How Growth Can Balance Budgets in Cities Skylines 2! | SB 2

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Y’all know this is heading to a poll on the community tab.

[@SxSxG666]

When do we get "Let's respect the topography" shirts?

[@Astradyne]

​@@SxSxG666 I have one!!!! I got it as a gift from his shop. But don't machine dry it ): I made a huge mistake...

[@bleh-v8q]

@@SxSxG666 It already exists in his shop, look in the description

[@SxSxG666]

@@bleh-v8q Let's catch my royalties :)

[@PoplarPonderosa]

4:55 "pop on over to our power plant" *pans over to lone wind turbine* 😅

[@moonlight-hm4bh]

He did say it was a power plant, not a power forest

[@CityPlannerPlays]

@@moonlight-hm4bh

[@PoplarPonderosa]

@@moonlight-hm4bh touché

[@dbriley18]

lol

[@VaingloriousGaming]

18:46 ok friends, how many episodes before CPP snaps and smooths that hill by the church? :)

[@AlyxiSistahTweaky25]

Next episode it will be smooth, but not on camera. :)

[@brandonrashall9157]

@@AlyxiSistahTweaky25 agreed

[@theorixlux]

Yeah, but I'm happy he's trying not to smooth everything. Although that probably deserves a quai wall or some retaining boulders

[@slim_0058]

Put some rocks and foliage on it! Promise he'll like it a lot better + look more realistic

[@bizzmpp]

Three episodes from now he does it off-camera and never mentions it.

[@unroyalty]

This is giving me such Verde Beach nostolgia, I keep expecting you to pan the camera and see a fire burning in the background 🔥 🔥🔥

[@swerdnal]

Give it time. I'm sure the arsonist will move over soon enough.

[@bobbyaxelrod5959]

Basically same name. Basically same layout. I’m disappointed with this one. Gonna skip for other cities being built.

[@Summergale413]

@@bobbyaxelrod5959 Quick hint: "Segunda" means "second" in Spanish. It's *supposed* to feel like Verde Beach but in CS2.

[@vineousvondrake2456]

CS2 seems to have more of a problem with tornados than fire lol

[@TT-ih6xi]

Hello Phil, fellow city planer here! Since you removed Myrtle street you should rotate the high school’s sport field 90 degrees so it doesn’t cut in to the hillside as much. That would help to get a less steep slope and also allow for a drainage ditch alongside :)

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Hey hey!! You're right about that! Let me see if I can take that Mulligan without being too destructive.

[@t.j.webster5545]

23:10 Houstonian here. When we need to keep our stadiums from flooding, we often surround them with ditches to redirect water flow, and put little foot path bridges over them. you can do this in vanilla with paths/roads to block the terrain brush from going too wild, and put a little set of flood control ditches around/near the high school

[@t.j.webster5545]

and yes, you can make them smooth/not jagged

[@shanky-tk6nc]

I can already see some San Francisco-esque tram lines running through the city.

[@truedarklander]

INSHALLAH 🙏🙏🙏 one billion trams please

[@morganunraveled]

this series is off to an amazing start and bringing so much comfort. very reminiscent of Verde Beach! I found you from the Verde Beach series during my pregnancy almost 3 years ago now and binge watched hundreds of hours of it while on bed rest, to the point where I’m pretty sure my son recognized your voice when he was born. flash forward now he is 2.5, when I put your videos on the tv and he will yell “TRAIN!” whenever he sees rail. thank you for making these videos and bringing so much joy and comfort to my/our lives!

[@howard494]

"I'm sure the EPA would have an issue with this...but we're gunna do it anyway" lolol

[@kevcrabill7921]

I think he says things like this to build in the narrative when he needs to hand us a mulligan.

[@kelleroid]

quite the unusual power fantasy going on

[@xarkkal7662]

I mean, we're heading into Trump era EPA, so I'd say it's pretty realistic. 😅

[@Jesusistheking2023]

"Back in the green again " touchs it immediately, turns red

[@RedBear345]

Re: Terrain Smoothing. My guess is communities with low rainfall and cohesive soils don’t bother, but the opposite conditions would call for more extensive erosion considerations. Phil, just do what feels right. At the end of the day, you gotta love your build, too! Wouldn’t want you to lose interest, cuz then we couldn’t watch over your shoulder. 😊 Edit: I just realized we can do aqueducts with surfaces!

[@viceroni]

As a resident of San Luis Obispo County, this geography is spot on for Morro Bay. Great job

[@JojowBR]

I think an exposed slope, like a scar on the earth, is beautiful? Of course not. I think it's realistic. At least, that's how it is here in Brazil. When large-scale earthworks are done for roads or construction, some slopes remain unfinished. Whether it’s to avoid encroaching on private property, reduce costs, or for other reasons, it’s common here. Leaving the slope exposed sacrifices beauty for realism. That’s it, my friend. But you're the one playing. We LOVE watching you play. If you want everything neat and perfect like a fairytale, go for it! I adore how your grids are so organic and resemble real cities. They’re not all straight and perfect like Barbie’s town... That’s just who you are and how you play. I’m fascinated by realism. When it comes to slopes, you prefer beauty, and that’s okay. Be happy because you bring us joy in your own way.

[@danielchick1]

I personally think there is beauty in realistic non-beauty, the very fact it isn't beautiful, and is simply reflecting reality, is in itself beautiful

[@LiliDaviault-Campbell]

about playa de segunda boulevard : calling it segunda playa blvd would probably work better, the current name would translate to « beach of the second » or even « second-class beach ».. i’m sure the residents wouldn’t want to be called second class right?

[@jdzla]

I agree, Segunda Playa works better

[@frenchfriar]

Thank you, Phil, for not grading away those sharper cuts. That kind of landscaping, where you're moving so much dirt, is *really* expensive. So it's really not done that often. Especially not around here.

[@Adrianithus]

13:15 There's actually quite a few quarries near where I live and I actually drive past one thats right next to a river on my way to work every day so I would think this is fine. All the quarries I see have large burms covered in fairly dense foliage blocking them from view from the road. Might be a detail to add.

[@leestoddart7014]

I vote for less smoothing. I think the side beside the church could be a retaining wall or even a rock face. Where you have placed the sports stadium I suspect it should be raised somewhat - so the soil dug from the high side fills in and raises the low side. then some more moderate smoothing could be applied. Loving your work.

[@qers]

Rock faces is a good point, California is full of rocky cliffs in backyards (or even half under houses)

[@Vyrus_101]

I agree

[@thedoctor4637]

35:30 You got ride of the urban rallycross jump. A gathering place for the community, where grandfathers watch the problems get solved, fathers help fix the problems, sons watch the problems happen, and tow trucks clean up the problems; all leading to a better mechanic garage industry!

[@torreyahlgren]

I know you’re not re-creating Morro Bay, but the thought that the “no growth” mindset there could be overcome is inspiring!

[@ubiquitousbear]

That view from the top of the trail near the church looking at the “lighthouse” reminded me of being at the top of Lombard Street and looking out across to Coit Tower in San Francisco

[@EternalGamingNet]

I imagine the mining near the creek/river is the land operation of sand dredging in the river. Great addition to the city today!

[@izzatsufian2796]

The Segunda Beach series looks better and hope the series is getting recognition same as the Verde Beach

[@williammckelvey2677]

It would be great to see other religous buildings too! A mosque, a gurdwara, an aatishgarh, a synagogue...

[@herdonagel]

I’ve been hearing the “mess up” music a lot in other content and it makes feel very superior knowing its origin in Master Plan music. Thank you Phil for the hours of entertainment. Enjoying it from Cape Town South Africa 🙏🏼

[@OnTheNerdySide]

Instead of the tiny roundabout at the forestry area, you could put in some alleyways that surround a small parking lot or even just a pavement or dirt patch that would suggest a parking lot or staging area.

[@jacobite2353]

Or a dedicated bus turning area, a couple of villages near me have them at the end of their roads.

[@ellag.7431]

13:07 Mining occurred in Morro Bay for over 80 years as Morro Rock was quarried with explosives. The height map you used for Morro Rock is its current size, which is only 2/3 the mass of its original size. Most of the height remains intact, with the majority of the mining occurring from the sides. This mining was particularly disruptive due to the fact it is a nesting site for the locally endangered peregrine falcon and a sacred site to the native Chumash people. At this time, direct access to Morro Rock is restricted; only the Chumash are allowed to climb the rock twice a year for a diving ceremony.

[@TinyTownBuilder]

I think the hill by the church would require some type of erosion control. With the background of it being an old part of the city, the road would most likely have been widened at some point requiring them to cut into the hill and leaving that sharp drop-off. Possibly a retaining wall depending on the expense limits of the project. But some simple landscaping could also easily control the erosion and may have been requested by the church for aesthetic reasons.

[@BJP88]

The big sandy island in front of the city, you can make in a wildlife sanctuary. With some tourist destinations on it . Such as a few vacation houses and wildlife education house with a restaurant on one end. And a few pedestrianspaths through the island. And only a ferry connection. Some thing like "de Marker Wadden" in the Netherlands.

[@IONATVS]

There are also several wildlife preserves on the Channel Islands off the coast of California, and California is the direct inspiration for this area, so would fit well.

[@BJP88]

@IONATVS nice, i am from the Netherlands so that's where I got it from. Don't know about the Californian one, but the Dutch one is artificial. Because the water condition was poor for the fish in the former Zuider zee.

[@_fruitnveg]

Its your city Phil, smooth those lumps and edges to your hearts content. We can always have cliffs in our own ones. Also, I think you should turn the middle row of french rows on the bayfront around to face the sea. I feel like its a bit weird them facing away, even with windows on the rear of the properties.

[@silentslaughter4108]

I really appreciate your videos. Its really helped me build a narrative around my cities and building them out with a purpose. My old cities I only ever tries slamming everything together to make a giant city as fast as possible and now I like going block by block making each space special and working on projects like a college campus, detached worker towns, and industrial hubs.

[@monkalonk3035]

As someone who just bought CS II and could NOT balance a budget, this is a very timely video 😂

[@TatWVUFan]

Love what you did with the church on the hill near the cemetery. Maybe consider a few mausoleums scattered on the hillside giving the path more of a reason to be there? And for the record, I have no problem with you smoothing things out. :)

[@TwisterNet1]

Phil built a mining industry by the river, which made me think obsessively about saturnism spike on the local citizens throughout the entire gameplay

[@heartlessgaming2250]

Thank you for not sloping everything! Sloping is fine but realistically there would be projects where money would be saved by not sloping whether because of bed rock or cost concerns.

[@bramusation1696]

OMG!? Did he just leave cliff textures next to the church, is this one of those anomalies I've heard about? Amazing!

[@noahkohn9350]

We have a large park in our community that has multiple sports fields that serve a secondary function as flood drainage retention ponds. No reason why your high school sports stadium can’t serve the same ulterior purpose. Maybe the school district even got a rebate for engineering the stadium for this purpose, which is how they afforded to build it in the first place.

[@elliotmead3630]

Loving your work CPP! Can tell this new saves going to be a banger! Just thought it would be nice to connect that hiking trail up to the church somehow so if you did want to make that the destination of your walk you could

[@brandonrashall9157]

I know you want this to be as vanilla as possible BUT i would love to see the custom road builder make it in and give the streets some form of identity other than a name! (More of a wish not a want, and definitely not telling you what to do, it is YOUR series and no matter your choice i will enjoy it!)

[@EricMesa]

What I like about a vanilla only city is that it's "easy" to make a pretty city with mods. But making a pretty city with Vanilla takes real skills. Can't wait to see where this goes in future episodes.

[@arizali_]

What a beautiful city 😀 Thank you for the new series 🤩 About smoothing, I see your point. When you smooth the terrain, you feel like the terrain was never altered but in real life, at least in my country, rough cliffs are natural as smooth hills. Don't worry about them.

[@kingsesaw]

And in places where cliffs aren't common, rough cutouts show up all the time, especially near major roadways

[@Julia_and_the_City]

Really adore the french style social houses and what you did with them surrounding the high school campus like that. It feels like it could be a very vibrant local community and it does the high school stadium justice. Very pretty.

[@ПупсикКирюша]

Nice music btw planting goes hard🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥 keep it up, yo also groovin with gary is so energetic

[@PSYCHOpaty4]

I love those cliffs that you usualy smooth. They show that the terrain was changed by people and I think it adds realism to the build. Keep them atleast near roads please

[@AlbaLada]

I'm loving this build so far! Building in Vanilla trying to working with the grade, while balancing community amenities and budget. The series is also based close to home!

[@tr1ppn.]

22:55 - Hey look! Now the High School has a combination outdoor stadium AND pool!! 😂

[@eggla21]

🏭 love seeing the vanilla workarounds in this series!

[@clumsyturtle1706]

Stormwater Design Engineer here, all of the roads are curbed, catching the hill stormwater runoff. The track field would likely just have a couple of catchbasins and piped to the storm system in the curb line. Furthermore, the city would have planned for this knowing ponds aren't feasible, and a large regional basin would be created outside the city to serve as storage for all of the stormwater from the town.

[@lukasr5867]

Would you really need an artificial basin when you already have the pacific ocean at the lowest point of your city? Shouldn't that be able to take up any stormwater?

[@clumsyturtle1706]

@lukasr5867 The lake and ocean can definitely take on the stormwater. Some places avoid this practice because the water is generally polluted, and so there is usually a treatment plant or a regional basin that can settle out pollutants before it goes into bodies of water. This is especially important if there are wetlands or important biolife in an area. It all depends on local regulations really.

[@keenanlprice]

You should run the red line bus route through the hillside neighborhood. It will allow them to access downtown and make use of the second highway access.

[@ItsKinkyBoots]

Sure maybe EPA doesn't but I like your aggregate mine at 13:45! I lived in picturesque Columbus OH and my favorite part was their metro park system. One of them called Prairie Oaks used to be a quarry along a river, which they eventually filled with water and converted into a park (with a dog beach) to preserve the wetlands and local ecology. Not that you're planning your aggregate mine's ultimate demise

[@miss-magic-maya]

Considering the next US administration wants to get rid of the EPA that probably just adds realism ;_;

[@moustxche]

its funny seeing this part where you couldnt let the bus turn around like that, and remembering that in my college there's a bus route where the bus turns right into a street, picks people up there, then does a 180 and then turns right again continuing the normal path

[@GreyKatchup]

I love a new city start 🎉 I kept updates on Magnolia so I’m so glad I caught this from the beginning! Brings me such joy!! ❤❤

[@Mithraschosen]

The football field stormwater retention system idea is a great addition to the community! lots of easy land to put chambers underneath, and helps keep the neighborhoods from flooding with no additional land usage. Turns out that sloped land was a great addition from a realistic standpoint! 👍

[@ayoubrachidi2668]

This city is looking so nice. Love the smaller scale approach you're taking. Proper lets play style. Cant wait for the next one.

[@davidkehoe8743]

Love the path textures on the farms making those additional buildings fit in more naturally.

[@Thompson8200]

I honestly really do like that you left that bit unsmoothed!

[@phoenix402]

@@Thompson8200 opposite for me, i'm definitely on team smoothen

[@mallenwho]

If you need to continue growing the city without building tiles, you can develop new minor towns on the other plots you start on. Really build out a regional vibe. They wouldn't need full services, they can rely on Segunda Beach for services.

[@EricMesa]

He did that with the other CS2 series. Maybe it's coming here too. Then again, Verde Beach was mostly continuous from the origin point.

[@arjungovindan1642]

“Take out a loan and just build the harbor anyways” That doesn’t sound financially irresponsible at all 😂

[@UnCrownedkingg]

Commenting to let you know i really appreciate the high quality videos and editing and how you incorporate a little bit of a story in your lets play series. The work you put into your videos are refreshing, keep it up 👍

[@Pixzli]

I love this series so much!! I'm an avid lurker but thought I should comment something today to say thank you for all these amazing videos that keep me company whilst i build my own city hihihi

[@JoshColletta]

Y'know, this is giving me flashbacks... the church that I went to as a kid was just down the road from Miami's County Line Road "tower farm," where almost ALL of the radio and TV stations transmit from, and every once in a while, in the middle of a service, we'd hear a burst of Madonna or Prince 😆

[@rileywhetstone1755]

I like the way you leave space between the farm and the roads. And as for smoothing cliffs, I say you be you. 😀

[@greenfalcon4317]

I’m pretty sure they said that a vanilla line tool is coming with the second Detailer’s patch

[@zandilar630]

I recently went on a trip to NSW (I live in Victoria), and looking at all the cuttings and raw "cliff" faces along the trip reminded me of you CPP. ;)

[@qyvonl5876]

It looks amazing. I do think that normally towns like to spread out more along the water before expanding up a hill. Keep up the great work.

[@elderdragon5745]

The block I like the most so far is the three pad layer french-style. That looks so much like something I'd see in my town, it makes me happy.

[@alexward3015]

I love the stadium being surrounded by the hill. It reminds me of a lot of the high school stadium in my state. West Virginia has so many mountains that most of our stadium look like that.

[@Pakulia]

No, please continue to just smooth everything! I can feel the catharsis through these videos :D

[@Franimus]

Love the video as always! I think the trees behind the gazebo are hiding the church and that wouldn't fly. Should be able to see it from nearly anywhere. Also the hike is legit, many people would actually use that to walk to church. Especially if parking is crowded! 😂😅

[@subressor1]

That intro could be used as a tutorial and also an ad for the game, so well made!

[@jonblair5470]

To answer your smoothing out topography question. I think you should do what you want. Like I’ve never drove or hiked a path where the switchbacks were flat, you always do that but I don’t comment how ridiculous it is. It clearly makes you able to build the roads/paths up mountains easier and make them more realistic to you, so continue to do what you want. People watch you because you are unique, if you become someone that does what everyone wants then you will become a puppet like many others!

[@luksamislavbarisic8249]

It s not a big deal, but i think that the agregat mine would be flooding because it is under the river so water could seep through the ground.

[@awolfalone2006]

Locally to me, there are several gravel pits that are or have harvested old gravel banks along rivers. They do flood. The water is pumped into ponds, which can be decommissioned pits, to evaporate. When the pit is played out, sometimes it becomes a park pond, sometimes a wildlife refuge, sometimes they are filled in with demolished building materials.

[@luksamislavbarisic8249]

@awolfalone2006 Good point, i forgot about gravel. It could also be clay

[@spkennedy951]

Here in Nebraska, we put tons of aggregate facilities along the rivers. Once they're done in the area, you have a sand pit that they often sell lots on for high end housing. Our aggregate mines look nothing like the ones in game, but the EPA definitely has regulations in place for situations like this.

[@Haalaine]

Lovely build as always. I like the mix of smoothed and unsmoothed, having the patches and occasional stretch of unsmoothed terrain just feels more realistic to me. Also, it's very striking the difference between what you're able to do with the vanilla farms here compared the Magnolia County's farms from a few weeks ago.

[@kowhaiii]

Loving this series so far!! And im 1000% on team smooth terrain. The jankiness just doesn’t agree with me lol. The flat geometry of CS2 can't quite hit the mark for cliffs, and thats coming from someone who's entire area is full of them!!

[@Fosterhoch8473]

It could be cool to see some SB-inspired graffiti or a mural done for the community on the retainer wall. Love the videos!

[@BearlyRelevant]

I love the heart shaped tile hidden in the water! ❤

[@legojenn]

When you removed the dip in the road by the high school, I could imagine a collective groan from the town's 12 year-old boys.

[@nikolaiross]

Don't know if you'll see this. But a suggestion from my recent holiday to another state in Australia. Went to Brisbane, Queensland for two weeks and I love bus stops being integrated into old buildings and buildings of importance, like hospitals. Bus routes have their own underground network and above ground they have their own lanes (except on highways). Another thing is trains, trams and busses all being in close proximity of each other and bus routes running to train and tram stations. Or all three in one spot. Edit: Look up Helenseville, Gold Coast for a good example of the three in one station. Oh and *everything* is in walking distance.

[@Fungi733]

19:17 I love to smooth because the tool is just too good not to use! KEEP SMOOTHING!!!

[@Koka_Kolaa]

Loving the vanilla series so far. Yay for Segunda Beach

[@itstdow]

I don’t believe you wouldn’t see a church on a hill too steep for grass to grow since appearances matter quite a bit. It’s a respect thing, and without smoothing that area, it looks less loved and cared for. When it comes to grieving families, small things like the state of the grass at the church they mourn in feel all the more comforting ❤

[@apologu]

some neighborhood or town name suggestions: Chorro, Chorro Creek flows into the estuary and is within the Chorro Valley, Chorro street is also an important street in SLO. Baywood, it’s a community that sits on the back bay and is super fitting Los Osos, the valley of the bears… rawr! California brown bears are an old symbol of the state’s beautiful wildlife (RIP)

[@apologu]

I also think adding names from the local Chumash language would help give this area depth

[@mollieherlocker5918]

Californian here: good call on not smoothing around 18:46. The vast majority of our hillsides are just cut through with retaining wall sorts of things, not smoothed. And if Segunda Beach is supposed to be in California... sorry, dude, you can't smooth. ;)

[@isebasforeberath4271]

I'd say slope it how you want. Thought I do love the rocky hills driving towards the Ozarks in Missouri. I think the first neighbor you built by the beach, probably the richest area, would want a dog park to take their purse dogs.

[@Rangatology]

I can’t unsee it! Your Segunda Beach logo/picture looks like a very colourful Death Star 😂

[@emmaceleste_]

a comms tower on a cliffside by a street feels extremely CA that feels good. i wonder if it’s possible to create surfaces that would allow for the layers upon layers of sedimentary rock shoved into the sky by CA’s chaotic geology

[@Not_Dane_Heart]

At some point when the aggregate mine is done, it should be filled by the river that it is next to to form a recreational lake. I get that a lot near where I live, great for sailing clubs.

[@d1p]

Some community ball fields are designed to flood, to serve as a retention basin. It keeps water out of the streets and people weren't playing in the rain anyway. They tend to have a drainage outlet though.

[@KrashFries]

19:19 temporarily delete hawthorne street, push the ledge all the way to where the street would be (except for the part facing the top intersection - that part doesn’t need a retaining wall), then redraw the street so that a retaining wall spawns in.

[@EricMesa]

I wonder how my fellow CPP fans feel, but watching you add trees to the farm, it doesn't look like you have the line tool and I think that's QoL tool that's OK for vanilla

[@raph485]

I like the little trail up to the church! Not a waste of time at all. :D

[@noemierollindedebeaumont1130]

Hi Phill, great episode, a great deal got accomplished ! Some feedback, could you lower the volume of the music when you're timelapsing ? I find it is a bit higher than your voice volume I am so excited for this series !

[@sethmoyer]

The terrain smoothing doesn't usually bother me, but my pet peeve is converting vast swathes of land to manicured grass 😅

[@intakeofcl]

Just keep sloping near the coms tower and church, I just enjoy watching you build bro!!

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

9:28 That is some fascinating zoning squares that tool has chosen to make.

[@kelmouse29]

In New York City the department of environmental protection is adding storm runoff tanks and storage that would blend under parks and sports fields. The cost is minimal in comparison to expected flood damage 😅

[@ajjivackovic1782]

13:04 Oh my dear boy no!!!! How could you!! The poor fish! My heart is broken

[@Vyrus_101]

I live in Ventura, CA and I love Morro Bay Area. It’s funny watching you make a city on this map and I’m thinking, that’s not how it is…I know you’re not copying the city though, but it would be cool to see you pull from parts of it. There’s a little 9 golf course on the south side of the bay (along with the smaller town of Los Osos). Can’t wait to see this town grow and if you decide to make a CA freeway run through… Also, love the three homes on the beach, feels historic.

[@dannypanjaitan5323]

hi there, its midnight here in indonesia inlove your videos, i stayed up late to watch it great job man👌

[@michalinadabrowska1392]

Girl don’t listen to malcontents!!!! You do you!!! Smooth surfaces are amazing!!!

[@tsukikagemikazuki7826]

I mean, its alright to smooth it here, the main criticism of smoothing I have is next to roads and train tracks, because even if its dangerous and often needs metal nets, it happens sooooo often, at least in Central Europe.