CIVIL WAR (2024) BREAKDOWN: Ending Explained & Details You Missed

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[@Chuck_EL]

17:19 That looks like the underpass near the Pnc Park stadium as well which would explain the "Go Steelers" spray painted sign

[@HybridGlobalCitizen]

Hmmmm nobody was using drones?

[@coldfate1]

I cannot believe that in this very video you perpetuated the lie of the "there were fine people on both sides" lie. The whole quote is after he said that there were fine people on both sides, "And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly." He was referring to the people there who were not Nazis and were just there to protest the taking down of statues that the media was trying to group into the Nazi camp. The media was trying to portray the right as a monolithic racist group, but also failed to mention all the horrible people on there left in the counter protest group there that only went to incite more violence that were JUST as bad as any racist. Those being people in Antifa. They're all just as reprehensible of a human being and only came to exercise their narcissism. So if you're going to make a video and insert your little opinion on something that happened 4 years ago, at least try to be honest, or at the very least not ignorance of the facts. Because there's no excuse for not knowing at this point, that lie has been debunked a ton of times. That is all.

[@coldfate1]

I cannot believe that in this very video you perpetuated the lie of the "there were fine people on both sides" lie. The whole quote is after he said that there were fine people on both sides, "And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly." He was referring to the people there who were not Nazis and were just there to protest the taking down of statues that the media was trying to group into the Nazi camp. The media was trying to portray the right as a monolithic racist group, but also failed to mention all the horrible people on there left in the counter protest group there that only went to incite more violence that were JUST as bad as any racist. Those being people in Antifa. They're all just as reprehensible of a human being and only came to exercise their narcissism. So if you're going to make a video and insert your little opinion on something that happened 4 years ago, at least try to be honest, or at the very least not ignorance of the facts. Because there's no excuse for not knowing at this point, that lie has been debunked a ton of times. That is all.

[@Paul20661]

just saw it and i loved it 18:02 haha lol,i am from Romania XD u said his name wrong ofc but it's okay I was not expecting to like this movie as much as i did,loved this vid too,thanks

[@youxknowit]

it doesnt tell you the backgrounds of the sides and factions because they dont want you "rooting" for one faction. they want you to feel like the journalist who has to be neutral throughout the situation

[@christinamarie6635]

That’s a really good point

[@wiiplaya25]

So once you get past the idea that journalists are supposed to be neutral (even tho as humans we all have leanings) what’s left? Shallow characters with some neat firefights? An abrupt ending? Some melodramatic death scenes? Meh

[@jmichaeldeane9966]

in this way, like a responsible journalist, Garland is remaining neutral as well.

[@ThePoliticalBulldog]

@@wiiplaya25 THIS

[@PureEvil1138]

Neutral journalist lol

[@zacharyhough6407]

I think they paired Texas with California so it didn't become a red vs blue topic for the film.

[@DuranmanX]

Now it's states that love Baseball vs those against

[@MobiusTrigger7]

Exactly what they did

[@legolad7477]

I think the only issue they would agree on is that nobody can agree on anything

[@theesethetron4593]

They know what they were doing

[@drgirlfriend211]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@booJay]

I guess Kirsten Dunst's character doesn't know how to tackle someone out of danger and not just stand there afterwards...

[@Jasen-M74]

Right. Poor acting.

[@CALMlikeAB0MB619]

@@Jasen-M74 Acting? you mean script writing

[@asiashields4420]

This part pissed me off.

[@Binderkrantzen]

@@asiashields4420 Liked the movie up until that moment, kinda killed the ending for me.

[@TheOldVeganDude]

I watched it on IMAX. WOW. So... I have to say as a veteran and a photographer, this is a motion picture about photographers covering highly dangerous situations. As a veteran I can say that the script, and cinematography was outstanding. This flick had me remembering things I didn't really want to remember and was highly convincing as far as effects go. All in all this movie was vary thought provoking. The fact that a civil war was exploding everywhere was a prop. The story is all about capturing history and trying to not get yourself killed, or becoming the center of the action. Good flick. Once is enough for me. The Sony Alpha 7 was a nice touch too. Thanks for posting.

It won’t go down like this, it won’t be how they think it’s going to be.

[@ShawsOwn]

Yours is a thoughtful take on this. I agree, the domestic civil war was just a prop for the larger theme of journalism. Probably the best way to hammer home the stakes of the stories being covered. I think this movie was a loving critique of journalism. Both praising its highest virtues & admonishing its worst traits. While also warning for & against its power. But also, the war itself really was done so powerfully. As another vet, I found myself watching the movie standing a few times.

[@r2witco]

I think one of the quotes you captured from the film sums it up, "We record so other people ask."

[@F3dB3aR]

Why is this being overlooked?

[@LaplacianDalembertian]

Journalist: "WAIT, I need a quote..."

[@user-tz2zz5ij1s]

Difference between photographer and reporter, as made clear in the scene.

[@juanguzman7939]

California and Texas aligning isn't to big a stretch considering that it's mentioned that Offermans character forced himself into a third term. I think it was a "the enemy of my end is my friend" type of alliance.

[@JJGaming2010]

Also two large standing military joint forces in both states. Both with large National Guard troop numbers, which seems to be the majority of their force in the film

[@Chuck_EL]

That makes sense and that definitely would happen as the director said

[@constructking8850]

Plus they where both there own nations, have the biggest economies in the nation, plus are just the largest of the continental states.

[@juanguzman7939]

@constructking8850 City states. I never thought of it like that. Old school like Sparta and Athens.

[@christopherpekel6096]

Or maybe the history in this fictional world is totally different to our own? Maybe California is still a conservative state?

[@cc_films]

It was scary intense that the soldiers had a kill without mercy mindset

[@LilySteph1949]

In real life, it’s called the police and they did it overseas and here working with police department so that’s reality. Where have you been?

[@8johh]

it rlly makes u think what could’ve happened to let these soldiers just completely ignore the geneva convention lol

[@georgevincentcorneby4023]

Yeah, That's why I don't believe in soldiers' "I'm just doing orders" shtick. If your orders are morally questionable, and you still follow it, then you should be held accountable.

[@swann433]

Like the US troops in Vietnam who killed villagers on orders and then said they were forced to do it. Nuremburg trials beg to differ.

[@TheBwalker97]

@@LilySteph1949meds, now

[@nelsonthedestroyer5262]

I feel like Garland really wanted to say no matter what side you are on,this would be horrific if it were to happen, and I feel like thats why he gave us no side to root for, and I think that was the right move.

[@WeirdCon]

I agree completely. I like that President Nick Offerman’s “atrocities” were kept vague because it makes the scene of WF forces slaughtering everyone inside the White House all the more brutal and chilling.

[@AtlasBliss]

"what kind of American are you?" = the entire nature of consciousness and love triumphing over war, boiled down to one brilliant movie scene

[@edgargomez2956]

For me this was the climax of the movie,I believe this type of scenario would be very common if a civil war were to brake out.

[@greyhoodie1012]

@@edgargomez2956would 1000% happen if this was real

[@Texasmule]

​@@edgargomez2956that or the common people of Mexico fighting for the U.S born family members and dragging mexico into the war by force and pillaging any settlement they find.

[@brya9681]

Did you watch the movie...where TF is any of that about love triumphing?

[@Tsegoo]

@@edgargomez2956 You will see it happen this decade

[@jojofeeny3730]

The whole time I watched this movie, I just felt this pit in my stomach. It was haunting. I think because it can be so close to reality, it could happen. Felt like I needed a shower after.

[@lisahardy2070]

Same! Literally the theater I watched it in was hot and muggy, and I felt dirty watching it. Like I was there with them. But still left confused.

[@AlexUSAF]

I felt the same way, in fact I saw this movie twice it was so good, & powerful. The CGI, & special effects were so amazing it felt like real combat. I hope that people who see this react with the lesson that we must avoid any real civil warfare in this troubled modern America today as much as possible. It must never become a reality.

[@Tmarc7665]

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you!

[@NaijaCINE]

Now you know how other nations feel about Hollywood movies based on wars in their countries. Entertain for some, trauma for others.

It won’t be like this, Marshall law would be declared quickly. It would be put down quickly

[@B3ASTBOi_]

I'm bummed out they didn't give Nick Offerman more screen time

[@PokeGrillz]

Bet he was there for 1 day of shooting lol.

[@aluxious]

Yeah him and Jesse Clemons are two of my favorite actors.

[@drakenblazinggaming5478]

I think they handled that well bc he’s not the main character and it sets the question they had: is he alive? The sets are staged, and there’s a lot of confusion if he can be executed or not

[@whatbreaksthesilence8508]

They should have included a scene where Nick couldn’t get any stake

[@dirtymartinez3692]

what made the movie great was that it didnt pick a side... it showed war is hell and no one wins

[@mariossecondcousin9376]

I’ve seen this take around and I think it’s inaccurate. The president’s forces are pretty clearly the bad guys in this film. He stayed in office after his 2nd term, disbanded the fbi, which is one of the powers keeping the president in check, and started killing innocent Americans. Although there are “bad people” on both sides the President’s faction are the bad guys.

[@jman4573]

Wym WF obviously won dummy

[@inventions178]

@@jman4573 But what side is WF on? Exactly... neutral still...

[@ok_schlatter]

@@inventions178the anti-fascist side.

[@erikschwartz1214]

I told my brother as soon as the credits rolled, and he even mentioned it, this is Apocalypse Now for the modern era

[@protiliusproductions]

Regarding context… I think he wanted us to focus on the outcome, not the smoking gun.

[@hansolsson874]

Yes, and at the winter-ambush one of the soldiers even explains it, something like: "We don't know who is commanding us, but a sniper is shooting at us - so we shoot back."

[@inxendere]

what outcome? hurr durr war bad?

[@kbanghart]

​@@hansolsson874exactly, so much of a real Civil War type of situation would be chaos. We can't see that perspective because we're not in it ourselves (yet)

[@tbone8636]

@@inxendere, having trouble formulating sentences? Outcome of the civil war not the moral of the story...

[@dudewhy6953]

@@inxendereI mean yes war bad. But that’s not entirely the point of the movie. At least not what I gleaned from it. What I took from this is how easily we can be divided, and how similar we could easily be to other countries going through actual civil wars. Thus the short scene of Lee in another country photographing those executions. Basically saying we aren’t so different. Match that with the “what type of American are you?” scene and the point gets delivered. Why it started doesn’t matter, the moral doesn’t matter, all that matters is that it’s happening, much like many other places in the world. The only thing that’s any “different” is the technology. TL:DR, morals aren’t the point of the movie, but rather just the fact it’s happening and needs covering to learn I guess.

[@Llamalamp26]

jessie taking a photo of lee dying was foreshadowed by jessie asking lee if she’d photograph the moment if jessie got shot

[@AdamMM-hq3gv]

Like those soliders in the grass said, "We're trying to kill him, and he's trying to kill us." That sums up the movie.

[@HeathenTrucker]

War

[@samuelwilliams8575]

I found it weird that Joel was really upset when Sammy was killed, but, at the start of the film when Lee told Jessie to wear a helmet and everyone was ok when, helmetless, Lee, was shot.

[@reyesreviews]

That's somethin a lot of people have been talking about, but I think we can just assume he didn't notice because they were so close to the president

[@vickster5001]

I think the point was meant to be that their jobs mean that in the moment the job takes priority. And that was getting to the president. His emotions were turned off in the moment. When Sammy died he had the time in the moment to focus on it.

[@brianng8350]

To be fair, Joel did not mourn Sammy until they were safely in camp. He could be mourning Lee later. At the end of the movie, he had one job to do , which is to make their deaths mean something. This is how each one of them operated in the movie. It is pretty consistent.

[@joelanthonylim6792]

I think it's important to note that he and Lee were there to interview and grill the president, but when Lee was killed, Joel was visibly upset and asked for a quote instead before letting the soldiers kill the president. His mood and motive definitely changed after his friends started dying and eventually his partner was killed

[@Fatblue246]

to be fair Joel didn't process Sammy's death until the work aspect was done and they were at camp, and then he immediately went back to working right after. Very similar situation in the white house, and it is clear by the way he interacted with the president he was reeling with it in that moment as well. No questions, just a quote. He didn't want to interview him anymore, he wanted him dead. A lot of the stuff in this movie was subtle IMO and would require a second watch through.

[@heyheyhey520]

Jesse Clemons delivered a performance of the life time. One of the best scenes I’ve sene this year.

[@noahb3ll958]

I’m glad he lost all that weight, he looked terrible in El Camino, the breaking bad movie

[@adl0815]

Thought so as well! Such a tense and unnerving scene! 👌

[@Seanmcdermotlovesterrorists]

Plemons

[@stalwartzero7001]

Kind of bummed the way he talked about the scene without any due diligence. Jesse spoke on this. He agreed to do the scene uncredited but went and got bought a bunch of vintage glasses to find something for the character. You can watch the interview was on Seth Meyers

[@yawsanandreas2237]

The Hawaiian shirts are bugaloo boys and the armed gunmen on rooftops during the store I’m pretty sure might be a callback to the rooftop Koreans during the LA ‘92 riots

[@al28854]

or they are massive fans of the movie sequel ''Breakin' 2 Electric Boogaloo'' (1984), which was not as good as the first one.

[@777superlightwater]

Boog

[@Poookoook]

@@al28854yes that is the reference. Brilliant work

[@NickyRama92]

People keep commenting that California and Texas would never become allies, but with this movie plot, I see it as my enemy of my enemy is my friend .

[@nickparadies350]

From Texas and California’s perspectives, it’s not a civil war. It’s a war for independence. So to me it makes perfect sense for them to team up. They have the same goal.

[@ShelbieMua]

The scene where Lee was laying in the grass and staring at the flowers with Jesse on the other side said a lot too. Was definitely foreshadowing

[@SheevX66XPalpatine]

I do think there is validity to being vague as to whom started/why it started. It shows the nature of war, that indeed, it would be a crap shoot to run into anyone with an agenda.

[@crystalcausey2681]

I assumed that California and Texas both wanted to secede from the United States as two separate nations and they were only teaming up to fight for the right to do so. Not that they were going to secede together as a united nation. And yes, they give zero context on what the Florida Alliance or the northwest states motivation is.

[@KG-Brozylad]

I could see that except for they’re fighting under one flag, if they had no plans on forming a nation/state/republic together they would might be allied but they would have separate flags.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

I assume California is leading the western forces while Texas is part of the Florida alliance, however the Florida alliance must have bogged down fighting to reclaim the old CSA territory while the western forces made huge advances to DC. That Texas decided to join the western forces aka California to attack DC instead of getting Bogged down.

[@rosdos100]

@@KG-Brozyladlike they’d wear their states flags as patches

[@nickparadies350]

I would assume the Northwest left to be more socialist and the South left to be more evangelical

[@HeathenTrucker]

Exactly!

[@Corvetjoe1]

There has always been pictures of troops posing with corpses in hot zones. Just something some do in the heat of battle. This happened from the real civil war, WII, Korea, Nam and during other select “real-world” contingencies.

[@xenablossom4682]

I think Full Metal Jacket has a scene of soldiers doing it for fun.

[@andydwyer6627]

As Someone in the military, I noticed The soldiers having their hair and nails painted as well as Jesse Plemons character being overweight is a representation of when the armies of middle eastern countries in our timeline start to focus less and less on military standards/regulations and soldiers start to become more individuals, committing crimes in uniform, smoking weed and other atrocities because their superiors lack coordination which leads to their overall downfall.

[@Americanbadashh]

"smoking weed and other atrocities" Are you having a laugh?

[@theonlydiego1]

@@Americanbadashh Using drugs while on a job is not professional.

[@LeseanDeVon]

they literally use adderall in the navy seals and they were smoking straight up weed in Vietnam lol

[@Americanbadashh]

@@theonlydiego1 It's a plant, this ain't the 1960s anymore

[@morganboutwell8231]

😂😂😂😂

[@obtadventures]

I believe the most important piece no one seems to discuss is this is not a movie detailing the end of a civil war, but the beginning of one. This was a coup that was ended by another coup. The civil war begins after, when the opposing factions have to determine who will decide the America that continues.

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

It's more likely they will become independent nations instead of forming a federal government with the other states. If those nations declare war on each other it's not a civil war just a regular one.

[@HeathenTrucker]

Hmm. Good take

[@damionknt]

i saw this movie yesterday . im glad they left things without background because why would the people who lived it for years most likely talk about the hard things and this was about the photo evidence not the written word so pictures are worth more in this context. but all around loved it

[@raymonds8354]

Once California and Texas are separate republics and can do what they want internally with their sovereign selves (blue or red), they could have ties to each other with trade and even a military alliance for mutual benefit (using that two-star flag like a UN or NATO flag for their joint cause). And as the two most powerful ex-states (with big populations, economies, militaries, and worldwide clout), the two juggernauts and their allies would be fearsome… Also, two very different countries sometimes align for a bigger common cause, like America and Russia in World War II…

[@jmichaeldeane9966]

Thank you 100%

[@Jake-dh9qk]

Yep. Cali and Texas being red vs blue is irrelevant when a bigger problem is afoot. In the movie, it's no longer red vs blue. Now it's anti-government vs pro-government. Texas and Cali care more about replacing the corrupt government than fighting over democratic or republican differences.

[@nosuchperson284]

It's also a reminder how much things can change politically in a generation or two. The Democratic party went from being the former party of slave owners and the KKK and Jim Crow to the party of desegregation and civil rights laws in something like 20 to 30 years or so. Sometimes big tipping points that seem unlikely can happen pretty quickly and then changes play out.

[@Drago-en1eo]

You are very much right even one of the character in the movie even says its a race for Berlin highlighting it's more of enemy of my enemy is my friend thing in this case both are racing who will reach DC first it's basically what USA and USSR were racing for in ww2.

[@matthewhallberg8256]

I understand the lack of context can be frustrating, but we're meant to focus on the journalists and what their thoughs and motivations are. And NOT doing a big exposition dump or telling us every detail helps keep the focus where it should be. Very intense film, but a very good film

[@wiiplaya25]

Would’ve helped if the characters had depth

[@jmichaeldeane9966]

What added depth in the characters are viewers looking for? Can’t one infer much about the characters from what we are shown of them?

[@leeporwoll2380]

@@wiiplaya25 Kirsten Dunst had it in spades. Where were you?

[@Fatblue246]

yea the film was definitely about the morality and implications of journalism in war time, the civil war in America was very much just a setting to make the feelings one would feel more visceral for the American market. One could have easily set this movie in the Syrian civil war and it would largely be the same, the American component was just to drive home the surreal nature of the work etc. that is often lost to the American perspective when it takes place somewhere so far away. Was very smart from a film producing stand point tbh

[@jonskywalker2899]

The problem is they marketed this film off of a “Civil War” and what that would look like. You can’t promise your audience a specific story and not deliver.

[@gregoryhirst9493]

28:20 I think the lack of explanation of the background of the war in the US and not showing the reasoning for the killings is because that’s how Hollywood movies typically treat other countries when they make movies about US forces or media in those countries.

[@HeathenTrucker]

No. It's how war really is. No one knows the real details. So this movie doesn't try and explain.

[@jake8230]

Kristen Dunst death was moronic

[@HeathenTrucker]

It actually wasn't

[@jake8230]

@@HeathenTrucker oh it definitely was. Shit movie.

[@rustomkanishka]

You'd think she'd know not to stand around after shoving someone to the ground. But no.

[@benhenderson8952]

Jesse Plemons was chilling 🕶️❤️

[@chination1796]

Evil Matt Damon was chilling 😂

[@pontiacGXPfan]

Channeling Todd Alquist

[@overundersidewaysdown]

What kind of American are you?

[@futurebiblevillain]

We're his glasses red because it stopped him from seeing blood or because he wanted the whole world covered in blood.

[@stalwartzero7001]

@@chination1796more like better then Matt Damon… Jesse Plemons everybody

[@viniciusmaiasilveira616]

Wagner Moura acting is impeccable

[@abelhapedras]

muito orgulho né

[@michaelconrad7301]

He also seems to be aging backwards in his movies. He looks younger than as Pablo Escobar, and younger still than in Elite Squad 1 & 2.

[@lance_wavy]

ill always see him as pablo 😂

[@HeathenTrucker]

Soooo true! He never really has to stray from himself

[@HaloDieHard]

They don't tell you the whole story because a lot of the times journalists don't know the whole story

[@PureEvil1138]

or they purposely leave things out because journalism is dead

[@fusser935]

Wouldn’t journalist be the most informed?

[@jasonmorgan27]

@@fusser935 LMFAO have you been under a rock the last 7 years???? They are propagandist and activist now. You obviously choose the blue pill Neo.

[@gups4963]

But they will happily make on up

[@inventions178]

@@PureEvil1138 Not really but k

[@datalorev]

I think this movie’s point was how we cease to see each other as human beings when at war.

[@lisahardy2070]

that was exactly my thoughts on it as I was riding home in silence. I just started talking to God out loud on my way home. Apologizing to him for what we have become and for what we are about to become even worse. I thought to myself and literally said out loud, “we take ourselves way too seriously. Look what we do to each other.”

[@Peter.Young21]

Why is the directed obligated to alienate half the audience like many Hollywood films. It was refreshing that this movie did not. If you really think about it, the point was that you should be on the side of "Lets not have a civil war". I thought that was excellent. We all should be on the same side watching this movie.

[@JackHGUK]

Trust me 😂 people trying to work out what side they are on when they have seen how awful it all is need to get their heads checked.

[@CypherDivine]

15:25 the boogaloo boys were known to wear Hawaiian shirts

[@yeshayahu8358]

You are correct. That scene takes place in Virginia and that’s where there HQ is at in real life.

[@johnrivers9393]

I don’t know about them all being Boo’gs. They may have former Alphabet Soup Agency operators. Example: Josh Brolins character in Sicario.

[@Bluis5445]

We still wear them

[@yeshayahu8358]

@@Bluis5445 😊😊😊😊😊

[@82stuntman]

Call the ODNI, we got another chief intelligence analyst here folks 😂

[@Paulsaysnothing]

I would argue that “antifa massacre” is also vague. Because everyone keeps interpreting that as Antifa getting massacred, but it’s said so open ended that it could also mean that Antifa was doing the massacring…

[@ShannonR1969]

. . . which is more likely, frankly.

[@randomarcgunner4543]

I choose to believe it was antifa getting massacred since it ties in with the authoritarian things we see referenced, such as how the US government is described as bombing their own people.

[@lucaspapadopoulos3063]

Makes sense considering they had that more socialist factions in the north US in the movie.

[@Paulsaysnothing]

@@lucaspapadopoulos3063 they literally tell you in the movie that the president is a far right dictator on his third term. Do you people not pay attention to the movies you watch?

[@captainzorikh]

​@@ShannonR1969 No, not really.

[@relaxedsack1263]

I dont think Cali and Texas are aligning together to form any sort of union.They are both seceding at the same time and are the only two states who would be able to their local military bases. teaming up against the feds as a marriage of convenience.

[@bigduke6764]

Exactly: the Balkanization of the US.

[@clay-pixels]

Yeah, I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about this. Garland's clearly saying that both states are more independent, hence an unlikely alliance. The loyalist states were simply more passive. It's not implausible.

[@hanumanares2020]

He even has the older, more experienced, journalist compare this to the race for Berlin i which the US and the USSR where both fighting the enemy of their enemy. War makes strange bedfellows

[@ernieb820]

Their are many states with larger and more military than Texas.

[@kbanghart]

Who knows what's possible and what's not possible? A civil war type situation is way too chaotic to fully understand the outcomes at first.

[@brownenerdygurl]

Think about it. Texas and California have a lot in common; large land mass, crucial technologies (oil, tech, agriculture) migrating populations etc. I think this movie is about what war would look like for us, how we would treat each other.

[@stephenwood6663]

Given that the WF even think the Secret Service is militarily relevant, I tend to imagine that it's evolved into some kind of paramilitary force in its own right - a kind of Praetorian Guard, if you will.

[@shulker2469]

A paramilitaire force or not, they are still wearing suits and having only some MP5 with them.

[@quagmoe7879]

@@shulker2469 You’re acting like people wearing suits and wielding MP5s aren’t a threat. Body armor isn’t as useful you think.

[@coolgamer2135]

@@shulker2469 Idk u tho but those dudes are ruthlessfor all we know you could just be taking a sip of coffee and boom your dead.

[@KDEddie]

I liked that the cause of the civil war was not explained. The point is that there is a civil war.

[@tailsonrails]

YES. should be scary enough for Americans, being in a constant state of war, but had only one on their own soil.

[@chuckmoney3799]

That is the biggest complaint I have seen about this film, and I thought it was the best part. Anyone with a brain can then pick any of the events that started the war. It doesn't matter, like was it the president just declining a election for a 3rd term that started it? Or did the war start before that? What is the reasons for a 3rd term? You get to use your mind and decide for yourself

[@juanpecan7089]

those fuckin sunglasses lol.

[@rchot84]

​@chuckmoney3799 It is a horrible movie. It should make you care about something or feel something. It makes you feel nothing. Kirsten Dunce just has a resting b**** face the whole movie then gets scared at the end and gets killed. Then the president gets killed movie over.

[@Rhaenspots]

While I love worldbuilding it was great that there was no background on the “why” just that it is. Also California and Texas are economic powerhouses with immense military resources. It would make sense for them to join up (with nm, az and nv included). They have the resources to make a huge difference militarily and economically. Everyone thinks about culture war BS, but these neoliberal states would be smart to join together.

[@symphorienmi6]

IMO keeping the reason for the start of the vague is great. Having experienced waryself it doesnt matter what or why it started when you're in the middle of it. I felt the point the director was trying to make was that war is hell no matter what the lines are or who is fighting it

[@legolad7477]

The only issue that Texas and California would agree on is that nobody can agree on anything

[@ThePoliticalBulldog]

It really seemed like the western alliance was the governmental forces of the two states rather than the citizenry.

[@johnrivers9393]

Errrrrrbody agrees on money though.

[@jmichaeldeane9966]

Remember when Kevin Durant went to the warriors? Sometimes you just want the other best player on your team

[@Fatblue246]

not really. If both state's goals were to secede from the federal state why wouldn't they cooperate in that goal? They would be going their own separate ways at the end of the fight, all they would need to agree upon is that the federal government has to be gone lol, which clearly they would both agree on if their goals were secession. It would be more weird if they refused to work together on achieving that goal strictly off of ideological differences. Germany and the USSR were ideologically opposed in the 30's yet they both cooperated in their mutual goal of splitting Poland up lol. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is a really simple and old concept in human interaction, don't see why so many people here don't get that. Also Texas and Cali have incredibly linked economies and populations the same way FL and NY do lol, arguably even more so. ideological differences do little to change these socioeconomic and logistic facts.

[@ThePoliticalBulldog]

@@Fatblue246 but that was not the western alliances goal - quite the opposite they seem to be fighting to keep the union together.

[@gideonplays814]

Being from Central, Pennsylvania, when the go Steelers was on the screen, there were a few cheers in the theater, including from myself 😂

[@michaelconrad7301]

You have to look for a second at the overpass with the Steeler's graffiti to see the lynched bodies hanging from it.

[@anthonydemeo1620]

When they swap cars during the drive, it frustrates me so much. No one would do that shit in a warzone

[@areaxisthegurkha]

you get desensitized when you're in a warzone, you either shudder like you're about to die the entire time or you don't give a sh*t anymore. Nothing between those two.

[@german80]

me too, it was almost unbelievable, but then I remembered how stupid young people or even any person can be, and then it wasn't as unrealistic as I first thought.

[@stalwartzero7001]

@@german80young, in the land of the lawless…

[@nicksues1695]

This movie in my opinion was amazing. It exceeded my expectations. Filming it through the eyes of the journalist/press that have to courage to cover wars was a great idea.

[@MrFrogmon]

I'm so glad someone got the media angle in this movie!!!

[@braxtonmyers2744]

I think the Hawaiian shirts allude to the "boogaloo boys"

[@humansvd3269]

They are.

[@rc59191]

I thought that was obvious to everyone lol surprised he didnt catch it.

[@charliemilroy6497]

That was the part that made the least sense to me. Who were they, who were they fighting and why?

[@trollhunter8842]

Jesse is the villain of this movie.

[@aidonger42069]

Everyone with a gun is

[@trollhunter8842]

@@aidonger42069 Everyone with a gun is fighting a war. Jessie is manipulaative, dishonest, cold, and just plain evil.

[@maril1379]

Why? Please explain interested in your opinion.

[@dajo492]

@@trollhunter8842or young. Not professional. Few life experiences. ,, not evil. My view.

[@stalwartzero7001]

War is the villain

[@tsparc2]

Wow - the Andy Ngo take.... guess they should have shown "mostly peaceful footage"

[@johnnyboy3864]

That's what I'm saying

[@skyranger187]

Yeah, his bias was apparent early on in the video so no surprise

[@coolichka42]

"Summer of Love"

[@tychostation2423]

@@coolichka42the summer of love. Over 100 days straight of peaceful destruction

[@lucaspapadopoulos3063]

Ironic while talking about a movie thats theme is around journalism, he openly discredits a journalist that records evidence of violence from a politically charged group 🤦‍♂️

[@mikescialdone]

Journalism is supposed to be unbiased. Opinions are supposed to be editorial pieces.

[@v4valencia1]

tell that to basically any mainstream "Journalist" nowadays

[@mikescialdone]

@@v4valencia1 reporting with opinion, side, slant or spin isn't journalism it's propaganda. Yes people eat it up yes there are networks devoted to it and created for it but it's not news or journalism.

[@PureEvil1138]

There's no such thing as unbiased journalists anymore

[@Anarchist_communist]

Nothing can be unbiased journalism

[@ShannonR1969]

@@Anarchist_communist Not true. We're just used to bias everywhere now.

[@burntrivercomedy9185]

The Hawaiian shirts represent a sect of doomsday preppers known as Bugaloo Boys. They are called that because they are waiting for Civil War 2: Electric Bugaloo. I know this sounds funny and I am posting this from a comedy page profile, but I assure you that is the case.

[@christopherpekel6096]

100% correct.

[@SB-ts2ro]

You are absolutely correct.

[@jasonmorgan27]

and...........

[@tylerkeller8869]

@burntrivercomedy9185: Thanks for clearing that up. Nobody knew about the militia which has had members sentenced for Jan 6th involvement as early as this year.

[@bigduke6764]

Yessir, I thought that immediately when I saw it.

[@Jonathon283]

Bright colors on hands/hair hints at a faction. Can see the paint at college too.

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

Militia group the Boogaloo Boys wears Hawaiian shirts. That's probably who Garland was referencing.

[@wtfbro33]

Big igloo 🤙

[@DougAnderson-tv1jd]

Context of the big picture over view of the movie: - The movie creator just filmed “it” leaving the viewers to ask the questions…. Exactly like the press did in the movie. Not to give every little reason behind every tid-bit in the movie. He set the stage and let’s the audience interpret the back drop.

[@mkdemigodzillawarrior]

Of course...with them leaving it up to us, don't blame us for asking what the heck was going on.

[@supersaiyanbino]

Crazy how much a beard makes someone look like a totally different person

[@LaughingPlanetMusic]

Gas lighter to Gas attendant ???

[@zhaupt]

Not a movie I thought you would cover but I am happy you did.

[@toneriggz]

I liked the movie overall. Not my favorite Garland flick tho.

[@vopogon3248]

Fun fact: the California flags star represents Texas. Not a joke. Look it up. Just two old comrades coming together again, nothing weird there.

[@humansvd3269]

California is only blue because of the cities. You leave LA, San Fran and it becomes Red, real fast.

[@kennyfnpowers707]

Not really, the star represents becoming a state without ever being a territory like Texas. It doesnt represent Texas but has the same meaning behind the Texas lone star.

[@noahsilvey4928]

The part about the fence being added to the power plant is simply the fact the movie was filmed in Georgia and thats very common there

[@Bryaniskey]

The crazy thing about it is that I can actually see this happening in the future

[@Duneuniverse]

I think we all can, I would believe that we can get drafted soon, fighting in the urban of DC IS CRAZY

[@dnajournal4321]

Hopefully.

[@PVAPlayy]

Anything to restore sanity to this country. The left has gone too far.

[@bdon175]

My biggest question is why the POTUS of this movie didn't take refuge in the bunker under the WH? I mean, I have a lot more to pick at but that whole WH scene just lacked logic for me. Movie was decent but not some groundbreaking controversial film it is depicted as.

[@tdrewman]

I think he was trying to escape because he knew the end was near and he got caught before he could escape.

[@AuralesseX]

Maybe the bunker under the White House is just a myth.

[@KG-Brozylad]

I’m guessing the WF had intel on the escape tunnels and either destroyed them or blocked them. They had captured several loyalist generals days earlier and the attack came sooner than expected likely because of the intel from the captured generals.

[@Jake-dh9qk]

I think the bunker is only good if you KNOW there will be a relief army coming to save you. But in the movie those secret service guys are probably the very last of the last defense they have left. If they hide in bunker they'll just slowly die of starvation. They also have secret tunnels to use but I'm assuming some of the WH defectors leaked the info out and those tunnels were also under siege and blocked off.

[@alfredmohammed9197]

Despots are usually huge narcissist. Because, of this they suffer from delusions of grandeur (they don’t believe that they will ever get caught or that they will still win a war that is clearly over.) You can see his narcissism during the drive to D.C where he is still saying that we will win, and that victory is close when clearly it isn’t. Also someone mentioned that the generals surrendered. They probably gave up the locations of the bunkers and other places.

[@joeyclemenza7339]

To me, it’s quite easy to understand Texas and California being in a union. There’s is a union of necessity, not of ideological support. They’ve both more than likely succeeded as two individual sovereign countries, and now fly a confederate like flag of two countries united under one common goal… the complete dissolution of the USA. In short, they're a dual confederate union of states that operate solely as two individual sovereign countries. The stand to prosper under the dying USA, as they're still resource rich, and have access to a large shoreline.

[@charliemilroy6497]

California would only succeed as a separate country if it defaulted on its debt.

[@jps0117]

I think JC Penney is ahead of its time, because they kind of look that way *now*.

[@stalwartzero7001]

A lot of those companies been struggling including Macys. Obviously Sears went first but they all made the mistake of investing in online sales and thinking malls would be enough.

[@thebossthusiast1960]

Andy Ngo did nothing wrong. Actually he's the very kind of journalist the movie is telling us to respect, someone who takes risks (and has sustained debilitating injuries from it). Videos like this are a lot better when people leave their personal biases out of it.

[@bradthebreadstick]

just like journalism which is why ngo shouldn't be one

[@TeddyRumble]

But he's not a Commie, so he should be offed.

[@chination1796]

Hold up why would the president be hiding under the desk instead of an underground bunker? Why didn't he leave the white house period? It just didn't make any sense 😂

[@phoenixhorn-nc7tk]

Hollywood

[@Akunda4]

I was thinking the same dang thing. Just take the pres out of the back door. Or anywhere else literally anywhere else. Or in a bunker like 80 floors deep and just hole up for a few weeks

[@gsfouroone5045]

There are tunnels and bunkers in DC everywhere. The only reason a POTUS would stay in DC during a civil war would be because it was secure. Not hiding under a desk.

[@Snarf_Le_Wombat]

You tell me why Boe Jiden made the fence 13 feet tall around the White House 😮😂😂😂

[@brianng8350]

X2 made sense because Nightcrawler imitated the attack. But if the war is on the front lawn of the White House in a civil war, it is a leap of logic why he is not in a bunker or something. But the director wanted that final capture and execution, which otherwise would not happen. Can’t be perfect.

[@TheSimonHxC]

As an European, my point of view on this movie is that America is scary AF and if a civil war were to break out it would be hell, and I think the movie portrays this uncertainty of who's fighting who and for what reason from the point of view of someone that is not American. At least that's how I see it. It feels like you Americans seem to understand the whole plot of the movie (even though it seems to be very vague) better because it is based on your country. I hope my explanation makes sense. In the end I thought the movie was very good from an artistic point of view and it really made me feel scared. I think it did its job!

[@jameskelley5918]

I totally agree and I’m American. I kept coming back to “this was made by a Brit”. it’s very voyeuristic

[@destruxionshop]

y'know what freaks me out? how northern France is littered with fields still toxic from the war to end wars. I'm less afraid of a civil war than i am of the shellings empires give to one another.

[@dnajournal4321]

Lol, when "civil war" broke out in Europe twice in the 20th century, everything that happened in this movie happened on a massive scale. Did you remember WW1 and WW2?

[@dianatrejo4368]

👏👏👏bravo

[@SantiagoMAXIMOleon]

I can’t wait 😈

[@Kur0y4m4]

Narrator may be looking for a blueprint to civil war but the Director deliberately obscured those details to prevent exactly that. The exact how or why of the war is not central to this story.

[@jamesoglover]

17:21 Alex Garland used the same heart of darkness technique in 28 Days later, when the group stopped to get gas (petrol) and scare the shit out of Dad, but someone had to go inside a diner because they didn't have cheeseburgers. Again, it happened in Ex Machina, when someone used a dropped keycard, and inadvertently found skeletons in the closet.

[@ekkthree]

Ca and tx are allied in the film because the studio wants to sell tickets in more than one half of the country 😂

[@stalwartzero7001]

A lot of people in the thread made sensible reasons as to why they would be allies

[@goodcitizen3027]

I think the comparison of the Jake Gyllenhall character to Jesse is apt. They are both despicable characters.

[@chickrepelant]

the snipers nail polish, and the splattered paint at the college seem pretty intentional. Also, the aloha shirts were a reference to the "boogaloo boys" I kinda liked that they DIDNT explain the WF, or the cause for the civil war as usual, team, great video, and friends: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

[@jessica.L.edwards]

The pastel nails and hair aren’t the first example of that color scheme. It’s also against the wall earlier in the movie at the college. Jessie collapses against it after the action there.

[@ashyabbos]

Yes, thank you - was hoping someone else caught that! The wearing of those colors/usage of them on the wall is very much intentional.

[@KyloRenRadio]

I saw that too - are they in the same faction/militia?

[@michaelconrad7301]

The set dresser for the film confirmed that blue, green, and pink were the identifying colors for the Boogaloo Boys faction you see in the shootout, and on the wall here Jesse is sitting before they take the POWs out, they use it like a tag to mark their territory, for which they're battling with the loyalist military forces. These colors match the Hawaiian shirts they wear as identifiers. The same colors on the hair dye and nail polish of the sniper team they encounter indicate that they are part of the same Boogaloo Boys militia faction that we saw earlier. Understandably, a sniper team wouldn't wear the bright color shirts but would wear the ghillie suit and camo. The Boogaloo Boys are hard to describe but could probably be described as anarcho-libertarians, probably tending to the Right. Since they're fighting the Loyalist Army, this complicates any strict reading that the President and the Loyalist Army are "right-wing Republicans/Trumpists". Garland is being sly, here.

[@garinsparks7041]

You reviewd our film Rebel Ridge and I cant get enough of these reviews! Civil War has been my favorite film of 24 and this was an Exceptional video

[@madman026]

Ron Swanson acomplished his goal of ending government bureaucracy

[@themojoverse]

There's an infinite number of random occurrences that led to the current state of America in this movie. Knowing the particulars doesn't have any bearing on the point of the film so it really doesn't matter.

[@frankyanorga212]

I know Andy NGO’s work which tells me exactly what you are and stand for in your expression of him . This is the last time I commit or see your videos……….

[@Music-Is-Real-Love]

💯.

[@reggaechic09]

Bye Bye 👋🏽

[@NikkoBalbedina]

Joel laughing with the rebels isn’t a weird thing to do for war journalists (or any journalist for that matter). We’ve been told to bring packs of cigarettes and a flask of whiskey even if we don’t smoke or drink just so we can either use them to make a subject feel more comfortable or we could use them as bribe to get out of sticky situations. Journalists don’t also usually talk about the news with each other while they cover it.

[@johnythegreat3791]

Misquoted “the president at the time” actual words. FYI

[@Music-Is-Real-Love]

💯.

[@modarXmodar]

So what is the meaning of the final line? “Tell them not to kill me” “That’ll do!” I was looking for this explanation!!!

[@anonperson3972]

What's wrong with Andy Ngo? The criticism about him seems to really come out of left field

[@destroyerofnuggets3644]

Emphasis on left, in this case. Based on some of the other framing in the video he either reads left-wing sources uncritically or personally sympathizes with violent antifa rioters, which are the bread and butter of Ngo's coverage.

[@anonperson3972]

@@destroyerofnuggets3644 I would think criticism of violent rioting communists would be a reasonable stance 🤣

[@surfingpenguin2279]

You probably should give an example of something Andy Ngo lied about if you're going to label him as such.

[@Music-Is-Real-Love]

Absolutely!.

[@johnathanprince1977]

OMG YESSS!! 100000% agree with what you said at the end about there being NO context to the conflict. This bothered me throughout the entire movie. Would have LOVED to have seen some sort of build up explanation at the beginning. Even the purge franchise was able to give explanation.

[@yodatrombonist121]

I would LOVE a video of you analyzing fictional maps for a solid hour. Ngl I would watch it multiple times probably

[@darklightimages]

The fact that you tried to make parallels between Nazi's and Andy Ngo is telling.

[@epistemologyphilosophy7791]

When sources you have always perceived to be neutral start all saying the same thing how do you still maintain the belief that the US right wing isn’t moving toward fascism?

[@darklightimages]

@@epistemologyphilosophy7791 During the time of Joseph Stalin every news source in Russia said that things like the Holodomor weren't happening. If your frame of thinking boils down to "This group of news sources said so, this must mean its true." There is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. I looked at what happen to Andy Ngo and what he reported and came to my own conclusion. Not the conclusion I was told to come to, by my "Neutral sources".

[@chaseholley3746]

Is he a bleeding heart left side?

[@Jestin612]

​@epistemologyphilosophy7791 that's funny 😂. Whatever you say there, pal.

[@rc59191]

​@@epistemologyphilosophy7791 because the right wing isnt advocating for restricting the US Constitution. I don't like the left or right but its consistently the left wing that cherry picks the Constitution and what amendments they do and don't agree with.

[@nicholasspence3691]

Cali and Texas has the most military bases, reserves, guard, active, and militia, more then any other states

[@Bbbirgani]

But those journalists did like 0 reporting Alex…

[@LacayoDe]

If you people loved this movie you all need to watch Salvador (1986) is a very very similar movie in terms of journalism during a brutal war. But Salvador is about a war that DID happen

[@NUYORICAN-bm8ue]

Don't take Sides!!!.. Just do the Review!!!!

[@LibertyPrime1982]

This

[@messedup5424]

People still peddling the "good people on both sides" crap. Conveniently leaving out the very next thing he said. Cant take anything else he says seriously after hearing that.

[@matthewhowell8429]

Dudes going to cry about Andy Ngo being a propagandists while being a propagandists.

[@CulpeperMortgage]

@@messedup5424 I came here to say this.

[@CulpeperMortgage]

@@matthewhowell8429 I came here to say this too.

[@andrey4714]

10:16 sorry but thats just so out of context

[@edboy-jo1hk]

Thanks for this video. I enjoyed the movie. Though wished they had worked more on the worldbuilding aspect, specially how the war might have started in the first place.

[@boltspeedman35]

i think the fact that we are so frustrated with the lack of context and the need for more lore just proves how immersed it was, for me at least

[@mkdemigodzillawarrior]

It is, but at the same time I can’t enjoy the film with all of those questions in my head because the lack of any clarity or context makes it frustrating to understand the world. I mean, that’s world building 101 after all.

[@Fatblue246]

@@mkdemigodzillawarrior the point is to not have world building though. You are seeing it through the fog of war and the eyes of a journalist in said fog. There isn't supposed to be an explanation because the movie isn't about the conflict it is about morality of war correspondence and the consequences surrounding it etc.

[@boltspeedman35]

@@mkdemigodzillawarrior For me, having all of these unanswered questions made me feel like I was just as confused as some of the citizens would feel having no access to information or communication services, only able to focus on what's right in front of them at any given moment. Maybe try rewatching with this sort of mindset once it hits streaming

[@LineOfThy]

@@boltspeedman35 Here me out, maybe that's the point

[@icrywhenisleep2130]

Hope they make a perspective from a soldier maybe during the start of the Civil War or sometime after the start but before the end of it

[@cortexexpansion1248]

They destroy the Lincoln memorial with a javelin, which I don't think is considered an RPG. Not a big deal it just made me pause for a second. Excellent analysis and excellent film in my opinion.

[@destruxionshop]

Rookie mistake am'i'right my boys?!

[@outlawjones2512]

Disrespect Andy Ngo but he is an actual journalist that gets in the action

[@choatican]

Andy ngo must have pissed in this guys Cheerios....Jesus.

[@kindenigma4119]

Considering Andy is a mockery of journalism and integrity....

[@moicus29]

​@@kindenigma4119Bc dem journo's 2015-2020 were so objective?

[@colbyrhea6069]

​@@moicus29exactly

[@bradthebreadstick]

@@moicus29 nice whataboutism, means nothing

[@brooks.anderson6742]

I'm going to see Civil War this afternoon in India. I'm glad I watched your video before seeing the film. I'm surprised you could say so much about Civil War without mentioning Oliver Stone's movie Salvador, which was also about journalists on a road trip in a different civil war. I'm pretty sure the helicopter in Vietnam was on top of a CIA base, not the US Embassy.

[@jimgeorge6922]

As a veteran, I too needed some exposition on why there's a secession. Because my oath would require me to defend the Constitution. This movie makes it feel like I should oppose everybody.

[@annalau2596]

I think this is kind of the point. Everyone is losing in a civil war.

[@Lupinotuum66]

What does an oath to defend the constitution have to do with secession. In my opinion, a state or states, would only secede as a last resort to keeping their rights intact ( first civil war ).

[@DeepfriedBaby]

I'm amazed how much the reviewer didn't get the intentional unbiased storyline point. He wanted his soap box and we had to gulp it up because he added it into the review.

[@HeathenTrucker]

Did you not watch the video? Or only 20 seconds?

[@kriscasdorph7583]

Real journalists in real wars operate in the real heat in the real moment. Loved the film.