"Civil War": Depicting an America at war with itself

"Civil War," the latest film by writer-director Alex Garland ("Ex Machina"), imagines an America divided, in which rebel forces from breakaway states try to depose an autocratic president. Turner Classic Movies host Ben Mankiewicz talks with Garland about the hot-button film, told through the eyes of journalists covering a domestic war. Stars Kirsten Dunst, Nick Offerman, Wagner Moura and Cailee Spaeny also discuss what the movie says about a polarized America today, and whether the collapse of democracy could happen here.
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[@ciprianogonzalez7254]

“A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.” ~W. Durant

[@danielbrown3461]

Yes America will fall...But some people will be more upset when we don't have anymore Major League Baseball, NBA, and especially N.F.L.

[@marcshields3677]

Idealogical subversion. Straight out of the communist playbook. Democrats and many republicans are on board with this. There’s a global conspiracy to reign in a one world government. And it’s on the precipice of happening. Stay vigilant people.

[@marcshields3677]

Idealogical subversion. Straight out of the communist playbook. Democrats and many republicans are on board with this. There’s a global conspiracy to reign in a one world government. And it’s on the precipice of happening. Stay vigilant people.

[@marcshields3677]

Idealogical subversion. Straight out of the communist playbook. Democrats and many republicans are on board with this. There’s a global conspiracy to reign in a one world government. And it’s on the precipice of happening. Stay vigilant people.

[@marcshields3677]

Idealogical subversion. Straight out of the communist playbook. Democrats and many republicans are on board with this. There’s a global conspiracy to reign in a one world government. And it’s on the precipice of happening. Stay vigilant people.

[@arkwill14]

I don't hate journalists. I just wish we still had some...and not these mouthpieces-for-politicians that call themselves "journalists".

[@Wendie-ev4qg]

We in the USA need journalist--the ones who report the news honestly and show both sides of the issues we face. Not Fox, who was so bad at spreading disinformation, and presenting the slanted views of Hannity and Carlson and Ingraham Fox had to pay $787.5 million.

[@Dave05J]

​@@Wendie-ev4qg not CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc.... those are SO politically biased OMGG

[@user-hn9iw6dj6p]

@@Wendie-ev4qglmao and cnn is honest? Your special aren’t you?

[@M_k-zi3tn]

@@Wendie-ev4qg Don't know why you singled out FOX when the likes of CNN are equally as terrible.

[@nathanfisher3813]

So you don't hate journalists you just hate people who are journalists... Got it, that's some solid trump university logic!

[@kaptainkurt7261]

Our division and demise is by design. This didn’t happen by accident. Can anyone else see that ?

[@mtrich8113]

You can blame the political elite for what it's going on around us. Sorry I got to say MAGA Republicans but they're the ones who've been beating the drums of Civil War since 2016. Everyday I hear from them "praise the Lord and pass the ammunition".

[@KS-45]

100% it’s the garbage kids are being taught. All biased these days to the political affiliation of the instructor. I grew up in a time where we were taught critical thinking and reason. Taught to understand the actual facts and draw my own conclusion and opinion. Today that no longer exists, you can’t obtain actual facts anymore without major bias. they are force fed what to think and how to feel. It’s that simple.

[@alexp3752]

The word and worry is spreading daily and it is amazing. Mere store clerks have related their genuine concerns in passing. Prepare, yes, and pray more! Ultimately that is our best resource.

[@Zoddddd]

Nope, it's just orange man bad.

[@ronjacobsen3264]

Only those with a brain.

[@docswatchbox8321]

Society needs journalists...WHO ARE NOT SERVING A POLITICAL AGENDA. Those are the kinds of journalists we NEED. Also, California and Texas teaming up on anything, is laughable.

[@porter9494]

That's the point. The movie is not taking sides. It's fiction.

[@bockermay]

Both states actually seceded and formed their own nation in the movie. It isn't really unbelievable if Washington attacked both, and they decided it'd be better to team up to survive.

[@jimcypher]

Our enemies want this to happen. Don't let them divide our house against itself.

[@yvonneplant9434]

MAGAs want this to happen. Trump is egging them on.

[@fkutube933]

Yeah the government.

[@johnkeith2450]

And we keep letting them in

[@kennychad2821]

This movie looks ridiculous. California, Texas, and Florida form a coalition to overthrow and or secede from the US. Sure.... I'm sure our real enemies love this picture and hope it comes true!

[@rr7firefly]

Our enemies have an ally in one of the presidential candidates in 2024. You know which one that is.

[@Beth-zg6gb]

The erosion of and apathy towards our democratic process has been occurring at a slow and steady pace over my 67 year lifetime. I visited the Soviet Union in the early 70’s. I was on both sides of the Berlin Wall then. In my arrogance and naïveté, upon returning to the US, I breathed a sigh of relief thinking it could never happen here… I was wrong, I’ve been so wrong. Please, good citizens, take the time to really dig deep and inform yourselves of facts and truth. Listen to and consider what others are feeling. Step back. Think critically. Then step up and get involved. It isn’t too late…yet. 🇺🇸

[@fkutube933]

WE live under a Republic government. Youre ridiculously ignorant.

[@tonyguzzo8419]

@@fkutube933comments like that only serve to divide us even more. Agreed it’s a constitutional republic.

[@henryc1000]

@@fkutube933: and herein lies the problem… people like @fkutube933.

[@scourge6563]

​​@@fkutube933: We elect our representatives in government. That makes the US form of government a DEMOCRATIC republic. It is YOU who is ridiculously ignorant.

[@Dixie.1818]

Feelings.....bingo

[@markeasley6149]

If you are a middle class american and have not prepared for a system collapse scenario, you are already behind.

[@emotionalideas]

Saw it yesterday. Rattled me to my core. Everyone walked out of the theatre like zombies.

[@phelimoneill8000]

Was here in fl when a 3-4 hurricane was going to hit…….went to Home Depot and people were acting like animals…….people WILL turn on each other,very quickly….seen it .

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

Right, and I've also seen far more examples of people helping one another after major disasters. When FEMA was nowhere to be seen in Puerto Rico, communities had to help one another. No "civil war" that time. This kind of misanthropic thinking gets us nowhere-- bad faith.

[@laVIEchef]

@@SuperRobertoClemente… absolutely 🙏🤞touché!

[@UpsonPrattJr.]

It doesn't take much. I think we all got a good taste of it during the pandemic that almost wiped out humanity. Or at least all the toilet paper.

[@joycebrackbill-henderly8311]

It's hideous isn't it? I think God is close to intervening just as the Bible says! 😊 FAITH. HOPE! ❤️

[@AK-ic1yj]

I’ve lived through numerous disasters and every time there was always more people helping each other than turning on each other. Don’t try to push ignorance on others.

[@bensmith5413]

The inability of politicians to sit down and actually administrate and compromise. And the inability of the public to elect educated honest politicians and hold them to account via election is condemning this nation.

[@bowieupland6112]

And your inability to understand, that democracy has failed.

[@bensmith5413]

@bowieupland6112 I make an apolitical statement. Assigning no blame to 1 particular party but you decide that somehow I therefore am not intelligent because it disagrees with some belief you hold. You are literally the problem. Why not ask questions and try to understand? But instead insult.

[@bowieupland6112]

@@bensmith5413 There is no time for niceties anymore, it's too late for that. Pick a side. Light has nothing in common with Darkness.

[@nunyuhbusiness9016]

​@@bowieupland6112 that kind of rhetoric is precisely the problem. It is literally THE problem.

[@jackshaftoe1715]

@@bowieupland6112 Pick a side while you hide under the bed ? My brother is a fat coward with a big mouth.

[@rolaflixproductions3935]

Funny how it’s coming out on April 12. The same day the actual civil war started😅

[@jutsu1]

Saw this movie, it was total garbage.

[@benjaminrush4443]

Reminds me of the song - The Revolution will not be Televised - Gil Scott Heron - 1974.

[@williewilson2250]

​@@jutsu1glad you wasted your money on it instead of enjoying it with that attitude

[@magoo6475]

"you will have nothing and be happy"- know who your enemy really is.

[@robertwilliams5352]

Bingo.

[@grizz6150]

We know who the real enemy is ' and it's not each other.

[@robertwilliams5352]

@@grizz6150 I see one side trying to jail the other.

[@grizz6150]

​​@@robertwilliams5352That is what they want you to think . To create and further the division of hate between the people forcing them to choose a side .

[@robertwilliams5352]

@@grizz6150 I see it happening in real time.

[@TylerAmolsch]

"Those Who Do Not Learn From History Are Doomed To Repeat It" - George Santayana

[@julybliss4440]

I would say we still haven't yet learned from he first civil war or the two world wars, or the many other conflicts and smaller wars. Mainly because learning from war is probably not going to involve only investing in war. Once we value our population for life and not just power through military sizes, then things my have outlook, but as of now we are still tasting the pee we urinated in the winds of 100 years ago.

[@Jay-jb2vr]

Uncle Sam does that regularly

[@labombarde1]

WHAT HAPPENED TO LORD HAW HAW????

[@tinapriest857]

We didn't have crazy leftists alfabet people and we have more racism now.

[@jeffmeredith9094]

Amen

[@YorktownUSA]

In reality, a civil war wouldn't be between states, but between streets. Your enemies would be all around you, next door even.

[@sly2792004]

Yeah the military post civil war was mixed up. The only reason civil war was possible was military units were all from area they were stationed. Units were formed in states from states population. With exception of guard units I don’t see any current military bases being loyal to state they’re located in. They made up of people from all the states.

[@majesty10xu15]

That's not a civil war. That's just plain anarchy.

[@STho205]

Ideological wars would be the resource rich rural areas vs the population concentrated megacities. In states where the megacities rule the state, then those states will side with urban. Other states with only smaller cities or dispersed cities will be on the other side. Some states will be torn from the inside.

[@Angryturts]

​@@majesty10xu15 that's an insurgency. It's an insurgency now. Look at Afghanistan, the enemy could he next door. Urban war fare. You don't know what side someone is on until the fighting starts.

[@calebh7902]

Underated clmment. Thats facts, there will be so many different factions, it will just get to the point your family and you need to hunker down and survive.

[@fleshvehicle9140]

war is hell and alot of you have no clue how to even imagine that.

[@chipsandguac2]

Let's be blunt about it. Both sides, the left and the right, see this and start blaming the other side. As long as we point the finger to the other side, nothing will be fixed. What we need to start doing is looking within ourselves and ask ourself, "Am I doing or saying something, and what are the people I surround myself with, doing and saying, that is causing more divisiveness rather than unity?"

[@parrotcracker6629]

I'm sick of this kind of answer where you don't choose a side and want to seem neutral. Frankly speaking, sometimes things are just so obvious that it's just black and white. There's a side that wants to negotiate and another that doesn't want to just to save face with a former despot president. AND WE ALL KNOW WHICH SIDE IS TRYING TO SAVE FACE.

[@chipsandguac2]

this proved my point.... It's not your side, it's the other sides fault.... And they probably think the same about your side.

[@Riflenegro]

I paid for a good movie not a lesson.

[@85jongo]

@@parrotcracker6629 You are right. This isn't a both sides thing. One side honors the peaceful transition of power, voting rights, and one doesn't. I'm sure Joe Biden didn't enjoy certifying Donald Trump's victory in 2017 when he was the outgoing Vice President but he did it. The same can't be said for Donald Trump who almost got his own Vice President killed trying to overturn the 2020 election. Both sides are not the same.

[@joshuaguste6883]

History repeats indeed. "To have fallen so far and learned nothing, that is your failing."- Kreia

[@nolanhasty557]

Wow , didnt expect to find a quote from KOTOR 2 here . Powerful words , we really have failed .

[@Robert_Douglass]

History doesn't repeat, though it often rhymes. -- Samuel Clemens AKA Mark Twain.

[@Robert_Douglass]

@@stonegasman3866 A prominent figure in 19th Century American literature.

[@breadfan9]

That;s not the problem. It;s societie;s layout. People dont want to work as much. 40 hours a week is good for some.but not all. We need to invent things that make our lives easier. How about medicine. Make healthcare easier by making things that MAKE it easier. People will fight when they are unhappy. Fix that and you fix the majority of problems.

[@Jay-jb2vr]

Disney, Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy enter the chat

[@jadw33]

This movie Civil War coming out at this time is unsettling to say the least because back in the 80's, 90's, and the first ten years of the 21st Century I could never have imagined that a second U.S. Civil War could occur in our lifetimes. I pray that it doesn't and that we can somehow overcome our own shortcomings.

[@wet-read]

The issue is that the so-called freedom loving, small government folks want to tell people who do certain things they cannot do them. Some stranger, be it a random citizen or elected official, should not have any say in someone else's intensely personal and private matters. Period!

[@CharlieTooHuman]

The movie is meant to be depicted as a warning sign, a “be careful what you wish for” message for those who are all gung-ho for war in this country.

[@glennhibben7757]

​@@wet-readYet you have no problem telling us how to live

[@georgekarras4319]

Small govt doesn't get involved in people's lives it's the big govt we have now, sit down stand up don't do that you can't say that your using the wrong pronoun, it's called the democratic communist party.​@@wet-read

[@miken7629]

This is a political stunt just like the play that came out during Trump's inauguration performing the play Julius Caesar except Caesar was dressed hair/makeup to look like Trump then stabbed in his suit, same basic propaganda from Holly-weird Elites

[@coppershark1973]

This film needed to be made. As an outside observer of America and an infrequent visitor it is obvious that America is fractured and wild. You need to take heed.

[@partymaster5]

It was boring and very dumb.

[@Eddie-vy2zm]

Thats just what the news and social media portray. Ive never witnessed an argument or anything in real life. When a car stalls i see people pulling over, i see people being polite most of the time. Dont listen to social media and the news, they’re disconnected from the people. If I didn’t have a smart phone id have no clue there was any division

[@davesackenheim2937]

Very very dumb.... and unrealistic

[@Dave05J]

​@@partymaster5 ok bot.

[@Dave05J]

​@@erdelegy you can't ignore dumb people doing dumb things. They have alot of reach.

[@adriannarobeson4758]

To start off the MSM needs to start being fair and balanced and not liars and Instigators leaning towards a certain political party, and I'm sure we can all figure that one out , we need to clean up the corruption and criminals in both parties not just one both who abuses their power for control and only to profit for themselves, if you don't want something like this to ever happen.

[@dtfaaron]

social media has divided us.

[@idiotsafari]

We have divided ourselves.

[@dontdrinkbleach1024]

False Beliefs has divided us.

[@ssherman]

And who controls social media and the fake news?

[@jarenfromvenus]

I think that happened centuries ago. You know, the whole slavery thing?

[@ShawnLH88]

nah just republicans

[@legoslicerfilms1028]

Remember, the students are not failing the education system. The education system is failing them. When the masses are uneducated, they are easier to control. History has shown that educated people have more interest and intelligence when it comes to political choices.

[@CodecFace]

I think you nailed it, though education can be quite the double-edged sword. I'm reminded that psychology experts exist who use their education for the likes of behavioral marketing, of deep manipulation. Also, that think tanks exist to exploit our narrative natures 🤣 Somehow I don't think the intellectual architects of the modern conservative movement seriously believed that the layman had the intellectual discipline to handle their intellectually heavy endeavor/persuasion/philosophy. Decades later we're left with a nearly depleted subset of self-identified "true conservatives", and the predictable remainder who can't tell the difference between 'tempering passions' and outright obstruction to society's development, and they think they are America's essence, definition, torch and future. On the flip we have well-educated hypercapitalists using their intellects for business as usual. The erosion of the middle class was predicted almost a century ago. Comfortably, we let it happen. My theory, in short- the MCM held the door wide open for the neoliberal order by blockading its protesters, and of course via religion, religious patriotism and monopoly on values so that being a psychopath feels like wisdom.

[@user-ub6du1bz2h]

If The students don’t want to study and doesn’t value education, how is the education failing the students. What proven data you have to claim education failing students?

[@KS-45]

100% agree. And the Covid PLANdemic closing schools sealed the deal!

[@KS-45]

@@user-ub6du1bz2hit’s the garbage they are being taught. All biased these days to the political affiliation of the instructor. I grew up in a time where we were taught critical thinking and reason. Taught to understand the actual facts and draw my own conclusion and opinion. Today that no longer exists, they are force fed what to think and how to feel. It’s that simple.

[@Kimmy_95]

​@@KS-45well said.

[@richardphillips8316]

Trust me if there was a civil war. It will be nothing like your movie. 😂😂😂👍

[@BennyDIVER]

You really think you said something intelligent huh? Look at the big picture

[@aquariumdude7829]

"There's a sucker born a minute!" - P.T. Barnum 😂

[@Thunderchild-gz4gc]

He never said; that his rival did. Do research parrot.

[@aquariumdude7829]

@@Thunderchild-gz4gc Actually, he did. Depends who you believe. 😊

[@markbeames7852]

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov, interview November 1982

[@tq2769]

very good

[@Ron-rs2zl]

Oh that Issac,his wisdom just goes on and on.

[@moviewryter1985]

You could say that about every nation. Try communist ones first where the deepest of suppression is their way of life.

[@payleryder45]

You can draw forth a quote from an earlier age but in the 2024 United States those most responsible for the loss of esteem of intellectuals are the dime store version of "intellectuals" who dominate the academy and public discourse. If they're genuine intellectuals, intellectuals should have no part in the governance of the United States.

[@johnrex7108]

Must feel good to believe that everyone who disagrees with you is just ignorant.

[@blackout07blue]

We don’t hate journalists. Both sides’ hate propagandists which exists on both sides, including during primaries.

[@monopalle5768]

Journalists are trained liars, they do it with CLEAR intent, just like they did for hitler, for stalin, saddam, or that dude in north korea... Don't let them fool you, they KNOW what they are doing, and they are making BANK.

[@charliecrowley1070]

The truth and objectivity have left journalism.

[@kweukuafirim]

That my friend is called a false equivalency

[@migooknamja]

2:49 production assistant wearing a mask. That says it all. This film will be "woke"

[@davidbaker1918]

@@migooknamja so a citizen with perhaps valid or invalid fears does nothing against you. We on the Left keep asking the Right..."Define Woke"...always getting the same answer "We're not going to define it so you can pick it apart"

[@steveboucher845]

Interesting, much of the polarization that takes place in our society is because of the absence of professional journalism. These days journalists just pick a side they want to help.

[@acslater017]

I wouldn’t say they “just pick a side”; there are fundamental incentive structures in place and consumers have a role to play as well when we refuse to pay for journalism. That makes journalism less independent, more reliant on and beholden to advertisement, and more likely to cater to market niches (e.g. political echo chambers). Their very paychecks depend on getting engagement - outrage, confirmation bias, division - rather than telling us what we need to hear. The number of paid newspapers has tanked by about -2/3 since the 1980s.

[@joshua511]

@@acslater017 Nah, you can just say they "pick a side". NPR recently came out and admitted they don't hire Republicans. The choice of words and lack of differing perspectives in newspapers is the reason people stopped reading them, and thus the reason for so many papers going out of business. Why would you continue reading articles from people who almost exclusively write things favorable of 1 party and disfavorable of another party? Echo chambers serve no purpose. Then you factor in today's drivel and the articles are not even worded correctly. At least the liberals in the '80s and '90s could write.

[@breal7277]

A Civi Divorce is preferable, thank you very much. You go your way, I'll go my way.

[@chrismorgan9153]

Y'all can't afford a divorce. I would have to sell my house to move in with mom, but most people on dad's side can't afford their rent, much less my house.

[@IanCthrwd]

Either side will lose. The poor die and the rich will sit back and enjoy the show.

[@Vernbubba]

The rich will not be immune

[@gabbysch2625]

​@@Vernbubba ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@user-gi6gi8rx2f]

What do you mean bro French revolution the rich died first.

[@topnews1007]

The rich will definitely become food for the poor 😜😜😜 and some of the poor will convert to cannibalism because the rich 🤑 can run but they can't hide forever 😉😉

[@topnews1007]

​@@Vernbubbathe rich will become food for the gods

[@davidtownsend5436]

It doesn't take much for people to turn into animals.

[@clarkgriswold4096]

Yeah, remember when the welfare cards didn’t work a few years back down south. Chaos

[@Avoidiac]

People are actually animals.

[@512cbratch]

I can’t say what I want to say on KZbin… but this calls for action.

[@darkrider2452]

Ya we hate journalists… lol I wish they would just tell the news like it is instead of putting their own opinions on top of it.

[@marymurphy246]

Like the good ole days

[@niavellir7408]

@@marymurphy246they always have put their opinions on it

[@jaysonkristopher]

"America drinks the finest of beverages" no truer words have ever been said..

[@Avoidiac]

Well, he specifically said "cola beverages" and Mexican Coke is famously better than ours.

[@coppershark1973]

You misheard. He said ‘cola beverages’. Which is true and funny and oh so American.

[@Jay-jb2vr]

And so silly

[@PrestigeLearning]

It proves Nick Offerman is just as wry and sardonic as the characters he plays

[@Thunderchild-gz4gc]

​@@Avoidiacnot interested in stomach problems

[@munajama5436]

I don't think I will be able to get myself to watch this movie when it is out since I know how scary civil wars can be first hand from a personal experience!!! I hope the events in this movie never ever materialize into reality and I will leave it at that!!!

[@johndanson4427]

Which one did you live through Munajam? Just curious. Thanks, John.

[@munajama5436]

@@johndanson4427 1991 in Somalia

[@nunyuhbusiness9016]

​@@munajama5436 that'd be a rough one to live through, to say the least.

[@ZemplinTemplar]

I concur, sir.

[@payleryder45]

@@munajama5436 And now the daughter of a prominent combatant serves in the U.S. Congress! How heartwarming that must be.

[@ernestinejohnson6379]

War is Hell, and I know My Dad was a combat soldier, & several of my uncles served 2 times over for America..

[@arthurwatt5162]

Love and compassion. We have evil trying to divide. Spread outright lies and deception. Hate, violence. Many are falling for it. If were not careful we may lose our freedoms.

[@InfinityDaniel01]

“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes.” - Mark Twain “I think the human race needs to think about killing. How much evil must we do to do good?” - Robert McNamara “Every tyrant who has lived has believed in freedom - for himself.” - Elbert Hubbard “Anyone, who truly wants to go to war, has truly never been there before!” - Larry Reeves “It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.” - General Douglas MacArthur

[@urmailman]

Its like poetry in that it rhymes

[@insultinsultan705]

The gall of McNamara to say that, spit

[@krwd]

the last quote by MacArthur was him identifying Robert McNamara in the quote above it which should be a lesson, never let a ford motor executive run a war

[@CoinOpTV]

Hey, we also had the movie ‘Contagion’ - didn’t help prevent anything!

[@JoeO.]

Don’t forget Idiocracy…

[@ascii7085]

@@JoeO. "but Brawndo's got what plants crave, it's got electrolytes!"

[@johnnymidnight2982]

You're not wrong.

[@jonathansakura]

You talking about the planned demic 😅

[@UpsonPrattJr.]

@@jonathansakura It definitely happened at an interesting time, didn't it.

[@jeffmeredith9094]

Lesson learned in blood are soon not forgotten.

[@helendenham_]

Kirsten's performance was incredibly moving. This film was amazing.. haven't seen anything like it in a long time, if ever

[@europeanunion6731]

Idiocracy (2006) turned out to be a documentary, let's hope it doesn't happen to this movie.

[@Under_Sky_Third_Gaia]

For reals

[@osirismoon]

Kamacho 2024 😂

[@geraltplisken1316]

@@osirismoonwhen Dwayne Johnson runs for president and wins (maybe in 4 years)

[@FullyOnVolks]

We’re already in idiocracy’s sequel

[@robertwilliams5352]

@geraltplisken1316 I rather see Michael.Jordan run and win. No offense.

[@Clark42EoC]

Ron freaking Swanson!

[@niavellir7408]

Of course he’s involved in government lol

[@Clark42EoC]

@@niavellir7408 How'd he put it. "He's rotting the beast from the inside." Well the country is broken into factions. Good job Ron.

[@twelch12]

If a state wants to voluntarily leave the union the "democratic" thing to do would be to let them leave.

[@udayviruppal3730]

*"Soviet" Thing

[@jerrypickles-qr9yv]

We had one civil war. The Roman Empire had thirty civil wars. We're a young country so its very possible that it can happen again.

[@patrickbelvin7625]

Call this sobering or call it a call to save humanity. I think we are so broken in this country that people may watch this movie and then go out and unleash the violence the movie projects. I know that sounds fatalistic...and I have not given in or given up. But I am concerned. I have looked into the faces of people who want to tear down the democratic institutions that are crumbling before us, and those faces look at me with pure hate.

[@PuppetMasteronVHS]

I know what you’re talking about, I seen those looks of demonic hatred at democrats rallies too.

[@ZemplinTemplar]

The entire point of the film is not to glorify violence and division, but point to its dangers and consequences.

[@patrickbelvin7625]

@@ZemplinTemplar True

[@j.b.macadam6516]

Yes, I too, have confronted the hatred, fear and delusion of those who wish to see and commit violence against their fellow American. It is indeed disconcerting. Our enemies however, are rejoicing and awaiting our self-inflicted demise. They will then unleash their own hatred upon a crippled America, and the World!

[@patrickbelvin7625]

@j.b.macadam6516 I hope what we are experiencing is just a nightmare that, come November, we wake up from intact. We still have a chance to save ourselves.

[@bobbleheadbob]

The way the media talks about this stuff while simultaneously gas lighting people about race and privilege, it’s hard to not think they secretly want it to happen. Even if for the stupid nefarious reason of fearmongering for profit.

[@krwd]

as long as they are on the front line and the first to go

[@dh4818]

The only thing the movie got wrong was to depict journalists as unbiased observers as opposed to ideologically captured.

[@briancarroll3232]

Spot on. I don’t believe we are nearly as divided as we are told having traveled around the country quite a bit.

[@fuffthebucks7266]

the amount of disinformation in the comment section is disturbing. You reflect that. I doubt you are even a real person

[@arbyjack2552]

The media is the enemy

[@aldrinspeck2724]

all empires begin violently and end violently....

[@thomassenbart]

Except the USA is not an empire and it is foolish to correspond power with empire...not the same at all.

[@aldrinspeck2724]

Unitedstatians are always in denial. Romans in the first and second centuries AD also thought they were still a Republic, when their regime was actually a Military Dictatorship ( Emperors relied on the army's loyalty to their persons, rather than to institutions).

[@aldrinspeck2724]

The USA is not a military dictatorship....not yet. But Presidents are hostages to the "Deep State"/Military-Industrial Complex.

[@jutsu1]

It's just a movie, a partisan movie by the way.

[@Ahtaht227]

@@jutsu1how is it partisan?

[@King_leo]

History repeats itself eventually

[@urmailman]

It can be prevented if people learn from the past. Every single person in the US has the tools at their fingertips to learn why we cant go down that road again.l, but we'd rather pay attention to videos of people living better lives than our own.

[@1848432]

Not this time ;)

[@ronbrown6272]

Just saw this movie this weekend. I have to say I left the theatre pretty wound up with no words. At the end of the day, we Americans have to do a serious gut check and ask ourselves, do we really want something like that to happen in our country? I for one say NO! That said, the film is very well done. Ranks up there with, "Welcome to Sarajevo".

[@macmiller1678]

Most countries that have civil war have more than one civil war.

[@b-dub6865]

If we have another civil war, the US is no longer the greatest nation in the world with the strongest economy or the leader of the free world. We become the weak & powerless & the “breaking news” for every other country in the world. This is what many want & it’s been happening for some time. We are the leader of the free world because of our united belief that we are ALL equal & have unalienable rights of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness. This is why most countries look up to or depend on the US. The countries that don’t are the most divided & run by dictators who have few if any, allies or power. Is that what you want?

[@YetiTurmoil]

All countries ever have had many civil wars.

[@b-dub6865]

Do you want to see another civil war? Many nations facing repeated civil conflicts admire the US for our strong unity in democracy. The ones that don’t are typically run by dictators. As the leader of the free world & the greatest country in the world, if we were to plunge into another civil war, we would lose all that. Instead, we would be viewed as weak & powerless, making headlines worldwide for all the wrong reasons.

[@macmiller1678]

⁠@@YetiTurmoilhow many civil wars has Canada had? Also the US has had many civil wars?

[@janicenunn8525]

@@macmiller1678 Canada is also on the verge of one. Seen the petition to remove True dough yet?

[@johnrex7108]

"Everybody hates journalists... and I thought that was a really interesting thing to say. That's sorta like saying everybody hates doctors." This dude is really of out-of-touch. He also forgot that a lot people hate smug Hollywood directors, too.

[@payleryder45]

People would start hating doctors if doctors started giving people cancer - that's about where the analogy to journalists lays right now.

[@krwd]

oh man that is so true

[@Dummogummo]

When he screamed after getting to destination in the movie. GUT WRENCHING AND AMAZING 👏👏 It made me want to scream too 😢

[@vanimaladventures]

it was a great film. the sound engineers went absolutely over the top for the IMAX version. bravo.

[@archipelago93]

I think it was a good decision to keep certain things vague, such as how the war started and each side’s political beliefs. Because 1) It avoids anyone saying it’s politically bias, and 2) It keeps the focus on the real story-the tragedy and wanton destruction & violence that would happen if our country descended into chaos and total war.

[@bobbleheadbob]

It also helps illustrate that there is no “correct side” when it comes to our political beliefs. inevitably it’s the fanatical and polarization itself that’s the issue.

[@jimmylivingston6338]

The fact that the states of Texas AND California are on the same side speaks volumes.

[@josephcioppa1943]

the fact the director has said we need journalist, when 94% of them repeat the same words, means they are not journalists. He has told us what side he is on already

[@bobbleheadbob]

@@josephcioppa1943 this is a good point, especially considering much of the polarization today that this movie tries to warn us about is being done by the same journalist…

[@anthonylewis7168]

Americans : Havent we fought enough already ?😩 Hollywood : Hold my beer

[@zenquantum1246]

it’s not about glorifying fighting. It’s about showing how terrible a fight like this would be in the hopes of motivating people to steer away from a fight by talking to each other

[@McLarenMercedes]

@@zenquantum1246 Talk is cheap. Talk only works if people are reasonable and *listen* . If they're bereft of reason and block out everything they don't like don't expect even the most rational, well-researched and respectful talk to make them change their minds.

[@zenquantum1246]

@@McLarenMercedes true, and I agree that most of the people who would benefit from this movie’s message will probably either not go see it or see it and miss it, but the effort is worth it if even a small percentage of minds get opened

[@degenelatepeppeloni9854]

Texas and california joining forces is the most unbelievable part of the movie

[@masonmax1000]

it is far easier to imagine a world that has fallen then a world which is prosperous.

[@leonhank4448]

As much as I have found fictional box office movies exciting. I think this one is a bit disturbing 😳

[@tonyguzzo8419]

Same thing with the PuRGE movies! Predictive programming planting the seed of destruction in the soft minds of the sheeple !

[@michaelmonthey5974]

It’s meant to be disturbing.

[@fragout9575]

Red Dawn (80s version & 2010s reboot) were steeped in possibilities.... The point of those examples had us RALLYING together against a common invading country.... THIS, this is what preppers are HONESTLY HOPING FOR!! What's sad is, it's not over "a way of life" or "Southern State's Rights".... it's over a single president. And for some, racial or both. That's what makes this film different.... You wanna see what people HONESTLY think? Go find the trailers on KZbin and read the comments.... It'll shock you, because for them, it's a documentary or even a training film for further preparation....and it swirls around their current hero and their hatred for our current president.

[@al28854]

the scary part for me is the realization that as fictional this story is, it's about the present day

[@adelaferreira4575]

It is more disturbing the fact that this is being planned by the right wing already ,just listen to what the orange menace says :There will be bloodshed if I loose this election ! And we should take him seriously ,that’s why the movie is so important,people say ,yes it would be good to have a dictator ,they have no idea what’s coming their way !

[@bartdepalma3820]

Civil wars do not happen between peoples share common ground, but just aren’t communicating or compromising. They occur because people have fundamentally incompatible views of how they should live together. This film is timely as hell. We have been in a cold civil war for a generation and it is rapidly warming.

[@Gman671]

That in lies the question I always pose and get poor responses. I truly am asking, but using your words what exactly are the fundamentally incompatible views of how we should live together that we face? Abortion? Gay Marriage? Taxes? What is such a fundamental view today that will drive us to attacking our neighbors, fellow citizens? I don't see it. What I do see is civil war now as I type. Small but consequential differences for specific citizens that can have them treated very differently from state to state. Abortion is now criminal in AZ, but perfectly legal in CA. Gay couples being treated as second class in some states. That WAR worthy? No.

[@bartdepalma3820]

​@@Gman671 Our government is increasingly totalitarian, with an unelected bureaucracy decreeing most law; as well as spying on, censoring, cancelling and waging lawfare against the political opposition. The politically connected have become very wealthy by running the government into debt, while the rest of the People languish in stagnation turned stagflation. The Millennials and Gen Z will be the first American generations worse off than their parents. The urban ruling class does little to disguise its contempt for "flyover country;" labeling its inhabitants, their middle class mores and their faith anywhere from deplorable to domestic terrorism. (Posting these realities defines me a domestic terrorist in multiple DHS and FBI publications.) Only a small minority of the People (mostly the ruling class) believe their government works for them or even cares what they think. The American colonies had far lesser grievances with the British Crown when they turned to armed rebellion - about a third of the population revolting, a third remaining loyal and the rest struggling to stay out of the way. The reason I think the film Civil War will resonate is our people are very similarly divided.

[@coppershark1973]

No but once the USA slips into fascism it would be. The indicators are that this may happen, hence the warning this film is giving. People already shoot each other of petty differences but no politician has successfully asked the people to fight for a side, but one came extremely close to it recently, remember?

[@STho205]

​@@coppershark1973 could you define fascism: however don't use names or wars...just the definition of the political and economic theory.

[@Gman671]

@@coppershark1973 - See, I concede that the last part is what worries me most. Repub or Dem, no one can deny that if Trump loses he won't concede. There is basically no scenario that HE wouldn't. And of course he can care less about if that results in violence. I wanted to be apolitical on this, but that last part typing it, it just baffles me people are okay with a candidate whom you know would be willing to let the country burn if he doesn't win.

[@rileyhoffman6629]

Truth is, no country has lasted forever. The end of our great experiment will be tragic, but it's probably inevitable. We have learned nothing.

[@wereldatlas]

The roman empire lasted for 510 years. How long will the USA last?

[@lauranydb7979]

Europe is doing it just fine.

[@krwd]

seriously, that is a deadly way to think ask the french or the british or the germans or the japanese if their countries have ended.

[@rileyhoffman6629]

@@krwd Nonetheless true, historically.

[@niavellir7408]

@@lauranydb7979These people think the US is the only country lol

[@triquach5042]

We don’t have any honest journalists in todays media

[@humbertovazquez3733]

Nor politicians from both sides.

[@niavellir7408]

Did we ever?

[@Ldrobert906]

Saying that this won't happen as long as we can find "Common Ground" does not work. Look at Congress and the House. We have one party that wants what they want without compromising. There is almost no bipartisan agreement in order to move our country forward and benefit most of us. Its like allowing a child to bully and run your home. We need to elect people who actually want to vote by listening to their people and not according to an agenda set up by one man trying to hold on to power for the wrong reasons.

[@starmnsixty1209]

Good advice, but some which should've been taken several decades ago at least.

[@BennyDIVER]

All by design. Voting isnt even relevant, so we dont have choices in the matter

[@fallenseraph5V]

In one party there’s only a select few that have the peoples interest at heart, all the others have their own interest in mind and a bumbling puppet to lead the way.

[@1029db]

We also have “The Purge” movies, nothing like that has happened. This would be an elites wet dream to happen, then they could gain more power and control.

[@MrDisgruntledGamer1]

Oh the purge is very real, homeless people live that life every single day.

[@BigGuy1620]

The rest of this year may well be the scariest months of our lives I fear.

[@jasonwyman4046]

Yup

[@curtisthomas3598]

We no longer have journalists.

[@dantecarpino7500]

Was driving the street this evening and thinking how close we are to this happening. The streets are worn and bumpy, many stores closed and homeless walking the streets. Don't think it would take much for this to happen! God bless us.

[@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx481]

Potholes make anybody want to go to war when you spill your coffee.

[@UpsonPrattJr.]

@@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx481 Amen. And I don't even drink coffee.

[@MrDisgruntledGamer1]

youv already lost the war, because in your mind its the left vs right, but neither side has anything of value. Its the top 1%, the CEOs, the share holders that have us normal people squabbling with each other. Politicians on both isles are apart of this unreachable class of people at the top

[@niavellir7408]

@@MrDisgruntledGamer1You speak the truth but these people are blinded by the propaganda the elites put on us to divide and conquer

[@Halo47143]

That’s not what an AH64 sounds like it’s not a mini gun

[@nunyuhbusiness9016]

That's exactly how it sounds, buddy, read a book.

[@Halo47143]

@@nunyuhbusiness9016 it shoots 30mm, it’s more of a cannon. Worked on the aircraft for over 4 years

[@nunyuhbusiness9016]

@@Halo47143 I was just messing with you, I don't know what either really sounds like.

[@johng1738]

@@nunyuhbusiness9016lol read a book.

[@175dee9]

@@nunyuhbusiness9016Read a book

[@stephentaylor5337]

Go to any Civil War battlefield...go to Gettysburg..feel the truth...see what freedom costs..

[@mr.rhinehart410]

Where there is a lack of LOVE it creates a void, an empty hole. "the opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference. And so the only way that humans can evolve is that they have to care about each other." The problem isn't climate change, it's not greed or covid, food shortages or wars. The real problem or plague that is sweeping the entire world is "INDIFFERENCE."

[@wesleyratko7830]

As soon as we see opponents as "others" and not as humans, we're done. The most dangerous, most destabilizing thought pattern we can have is: "they want to destroy us, so I have to do everything possible to stop them." "They." I'm saying that because I'm guilty of thinking this way. REALLY important to have conversations with folks who disagree with us. NOT about the things we disagree about, necessarily. Just the basic small talk about kids, families, jobs…whatever.

[@philsmgb4393]

The Left has already rationalized the unborn as "subhuman". They are now calling conservatives and Christians "subhuman" while trying to take our guns. We are keeping them.

[@brillo31]

Amazing film by Alex Garland- still at the top of his game/craft.

[@gkilsetup442]

I'm a iraq vet. The combat scenes gave me the nervous goose bumps. And bathroom feels.

[@dragoonseye76]

It doesn’t seem unrealistic at all

[@urmailman]

Im sure Joe said yall dont need to build any sets for the movie just go ahead and tear down the real Mall 😂

[@jutsu1]

It's basically a movie, Americans would break up before killing each other.

[@dragoonseye76]

@@jutsu1 Really?

[@krwd]

just what they want you to think good job

[@dragoonseye76]

@@krwd good one

[@BushMann731]

The thing with journalism today is the sensationalism of almost everything in reporting. This is a reason for un trust. 😢

[@acslater017]

Are you paying for a newspaper subscription? If not you are forcing journalists to rely on advertising and therefore engagement. The fall of journalism hasn’t happened in a vacuum, they are doing what they need to keep the lights on.

[@Brownyman]

The people involved in this film look like they want to cry talking about it. "Don't do this, but here we are."

[@flovv4580]

Ignorance is what dividing us.

[@bowieupland6112]

Comparing journalists to doctors... 😂😅😂

[@janicenunn8525]

good point, 90% of each have sold out, though.

[@krwd]

yep that was a stretch for sure just think if doctors were like them prescribing medicine without doing any research be lots of malpractice going on

[@janicenunn8525]

@@krwd what do you think recommending the jab was? They were paid, and did no substantial research, yet stood behind the mandates?

[@krwd]

@@janicenunn8525 yep i worry to this day about all of the long term on this

[@DadHominem]

The divisions in this country are largely being amplified by the five branches of government: Executive, Legislative, Judicial, Deep State, Corporate (includes news media, social media, big Pharma, Defense contractors, etc.) These divisions are kept in the spotlight by design. Left to a more autonomous form of self-government, the vast majority of people would live, work, and enjoy life together in community just fine. But the 5 branches of government don't want that because it reduces their power.

[@krwd]

sadly, they were infected about 20 years ago

[@markmoody703]

I don't know about unthinkable the way things are going

[@DanielGagne]

Saw it last night. Scary and very well filmed. Brilliant. A24 classic.

[@ronsadventures2007]

Anyone notice it’s coming out April 12 the same date as the real one

[@EdBate]

huh didnt happen

[@josephcioppa1943]

Titanic

[@ronsadventures2007]

@@EdBate trust me the first one happened

[@EdBate]

@@ronsadventures2007 nope civil war was a lie.

[@MichaelJones-rn2pq]

Everybody doesn't hate journalists. But there isn't a lot of love for political activists posing as journalists. Just tell us what is happening and not what you think or what we should think.

[@tabbyreed8925]

Nobody CAN tell you what to think. Someone giving you their opinion is not telling you what to think, they are just giving you their opinion.

[@AlexUSAF]

@@tabbyreed8925 News should not be partisan, not be set on an ideological agenda, nor a hard politically biased opinion, it should only be news alone so the public can make their own deaccessions.

[@tabbyreed8925]

@@AlexUSAF In a perfect world that didn't have 24 hour news channels that didn't need to fill time, sure. However, things are what they are and just because someone gives you their opinion doesn't mean you have to go along with it, it doesn't mean you can't do your own research etc.

[@AlexUSAF]

@@tabbyreed8925 Then their show should be called "Right Wing Opinion" or "Left Wing Opinion", not the city nor national news. I always come to my own conclusions, but that is not what most modern Americans (& other Western nations are guilty of this too) are getting from the so called alleged neutral news channels. Most of them are Leftist controlled networks with an agenda to brainwash the public, & only two of them are Conservative or Republican in the US with a similar inappropriate & negative agenda, yet if they are hard news they should be NONE of those things (yet they are not). News Nation is the newest cable news network & I am surprised they are more fair than all the other much older networks where they give both sides a fair shot which is what I want to see more of. Hard news, no spin, no agenda, no political or philosophical opinion, then put the debating talking heads on afterwards.

[@morrisparrish76]

@@AlexUSAF Dear Alex: “Should” don’t feed the bulldog!

[@SinkingShips1998]

Yeah push the show before the election. It’s perfect, keeps everyone divided

[@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1]

This was one hell of a movie - for me, the best of 2024 Gripping in it's suspense and realism

[@paulzammataro7185]

Texas and California?

[@kennethlacewell1517]

The divides in our country don't really run along state lines...

[@ericburton3963]

In the movie, there are 4 factions, Texas, California, the northern Midwest, and detection that is still under control of DC

[@emilianozapata2051]

You'll be surprised how many Californians are aligned with Texas. The bigger cities get the voting numbers which is why all the madness

[@stuart4341]

@@kennethlacewell1517 to an extent yes, we have clashes with state governments vs the federal goverenment, like all the red states supporting texas with the border issue, blue states refusing to let ice deport illegals in their areas, we could see more in the future if people leave red states to blue states for abortions or trans stuff. Loads of people are leaving blue states (new york, california, oregon) for red states like florida texas and montana. I think the divide is more rural vs urban with surburban being in the middle. LA is more simiilar to Austin than some small rural towns in eastern california for example

[@kdpowers]

Can't upset the masses. If it was Texas and the Southeast it would create conflict in real life at least on social media.

[@jimmyvegas1000]

We must not allow fear to divide us, United we stand

[@chriscampbell7895]

Many of us no longer want to be united to people that hate us and we are alone to each other I have nothing in common with New England nor California Nor do I want to be united with that crowd at all. Some stay United ??? Absurd

[@walkinthrutheparkbymr.melo3905]

@@chriscampbell7895 I know how you feel. There is a lot of educated ignorance.

[@sullathehutt7720]

"Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division" Luke 12:51

[@LiteStyle0o]

@@chriscampbell7895 Hate is a misnomer. We have been disassociated, socially disconnected & down right politically polarized. But hate is only brought on by fear & lack of understanding another point of view. Dueling ideals or disagreements do not have to result in anger & fear of the other opinion. We are United as a country, regardless of our faults or we fall divided & truly no one wins.

[@s1me007]

Saw it yesterday. Masterpiece. The best dystopia since Children of Men

[@lewiglenismusic662]

What every human being needs to understand is that the true law of attraction, not the watered down woo woo version, but the real law of attraction dictates that what we focus on we create whether wanted or unwanted. The fact that this movie literally exists is proof positive that we are headed towards Civil War because it begins to manifest the outcomes while propagating a focal point of the depiction of Civil War in America. Something to think about (or maybe not).

[@QueenBDreamwalker]

The twisted roots the Civil War was born from were never pruned or attended in US, my southern Relatives always said the 2nd round of this unsettled internal conflict would return 🤔🌎

[@Me-sq9ol]

I say let the red states secede and form their own country. We’ll quickly see how well that goes. All the innovation and wealth is mostly in blue states. Many red states are welfare states.

[@Ron-rs2zl]

They said that about the Great War.

[@ronald3419]

Yes, the world wars and the US civil war both have unsettled elements. It appears to be now just a question of which one will return first. We came close to a second Civil War in the 1960s but it may have been the threat of World War III that averted it. Now we have both looming again.

[@payleryder45]

You're writing this as if the Union had the wherewithal to impose such a situation upon the South by force of arms.

[@chriscampbell7895]

And it won’t be about race as much as deep divides and many sectional differences. Liberals hate conservatives but won’t let us go It’s a racist forced union with people we hate

[@wytrose4602]

The corps dream..as long as you don't figure out its them..divided and conquer

[@user-rw4bk6pl3e]

Does anybody know the name of the person in the beginning?

[@edburke8738]

I find it interesting that the film has simply shined a light on one's beliefs, and the socials are the sounding boards thatcontinue to divide an already tribal society.

[@RobVerdone]

This already happened. I lived through it. It was called 2016.

[@chriscampbell7895]

Election denial??? Since Russia hoax is a hoax Denying elections then

[@krwd]

that was the civilized version the real root of this started back around 2008

[@crimony3054]

"Let's cool down folks," The Establishment begs as 2024 election day nears the six month countdown.

[@thatsthewaythecookiecrumbles]

Well, people are looting stores with no fear, or they're violently protesting, theft and violence is on the rise. Criminals are released with no recrimination for their crimes. Squatters have the upper hand because of laws gone lost. Need I go further? When good people see a complete lack of logical checks and balances - when they feel that criminals are running freely - it creates an unnerving sense of insecurity and fear, which leads to paranoia and, ultimately, the need to protect one's self.

[@extreme1801]

Im not scared or worried. The country would be safe, we all know each other and already help each other.

[@myradioon]

"The Day After" made for 2024.

[@johndanson4427]

Nah 28 days later was better, it had a script.

[@myradioon]

@@johndanson4427 A script with a sci-fi plot that would never happen in real life (guy wakes from a coma? aggression inducing virus?). "The Day After" and this movie are about things that actually could happen and have happened (people surviving Nuclear Explosions and Civil War breaking out) without needing to be a zombie movie in disguise. We're talking real life here. That's what makes this not just entertainment.

[@brettcomstock1156]

Yes. The sobering - Very sobering, in fact - cautionary tale was memorable.

[@dollarsaurus01]

or Threads

[@christopherbentley7289]

@@dollarsaurus01 That was an extraordinarily personal film for me as I am a Derbyshireman and in the mid-1980s, when 'Threads' was originally shown, I was at a college in the neighbouring county of Nottinghamshire on a course with a few colleagues from Sheffield, where 'Threads' was primarily located. Some scenes were shot in Buxton, over the southern Pennines from Sheffield, where my late mother and father appeared in some Buxton Festival Fringe productions, too. The familiarity of the locations was nightmarish. Strangely, on the subject of the performing arts, I've since become an 'accidental expert' on the female Pop scene of the satellite nations of the former Soviet Bloc and blog about it at 'Girls Of The Golden East' and at the Fan Blog for Valérie Čižmárová, 'Hotlips On The Horse Tram', so it's quite a thought that those fictional atomic bombs falling on British soil in 'Threads' were being dropped in the name of several singers whom I have come to adore. I'm just gearing up for a 'Girls Of The Golden East' Blog post, involving some KZbin-based activity, as it happens, so watch this space!

[@vikthorcafe7]

Moura is so underrated

[@autofocus4556]

no one cares. stop spamming every comment section.

[@gigahertzrepair]

"Give me all the bacon and eggs you have."... "Wait! I worry what you heard was, give me a lot of bacon and eggs... I said, GIVE ME ALL THE BACON AND EGGS YOU HAVE.. Do you understand?" Server: Shakes his head in understanding

[@thimothywhite]

This has already been happening for some time; except they just loot and don't even ask.