Wired: Joy Division (Part 2 of 2)

[@captain07234]

I didn't realize until I watched this how good Paddy Considine's performance was in 24 hour party people he had the voice mannerism and look down. It really is amazing.

[@dixgun]

Despite the many disappointing things said, am so glad that this exists. It’s very interesting and even beautiful to behold.

[@AndrewWells]

Gretton was the Heart And Soul of both bands... his elegance of refusal defined much of their output and much of our experience... rest in peace you bugger ;)

[@rovingricey]

Agreed! I'd never seen the real Rob Gretton before watching this today and I had to watch it twice to believe just how uncanny Paddy C's portrayal of his was.

[@NativeMoon]

Man I would have killed to go to the Hacienda - they need to rebuild. And Paddy Considine totally owned the persona of Rob Gretton in 24 Hour Party People!

[@mancpaul01]

Rob's an absolute legend.

[@antigen4]

I think that people DEEPLY underestimate the impact that producers have on music. I used to think like that too - until I started noticing that all my favourite music was made by a handful of producers. Look at Nile Rodgers for example - totally different genre - but he made a GIANT impact (some would say he even made their sound) for Chic, sister sledge, madonna, blondie, grandmaster flash, later roxy music, and a tons of others...

[@johnhunt5181]

Rob Gretton... Man City fanatic and a wythenshawe lad... god rest his soul

[@johnhunt5181]

His nephew was in my class in secondary school

[@BMGStammer]

both of them did an AMAZING job

[@synchc]

Paddy Considine is one of the greatest actors in the world.

[@myaphextwin807]

Are you his mum?

[@synchc]

@@myaphextwin807 No, I'm a fella. Did yours ever love you?

[@revol148]

Dear me - the acrimony surrounding this band is phenomenal: Hannett went to his grave estranged by everyone, Hooky v New Order don't even speak anymore unless through lawyers, Hooky spent most of his autobiography slagging of pretty everyone including Gretton, Wilson is regarded as a negative force for Factory records by they way he bled the artists dry in order to fund his various failing business projects including the factory nightclub.I think we can all agree that Paul Morley is tiresome and not just the way he speaks out of the corner of his mouth.

[@silversnail1413]

At least they all stayed honest. None of that lovey-dovey Hollywood let's pretend to be friends for the cameras crap. Honestly I think Barney, Hooky and Steve are remarkably magnanimous towards Tony Wilson considering how badly he screwed them.

[@revol148]

@@silversnail1413 Agreed - and I've yet to read WHY they allowed Wilson to bled them dry when they should have realised what a chancer he was and signed to a different label by the end of the 1980's if not earlier. It's also interesting to note that when the Happy Mondays imploded in 1992 Factory label went under shortly after as there were no more big selling bands with which to keep afloat the constantly collapsing business empire. Who knows? perhaps a lot of it has to do with people thinking that Wilson was a decent person rather than a useless, money leeching parasite.

[@canuck21]

I agree with your 20% :-). It's just that I do enjoy Joy Division's raw sound live too, but yeah, he played an extremely important role in the sound of Joy Division.

[@davidroberts7413]

Don’t often see Alan Erasmus interviewed..

[@peternagy-im4be]

A permanently unemployed actor

[@rael1999]

'I've always thought Paul Morley was full of shit anyway'....lol spot on Rob you are so right

[@canuck21]

Sumner, Hook and Morris were the music behind Joy Division. Hannett gave them the special sound and atmosphere, but the music is still from Sumner, Hook and Morris.

[@leejones8582]

Paddy got the voice and mannerisms down well done

[@BMGStammer]

Paddy Condistine was dead-on as rob gretton

[@BMGStammer]

in the film Control, Gretton was played by Kebbell, in the film 24 hour party people, Gretton was played by Considine

[@canuck21]

And Ian Curtis alone would be what? Pompous as they may be, they were the music behind the vocal and the lyrics. Without Sumner, Hook and Morris, there would be no Joy Division. Don't think that any other musicians would have given the same result. The success of New Order is proof that they do have talent whether you like their style of music or not. Read Ian Curtis' couple of biographies to have a better understanding of the band.

[@Arjanajanath]

Good comment canuck21! I agree only 80% since you forgot one guy: Martin Hannet! Without him they would never sounded like they did...

[@jamesvickers5998]

Don’t normally have much time for Paul Morley, but he’s right here: Factory exploited Curtis’ death to the max.

[@evilhorlix]

Gretton was only 35 in this

[@peternagy-im4be]

You should have seen him towards the end. He looked 70.

[@karlmeadows1487]

527 . First acid night in the psv used too be top in there , in 89 , then went moody

[@geralddunne5500]

I didn't realise that was Paddy Consadine as Rob Gretton in Control, fookin' ell, he is great!!

[@violet4462]

@Stuart Marshall paddy played him in 24 hour party people one of my FAVE Films,30,00 fucking grand for a fucking table,Tony wilson you C...😂😂😂Spot on👌had to edit that made no scence. Must have been stoned!!! Who played him best though???

[@canuck21]

There is no doubt that the special sound whom many attribute to Joy Division is the work of Martin Hannett no question about it. When I listen to Joy Division before Hannett had a hand on their material, they sounded like another band. Still, the music composition came from the lads. It's all the elements put together that made Joy Division special; vocal and lyrics (Curtis), music (Sumner, Hook and Morris) and sound (Hannett).

[@andybullemor-music5928]

Oh man I always thought maybe Paddy Considine had embellished Gretton a bit but he was bang on with his portrayal!

[@mrkristoff]

Time to rebuild the hacienda.. whatever shape or form it may take

[@rigby101]

thank you soo much i hopr this is real

[@DavidKRoebuck]

Alan Erasmus answering questions on TV???

[@Xythantiops]

Jesus-I never realised that Paddy Considine actually looked so much like Rob Gretton-I mean that is spooky

[@birdandthe]

after much consideration i think morley and wilson really grasp the finer points of joy division/ian curtis, and gretton and erasmus are pretty basic (and very lucky) people

[@RUBBERMOOG]

Well said.

[@birdandthe]

@canuck21 ian curtis biographies? where are they then.

[@ryckag]

Velvet underground,Joy Division,Nirvana are the best bands of all time.RIP Ian and RIP Wilson!!!!

[@LondonDada]

Without ripped-off Martin Hannett's production - the JD sound, they'd have been struggling. Without Ian's vocals and lyrics, they'd have been nothing. New Order are simply riding on the back of 2 dead genius's. "Flogging a dead body" X2 true. Thank God for all that though - the music is magic and timeless gift to the world forever.

[@daviddockery8962]

I love watching ignorance in action

[@LondonDada]

@@scott_d_owens Yep, I did hear JD in '78 on the radio " they'll never make it, sounding as dull and flat as that"

[@danielhogg17]

Wow paddy considine was on point

[@dandantheman824]

24HPP on blu ray?

[@JoyDivisiongirl]

why cannot i get the first part? ugh,so frustrating.

[@rockets4kids]

A longer clip of this docu can be found here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3PUeWtolsSMj80

[@JonnoDoesStuff]

'I've always thought Paul Morley was full of shit anyway' 😆

[@BOMInsights]

Anyone know whay year this is from ... 1987?

[@JimJWalker]

I love JD, but Atmosphere was not the end of pop.

[@kamisama72]

Paul Morley was seriously full of shit in those days. Given what we all know now about how Factory was (mis)managed, his portrayal of the company as shrewd and businesslike is laughable.

[@antigen4]

errr.... without HANNETT you mean?

[@BMGStammer]

yeah, its nuts, isnt it

[@GriefTourist]

paul morley is hilarious in this

[@robertloader9826]

Such a twat.

[@knownpleasures]

LOOK UP and to the right at citizens 2 comments and u will see 1988

[@RUBBERMOOG]

Considine didnt play Gretton it was Toby Kebball.

[@Its_Me_see]

Check Jimmy Saville out in the hard hat and sunglasses disguise

[@rael1999]

Very Articulate and totally untrue of course yesyes