Citroen e-C3 review | This could be one of Citroen's best cars!

[@markymarkreviews]

Lightness is key for efficiency in my opinion. After the BMW i3, it has been a long while since there has been a truly light EV with a decent sized battery. Good enough. Will be cheap to run. I like the looks and cabin. This is more exciting than yet another 2+ tonne SUV EV!

[@toyotaprius79]

Or the original 27kWh Hyundai Ioniq

[@BMWHP2]

Good review, thanks. This week we ordered the Max version. And with €29.000 (€26.000 after subsidies in the Netherland) the first affordable EV for us, with a useable range. We were looking for an EV with LFP batteries, and it is a bonus that it is a 1390kg "lightweight" and build in Europe. Will be delivered in September/Oktober (ish).

[@NobbyOnCars]

Sounds like your car prices are just as much fun as Ireland…..

[@LegioX_95]

@@NobbyOnCars There are HUGE subsidies for EV in Italy right now, they offered me 13800€ for a You and around 17k for a Max, I think that is definetely a good price point.

[@BMWHP2]

@@LegioX_95 Whow . . . . that is HUGE. Great deal, dont think twice. 👍👍

[@TimOldBag]

I bought one yesterday. It will probably be delivered in the middle or end of March. White, with a black roof. Winter package. 11kW charger, all-weather tyres. I traded in my C1 for 8,000 euros and am still paying 22,590 euros here in Germany. I think that's a fair price. I'm really looking forward to the car.

[@arklowdashcam5155]

Just watched Derek’s from NEVO review on this car. Really hard to find fault with this (not that I was looking for any!). This could be the benchmark for the entry level EV market. It looks great and it’s been designed really well.

[@ianrob4760]

and we have the Renault 5 to come ... if they get that pricing right ? then we will get a lot of opportunity to see the market expand.

[@nunagoras]

@@ianrob4760 In paper the R5 has some better specs than the E-C3, so no surprise it will be a bit more expensive. Then, of course eyes also eat so, there is that fusion "futuristic retro" design, which is truly unique of its own and sort of makes a visible effort from someone to return back those times where each car had its personality from its builders; congrats Renault. I'd say that my heart would be with the R5 once in some ways it resembles my childhood time cars, one of them a Renault Super 5 where I was extremely happy... But realistically this E-C3 seems to be technically more balanced at the right price while not compromising basic building quality, actually perhaps making it even better than Renault, and some equipment inclusion, so if I were on the market, probably my money would be with this E-C3, probably on the basic "no frills" version, not the one shown here. Simply no need for the extra things if you just want a decent commuter vehicle out there for your urban or even rural area little trips.

[@ianrob4760]

@@nunagoras given that they now priced R5 at 32k then such an open market for this C3

[@nunagoras]

@@ianrob4760 They'll have a more basic version in 2025 for the R5, but given the higher battery pack, I believe it will have a higher price than the basic E-C3. And it will be better equipped as well. Yeah, plenty of space for this E-C3. Less so for the Dacis Spring... Another story...

[@xWood4000]

It should have a heat pump but doesn't, and I wish it had a front foldable seat like the Hyundai inster

[@RaymondGrace-i8v]

Nice video Mark.When this car is sold on as secondhand it will bring more drivers into Evs as it should be very affordable for a lot more people

[@BMWHP2]

It will indeed be a great buy as secondhand. Those LFP batteries have a great livespan. With 5.000 to 10.000 charge cycles, so easy 500.000+ mls without a problem.

[@mad4tar77]

Now we are talking. Perfect second car for the household, or indeed sole car for the young twenty something professional

[@Orange_Manbaby]

Great to have more options.

[@TheFrecklish]

I’m so upset about the changes of appearance… So, my hubby has an eC4 and I don’t have a car. I get motion sickness just by turning my head and focusing on something behind me. But his car is very comfortable and definitely the best for me to be in. The comfort of citroen is unmatched! I love small cars! My dream is an electric fiat 500, but they just don’t have the same comfort. Citroen has said that they won’t produce EV of c1 and c2, but when we heard one of c3 was coming, we decided it would be a good car for me (I currently rely on the bus for work, but we’re moving next year). I saw the regular c3 and it had the look I love: small and round. So I was excited… then this was revealed. It has that godawful boxy look I despise! Looks like a small SUV:(

[@Madonsteamrailways]

That’s a lovely little car for those who want a car. It looks like a great little vehicle. The problem is that I don’t want to replace my Zoe with another car but with a small camper.

[@ISuperTed]

I drive a Peugeot e208 which is a great second car but list price is £35k (ridiculous). I’m leasing it. I’d definitely consider the e-C3 next, but I wouldn’t really want less range. If they can match the e208 then I might get one but as it stands, real world range is a bit too small.

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

The e208 has 400km and the ec3 has 320km

[@MrAsimomytis]

this is a truly beautiful and desirable small car!

[@decimal1815]

Will be interesting to see what winter range is like with the LFP battery.

[@TheSeafordian]

Petrol cars do less in the winter too.

[@decimal1815]

@@TheSeafordian I would never even consider a petrol or diesel car nowadays. They are ancient technology and no fun to drive compared to a good EV.

[@colinrenfrew48]

It does look cheap, and as an ice vehicle, that’s ok.But, I’ll wait and see the Panda, which will be similar.

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

The Panda looks better, uses recycleble materials and has a front cable for charging. It costs a bit more however.

[@francisdoran971]

Seems like a reasonable enough car, but a big fly in its ointment is going to be the Hyundai Inster, which seems like a much better car from other videos. All depends on the prices though. Any idea when the new eBerlingo is coming into showrooms?

[@ΓΙΑΝΝΗΣΒΡΑΤΣΟΣ]

What i don't understand is why are you comparing it to the petrol version. I own an EV for about 2 years now and it is the best driving experience I have ever had. These new models are extremely good value.

[@NobbyOnCars]

Why wouldn’t I compare it? It looks the same, is the same, simply has two options of fuel type. For less money, you get a car that drives better.

[@thedreamfactory6964]

​@@NobbyOnCarsYou're right, you do can compare this with the petrol version. On the other hand.... You should inform the potential buyers that: - this is an ice platform, there's better out in the wild on a real EV platform (Chinese and US branded especially) - it is only cheaper to buy, not in running costs (fuel, maintenance, taxes, repairs...) Also: The efficiency is not that uncommon for this kind of performance (or lack of it,..). I own and drive a Model 3 RWD LR. In summer I can also easily get the numbers you got from this car. And I do have and use triple the amount of bhp.

[@sevesellors2831]

Looks a very nice car and at a sensible price, so hope the UK price is keen.

[@decimal1815]

Nice one! Thanks for this first look :)

[@decimal1815]

They probably could have gone for 16" wheels and improved the economy further. But this should sell really well in Europe.. good size for small country roads and cities.

[@nakfan]

I think the high power battery will eventually be made by a new SVOLT factory in Germany. Great review by the way 👍

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

The car is supposed to be the first "european made affordable EV"

[@bordersw1239]

Interesting but you can buy a pre reg E-C4 in the U.K. for less than £19K - 2024 model with less than 10 miles on the clock.

[@johnsullivan6946]

I see the Triggers brush analogy is been pushed on this once again

[@connclissmann6514]

How's the regen? Is there one pedal driving? That's important when considering an EV convenience.

[@BMWHP2]

According to other reviews, it is close to one pedal driving. Standard it is set on very high regenerative braking. The C in de drive selector stands for "comfort", and that will minimize the regen.

[@Sherukka]

One pedal driving is really overrated but feel free to disagree. We EV drivers love to coast and that is possible by changing to N

[@ThePetrolhead94]

NCAP rating would be the decider on this

[@nakfan]

I think it starts out in B (regenerative braking) and that C gives you cruise…?

[@Sherukka]

C still also gives you some regen

[@gienol]

120Nm seems surprisingly low. Is it enough for uphill driving?

[@NobbyOnCars]

Was ok in Austria anyway and they have plenty of hills

[@GiuseppeSim]

Traveling at 110/120 km/h how many km could you travel?

[@Sherukka]

Even slow charging stations are beginning to come with Type-2 cables, so we will not have to carry those with us forever

[@alexanderstefanov6474]

Can i have it with smaller wheels?

[@TheSeafordian]

Available before Christmas.

[@ando5899]

Start of the year people were talking of this being 23k.... Now its up near mg4 or dolphin money. Lower 20's is where it'll havento be eventually to mKe sense

[@marcogentile3392]

But It does start at 23k, that's the price of the You version

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

@@marcogentile3392 The You version being more expensive was known since the start

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

Looks like a fair enough attempt at what its trying to be.....On the downside it's another cog in the gears to make Citroen a generic Chinese brand. Cant say I'm in love with the new Logo, it dates back to 1910 and looks it, but it's just one piece to make instead of two....right? Give me the classy iconic standalone double chevron any day. With AI....Maybe we could have past celebrities talking to us in Sat Nav, Vincent Price, Marilyn Monroe, or even Tiny Tim dodging Tulips.

[@minniesaab7255]

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[@robertzeebindie9268]

1,75m? Not really representative for northern Europeaans in the mainland….

[@NobbyOnCars]

What would you like me to do about it? 🤦🏼

[@K22MDL]

But it's a Citreon!

[@bernarddsilva6322]

Citroen?

[@stevezodiac491]

EV database real world range figures :- Highway warm weather 145 miles. Highway cold weather 110 miles. That is when the car is brand new. A lithium ion battery degrades with time and use cycles. My EV has lost 42% capacity in just over 8 years and 40 k miles and this car's battery will also degrade. I will never touch an EV ever again. They are just not fit for purpose.

[@NobbyOnCars]

What car do you have? What process did you follow for charging? How much AC charging did you do versus rapid charging? Considering manufacturers cover that level of degradation under warranty, did you seek to make a claim? Await your response.

[@stevezodiac491]

​​@NobbyOnCars Nissan leaf Teckna 30 kwhr 6.6 charger in Arctic White, made in Sunderland and driven in the NE of England. Charged at home where I could manage a time charge on octopus go 4 hours overnight charge between 00.30 and 04.30, the leaf having no in car control for 80% cut off on a 7 kw home charger. Earlier leafs evidentally did I am told but Nissan deemed it unessessary. The car was not excessively rapid charged. Nissan takes away a certain portion of the leaf battery anyway, so you can't access it and don't fully charge the battery to the actual 100 % capacity, that was the design safeguard. The car is never left for long perids on the charger at an indicated 100%, like you would like to believe. If you read the Nissan warranty, it says that they will only return the capacity to 9 battery bars out of 12, before 8 years, only repairing or replacing cells, not a new battery and only at their discretion I.e. no warranty at all. Also you have to pay for a battery check before any claim, which like I said has no guarantee of being fulfilled before the 8 years were up. I had 8 battery bars just before the 8 years were up, which if I had made a claim and they honoured it, which they didn't have to ( at their discretion ) they would have only taken the capacity up 1 bar for a short period before it inevitably degraded again. So what was the point. Now down to 7 battery bars after the 8 years was up. EV's are not fit for purpose as I have said and also like I said, all lithium ion batteries degrade with time and use cycles. It is just what they do. I also have a 16 year old Mercedes E Class diesel, which has been brimmed constantly and filled at an energy rate many multiples faster than rapid charging the leaf and still has the 650 mile range I bought it with and still does 51 mpg at highway speeds, at a much cheaper cost than rapid charging an EV on a run. Like i said, I will never buy another EV again, only a fool would. This is my response pal, from a real EV consumer. I won't rub it in though and tell you about my other, other car, a 20 year old Mazda MX5, which also works perfectly well. If you insist on an EV's battery only being charged to 80%, then you can reduce the real world ranges for the Citroen proportionately, which makes it even worse, i.e., 116 and 88 miles respectively, which is atrocious. When I bought my EV, there was only a few on the road, the majority of EV's now are fairly new and haven't had the chance to show severe degradation. One thing for certain, you won't see a 20 year old EV.

[@NobbyOnCars]

@@stevezodiac491 interesting to hear your experience. I don’t think anyone is in the dark about lithium batteries degrading, I guess replacing the cells would’ve been better than nothing. I do think we’ll see 20 year old EVs but it will be car / brand specific. I’d be very surprised for example if there’s not 20 year old Teslas, Toyotas, BMWs, BYD etc Have a 20 year old MX-5 myself, great car. On the Citroen, which is not your car, the battery chemistry is quite different. LFP batteries will become more prevalent in cars. For every Merc story, there’s another one that gave endless trouble, that’s just the nature of cars. There’s plenty of Leafs still knocking around despite your experience of a bad one so it’s hard to generalise about these cars from one example.

[@stevezodiac491]

Still won't buy another one. Fool me once blame you, fool me twice blame me.

[@francisdoran971]

​@@stevezodiac491Sorry for you hearing about your battery woes, but you have to remember that the Leaf battery is accepted to be one of, if not the worst performing EV battery out there. No battery cooling system built in and apparently not the best composition either. The Leaf is renowned for battery degradation. Newer EVs and even similar vintage Ioniq 28 are not suffering the degradation problems that early Leaf owners have experienced. Better battery composition and liquid cooling means a more modern EVs battery should last MUCH longer than the Leaf's. One disadvantage of being an early adopter. You pay more and development rapidly leaves your vehicle obsolete. Unfortunately.

[@diarmuidlucey7482]

If EV drivers are so concerned about saving the environment, should they not keep their car for 10+ years instead of trading in every 3 years for the latest model?

[@PixelVibe42]

Or keep the car you already have, look after it, keep it for as long as possible?

[@diarmuidlucey7482]

​@@PixelVibe42 REDUCE (car production) REUSE (Keep reusing the same car) RECYCLE (Fix or repair using recycled parts from damaged cars) This will always be the most environmentally friendly means of transport

[@Whizzy-jx3qe]

I wouldn’t consider owning an EV environmentally friendly because of the metals used to produce a battery. This is due to the significant amount of energy required for the procurement of raw materials and the manufacturing process itself.

[@michaelkilbride2927]

Evs bombs on wheels look up eV fires worthless in 3 years its a scam throwaway cars telephone number size repair bills just hope the battery doesn't go bang when your in it

[@Orange_Manbaby]

It takes 2 years to break even on carbon.

[@hellounbox]

Some of my friends who test it in Italy say to stay away from it! It's a vision this car not so much the engine but it sucks everything

[@anonimato1987]

Around 25k for a glorified Fiat Panda?! Are we going insane? Can't even fit 2 proper suitcases in that trunk. Gasoline cars are also insanely expensive. Real estate prices have also astronomical. I guess we'll end up living in our cars like the Americans.

[@diegomurgia5363]

I dont like🥴

[@glenndavid8725]

Looks like a brick.

[@michaelkilbride2927]

A bomb on wheels telephone size repair bills just hope the battery doesn't go bang when your in it or have your power to get home worthless in 3 years time no secondhand value you might as well burn your money in the middle of the road you are very good at reviewing cars but if you told the truth about them the manufacturer would not let you near there cars

[@Orange_Manbaby]

Do you believe any BS you read on Facebook?

[@NobbyOnCars]

God such a yawn comment. Move along now.

[@michaelkilbride2927]

@NobbyOnCars l was expecting more from you but you have to play the game noting personal

[@NobbyOnCars]

@@michaelkilbride2927 it’s just an excuse for ignorance, must get boring trying to absorb all the waffle everyday to regurgitate it again on comments such as the one above

[@michaelkilbride2927]

@lucasroper46 I am a mechanic for over forty years I have completed a course on ev repair I know how dangerous there battery's are in there present form and how expensive they are to repair and how uninformed the average person is i just dont like how the motor manufacturers lie to people about evs

[@marley2319]

Anything made in China I try to avoid, it’s hard going but I try my best not to give money to China. Surly the French can get the battery somewhere else??

[@safercyclinguk]

France will soon be making batteries using French minerals following a huge discovery in their own backyard.

[@marley2319]

@@safercyclinguk That’s some good news then! We should not be giving china money and helping them build up their war Machine!!! Their aggression around the world will only get worse!!

[@jonitan76]

Citroen EC3 sold in indonesia with 20k usd (with 200km range). it's made in india. i heard it was around 10-12k usd in india. more likely it was made in india than china. about the battery, more likely citroen will use indian battery.. but i am not sure about it, unless some one open the case of the batteries inside the car

[@7b4solar]

It is almost impossible to avoid China, EU is way after and the european carindustry is stupid and continue put out petrol cars instead of start fight back china's dominance. Europe need to manufactor/mining LFP battery solutions and put out affordable cars but it is clealy going way to slow.

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

Its made in Europe