless you have unlimited budget.

[@TonyJavierTV]

Thanks for the input! Interesting enough I keep my airplane in San Diego and I told coast flight center I was thinking about the eclipse 550. He told me about the maintenance issues that I still need to check into. I know there are pros and cons of every airplane. I have thought about the TBM or even a Pilatus. Lots to research and lots to think about before making the decision. And waiting for bonus depreciation to come back.

[@keitha.davidson5675]

@@TonyJavierTV That's where we keep our Piper M600 N46AD (KMYF). Coast Flight told us NOT to buy the Eclipse and we did anyway. Then sold it five months later for the M600. And you are right, there is no one perfect airplane. There's always compromises. If we are both at Coast at some point we should talk. Would love to hear your opinions on your buying decision journey.

[@TonyJavierTV]

Jared told me that he told a customer not to buy it, and they regretted it. Must’ve been you! Would be cool to meet up sometime. Here’s my Facebook profile if you wanna shoot me a message. Www.facebook.com/tonyejavier

[@keitha.davidson5675]

@@TonyJavierTV haha! Yep that was us! I’ll shoot you a message.

[@jjsifo1]

Old pilot here , get a twin.

[@marcusjamesOG]

The seat configuration in the Cirrus Vision Jet is changeable. You can opt for 6 seats and add more cabin space if needed. Not to mention Cirrus interior makes Eclipse look like a rental car. I would put the safety of the Cirrus above the extra performance capabilities of the Eclipse.

[@shardie78239]

I like the eclipse but interior is bad. I think I’d look at used 100EX or older Honda Jet. The cool thing about Honda Jet is the that you can buy one used and they are scalable, by adding upgrades the others can’t do. They do this so you can keep them longer, and resale is excellent!

[@andresan21]

Why not a piston airplane like a 2025 Daher TBM 960? It seems it covers all your requirements.

[@jdotsalter910]

That's not a piston plane. Or is this a backhanded slur against tprops lol.

[@tomnasser4720]

Both are great jets. There’s pros and cons to both. I love my vision baby jet because it suits my missions perfectly. I don’t need to fly to 41,000 feet. As others have already pointed out. You made several mistakes on fuel burn and gallons per hour. It’s also a G 3000 and not a G 1000. Cirrus Aircraft is much stronger as a company compared to eclipse.

[@TonyJavierTV]

Vision jets are great! I guess if you have short missions. Anything longer than about two hours I would probably go with an eclipse or a phenom. Yes my numbers were off. I see that now.

[@BonanzaPilot]

eclipse is a real jet. It can go to FL410. Cirrus jet has has single engine turboprop performance with light jet runway requirements and payload, not a good deal.

[@TonyJavierTV]

@bonanzapilot I agree. If they fixed the payload it would be a tougher choice but Eclipse wins this one.

[@stevemyers2092]

@@TonyJavierTV Ill take a second engine over a parachute any day.

[@marcusjamesOG]

The range on this vision jet is actually a little longer than the eclipse. Plus in a medical emergency it will land itself. Thats bad ass. Safety over performance all day long.

[@BonanzaPilot]

@@marcusjamesOG take a closer look at the numbers. Eclipse jet is doing that range at 400 knots and as high as 41k feet. cirrus jet is making it over 1000nm at 250 knots at 25k feet with only 1 person on board... Autoland is a cool party trick but altitude speed and a second engine is preferred over a parachute and an autoland feature

[@terrarecon]

@@BonanzaPilot I agree with you to a point. But between currently produced aircraft versus something no longer in production, I would rather take a VisionJet just because of who the company is, regarding parts, service etc. However, don't mistake my meaning. If we are talking about brand new or at least used but the model is still in production, well I am considering the HondaJet after a thorough evaluation of my needs.

[@Petemitchell0341]

Buy a used Pilatus PC12. WAY bigger, more payload and you can have a bathroom. Yes slower but not crammed in flight. So much room for activities!

[@timothycheuvront8284]

The Eclipse (which I considered when it was first introduced) is now a Frankenstein's monster of an aircraft. Pieced together in what is not a cohesive package. Would definitely look at resale values.

[@anthonyvega1959]

The sf50 has a fuel capacity of 296 gallons not what you said

[@MikeB-in1nd]

Regarding the parachute how many of those resulted in injuries

[@stevelee3001]

Very few actually. Even so, an injury beats death any day! I’ve been t-boned by a drunk driver and flipped two times. Air bags deployed. I can tell you they hurt like hell but I’ll take that over being thrown through a windshield.

[@JoshuaAmaro]

Did they die though?🤣🤣🤣

[@shardie78239]

Hey Scott here. You might want to check out Flaris Lar 1 jet. Looks like cirrus but cooler. Interior is awesome. 2.5 mil

[@keljaz6616]

... heck of an airplane. Hopefully it goes to production. Thanks!

[@agustinmisaza]

You should consider the Premier 1A. 460kts, 41,000 ceiling, single pilot. A hot road and for similar $$. And made by Beechcraft a sign of the best quality. Low points, not in production, not easy to get parts.

[@TonyJavierTV]

Never heard of it but I’ll check it out! At first looks from google it’s not super sexy but 460 kts sounds amazing.

[@agustinmisaza]

@@TonyJavierTV sorry not 460 but max speed 451, is Mach .8, wouldn’t get those numbers on a Cirrus or eclipse. It costs more to operate but check it out. Have some friends that have it and they love this bird.

[@rickdc3]

I have looked into it, but the operating cost is easily 2X the Eclipse. They also don't sell, with average time on the market of over a year, and you risk being AOG with part issues. Parts on the Eclipse are good right now with no AOG jets currently. I used to own a Honda Jet and would go back to that if 2X the operating cost wasn't an issue.

[@terrarecon]

I'm glad you mentioned the Premier 1A. If we are going to talk about planes no longer in production, that is the top pick in my mind. The 550 Eclipse does not even come close.

[@sameersmerchant]

Eclipse is twin. I would go with that

[@stevemyers2092]

beats a parachute anyday

[@BernieGolgo13]

Phenom 100EV or 300E. I worked on them when I was at Embrear Mesa AZ. Phenom 100s and 300s have a toilet.

[@Assassin1959]

Cirrus 2000 gal? or 2000 lbs of fuel? I think now the new Cirrus SF50 has the Garmin 3000.

[@highendaudio]

You missed a step in between your 22T and 550: a turbine. A proper turbine may have been a better option all around when you look at performance and more importantly, cost of ownership. My two cents.

[@lyimoej7198]

I LOVE THE LOOK OF CIRRUS

[@oralivingco.5669]

What about the Honda Jet?

[@saqibmunir7609]

For me in all honesty is the parachute system I rather have it and never use it then not have it and need to use it

[@quazz79]

Okqy that picture you keep using is an Embraer Phenom 100 not an Eclipse

[@NikosWings]

Good luck finding an Eclipse 550 and good luck with the maintenance and insurance costs

[@rickdc3]

Several mistakes. The Eclipse burns 55-60 gallons per hour at 350knots (and you confused total gallons with pounds). The Cirrus burns 70 at 300 knots. The operating cost of my Eclipse is $700/hr INCLUDING the engine program. For 100 hrs/year, most people spend $120-150k total, including all maintenance, on an Eclipse (my first year, including maintenance and insurance, has come in at $120k). Cirrus will probably cost double. Eclipse has centerline thrust, and even pulling one engine right at Vr is a non issue with an easy takeoff and climb. Losing the engine on the Cirrus at 200 ft is probably a death sentence, and coming down in the parachute in the middle of nowhere in the Rockies at night would be a nightmare. Going from a turboprop to a jet, I can tell you that the ability to fly at FL410 is a VERY big deal to get over weather. You are making a good choice. I don't understand why so many people buy the Cirrus jet - they must not do any research before they buy.

[@TonyJavierTV]

You are correct. I had my team pull these numbers and didn’t double check. My wife’s Mercedes burns 4.9 GPH lol. Although the $2,000 an hour includes hangar, loan costs and everything included which I understand varies by how much you fly. Good to hear from an eclipse owner. I think Cirrus does a great job marketing which is why I bought my Cirrus SR22T.

[@stevemyers2092]

they like the ICON interior.... give me the performance and safety of the 550 any day - Happy for you that you own one. a few years I will be able to afford one easily but i will be too old for medical i think - 70 now. and only Commercial Single Engine Land and Sea.

[@AndyWilson-q5n]

No offense to the poster, but so many errors in this. Neither plane has a fuel capacity as stated, more like 10% of posted values (296 gallons). The vision has the G3000, not the G1000, both planes have almost identical range and payload, exact same total thrust. Unlikely to fly further in one over the other. The avionics in the Eclipse are a mix of clunky Frankenstein offerings, autopilot disconnects with mild turbulence (a big problem in RVSM airspace), no VBAV capability, and challenged support. Lots missing and so many facts dead wrong.

[@randypennel3731]

My ideal Jet is the 550 and I would only fly around maybe 2500 to 3000 miles per year.

[@Williamb612]

outstanding review!!

[@LegendaryOldwarrior]

Where you able to add a bathroom? My wife has small bladder so she wouldn't make it long on either plane lol.

[@rbradominican]

on the picture is a mistake. is not a eclipse 550. that picture is a embraer phenom 100.

[@isaiasrozentul2108]

TWO engines will always be better than one, I choose the eclipse.

[@marcusjamesOG]

The Eclipse needs 2800 ft to land. The vision only needs 1638. This is great for emergency landings and more access to small airports

[@basenji7]

How come so many people have had to pull the parachute on the Cirrus? That worries me.

[@jeanfrancois7344]

2 of my favorite airplane but i would go with the Eclipse 550

[@JamR0ck]

Can you buy a brand new eclipse?

[@TonyJavierTV]

As far as I know yes.

[@stevemyers2092]

no

[@stevemyers2092]

On October 10, 2018, One Aviation announced it had voluntarily filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.[24][25][26] Citiking International, a Chinese-supported company, acquired the company; and the acquisition was cleared on March 9, 2020.[27] However, in February 2021, it was reported that those efforts were ultimately unsuccessful and that the company's Chapter 11 reorganization case had been converted to a Chapter 7 bankruptcy liquidation process, with United States-based company AML Global Eclipse LLC maintaining support for all current Eclipse aircraft under the name Eclipse Aerospace, Inc.

[@stevemyers2092]

@@TonyJavierTV where? On October 10, 2018, One Aviation announced it had voluntarily filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.[24][25][26] Citiking International, a Chinese-supported company, acquired the company; and the acquisition was cleared on March 9, 2020.[27] However, in February 2021, it was reported that those efforts were ultimately unsuccessful and that the company's Chapter 11 reorganization case had been converted to a Chapter 7 bankruptcy liquidation process, with United States-based company AML Global Eclipse LLC maintaining support for all current Eclipse aircraft under the name Eclipse Aerospace, Inc.

[@rickdc3]

@@stevemyers2092 Yes and No. Two new jets came off the production line last year. 5 jets are in construction awaiting engines, but will probably be bought by the person who currently owns the company.

[@NikosWings]

Wait a minute, your fuel burn and fuel capacity numbers are waaaaaaaaayyyyy off. What’s up with that?

[@andik2329]

Buy an old Learjet 25 for cheap. There are companies that completely redo the jet. New engines with significantly lower fuel consumption, higher speed, modern avionics, paint and so on. I heard that this complete redo is approximately $2M.

[@davidjennings75]

Please post the companies that you heard of that do that I'm interested in that possibility.

[@nossonyoffe3805]

What about the citation mustang ever thought about that one ?

[@TonyJavierTV]

Definitely going to look at citations in the future. They aren’t quite as economical unfortunately.

[@TonyJavierTV]

What do you love most about the mustang? Talk me into it.

[@nossonyoffe3805]

@@TonyJavierTV Number 1 I would say is the looks it definitely looks like a real jet as opposed to the Eclipse 500 and cirrus vision jet Number 2 it has more range Number 3 it’s faster then both the eclipse and cirrus vision Number 4 the price tag you can find a used one not too old in very nice condition for around the same price as the eclipse If your looking for a brand new mustang they go for around $3M and depending on options it will be a little more , the draw back is the operating cost of the mustang is going to be a little more then the other 2 jets , just that in itself is a very big drawback

[@nossonyoffe3805]

@@TonyJavierTV I personally really like the looks of the mustang over the eclipse, I guess the phenom 100 will be in the same category as well

[@TonyJavierTV]

⁠@@nossonyoffe3805I will check into it! Thanks for the input. Phenom would be awesome too but may be a bit more pricey.

[@JustSayN2O]

Piper M700 Fury, then wait for Cirrus to build a twin jet

[@cougarlove8542]

I agree with the assessment

[@terrarecon]

The Cirrus corporation still exists and is a powerhouse in general aviation. Cirrus VisionJet wins.

[@frederickhalljr8947]

Good Choice

[@jonathanspindler4910]

Avadyne 😬 … i would check that fact … you mean Arrive …

[@benjaminsmith4531]

So many things were wrong in this video. How do you not double-check or do more research before producing something like this?

[@TonyJavierTV]

That is my mistake. I own many businesses and tried to provide a value withthis KZbin channel so mistakes can be made. I will definitely validate numbers that my team puts together and make these videos much better in the future.

[@thecaptaincurt_]

So you’re thinking about my favorite jet?!

[@TonyJavierTV]

Which is your favorite?

[@thecaptaincurt_]

@@TonyJavierTV eclipse 550. Great comparison video though!

[@TonyJavierTV]

Very nice! Seems like the most efficient single pilot jet and easy to fly.

[@mixter7x7]

I have a customer who owns the Eclipse. Parts are not easy to find. Standard repairs are not allowed on the Eclipse airframe. It has milled frames that are UBER expensive to replace ( if you can find them at all ) if they crack, corrode or get damaged. Another of my customers sent his Eclipse to SCRAP because the cost to repair the corrosion on the airframe was going to be more than the aircraft was worth. There are a number of electronic servo actuators on the aircraft that require the proprietary computer and OS to calibrate. Cannot be done without the computer. Not good. Eclipse also defaulted into bankruptcy . Eclipse / Kestral and now One aviation are in bankruptcy. As long as you go in with a realistic expectation.

[@charliegardner2098]

The Honda has an auto land

[@merlepatterson]

Obviously, one can't afford a Vision Jet from a YT channel subscription based under 1.5k subs.

[@TonyJavierTV]

That’s funny. There’s way more ways to make money than KZbin.

[@merlepatterson]

@@TonyJavierTV Oh, I know. The information or tech industry is just one of the lucrative ways to fill your pocket book. But I'm not question it.

[@samuelfitzpatrick9739]

Tbm 960 is good value for money

[@TonyJavierTV]

Yes, checking into that as well!

[@Irontrucker]

Phenom 100EX

[@stevemyers2092]

Eclipse 550 all the way.........even John Travolta has one.

[@shawnmclaughlin7418]

I'm gonna talk about this a little bit later

[@charliegardner2098]

Yeah but the series will not carry the weight of the other jet

[@chadgriffith5819]

My comment was uncalled for and i apologize. A PA32.

[@TonyJavierTV]

@chadgriffith5819 Thanks for watching and commenting. I do these videos so I can learn more. I 100% own a Cirrus but only have over 100 hours of flight time. I’m definitely not a professional and don’t claim to be one. I have another pilot fly with me that really knows what they are doing because I’m just learning. Thanks for the feedback.

[@TonyJavierTV]

I’m curious what a typical Cirrus owner is. What do you own?

[@pedro-rodriguespt]

Cirrus Jet is not 1.9 millions?

[@Mario-h3o6m]

you're right the vision jet really looks like a fish

[@GregRutkowski]

Eclipse 550

[@JoshuaAmaro]

Just get a Honda jet Elite ii

[@charliegardner2098]

Girl with a Honda it's got a bathroom

[@williamhammond3998]

The vision jet sucks. The slow speed doesn’t even approach justification for the ridiculous fuel burn. Can’t climb, can’t haul, and can’t go anywhere with more than two people on board. People get way too caught up in wanting a “jet”. Really in this price range, you are way better off with some of the fast single engine turbo props.

[@stevecarroll6760]

Come on man, ditch both for a Phenom 300

[@charliegardner2098]

Honda Elite 2

[@Jclark240]

2000 gallons You mean lbs

[@NRB-mb7jc]

Easy answer. Get a TBM.

[@rangefreewords]

AW609

[@bburrett]

Your fuel burn figures are off by about 10x....

[@TonyJavierTV]

Yep! Didnt double check numbers my team put together.

[@taywest7287]

Error 4:33 😂

[@yacahumax1431]

If the Eclipse starts to go down, you are going to wish you had the cirrus parachute. I think pilots put too much trust in those engines. I see full families dying in a single plane. If I ever have the money to buy a plane, It will have a parachute. If something goes wrong, I can tell my kids, "dont worry", and pull that sucker.

[@jetpilot2366]

You say you see people dying in singles but the Eclipse is not a single. I agree the Parachute is the way to go though.

[@fideldevivo1875]

2000 gals?? You mean pounds. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@robertguthrie6561]

2000 Gal fuel capacity? LOL

[@TonyJavierTV]

We could only wish right? I meant pounds.

[@markf.2050]

Oh, what a dilemma the super privileged have!

[@websterhumphreys8744]

this guy here is just debating which million-dollar plane to buy while I am here struggling to pay for flight training smh. I hate it here!

[@newbievonnewberson7390]

Lame video lol. Half the video is "but I'll talk about that later" to drag you through all the bad data and "but this one makes me feel like a real jet pilot" girl math style emoting.

[@aaronmuller5891]

Literally everything you say is wrong man. Better go watch some other videos.

[@TonyJavierTV]

Everything? lol.

[@chrisrichards9745]

Delete this video. You are way off on so many things and you are wasting peoples time. Please educate yourself before you speak.

[@yurimoros]

The eclipse is extremely hard to go spin

[@TonyJavierTV]

That’s good to know!