Civ 5 AI Only Timelapse: Face to Face

[@e1123581321345589144]

Ah, yes. A real turning point in history; when the Inca lost London to the Spanish in 1988.

[@ahmetsaidgurdal4223]

Actually Spanish retake London rom Incas

[@sird135]

Ah, yes. Very dark times for the defeated and triumphant times for the victorious.

[@Pedro-ug2cn]

Who else thinks smallpox, Spanish unique troop, is too overpowered?

[@Mizir-pq7jf]

Inca vs spain Me: here we go again

[@leaderunith4l324]

Ah yes, the Spanish and the Inca, there’s only one way this can go *Bring out the smallpox blankets*

[@Anonymos185]

3:56 Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[@kamilkowalczyk7195]

Honestly it was fascinating to see the way Inca lost: they had slightly more population and better economy than Spain, but they simply had terrible naval strategy. Through the entire competition Spain had more advanced ships, produced more of them and amassed them in one place instead of spreading randomly. Through the Great Inca-Spanish War, Inca were constistently incapable of using their land superiority because of insufficient navy - they briefly taken two northern cities but *couldn't maintain landing operations because of bad navy*. This entire conflict to me is similar to German invasion on France in 1940 where both sides had similar numbers with slight Allies advantage, but Germany won because of much better doctrinal use of modern weapons (tanks mainly). On civdata.com/ you can check AI personality biases for civ5 leaders and see how Spanish AI puts much more emphasis on navy than Inca, that proved crucial on this map.

[@Buildnstack]

Tis Civ 5, not Hearts of iron.

[@Senza32]

Yeah once I saw that wall of battleships I knew it was over, naval gunnery is no joke.

[@toxicpanda36]

The most important distinction is that when Spain finished its southern probing and invaded London, Inca lacked the infantry, or any melee unit really, to do anything besides sit there and use rocket artillery, unable to contain the Spanish advance in the same way that Spain contained the Inca when they took the northern cities

[@jesuschrist8178]

I love when there are two equally matched civs at the end :)

[@correctorer]

No wonder you got crucified

[@maxfer1002]

Spain defeated the Incas once again

[@teheles]

Definitely, the Spanish will always be opposed to Pre-Columbians in the last round.

[@ugursarp7349]

They lost to Spain... again.

[@fernandoraymundo3934]

:(

[@mkll3233]

Yeah, but Spain In civilizations 6 is kinda trash

[@paulreeves4567]

History repeats its self.

[@simmerke1111]

Was waiting for Paris to make their power play.

[@m_fairie]

And thus, history repeats itself. The old world vs the new world.

[@nikitakrim02]

I recall something from history class about London and Wiena being in the Americas, yes

[@kaleba7339]

@@nikitakrim02 Maximilian of Habsburg (house of habsburg) second emperor of Mexico, and Emperor Norton, emperor of U.S.A and protector of Mexico. Y E S

[@user-ft3jq5vi2l]

I like how this just turned into a massive trench battle

[@PeterBarnes2]

I think the result can be narrowed down to 4 options from the start. The map doesn't give the same conditions to all 6 civs on each side: the ends have less competition, which would be an advantage for a player, but the AI simply acts passive. The other 4 civs on each side are otherwise balanced in they're starting situation, but the AIs 2nd from the ends find themselves between a passive civ and an equal civ, whereas the civs in the center are between 2 active civs. Initially, center civs may respond by building up their military faster, even conquering many cities. A player would then be able to turn their larger empire into a great advantage, but the AIs instead fall behind in technology and happiness. Lastly, the civs on the ends are not equal. Paris almost has enough room for another city, but the AI finds that there aren't good enough locations at the start, and Spain takes the only opportunity France had. England and Korea are similarly boxed in, but manage to settle earlier, likely because they aren't, in the long term, as concerned about losing the culture game by having more cities. Songhai actually has more space than the others, and they are the only edge civ to settle two more cities. Into the details, the two contenders for the end of the game on the south-west side should've been the Celts and the Austrians. The Celts were indecisive about their first city, got into a war with England, and found themselves blocked out by the Inca, who take advantage of that situation. The Austrians are right next to the strongest edge-civ, Songhai, who is typically a more aggressive AI than the other edge-civs. After their last declaration of friendship expires, Austria enters a difficult war that could've been won if the Inca hadn't attacked right then. The rest is a trivial, if prolonged, exercise for the Inca. On the north-western half, Brazil miscalculates their forward settling. The borders between Busan and Onondaga are too tight, and the Iroquois actually settle, despite Brazil targeting them with a forward settle. Brazil is forced to put their third city as far away as it could possibly be. This seals the Brazilian coffin, as the AI does not manage the military positioning in this disjoint civ, and Korea does them dirty. Through this, the Iroquois and Indonesians are also disjoint, giving easy pickings for the Spanish, who otherwise have a game just as I laid out before. The edge civ is passive, the center civ is packed in too tight, so the 2nd from the edge takes everything. The important part is that Spain can actually be, politically, pretty quiet, while still being very influential. At 0:36, Austria and Spain both have 4 cities, one more than anyone else. Spain maintains a pop advantage, while Austria fights an exhausting war against America, at which point they eventually win a marginally higher population. Spain then takes the opportunity to take Sao Paulo because Korea destroyed Brazil's army, forcing them to invest in a new, now outdated one. This isn't about the Spanish AI being smart, really. Spain stumbled into a game where they could play to their positional advantages. By acting naively a little more peaceful, they became effectively more opportunistic. By taking only when it was easy, Spain could maintain a more progressive civ, presumably building more buildings sooner, instead of units. The Inca moved much faster, militarily. This is not a good thing, but it makes sense. They were a center civ, so they prioritized their military. They could defeat their neighbors, so they did; they need more units, they build them; they have more units, they use them. This cycle kept prioritizing building units. Spain's game prioritized building not as many units, or not as frequently. It's interesting to see this. Think about not just why things happened: the sequence of events, but why that was the sequence of events over another. This is interesting especially with AIs because they're sort of cute, how they mess up and fumble around, accidentally winning because they were really actually were supposed to win.

[@PeterBarnes2]

That's part of the fun of doing this kind of analysis, as I said in the last paragraph.

[@NoobMicesters]

Paris just like DONT MIND ME!

[@What_a_piece_of_work_is_a_man]

I can't believe the AI won

[@luminaryprism75]

The fact that it was these two Civs and their capitals right across from one another was oddly poetic. Really fun one!

[@themightyvidman6434]

not the first time the spanish have wiped out the inca

[@VavaValValouVali]

No one expects the Spanish inquisition twice

[@maxplasota4894]

Spain ends up crossing a sea to conquer an almost as strong and even more beautiful Peruvian civ. Funny.

[@yourethatmantis5178]

Spain vs The Incans... how oddly appropriate

[@liontamer2810]

The historically accurate Spain vs Inca

[@SoulseekerNF]

Except the capturing a couple of Spanish cities for a few turns. Imagine how funny would it be if they would actually have come to Spain and occupied a few of their cities in real life.

[@ruserification742]

history repeats itself ^^

[@nikitakrim02]

Yes, couse Austria-Hungary was indeed destroyed and conquered by Incas, and we all rember incan forces attaking Seoul in 1980s.

[@currently7886]

The Inca vs the Spanish. History repeats itself.

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

Gotta love how in the end its Spain against Inca empire. when history repeats itself just right ✋😖👌

[@JacksonGeary]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

[@Ennio444]

The Long Siege of Washington, 25-400 AD, a pivotal event in the Three Hundred and Seventy Five Year War, also known as the Austrian-American war, or the War of Jenkins' Ear.

[@ns6438]

Damn, Paris held out for a really long time. That's impressive.

[@Freedmoon44]

Found it funny to see 2 giants on the map, then this tiny little civ with one city just chillin after the rest was eaten

[@Hawktotalwar]

4:43 that was good comeback by the spanish. Good thing they reinforced it and open another front at the south.

[@SUKIYAKI1159]

Funny how when Spain finally does win, it's on a map with no natural wonders LOL

[@artemis01]

I love how right before the end they were like, let's just stop for a bit and trade, then get back to killing

[@subjecterino8848]

Poor Washington, never stood a chance

[@nickwestbrook5913]

There was a distinct moment at around 2:40 where the Incas should have taken Paris; at a moment when Spain was still pretty weak, it would have allowed them to bring land troops over to the east side easily and wear out the Spanish over time. It seems like the AI really doesn't like naval invasions though lol

[@kogerugaming]

It was really great battle. I was sure spain will be one dominating power, on the other side my hopes were with Austria. Spain could lose if he did not take the last resisting city in time, but he did, managed to push back to the sea every attempt taking his cities and after the enemy was tired he just crushed them. Awesome.

[@Airantu]

It is sad when history repeats itself. Incan Empire falls to the more technology advanced Spanish Empire

[@jorgegarrediez4341]

Yesss, im Spanish!! It's very unusual to see Spain win

[@IamHeks]

Spain at 5:10 "We don't feel like sharing this river anymore"

[@guilhermesapuda9538]

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition

[@pinkwings8036]

Seeing Spain get to 4 cities was when it was clear who was going to win, them taking London was the deathknell for the Inca.

[@adwipo]

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

[@Balnazzardi]

"In the age of chaos, two factions battled for dominance....."

[@TheLostArchangel666]

Well ain't this ironic...

[@luca920]

This is how I imagine the spaniards conquered America

[@felixw19]

Once Spain had a bridgehead in the new world (London), the Incas had no chance against them

[@Czechxican]

I thought Inca's had it with the invasion of Rio, but somehow the Spanish won it back and turned the tables by snagging London.

[@XenophonSoulis]

They had better science and I think their AI is more inclined to build ships.

[@professorbranch]

Left and right side went back and forth quite a lot. I had my suspicion that right would take when they were making Anti-Air while Left still had carvals. But left managed to clear the sea for a while. But when right came there was nothing left could do to stop it

[@hdckighfkvhvgmk]

I did not expect this Then again I don't think anybody did

[@largolagrange7]

Nobody expected the spanish inquisition!

[@toxicpanda36]

0:13 The mini-war between Brazil and the Iriquios to see who could cock-block the other the most is enjoyable af to watch RIP Austria, caught with its pants down during its war with Songhai, with half of its cities taken before the AI could even react. Spain v Inca was enjoyable to watch. Both sides actually had half the map, and there was no inherent disadvantage or weakness between the two; it was all up to civ bonuses and how the AI manages things. Though if anything, the fact Spain managed to suckerpunch Inca into oblivion is impressive, considering that they didn't take Paris until way later after Inca already unified their side, and Rio De Janero/Seoul rapidly exchanging hands really hurt the population of those two cities, hampering the overall production of the coastal cities by a lot, and giving Inca and advantage. Still, the probing around south at 5:00, combined with a solid push on London and the lack of melee units from Inca (all they could do was sit there and bomboard the cities with rocket artillery, without being able to push the Spanish out) really sealed the deal here. I really liked the paradrop by Spain at 4:31, and I wished that Spain would have done more of that. It could have been a very viable strategy here, what with how contested the sea is.

[@Qtoyghs]

I thought Spain had a considerable tech advantage for most of the conflict with Inca, which I reckon it did a pretty bad job of capitalizing on.

[@toxicpanda36]

Aye, that tech advantage was a major boon. Inca still gave them a run for their money

[@judahtirona9487]

The Inca made about at least 3 invasion attempts through the north but failed each time

[@michaelmarvin8860]

Turn 312 to Turn 408 = the closest you can get to world peace in an AI battle

[@Funkopedia]

Getting that 2nd city out is the most important thing. Spain was the 2nd one to expand.

[@JonatasAdoM]

So proud of my man, Pachacuti.

[@Bertie_Ahern]

Nice map. That Spanish tech lead was too great for them

[@kosiak10851]

0:45 what a backstab from neighbor after years of resisting Sea People!

[@Reggy2000]

2 lessons here: 1) Don’t get caught in the middle between 2 armies and 2) secure your entire front!!!

[@timm_3r]

Surprising France lasted as long as they did. I'd be curious to see the same scenario without a conquest victory condition.

[@Kastor774]

Controversy aside, happy Columbus Day.

[@splackna]

is it just me or civ 5 looks more visually appealing than civ 6?

[@sammym2511]

@Fierro It's because in Civ 6 they began using a new art style, less realistic and more cartoonish, and a lot of people didn't like that. That combined with some new elements of gameplay, are essentially the only reason why Civ 5 isn't obsolete.

[@Refloni]

I like the cartoonish style, but Civ 6:s *terrain* looks unbearably bland to me. The thick jungles and forests of Civ 5 look exciting and full of adventures in comparison.

[@jamiethannoo8559]

I think that's quite a common opinion. I like Civ 5's minimal and art deco style

[@caioribeiro5132]

Hum... So just like history... Well, not exactly like but you know what I mean...

[@jingpusun9255]

Saw the map and thought who made a simulation of the Canal of Suez

[@thelastpetrolbender2744]

suprisingly entertaining

[@MrKeiKuro]

That river are full with skeleton..

[@swahiliranger1022]

OH WOW SPAIN VS INCA HOW SHOCKING

[@authoraven]

ınca lost when he could not defend the seol and rio he got greedy getting 2 cities at once. And after that lost, that london take over was a nail to coffin.

[@kashtiranaxxheart]

Stares to find Carthage.

[@coultat]

Francisco Pizarro breathes relieved

[@lowlsqwid]

2:51. hmm i didn't realize when the city gets taken the great wall also changes. like with the fall of hiwatha the great wall expanded massively pretty much barricading spains inner cities

[@pablobarahona927]

12/10 is the national day of Spain 🇪🇸🇪🇸

[@meckell886]

The Spanish armada wins again

[@AlexanderPallares]

This is the only time I've ever seen Spain do well.

[@Oiltuber]

Spain previously won "Shadows of New World" at kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3SXZGmMiJuSY8k

[@spacexfan1281]

History repeats itself

[@isaiahbowie5807]

The Incas didn't advance fast enough during peace time, if they had they would've won

[@9051team]

Just like in real life....

[@KoobztheShawk]

that last picture is fucking incredible

[@m60a3tts2]

The classic "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight."

[@carlossantana4086]

Why the fuck does youtube insist on playing videos with tiny text in 360p

[@jeremygillespie4203]

The more tiny details in an image, the harder it is to compress. You want tiny text in high resolution, you need more bandwidth

[@rescyy2235]

Create a map separated in middle by mountains so civs can only reach eachother in the late game. (Don't forget about Carthage)

[@themangastand8475]

yes the person from the start i bet on won. I was getting nervous with a few points. Such as it taking them forever to conquer the east.

[@astabenderbiziktus5069]

5:10 ,,D DAY,,

[@TheSATNAV23]

This surely favours the strong early game nations. No good having a godly late game if you're dead in 30 minutes.

[@farouit2744]

hell yeah

[@JonatasAdoM]

And this is without nukes.

[@Fulgrim88]

Pretty savage backstab by the Incas there

[@georgschuetzenhoefer]

In Austria we have the saying "in Linz beginnts" (which means in Linz it starts). This time it ended in Linz. :)

[@Chromaray]

Declare war on me?!? You can't, because I declare war on you first! How has this happened? Someone has betrayed me!

[@natanmedeiros155]

Building battleships first decided the match. Damn the AI is bad at naval invasions the first few attempts were bizarre.

[@Oiltuber]

Interestingly, Inca actually got battleships first, at 4:27, while Spain still only had destroyers. But yeah, by around 5:00, Spain had gained a significant tech lead and built a much larger fleet of battleships.

[@natanmedeiros155]

@@Oiltuber Some AI seem to have bias toward certain units (and I think it's random each playthrough), maybe Spain's bias was more useful(battleships), sometimes an AI will build nothing but carriers 😂.

[@Oiltuber]

Yes, you can see the numerical values of the biases in the game's XML files. The Isabella AI's naval flavor value is 7, and the Pachacuti AI's naval flavor value is 4, so Spain tends to build more ships.

[@miss_aery]

one small village of indomitable gauls

[@thewall7927]

Technology boost is what made (the winner) win 😉

[@Anonymos185]

Just like real life Inca and Spain

[@christophercarter7552]

i definetely saw an Xcom unit there

[@DoABarrelRol1l]

Would the AI ever go for a victory other than domination- or are the other types disabled? Would be fun to see some civ hold up in the corner long enough to win with Tourism / Science or something seconds before they get invaded.

[@juanarevalo3687]

Probably is disabled, AI turns very agresive when you disable other victories

[@conradovillegasalvarado6392]

imagine Spain: IT'S OVER, I SIEGED SEOUL AND LONDON, YOU DIED! Korea: Nope, I took your culture out Spain: Wha- England: And I built a rocket to Mars. See ya you bugger! Spain:..

[@lordsoth84tr]

nobody expected the ...

[@Carnoali]

The historical accuracy at its finest. Tbh I was rooting for the inca this time around, the irony would have been too much.

[@Alex-bk5hc]

J Carno too bad the el dorado Nat wonder wasnt on the map

[@nikitakrim02]

Yes, couse Austria-Hungary was indeed destroyed and conquered by Incas, and we all rember incan forces attaking Seoul in 1980's

[@khuslen7601]

Was rooting for France all the way!!

[@Lyserus]

Dat London landing...

[@Illianor123]

No!!! I thought the Incans could have won one. So sad

[@Oiltuber]

>> No!!! I thought the Incans could have won one. So sad Inca has won before, for example "The Miner's Showdown" at kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmiQhp59bJKko8U.

[@champ719]

Вы тоже залипли в выживание Франции?)

[@MrMacejan]

For any fans of aibattles, i recommend civbattleroyale. 61civilizations on a big worldmap with a great community.

[@ahsansafdar4265]

how come ai never made any road??

[@marcnadeau5857]

When spain took london it was GG for the incas...

[@Banana_Zach]

10/10 comment out of context

[@fergus247]

does anyone have any statistics on these? Which civ has won the most games?

[@fatsumo]

those foxes by Machu were moving to the beat of the music, lol

[@asio6887]

В очередной раз Испанцы покорили Инков. P.S. Надеялся, что инки возьмут реванш хотя бы здесь.

[@Shef.moments]

Было ясно, кто первый сможет высадится на берегу противника-выиграет это партию. Инки зачем-то отдали реку и решили строить укрепления на берегу из пулеметов и артилерий, что не сыграло им на руку. Все же вначале я думал,что большее колличество захваченных городов у Инков поможет им, но не судьба

[@АнтонЛ-з1ч]

У инков флот слабый А гишпанец апнул фрегаты, потом линкоры и победил

[@Running_Colours]

Napoleon forgot to give a damn xD Now actually I think he was maybe a bit disadvantaged by the fact he was in the corner of the map with mountains behind him

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

having mointains at your back and being locked in a corner is an advantage. that means you're covered from the rear and you can concentrate your attacks in one direction. map boaders are natural barriers

[@calibra6831]

best battle

[@MundisMaple]

One of these days I will see Rome join the fight and finally win... so far they’ve only gotten their ass kicked.

[@Kevinofrepublic]

Stay blessed plebs. Spain is here to stay.