Citizen Pulls Officer Over - Full Original

[@GavinSeim]

Here's the result is this video. Grant County marked over a dozen cars within a month as police agencies all over the State worked to get compliant with the law, though some still openly violate it. Millions across the nation and beyond became aware of the dangers of officers using unmarked cars and State legislators are having to address the issue as regular people question the narrative of secret cops when they realize the danger to our families. Some want us to worship cops instead of standing up for our rights. Some want to excuse them because they are polite. This officer is in fact not a good cop. Here's a video from a few months earlier of him laughing on body camera about them abusing a man until he died... kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHS9q2ZsidtreMU Let us know how writing letters goes. We'll show you know how standing up and really loving our community goes. Asking permission for justice never works. Defending it does.

[@nicholemiles8847]

Gavin Seim I would love to email you if you don't mind giving me your email. You seem to be well-educated with the law. I do live in Georgia so I'm sure some of the laws are different but last year September 30th my brother-in-law was in a very suspicious motorcycle wreck that snapped his neck off of his body and cracked his helmet wide open and he landed in the grass you can see from the skid mark his skidmarks stopped about 3 in from the grass and I guess that's just when he started to flip his girlfriend was supposedly following him but he got pulled over by a cop and it was some relation to her but we just think it's very suspicious. It was five days after he had his first child with her but she already had a boyfriend and our family seems to believe she had him killed and her van was completely fine there was nothing wrong with it but shortly after his wreck she had her bumper changed on her car and it was of course a brother-in-law of hers that worked at a Auto Parts garage and changed it for her and there was absolutely nothing wrong with her bumper. We truly truly believe either she ran him over or the officer ran him over they don't want to release you know his motorcycle his helmet police footage gbi has all of that and pretty much after his funeral his mom had no suspicions even though all of her stories did not match up to what she would tell me and my sister-in-law's and other family members so if you could drop an email or if you're interested and helping me you can email me at [e-mail] Everybody that reads this please don't send me any bullshit emails this is very serious and it's still really fresh and new it's kind of hard to believe he's dead and on October 4th of last year my the grandmother passed away so I had two very close family members passed within days of each other so please do not send me any dumb messages or anything crazy if you have advice and you know the laws here in Georgia feel free but please no dick pic nothing crazy I'm a lesbian so I do not want to see your dicks in any way. Thank you so much and hopefully I will receive an email from you and I will tell you more of the story

[@nicholemiles8847]

I completly agree with what you're doing. Happy something was done.

[@alfredososa6485]

Gavin Seim good job I love your videos bro

[@seasickcaptain5249]

You are the most stubborn piece of shit I have ever seen

[@dajokerjr]

@@seasickcaptain5249 you can't break the law why can the cop? The guy is kinda being a dick but he is right

[@panicprone11]

This cop was actually very mild mannered, I like his kindness

[@panicprone11]

Cyndy Bennett I'm not into dudes, but yeah

[@takingu2skoo]

Bernie C. omg. lol

[@ynotbloom]

+Bernie C. , this cop was very mild mannered, but was probably laughing his &^* off as he drove away from Mr. Expert here.

[@CheckTheDriveTrigger]

+Tony Bloom The officer may have been laughing as he left, but as a human being, we cant help what comes into our private thoughts. The most important thing in my opinion, is that he kept he calm, kept the encounter professional, and did not show any signs of disrespect. There are so many officers who simply lose their composure, which leads to abuse of authority, but this officer is very well mannered and professional.

[@TheCrimson147]

+Cyndy Bennett TG I'm not the only one who thought that way.

[@xadam123]

Officer: AM I BEING DETAINED?

[@tishkerrville8942]

Hahahaahhaa

[@earthsurfer13]

No shit right.

[@ric7053]

Did the officer ask that?

[@xadam123]

***** no its a joke because all these law nuts that get stopped on purpose always say that

[@ric7053]

Haha yeah I hear you

[@Lenny3669]

Once again, this would have gone VERY differently without a video camera.

[@GavinSeim]

Why would you engage a public official without a video camera. That would be foolish?

[@ThomasNux]

Gavin Seim Free knots on the head and room and board? All I can think of...

[@Riskbreaker_Riot]

Gavin Seim Do you stream your videos to clouds or any off phone storage? In case something does happen to the phone.

[@bookbinder66]

Gavin Seim whats stopping him taking it off you , i hope your streaming to some storage site

[@GavinSeim]

Sadly the streaming tools are less then reliable still and I need to know I can rely on something. In tense situation I'll have multiple cams. My general approach is a password protected phone. Even if they impound it, they could not remove the video short of pretty much grinding up the phone. While that could happen, most officers don't want to mess with destruction of evidence. It's a class C felony. Also their car cams are recording. Bad things can happen, but I use the best tools I can, I start on my knees and stand on my feet. I would never willingly give them the video. People do not understanding how much asserting yourself over your employes changes the game.

[@dwaynewilliams6]

this officer is cool as hell

[@mikecemazar3597]

A citizen has no authority to make a traffic stop under the law. The officer could’ve told him to go shove it but instead he is patient and let the man verbalize his feelings even though he is totally wrong. For those of you who think a citizen has their authority look up the law.

[@enginekid88]

That cop seemed really relaxed, he was nice and acted graciously. The citizen playing police officer seemed paranoid, and manic. What a waste of time this was.

[@aaronzulu8203]

You must've missed the content of the video, which focusses on the legality of the situation. This isn't some trendy sports video or some Miley music video. In this forum, fact trumps your "feelings"... so your comment is sort of illustrating to everyone that you voluntarily disregard the law when it applies to the majestic badge-wearers, and for some illogical reason feel compelled to criticize the outstanding citizen confronting this illegal activity. Indeed the cop was courteous. But being courteous should be a standard, not something that warrants exemption. Instead, you're disregarding the courage of the cameraman by condescendingly stating that he's "playing police officer" while inferring that "if the cop is nice, he can break the law". We need smarter people in this society to keep the law serving the citizens, rather than serving both the police who are enabled to act unlawfully by such ignorance of the citizenry and the courts who profit off of such violations of criminal and civil laws.

[@metusbatmanv2924]

***** You're a moron. That is because cops can kill you.

[@enginekid88]

Aaron Zulu I "must've missed the content of the video"? What a stupid comment.

[@aaronzulu8203]

***** Yeah you'll have to read the entire comment. I see what misled you to begin with... reading takes an exorbitant amount of energy for the common citizen who is conditioned to accept key-jingling as entertainment.

[@metusbatmanv2924]

Aaron Zulu Lol, key-jingling, nice! Jinglin', jinglin'!

[@ericscontent2328]

Do all the officers know you on a first name basis?

[@GavinSeim]

Don't believe I ever met this guy. I am hard to shut up. Suffice to say there have been briefings on how to deal with Gav encounters.

[@fascistslayer3997]

LOL.. WHAT??? An American citizen who knows the law is known on a first name basis??? Really? Massive surveillance of an entire nation beyond imagination, secret prisons, secret courts, secret laws, secret judges, secret lawyers, secret police, secret interpretation of laws, secret list, secret hearings, secret evidence, secret wars, militarization of local police forces, the largest prison population on earth. I bet his facial recognition photo, DNA, finger print, voice print, iris print, medical records, license plate scan bounces all over the NSA, FBI, CIA, GCHQ, the Five Eyes and Central Intelligence Fusion Centers when he pass by a public surveillance camera.

[@fascistslayer3997]

Macro Man LOL.. I love you ..

[@Chris-kb7vo]

nonassumsit says the dumb ass who doesn't know the difference between you're and your.

[@anoid3433]

Gavin Seim I am not one to disagree that some of them don't know the law very well, if they did, they would be lawyers, and have way more money, but you may want to pick a different RCW to give them grief over, since as you can see that the RCW you quoted clearly has regulation regarding state owned vehicles, but exempts law enforcement vehicles. I can see that there would be problems with fake officers with a law like this. But I think that "The *department of general administration shall adopt general rules permitting other exceptions to the requirements of subsection (2) of this section for other vehicles used for law enforcement," pretty much will let them keep vehicles unmarked. I think it would be great if we could get a Lawyer in Washington state to chime in on this. Also, I read your no cameras blog, and watched the video, found it interesting as well.

[@bluduct]

I would question if any and all actions preformed by this officer in that vehicle such as tickets, arrest, or stops be considered in legal terms " fruit from a poison tree?" Any actions where this vehicle was use would be illegal, therefore null and void.

[@InSaN3ViSioN]

cool story bro

[@Iceman99255]

This is the equivalent of cussing out the walmart employee for following their managers direction. That cop has no control over that car being unmarked. Screw this guy

[@wesollson7735]

RCW 46.08.065 Publicly owned vehicles to be marked - Exceptions. "This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police department or any vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes" The simple basic word "OR" creates 2 different exemptions for Police. Gavin, I suggest that you stop ambushing hard working Police Officers and book an appointment with the Sheriff, Police Chief etc. to make such frivolous complaints. This way you can have a truly informative conversation. That is of course unless you are relying on someone not being 100% informed about your vague and obscure law arguments. Your videos are a joke for someone who will look up the information you attempt to discuss and waste an Officer's valuable time. It literally took me 5 seconds to learn how far from correct you were in this argument.

[@GavinSeim]

D. Ollson Look, another troll for the police. I suggest you learn how to read law better. Your statements have all been covered and thoroughly debunked in the linked post and lawyers have weighed in on it. Take the lies somewhere else.

[@wesollson7735]

I have a different opinion then you based upon written codified law. I am still waiting for the intellectual part of this conversation where you begin presenting fact or a meaningful argument rather then wordy claims of interpreting the law and basing your interpretations on fictitious lawyers. It is easy to claim some type of expertise but I stand by my previous comment and will wait for you to bring to light an argument to the contrary.

[@bobh5808]

+Gavin Seim Just like Mr. Ollson, I too am waiting for you to learn how to read. The law clearly states that sheriff's offices are exempt. The "or," creates a different clause. This is basic English.

[@joshuademott9810]

The exemption is only for investigative purposes... This exemption does not apply to traffic stops...

[@bobh5808]

The "or" keeps that clause separate from the other two. In other words, the police and sheriff's departments may use unmarked cars for whatever purpose they may need them for.

[@9Hatman]

RCW 46.08.065 says in subsection (3) "Traffic control vehicles of the Washington state patrol may be exempted from the requirements of subsection (2) of this section at the discretion of the chief of the Washington state patrol." And subsection (1) (the part about marked vehicles) notes it has the same exemptions as subsection (2). Sorry Gav, you're wrong.

[@moneykiller789]

How lol? Clearly says STATE PATROL! these guys aren’t state lol.

[@moneykiller789]

Sorry 9hatman, you’re wrong. 😉

[@tr33br06]

Man, if I ever tried this I'm pretty sure I'd be arrested for interfering with a police officer's duty or some bullshit like that. Keep up the great work, we really need more people like you in society.

[@AdamKyleAnderson]

"Subsection (2) of this section shall not apply to vehicles used by the Washington state patrol for general undercover or confidential investigative purposes. Traffic control vehicles of the Washington state patrol may be exempted from the requirements of subsection (2) of this section at the discretion of the chief of the Washington state patrol."

[@markwithers9468]

also this officer handled this citizen very well

[@amberlilly4101]

Yeah, he didn't get rattled.

[@talon1021]

I live in Washington state, and this is awesome.

[@rogermanns6191]

in new york, stopped an old lady, raped and robbed, with unmarked car. we paid his salary to cops

[@PatrickHogan]

If everyone had half the knowledge you do of their local and state laws this country would function so much better.

[@PatrickHogan]

***** What?

[@shinestar14ful]

He's the most chill officer🤗

[@bruce2keri]

As a former Law Enforcement Officer (LEO), you have a point! The way you go about it really stinks. I'm not sure if you have gone to the Departments Administration or to the city/county commission to voice your interpretation of that state law. If they are in violation of the state law, you now have it as a public record because all commission meetings are recorded. I don't know why you felt the need to conduct your KZbin video on the street with the deputy. Why not call his dispatch have him meet with you? I feel you are demeaning the entire subject that is your concern by the ignorant tone and attempts to incite negative behavior from that fine deputy. My dislike isn't your subject, it's you with the know it all behavior and your condescending debate at the deputy.

[@jgg204]

"i can show you the ID but you cannot touch it" --> psychological way of the cop attempting to still exert authority when the citizen is showing authority over him. cops easily forget they work for us. as a citizen if i have a concern on the way that a cop is doing his job, especially if it is in violation of the law, the cop is required to listen and acknowledge what i have to say. cops act like they are the boss of the town...like they run the place...just b/c they have lights, a siren, a badge, and a gun. all cops do is enforce the law. they do not write the law, they do not interpret the law, they are law enforcers that is it.

[@anoid3433]

So at 2:29 in to the video he shows "See RCW 46.61.020" as his supposed law that he is quoting the officer. I live in Washington, and see all kinds of unmarked cars. I decided to look up that RCW, and it says nothing of the sort that he claims. It says and this is pulled directly from app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.020 RCW 46.61.020 Refusal to give information to or cooperate with officer - Penalty. (1) It is unlawful for any person while operating or in charge of any vehicle to refuse when requested by a police officer to give his or her name and address and the name and address of the owner of such vehicle, or for such person to give a false name and address, and it is likewise unlawful for any such person to refuse or neglect to stop when signaled to stop by any police officer or to refuse upon demand of such police officer to produce his or her certificate of license registration of such vehicle, his or her insurance identification card, or his or her vehicle driver's license or to refuse to permit such officer to take any such license, card, or certificate for the purpose of examination thereof or to refuse to permit the examination of any equipment of such vehicle or the weighing of such vehicle or to refuse or neglect to produce the certificate of license registration of such vehicle, insurance card, or his or her vehicle driver's license when requested by any court. Any police officer shall on request produce evidence of his or her authorization as such. (2) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor. Basically, it has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with driving an unmarked car.

[@JesseBellas]

You shoulda watched it further. That was just him referencing the law about the officer refusing to show his identification. Skip to 11:40

[@anoid3433]

Jesse Bellas Actually, I looked that up too. It explicitly exempts police vehicles. app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.08.065 RCW 046.08.065 "This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police department, or any vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes." Also; "(3) Subsection (2) of this section shall not apply to vehicles used by the Washington state patrol for general undercover or confidential investigative purposes. Traffic control vehicles of the Washington state patrol may be exempted from the requirements of subsection (2) of this section at the discretion of the chief of the Washington state patrol. The *department of general administration shall adopt general rules permitting other exceptions to the requirements of subsection (2) of this section for other vehicles used for law enforcement, confidential public health work, and public assistance fraud or support investigative purposes, for vehicles leased or rented by the state on a casual basis for a period of less than ninety days, and those provided for in **RCW 46.08.066(3)."

[@JesseBellas]

Hm. Interesting.

[@GavinSeim]

Lol Another plant. The law is clear and anyone that reads the article posted will understand that. The exception is ONLY for undercover within those bodies and that is very clearly upheld all the way back to the notes from when the law was made.

[@BradyBrendanAlex]

Gavin Seim half the people commenting are thinking they've outsmarted the guy because they didn't read how it only applies to undercover or confidential investigative purposes. A Noid you need to take lessons in reading comprehension

[@KillsterGaming]

This guy clearly has no life

[@hdgaminghunter2032]

Seriously, get a life dude.

[@RobLucci3]

People are saying that the man is pulling this out of his ass, when he clearly shows the law that requires the police officer to do just what he said and the police officer recognizes it as valid. At no point did he pester or insult the officer, or even raise his tone. Just google RCW 46.08.065 and you'll see he knows exactly what he's talking about.

[@joedirt5456]

And unfortunately, just like Gavin, you failed to read the entire statute where it states: "This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police department, or any vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes." But like so many before you, you naively follow along. Lesson learned, DON"T BE A FOLLOWER!!!

[@RobLucci3]

I read that as well. You are not understanding it correctly. These vehicles are exempt in cases of undercover work and Gavin asked the officer if this was the case and the officer confirmed that he was not in fact undercover. Officer explicitly stated that he was in fact NOT undercover and that he was pulling people over.

[@gregdubya1993]

Joe Dirt he stated that Joe. It wasn't being used for that purpose. It was being used for standard patrol. Therein lies the issue.

[@strixt]

Joe Dirt It's only slightly ironic to me that you, just like all the other armchair lawyers, failed to read the entire statute where it states: "This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police department, or any vehicles used by local peace officers *under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes.*" But like so many before you, you naively prove that Gavin is correct. Lesson learned, DONT"T BE AN IDIOT!!!

[@samanthaharris9544]

Joe Dirt Good little sheep.

[@TheVee909]

wow, the cop was cool as hell the whole time lol

[@one2gaming]

Not an expert on Law, only have talked to people who know their stuff but I'm still quite ignorant here. I'm prettyyy sure Gavin breaks at least 1 if not a few laws himself. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost certain i.e. when a citizen stops any individual to confront them breaking the law, it is illegal for the citizen to invade personal belongings without permission or extreme cause. Gavin reach's in the car multiple times with his hand and denies a request to stop pressing against the window. Again, not an expert, pretty sure that's illegal. And if it is illegal, it kind of defeats some of his purpose of demonstrating proper law to the police officer. Even if everything he did was legal, pulling a condescending attitude is frustrating. The positive message of this video will be overlooked because of his attitude. This video could be a great message but instead it's a pretty good one with some crappy handling.

[@GavinSeim]

The message is is no way getting overlooked. It's exploding into a huge conversation Mission accomplished. -- As for your assertion. This officer is not a private citizen. He is an employee of the people and the vehicle he is driving is not in any way his property or personal belongings, but public property. I was polite and well within the law.

[@cduus2]

But you stopped and harassed a Sheriff's Deputy with no probable cause or purpose other than to harass him. RCW 46.08.065 paragraph one states that law enforcement vehicles for the purpose of special investigations or on special assignment are exempt from the marking law. RCW 46.08.065 Publicly owned vehicles to be marked - Exceptions. (1) It is unlawful for any public officer having charge of any vehicle owned or controlled by any county, city, town, or public body in this state other than the state of Washington and used in public business to operate the same upon the public highways of this state unless and until there shall be displayed upon such automobile or other motor vehicle in letters of contrasting color not less than one and one-quarter inches in height in a conspicuous place on the right and left sides thereof, the name of such county, city, town, or other public body, together with the name of the department or office upon the business of which the said vehicle is used. This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police department, or any vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes RCW 9A.40.040 Unlawful imprisonment. (1) A person is guilty of unlawful imprisonment if he or she knowingly restrains another person. (2) Unlawful imprisonment is a class C felony. [2011 c 336 § 365; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.40.040.] By placing yourself practically half-way in his vehicle, you've also restricted his ability to leave, and knowingly done so. Technically, you're guilty of a Class C felony. Your so-called "liberty speech" is inaccurate within the realms of the law.

[@one2gaming]

Gavin Seim I just think the conversation could be even bigger if you respected the officer as if he were another citizen. I personally don't appreciate most cops who've I've had a run-in with. I've had my rights violated etc. and I highly appreciate anti power-hungry messages 100%. BUT you got power hungry in this video, whilst also making valid points. It's just a mixed message to me.

[@joshwurst4457]

***** It's false imprisonment if the other person is being held against their will. So, if you were holding onto your girlfriend when she was trying to pull away, you could be charged with this AND assault/battery (depending on the state).

[@joshwurst4457]

Gavin Seim Citizens pulling over cops... Not how it works. I certainly understand flagging down an officer to ask a question, but this is just disrespectful and a complete waste of time. If you have a problem with an officer or department policy or procedure, you should file a formal complaint. You are seeking an audience, trying to get attention. You are going way over the top to gain support of people who don't like cops, and eventually it's gonna bite you in the ass. You happened to find a VERY polite officer, and why he didn't roll up his window and drive off when you started playing him is curious. Try having a little tact and, if you don't like cops, just stay out of trouble and don't engage them! At the end of the day, they're the ones risking their lives to protect and serve you and the community.

[@autobahnman6869]

I thought the officer was about to pour his coffee in his eye.

[@NorthEastLowrider4lyfe]

absolutely pointless.

[@wahimotors]

Good Cop very calm and well mannered handled this situation very well let him do his job.

[@Solidsnake999]

Clearly you have nothing else to do

[@bellagarcia3876]

solid snake clearly you hate freedom

[@shawnobarker3255]

CLEARLY YOU'RE AN IDIOT! WHY SNAKE ARE YOU A SNITCH,NARC,COP?

[@eaglesfanbaby1356]

shawn obarker U actually sound stupid

[@Dribbles88]

YOU SIR!! are AMAZING! First time hearing from you and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to record how to deal with our government issues. Definitely Sub'ing and watching the rest of your videos.

[@brodothippie7364]

Only liked because the cop somehow went against his guts not to shoot this guy. He truly is a good cop 👍

[@TupacNation]

So he's a good cop cause he doesn't shoot him. Ha ha ha, your an idiot you must love living in a corrupt country.

[@neil78b]

*First*, never pull over unless a car is clearly marked. *Second*, try to pull over or into an area where there is a parking lot or gas station with many witnesses in case something is fishy. I once drove 8 miles *very slowly* (with flashers on) to the next exit that had a Mcdonald's, walmart, etc. so everyone could clearly see what was happening and explained just that to the cop as I don't trust any human being, *badge or not*.

[@ayetee11]

Clearly this guy was picked on as a child.

[@doughargrove3713]

This is exactly what we need to be doing. This man is a leader and I hope people wake up to what's going on in this country.

[@SuperJakeybakey]

The cop was very patient and well mannered. As a lot of them are. This is one of the majority that made their way into the media that wasn't one of the few bad ones. And when the bad ones are bad they are really bad from what I've seen.

[@jacobscull6294]

Majority of cops that made way into media are well mannered?? And only a few are bad?? My man don’t be naive. Cops are notorious for being filmed behaving unethically ever since the KZbin era and implementation of body cams. This cop is a rare cool one with patience. But it’s called a police fraternity for a reason. The bad apples are protected by even the good cops based on their “code”. The way they will lie and coverup for each other to extent of falsifying police reports, lying under oath, and have zero accountability. Supervisors/higher chain of command unwilling to implement a code of conduct which in turn creates the toxic culture. Disciplinary actions are essentially non-existent for officers, creating their sense of invulnerability to unabashedly commit unethical habits. Let’s not forget about the ever so powerful police union with labor contracts so heavily leaning in their favor it’s damn near impossible to fire an officer. Most popular forms of any punishment utilized - even for officers involved in deadly shootings - is either “desk duty” or paid leave. So they’re taught a lesson by being pulled off street and get to sit inside at a desk OR if really bad get to sit at HOME. Not house arrest don’t get it misconstrued. Paid full salary to stay home & off work. I mean if they decide to stay home...more likely to take advantage and go on a vacation. Protect and serve..,hmm yea I never called cops for help but seems they’ve harassed me half a dozen times pulling me over for traffic violation but somehow get more focused on marijuana in car or whatever stereotype and quota is that day’s cross referenced goal. And why are they so quick to get offended and bully people who question them and/or know their rights/law? The agitation it causes them is a sure sign of being drunk on power. Ironic it’s those who were bullied in school or felt internally inadequate growing up seem to find a way into becoming police officers. The most unfit to hold authority but seek it out and eventually exploit it once obtained. FTP

[@ericscontent2328]

I watch your videos because I legitimately find them funny. Got at least two belly laughs out of this video.

[@richardremi]

So Yes this guy is excising his right or whatever BUT he's just trying to be a hero before you guys, instead of harassing this cop who cant do much about the situation, why wouldn't he go to the higher authority to file a report? Instead hes just trying to stir up shit and look like a hero and most of you are falling for it... the part where he said the the cop has to refuse to drive the car was the dumbest thing i ever heard....you telling me if someone is dieing, getting robbed, or needs help you want the cop to refuse to drive his car?? are you serious? Sometimes in life you need to bend the law for a better good. Yes I know there are a lot of bad cops out there, trust me I know I live in NY, but people need to leave the few good ones out there to do their fucking job..

[@tobystacy959]

You weren't paying attention. He starts by asking if the car is being used to site traffic violations, and later goes on to say that is not legal to do in an unmarked car. That's why you mostly only see detectives in unmarked interceptors.

[@croweslen7896]

tim tebaw its not harrasing if you are breaking the law as well...Dont break the law if you dont want to be "harrased"

[@croweslen7896]

tim tebaw So he shouldn't have stopped you because he knew it would piss you off?

[@AcerArlo]

I believe in having rights but this is a little ridiculous

[@xxdomoxxkunxx]

You have to know that a law was broken to file a report with some credible evidence of said law being broken This is that evidence

[@watmynameiz95]

I'm just in awe. The best part is the officers speechlessness

[@Officer775]

Ok, so the Deputy told you to back up out of his window. You refused to do so... so, who is breaking the law???

[@l1nsertnameherel]

Why was this even matter? This guy honestly wasted the officers time. Quit trying to be a hero, and respect the people who protect you.

[@jamesslade2727]

Protect us? Don't make me laugh. Every single encounter I have had with the police including the encounters my friends have had with them have always been bad. My friends and i have been harassed by police so many times. They're just trying to make money off of the public. I have never had a police officer legitimately help ever, I've always been harassed by the cops. They don't protect and serve they abuse and enslave.

[@l1nsertnameherel]

+James Slade you're stupid - period.

[@jamesslade2727]

I am? Okay then tell me if this isn't abusive authority. I got pulled over one night for turning into a center lane to merge on the hwy cop pulled me over for that asked if I drank anything. I didn't. Then asked if there was anything illegal in the car. There wasnt. So he decides to get me out of my car claimed I was acting suspicious and he detained me, put me in handcuffs and put me in his car while he ransacked my car to find nothing at all and since he found nothing he gave me a ticket for $300 all because I didn't "turn into the correct lane" now... how is that protecting? I have many more examples if you want more.

[@l1nsertnameherel]

One out of millions of scenarios. This kind of attitude is the reason why people are racist.

[@jamesslade2727]

When did racism ever come up during my comment?

[@jhp4238]

man, you got balls of titanium

[@qusayhammad9897]

ya 😂

[@kjr4766]

More like a pussy that hates cops stop fucking with those who are not fucking with you privilege Fuckers

[@randellsnerdythingschannel7814]

As polite as that cop was, he is grossly ignorant of his job and how the law works.

[@danielmccoy1021]

I love in whatcom county in Washington and have actually been given a ticket by an unmarked sherriff and state patrol. Has this law changed? Does it apply to state patrol as well? What is the RCW

[@AnthonyKeydel]

Correct me if I'm wrong (please!) but doesn't section 3 apply: " Traffic control vehicles of the Washington state patrol may be exempted from the requirements of subsection (2) of this section at the discretion of the chief of the Washington state patrol." Or is that a separate matter?

[@bigmike4788]

I have read this law multiple times since watching the video, and the excerpt in quotations below leads me to disagree with Mr. Seim. Please tell me how the law is interrupted as such that this officers vehicle is illegal when the RCW you are referencing reads otherwise. "This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police department, or any vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes." This is 3 sentences in 1 thanks to the comma use. 1. This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office. 2. This section shall not apply to vehicles of a local police department. 3. This section shall not apply to vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes. Please enlighten me, I am open to hear your reasoning.

[@GavinSeim]

Because you're changing the grammar structure. Nothing in the sentence exempts them UNLESS they are working "for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes." This has all been thoughtfully debunked on the blog post I linked above in the notes, which you should have read before posting. If you want the facts go read it.

[@robertcunningham1695]

Unless you're going to quote something verbatim, it's not really an argument. The law is not this flexible thing you see to think it is.

[@sdrawkcabdiastihs]

you can't fix stupid.

[@sdrawkcabdiastihs]

This is all about attention and a feeble attempt seeming to have purpose. there is a right way and a wrong way to go about this. The right way is through official channels at the actual agencies. The wrong way is distracting officers in the line of duty and filming it to fulfill one's self-righteous agenda.

[@YellowKurt]

This guy gave me goosebumps. The balls he had

[@MCAS9077]

Great job! Thank you so much Gavin, enforcing the law. I really appreciate you advising that deputy who could have done something 5 times more important (such as the available 911 on the radio) that his car is not in accordance with the law! Man, shame on that deputy, having his patrol car unmarked! That is totally up to him whether he has it marked or not! Gavin, you are a role model citizen! I am so glad America has people like you patrolling the streets policing the people who already do it (and do it well) instead of actually having A REAL JOB! Great job! Gavin Seim

[@bcunni2]

This sheriff's deputy was super cool about this. "This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office" seems correct.

[@howlingwolf3125]

Gavin: "This is the game. It's called law." Deputy: "Wah?"

[@alfredodominguez2799]

Howling Wolf you n the deputy need their ears checked

[@samkessler1]

hey gavin what is the best way for a civilian to learn the laws

[@TiLoRaine]

Sir, if more citizens were like you, maybe we wouldn't have the corruption that currently exists, in many police/government agencies today. Kudos!

[@checkurbrainfly]

BASICALLY THIS COP IS PLAIN & SIMPLE ONE OF THE COOL ONES,there was no arrogance & defiant ,the citizen who shoot this vid. is doing something that not many would do which takes a bit of courage, he is informed & The Whole interaction is a CIVILIZED ONE COP & CITIZEN the way is SHOULD Be in a civilized society,bless them both.

[@MikeMayors]

Thank you. That was my interpretation of this. Sadly the bar has been lowered so much that the fact Gavin didn't get his face smashed in (or detained on false charges) puts the cop in a highly favorable light. Nonetheless I do appreciate the cop's patience and collectiveness, which all officers should be required to have. I do wonder though if the cop didn't know him (as it appears they've had these types of run ins before) if this would have went as smoothly.

[@checkurbrainfly]

I concur

[@kirkmcgraw735]

Well said👍

[@nickcz777]

this cop went from confused to annoyed to flustered then back to confused before leaving deeply concerned. good work.

[@JDrakeFilms]

My mom told me in the 80s their was like some kind of kidnap were some guy put lights in his vehicle and pulled a girl over and took her and that I should never trust a unmarked vehicle. Does anyone know a story like this?

[@CorkyStanton]

Gavin is right but strict.

[@GavinSeim]

Not so strict, I did not cite him or attempt to impound his vehicle ;)

[@metusbatmanv2924]

Corky Stanton Want to see strict? Try refusing an officers unlawful orders while being black.

[@admthrwn]

MetusBatman V2 "while being black"? stfu

[@metusbatmanv2924]

admthrwn You're a moron.

[@PhyLink]

Gavin Seim "...Impound his Vehicle"...Oh, how sweet that would have been to see!!!

[@arf15beagle]

"I'm not going to write you up today..." Uh-hah!

[@JohnMitchellTV]

At 2:50 you said that the officer is required by law to provide his ID at a stop? That "stop" that you did wasnt even a legal stop. So therefore he's not required to provide you with his ID. Citizens cannot legally pullover a police officer in a vehicle and harass them for ID like what you did. What business do you have heckling police anyway? Just let him do his job. I can tell Washington state law sucks because here in Florida, unmarked cars can pull people over. Its a strategy for effective traffic enforcement.

[@DCosta94]

They might be unmarked, but they have to be registered as undercover(Which is legal in Florida aswell). And no, he said that a police officer is required to show his ID when stopping a vehicle, if the person being pulled over requests him to do so, people just don't because most don't know the law. "Just let him do his job".. How come you're so willing to overlook the law when the police officer is the wrong doer? These measures are all in place to prevent impersonators. Would you also like to "just let" random citizens pretend to be officers?

[@JohnMitchellTV]

He provided his ID and proved that he wasnt an impersonator. Since the car was brand new and didnt come with any stickers on it, it was the only choice he had. he had to go on the road and do his job since the department failed to provide him with a temporary car until the decals were properly installed onto the car. so thats a failure on the department. thats not the officers fault. because regardless, he still has a job to do

[@MrSen4lifE]

_When the officer makes the stop._ *He didn't.*

[@badbetty7353]

Thank you Mr. Seim. Not only are you helping uphold the law, you are doing something even more rare by giving common ground to those aligned to groups on the left and the right.

[@patrickhallisy5064]

I am glad there are people like Seim out there looking out for the average citizens.

[@Fins47]

Sooooo... You decided that you would fix the problem by stopping an officer, who ultimately had no control about when the decals, and such where to be installed? In a way, yeah. I see your point, but in another way I'm asking myself, if your intentions really where to make a change to the system. One would think you'd actually go down to the police department, and plead your case to the Chief? You know, the guy who's in charge? You talk about how you are concerned for your daughter, which is understandable, but I don't really see how you are truly looking out for her, when all you are doing is "stopping" officers who again, have no sort of role in the process of getting the proper decals installed, instead of making a push to fix the issue promptly by taking it to the brass. Again, is it a breach of protocol, yes, but in all honesty all you are really doing here is wasting everybody's time. You can't go off a fallacy in the belief every cop is a wrongdoer, and is driven by power trips. Seemingly there are multiple protocols I'd be concerned about that are being broken, then something as this. Point is, if you want to make a difference, instead of making KZbin videos of you puffing your chest out, go to the main source of it all, instead of finding officers to single out to try embarrass. That's all I got to say..

[@JunkiesTube]

6:44 Haha, he didn't drink one drop of that cup... He just didn't knew what to do with himself, he clearly wasn't comfortable in this situation :D

[@chanceaites2450]

Do you have anything better to do really 😂

[@JohnDoe-xl9bk]

You're the one thats on KZbin watching his videos, and then you're the on KZbin commenting on videos. Do you have anything better to do really LMAO

[@RichardBaran]

More people should do this. I love the calmness on both ends

[@TheOnlySaneAmerican]

People shouldn't copy Seim. He is incorrect in his understanding of the law. He should have actually consulted a professional before making a fool of himself.

[@colinc4673]

Dude I live in Moses Lake, Washington. I go to Chief moses middle school. I’ve been watching your videos and actually learning. A while ago two of my friends got suspended for play fight like barely pushing each other. They even tried to tell them and even came to a consensus that they were play fighting which nowhere has it been written that you can’t do that. I think this is very unjust. If you could go back like your older videos and talk to them especially Mike Nordsten. My school district is very corrupt and is slowly. Thank you.

[@jigalini]

I hate when someone looks up some obscure law and makes like they are geniuses. The guy was an asshole, the cop should have arrested him for being an asshole.

[@myprivateconstruction8023]

OH Shut up. You are a stupid potential voter and uninformed of the US Constitution and laws

[@lunarkitsune14]

How was he being an asshole? And it doesn't matter whether or not the law is obscure or not, the officer should still uphold the law regardless of what that law happens to be. There are some seriously fucked up people that drive around in unmarked cars posing as police. To make this law more common knowledge is helping to protect the safety of the public. And "arresting him for being an asshole" is the exact reason why a lot of people have problems with cops. Unless the guy had a legit reason to be brought in for arrest, the officer would be abusing his authority for doing exactly as you say and just lend more credence to why people don't trust cops.

[@aaronzulu8203]

I hate when people think their opinion trumps reality.

[@samanthaharris9544]

I hate sheep who think cops should be allowed to break the laws they're sworn to uphold.

[@SpencerHogg]

Samantha Harris Hahaha look how stupid you are.......... calling every single person a "sheep" yet partaking in apple giveaways hahaha... American consumerism at it's finest. How you like them materials?

[@NotTransmine]

If I'm in a augment with this guy I'm going to walk out the door as soon as I see him

[@ButtKickersReviews]

Ahahahahaha! Dude, you have brass balls man!

[@navarmaxted9976]

This might possibly be the best video on youtube.

[@samcates2073]

Gavin, I need to understand this law a little more. Now the way it is written is not VERY particular. It does state "...used in public business to operate the same upon the public highways of this state..." but does that excluded local public roadways? The way I read it, it is specific on highway use, but does not explicitly exclude public roadways within a county or city. Can you help clarify?

[@aWellsie514]

From reddit: RCW 46.08.065 says "Traffic control vehicles of the Washington state patrol may be exempted from the requirements of subsection (2) of this section at the discretion of the chief of the Washington state patrol." The first subsection (the part about marking your cars) at the end says it has the same exemptions as section (2) mentioned in this quote, thus if you consider a traffic police car to be a "Traffic control vehicles" (which I'd like a LEO to let me know if this is the case) then they don't need markings unless the chief says they need it. TLDR the video guy is wrong and needs to read the entire law he's citing before he tries to arrest an officer. Also, my own notes... back the hell out of an officer's vehicle if he tells you to. This guy pisses me off so much it hurts.

[@markaustin4310]

Travis A This. My read is that this law is intended to require the right markings for traffic control vehicles in construction area for the safety of all. The state patrol is charged by this law to make sure these vehicles are properly marked, IE: flashing yellow lights, decals, etc.

[@minjin0258]

People have to understand that the RCW quoted has different sections that apply to different vehicles. Section 1 applies to vehicles NOT owned by the State (WSP). There are 3 exceptions to Section 1. Vehicles owned by sheriff departments, vehicles owned by local police departments, and vehicles operated under public authority for the purpose of investigation. The vehicle driven by the deputy was obviously a sheriff department vehicle, so it falls under the first exemption of Section 1. Section 2 and 3 don't even apply to this situation.

[@calvinmaloy207]

these are the rights that we take for granted everyday

[@Archonis]

EXCELLENT. GIVE IT TO THEM THE WAY THOSE "PUBLIC SERVANTS" GIVE IT TO US.

[@jonathanmcentire970]

Let me guess. You have a criminal record.

[@Archonis]

Jonathan McEntire WANT TO TRY AGAIN, DUMBASS? LET ME GUESS; YOU ARE CONFUSED BY THE TERM "SERVANT".

[@jonathanmcentire970]

So you're a law abiding citizen that hates cops? That makes no sense.

[@Archonis]

Jonathan McEntire WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HATING COPS? OH, I KNOW, YOU DID. -_- LET ME HELP YOU OUT, ROOKIE: YOU TAKE AN OATH TO "PROTECT AND SERVE" THE PUBLIC. WHEN YOU GOT THE SPIFFY PURSUIT VEHICLE, THE DUTY BELT, THE SNAZZY SUNGLASSES, AND THE AUTHORITY TO REPRESENT THE LAW.... YOU MAN-UP. YOU WEAR A SHIELD AND THE FLAG, YOU'RE NOT "THE PUNISHER", OR A "JUDGE DREDD-HARDCASE", YOU'RE CAPTAIN AMERICA, AND YOU BEHAVE ACCORDINGLY. YOU DON'T FLAUNT THE AUTHORITY OR SUBVERT THE LAW BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, THAT'S HOW A THUG BEHAVES. UNFORTUNATELY, THE LAST 30-YRS HAVE SEEN LEOs MOVE AWAY FROM THAT 'AUTHORITY FIGURE', TO STATE-ENFORCEMENT BULLIES THAT HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR CHARGE, AS EVIDENCED IN ALL TOO MANY KZbin VIDS. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, TOO, HAVE FORGOTTEN "THEIR" ROLE IN THE RELATIONSHIP WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, AS ALL LAWS, CODE, AND MUNICIPAL SERVICE ARE GUARANTEED ONLY, BY THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED; THE CIVILIAN IS THE SUPERIOR "AUTHORITY" IN ALL INTERACTIONS WITH ALL STATE AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING LEOs, OF ALL RANK. NOW, IF YOU'RE STILL ON-THE-JOB, YOU'RE SPITTING YOUR LIGHT&SWEET ON YOUR LAPTOP, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR UNION REP TELLS YOU, BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS; POWER HAS BLINDED THOSE MOST RELIANT UPON THE PUBLIC'S TAX DOLLAR. SOME TOWNIE WITH A VIDEO CAMERA TELLS YOU YOU'RE SPEEDING, THE REG IS EXPIRED ON THE RMP, THE VEHICLE ISN'T MARKED TO CODE, YOU'RE GLOMMING TWO-SPOTS AT THE COFFEE SHOP, YOU SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP, AND REALIZE THEY-ARE-IN-THE-RIGHT TO EXERT THEIR AUTHORITY OVER THEIR EMPLOYEES. YEAH, IT'S A WAKE-UP CALL, BUT THE MUNICIPAL CODE-ENFORCERS HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR WAY, AND BROUGHT IT UPON THEMSELVES. NOT "HATE", JUST EQUAL "ACCOUNTABILITY".

[@Archonis]

a - rock THE FACT THAT YOU WERE COMPELLED TO READ IT, THEN COMMENT ON IT, LIKE YOU MATTER, VALIDATES EVERY WORD! HERE'S A KLEENEX, WIPE YOUR ASS.

[@autobahnman6869]

They also changed the law on that website he's pertaining to:This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police department, or any vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes.

[@michaelconrad9457]

God willing, the next video will show this incredibly tolerant and good-natured cop giving this smug, self-satisfied, and extremely whiny jerk what he's really asking for...

[@WendellsCat]

Meh. The guy was within his rights to flag down the officer and ask him for ID, but then to sit there and say "I'm going to educate you about the law" is ridiculous. If you think the officer has broken the law, then go and file a complaint against him. As we are seeing in the comments section here, the law is pretty grey. So many people think that laws are black and white, but they are very grey. One person says the officer didn't break the law, while another says he did. This is why we have lawyers and judges to interpret the laws based on their knowledge of precedence.

[@dinomaxi4951]

Had this Gavin person pulled up on me in this same situation ,I would have told him to file a complaint and keep it moving .

[@turttle123451]

LOL "I'm not gonna write you up today." I LAUGHED SO FUCKING HARD LMFAO

[@Animekid771]

where in Washington was this?

[@EliteChingon]

'Those willing to give up freedom for security will get neither' -Benjamin Franklin Police are not above the law and people that support anything they do even if it's illegal, just because they're the police, are a disgrace to America's forefathers who established this land to be free.

[@bravenewfilms]

LIKE A BOSS

[@cricketlee4278]

Brave New Films More like a Loss....👎🏼

[@OnlyANickel]

I really hope a kwikimart somewhere wasn't being robbed in these 15 minutes..

[@gcinnamon6963]

+Penny for your thoughts? If there had been a robbery going on Penny, I'm sure he would have been notified and Gavin would have allowed him to proceed. Mute point.

[@OnlyANickel]

G Cinnamon OK sure I was exaggerating a little, but my point is still valid. I'm not even opposing Gavin checking police officers when appropriate (unlike many people in the comments section). I was just pointing out that this could've taken 4-5 minutes. 15 minutes is complete overkill, and dilutes his otherwise really good points. (And by the way.. it's _moot_ point not _mute_ point).

[@vitofaiello1561]

exactly

[@logancrypto5146]

This cop was so chill and this guy just kept going. Shit, leave the cop alone. He didn't even do anything and there are unmarked cars everywhere.

[@elcamel1216]

Gavin Seim Do you know if NYS has similar laws? I am having difficult finding it when searching

[@williamweaver7251]

Police breaking the law. Imagine that. /sarcasm off

[@jerradshow7199]

This is one of the greatest videos ever made for the internet. I can not express my elation enough.

[@mh_golfer]

They dont want to mark the cars because it makes it harder for them to blend in and pass out tickets. Typical of the government to think they are above the law Im not sure stopping a police officer like this is the way to go about creating a change, one would think there has to be a better way to get them to obey the law.

[@4catsnow]

Cars unmarked out of the specific application are out of compliance. If the law enforcement observed a civilian vehicle out of compliance, would there be any hesitation to cite such a vehicle for the infraction?? Mr. Seim apparently has a valid argument against law enforcement breaking the law in the performance of enforcing the law. With the right kind of timing, the cars could arrive and the striping could be installed to insure the patrol car takes to the streets in compliance with the statute...nothing the law enforcement dosen't require of civilian drivers.

[@JTFD821]

I went through the Washington law and it says: "This section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police department, ***OR*** any vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes" It doesn't say "that" in the place of "or". After the "or" is separate from the police and sheriff vehicles. An example of "any vehicles used by local peace officers under public authority for special undercover or confidential investigative purposes" would be an impounded or private vehicle that would be used in an undercover drug buy.

[@markwithers9468]

I get being accountable but this guy is a bit much asking for license registration insurance come on man pick your battles that really matter like getting a beat down from the police

[@TotallyDanSmithin]

They do it to us all the time. And when they do it, it is also asking a bit much. "Hey, your taillight is out. I'm gonna need to know where your family lives and how much you pay for car insurance".

[@gifted6305]

That's right the cops do it to us all the time.

[@megadeth22885]

sheriff tom jones?.. maybe thats why he hasnt made any music lately

[@VarnHomestead]

It's not unusual for me to drive an unmarked car. Its not unusual for me to think I am above the law.

[@Iiquidshano]

nx2overide this comment deserves many more likes

[@kuyarobert]

HAHAHAHA

[@FlipMore]

this man has clearly too much time on his hands. for crying out loud get a life.

[@alfredodominguez2799]

Abdiassis Ahmed you are the one here bitching sooooo

[@jaysonbortag5598]

gavin, i just looked up the rcw and you are completely wrong. i quote," this section shall not apply to vehicles of a sheriff's office, local police departments, or any vehicles used by peace officers etc" i wont quote the while paragraph but please look this up

[@jamestummanee1290]

You, You , You ,You, Heres, Heres.

[@andrewhh24]

Gavin Seim 2016

[@fourman04]

I would have so jumped out and tazed this guy like over and over again lol

[@ColleenJarvis]

He's lucky that Officer was so patient with him.........he should let the cops do their jobs and maybe he should get into politics.....lol

[@SeanBusmc]

Thats because youre a statist piece of shit

[@ColleenJarvis]

Sean B You are about 2 chromosomes away from being a fucking potato.......so shut the fuck up you moron.

[@bellagarcia3876]

fourman04 He deserves to tased for being concerned for the safety of ungrateful people like you? Wow

[@christopherryan8900]

You'd be jailed for excessive force

[@earthgal2000]

I will not stop automatically for an unmarked car. I will call 911 to make sure I am genuinely being pulled over by an officer first.

[@SummerFunMan]

Yeah, there ya go! Well, it doesn't have to be 911. Just call the regular number if you know it. What did we do for this in the days before cell phones, huh? Thank goodness for cell phones!

[@earthgal2000]

Maxx Fordham For real. LOL

[@SummerFunMan]

Heheh. Thanks for the +1. :)

[@earthgal2000]

Maxx Fordham No problem. ;)

[@SummerFunMan]

:)

[@gracefulburns87]

What kind of work back ground do you have?

[@Joelkswagen]

Can someone explain me to what extent a police vehicle must be "marked" in order to legally pull someone over? I probably have this the wrong way, but is it illegal for an "under cover" police vehicle to pull you over? i.e. no police markings, light bar? There are many of these in the area I live and I have never heard of anything that requires the police vehicle to be marked.

[@GavinSeim]

In WA that is illegal. See the blog listed linked in the notes. If you live in another State it would be a matter of Sate law, but if it's not illegal it needs to be made so as it's a very real safety issue for the public.