Civilization V Leader | Ramesses II of Egypt

Ramesses II (c. 1303 - 1213 BC) is considered to be Egypt's greatest and most powerful pharaoh. Taking the throne in his twenties, Ramesses ruled Egypt for more than 60 years. Ramesses is remembered as a great military leader as well as for the extensive construction programs he instituted. He is also remembered for building a new capital city, Pi-Ramesses. Some historians believe that Ramesses is the pharaoh in the biblical story of Moses.
- from Civilopedia

[@ibrahimyoussef4263]

wow Rameses is working on his Arabic very well that it inspired me to work more on my Coptic

[@ChrisCa1601]

"This night you will be visited by three plagues, each worse than the last. Return the slab!"

[@mushroomhead3619]

Moses: This night you will be visited by twelve plagues. Let my people go.

[@intergalacticchanel]

I'm not returning the slab.

[@mushroomhead3619]

Return the slaaaaab

[@tariver1]

I guess it was hard for Firaxis to find a translator and a native-speaker voice actor of Coptic.

[@DyadofBast]

Coptic is mainly used for religious rituals in church so to find someone who knows Coptic, can speak English, and is willing to voice over for a game at the same time while not dedicated to church is a challenge.

[@kejiri3593]

@@DyadofBast Ancient Egyptian language exists, problem is nobody has any idea how it was pronounced : o Just the alphabet

[@jimmypints]

Aramaic was used to adress foreigners, so Darius is using the correct language. The more you know ...

[@coltjames9159]

Well this is Ramesses not Darius.

[@takarifan]

It's just so weird to hear an Egyptian pharaoh speak modern Arabic in this game where the Egyptian Empire precede many civilizations, including the Arabs.

[@servantofallah1698]

takarifan your actually wrong arabs had civilizations as old as ancient Egypt

[@youssef-lm8su]

Modern Egyptian Arabic is one of the closest languages to ancient Egyptian, It shares a lot of words with the ancient Egyptian language, not to forget that Arabic and ancient Egyptian languages are from the same langue family.

[@mostafaelfgal4888]

@@servantofallah1698 stfu

[@maerythegreek9008]

@@youssef-lm8su The coptic are as closes as possible. But to reconstruct ancient egyptian that spoke Ramses the ii on 1270 bc would be impossible!

[@youssef-lm8su]

@@maerythegreek9008 We don't know how that language sounded like. So Coptic or any semantic language includes (Arabic, Hebrew..) would be enough, Semitic languages are incredibly close to the Egyptian family. Egyptian Arabic is perfect choice if you asked me, It's kinda of mixture between Arabic and Coptic, and it's the native language of Egyptians (100m) includes Coptics

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

I rewatch this to see his moment of utter, speechless disbelief. You, a mortal, would "declare war" on a god? Set aside the absurdity; why would a man doom himself in such a way? And his kingdom!

[@AlphaMaverick1111]

lol, declaring war on an imposter.

[@mushroomhead3619]

For people complaining that he's speaking Arabic. You're using logic in a game where you can be Rameses at the same time Gandhi was around!

[@JoaoGabriel-hk8ub]

*"For people complaining that he's speaking Arabic. You're using logic in a game where you can be Rameses at the same time Gandhi was around nuking the shit out of people!"

[@tekirkedi8609]

Then whats the point making different languages acourding to main languge of each leaders except only for egyptions ? They chould have just make it all english unless they do correctly for egyiptions

[@mp6471]

He Speaks Arabic?! O.O

[@mohammadmehdi1960]

yes Egyptian arabic,he wasn't speaking coptic BTW because exist during the rule of the potelemic rule

[@CCP-Lies]

It's impossible to find ancient egyptian speaker

[@wenaldy]

Only Chuck Norris can speak Hieroglyphs.

[@elmurodedavid]

Hey, this is for Arabian speakers? Is his accent really Egyptian? Is it thicker, or can you understand all of it?

[@aminelak1452]

He is speaking classical arabic with little bit Egyptian accent

[@manetho5134]

He is Egyptian but he is speaking in standard Fusha Arabic

[@levylozano1690]

The only pharaoh that must be called "one of the greatest leaders of the antiquity"

[@shahan1445]

guys Egyptian people talked in antic times Arabic or old Egyptian language it’s so crazy and looks cool I’m Iranian and every day we learn Arabic in school it’s so hard language yes it’s true 😉

[@R2Holloway13]

This Ramses is better than Civ VI Ramses model wise.

[@Casraid]

Every models in Civ V are better than Civ VI's in my personal opinion. Not a fan of the cartoonish look.

[@mushroomhead3619]

Return the slab!!

[@andreasjmartins]

Ramesses should be speaking Coptic, it has no native speakers, but it's the language that is most related to Ancient Egyptian and the priests (yeah, it's like Latin, spoken only by specialists and priests) really speak it with not much accent, but an accent won't care, because no native speakers

[@TheRabbitFear]

andreas-daniel Martonosy very few people speak coptic and there's not likely to be any voice actors that speak it

[@andreasjmartins]

TheRabbitFear I know that, but there are still people... Just search for the priests, they still speak Coptic.

[@TheRabbitFear]

Yeah, they do but it's if they can translate spoken coptic into written english, and if they're actually good enough to be voice actors or not besides if it was in coptic nobody would understand him but it's arabic so lots of people understand him, which is good when the translations are wrong

[@andreasjmartins]

TheRabbitFear I would rather don't understand it than understand it and it not being correct. That are my preferences, though

[@LuckyDukeSeven]

andreas-daniel Martonosy Coptic isn't ancient Egyptian. In fact, with the addition of all the Greek from the incursions, I'm sure any afro-asiatic language (Arabic included) would have had more in common with what Ramses spoke at the time than Coptic's late incarnation would.

[@skelantros]

Damn, I used to think he speaks Ancient Egyptian when I was a kid 😵‍💫

[@koalkuk3304]

I liked the game but I never got the chance to be pro at it. Now they should make more of Egypt.

[@SutekhRa]

I don't know why people keep saying he's not speaking Egyptian Arabic, but he is. Granted (very!) proper and formal, but still Egyptian Arabic nevertheless. Granted though that it would have been better to get him to speak a language native to Egypt, even if we don't know how any if these languages would have been pronounced or spoken (ideally what Egyptologists call "Neo-Egyptian").

[@samirkhoury2935]

He shouldve spoken egyptian man, not egyptian arabic. There is thing language called coptic which was derrived from middle egyptian. It suits him better

[@DyadofBast]

This is not Egyptian Arabic, but Modern Standard Arabic. Coming from an Egyptian.

[@Cezili]

So, the team of Civ 5 was lazy enough to have Ramesses speaking Arabic instead of Egyptian. However, in Civ 6 Cleopatra speaks to you in Egyptian. So, in the 2010's was this team unable to get a translation from oh I don't know...licensed archaeologists and then have a voice actor speak the translation like they did later on? It's laziness. And before I even think of recognizing arguments of "Arabic is close to Egyptian" no it is far from similar. The only thing the two languages share in common is that they are Abjads. Also, before anyone goes about saying "We don't know how Egyptian sounded": They added Assyrian, Phoenician and Akkadian to Ashurbanipal, Dido and Nebuchadnezzar, those are ancient and dead too but, like Egyptian have left much writing behind. However, are we certain what those sounded like either? If you (reader) time-traveled to Nineveh in Ashurbanipal's time could you say...buy food in a marketplace? They should not have been so lazy and given Ramesses the language he would've spoken in life, or at least what we *think* he'd have spoken in life. It's good they fixed this in Civ 6, but in Civ 5 it's just silly.

[@sharkymcsnarkface6642]

Zakari Roberts Language doesn't really matter all that much and it's more gameplay for me. Don't go all "muh emersion" because this is the same game where Gandhi is a nuclear warlord.

[@hcn6708]

And unlike Akkadian languages, Egyptian has a modern language! It's called Coptic!

[@martindouge4504]

Well, can we talk about laziness when they took the time to, as you say, add dead and obscure languages on characters that spoke those languages ? I've heard that they didn't have a pronounciation guide for Coptic and that it is why they had to resort to that. Ramesses' case is probably more the exception than the rule.

[@NikoChristianWallenberg]

The reason he is speaking Arabic instead of Coptic is because the Coptic speaker they had hired had to cancel at the last moment and they couldn't find another (very few people speak Coptic; you can't just find one out in the street).

[@CalvyWalvy]

The Man in Gauze!

[@adhiambogwengwalchen]

You're hilarious 😂 best comment

[@al-hilalgames5708]

Did you know that Ramesses II has a modern Egyptian passport ?

[@erenoz2910]

such a beautiful language

[@batool0yousaf]

This was Arabic

[@CCP-Lies]

Everyone who complained that he speak Arabic instead of ancient egyptian language Who can speak that language now?

[@iguanodon1416]

Coptic is the most similar in nowdays

[@Loony2033]

Ramesses II - "Return the slab or suffer my curse"

[@mushroomhead3619]

Moses: Let my people go or suffer God’s anger!

[@SauSage3401]

The ancient Egyptian language is a dead language (no one knows how to speak or pronounce it anymore)

[@mushroomhead3619]

Ramases: Eye, arm with an open palm, horned viper, box, fish.

[@shockhouser3171]

Isn't translated threw writing and Coptic speak it

[@Rolando_Cueva]

Coptic meanwhile...

[@oborkot]

Arabic?!

[@DA-123]

Yes

[@hcn6708]

+Daniel Owen Ali Isa Muhammad The guy's an Egyptian, not an Arab. Also, Old Arabic sounds nothing like this.

[@sasisybor633]

Yes this is Arabic my brother

[@jojuna99]

THAT INSULT THO DAAAAAAMN

[@hashimbokhamseen7877]

i think it is very stupid that he speaks arabic he should speak coptic at least

[@Palestine4Ever169]

hashim bokhamseen Stfu

[@tFighterPilot]

The western part of the empire was the area previously belonging to the Babylonians. In the Babylonian empire the language was Aramaic (which is why Nebuchadnezzar should have been speaking Aramaic and not Akkadian) so the Persians just didn't change it when they took over. In Iran, however, the language was and remained Persian (as well as other Iranian languages)

[@blacktiger226]

No, actually Rameses also speaks Fusha. I am from Egypt you know.

[@Motofanable]

Hardly, arabic didn't exit at that time.

[@tahahussein3254]

He's joking...

[@KohanKilletz]

I almost thought he would say "Ghelli Ewi"

[@blacktiger226]

At least he should have spoken the Egyptian dialect of Arabic (like what Ahmed Al-Mansour does with the Moroccan Arabic), instead he speaks traditional Arabic better than Harun Al-Rashid himself.

[@MollyPowerslide]

Its a shame he doesn't speak ancient Egyptian, but then nowadays it must be really hard and really expensive to find someone who can actually speak it to do his lines :(

[@matthewmarkel7847]

you need to brush up on your diplomacy skills

[@jimmypints]

Darius made Aramaic the official language of the empire in his rule, why would he do that if he couldn't speak it? He gathered a group of scholars to create a language only for the Persian people to speak, but Aramaic was otherwise the common language. What reason would he have for making Aramaic so widely spoken if he himself was unable to speak it?

[@tariver1]

He should have sounded like this /watch?v=8RelUm4HUnc&

[@Johosafet]

He sounds like he's been smoking

[@TheRabbitFear]

it would be very expensive to hire somebody that speaks ancient coptic and most people can only speak it from written form they wouldnt be able to translate written english into ancient spoken coptic

[@Rufio_Cristiforus_Tucarus]

Yeah, they were just isolated semitic tribes spread out across the Arabian penninsula.

[@TheLarhf]

Except the English and American one for obvious reasons. The Dutch one isn't too bad either, neither is the Korean one, but yeah most of them speak inaudible gibberish. Also, some have their names misspelled ie. Wilhelm van Oranje or Willem van Oranje.

[@Groxseum]

Fucker backstabs me in every game.

[@Rekovnii]

BUILD WONDERS AND SPAM CULTURE

[@tFighterPilot]

Aramaic was used for the western part of the empire, I don't think there's any proof that Darius himself was even able to speak it. The language of foreign affairs? We might as well have all the leaders speak English then (namely the native Americans). All that said, I'm glad that there's at least one leader which speaks Aramaic.

[@tFighterPilot]

Ramesses speaking standard Arabic instead of Egyptian and Darius speaking Aramaic instead of Persian.

[@jarrodyuki7081]

yes reall arabic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@another90daystochangethis34]

Arabic is the closest we have for Ramesses II to be speaking.

[@tFighterPilot]

Coptic still exists.

[@another90daystochangethis34]

tFighterPilot But to find someone to speak it fluently isn't very easy.

[@hcn6708]

+Ronnie McDeezNuts Priests exist

[@kasikasivendjinn5345]

m0ng His Arabic doesn't even sound Egyptian, plus Coptic still exist, makes more sense if he speak Coptic

[@awesomealligator1015]

Why is he speaking Arabic?

[@TheRabbitFear]

because there's only a handful of coptic (ancient egyptian) speakers in the world and they're not voice actors

[@ChemicalCorpse1]

TheRabbitFear lmao coptic is very different from kemetic egyptian. In fact, its closer to Greek.

[@7Tomb7Keeper7]

TheRabbitFear There were five spoken language in Anceint Egypt ,non of them is Coptic

[@islambarakat8007]

+Awesome Alligator 101 Hello sir, I'm an Egyptian and I studied some of Art History in Ancient Egypt.And there is a theory supported by many that ancient Egyptians spoke Arabic. Not Arabic as it is today exactly. but a slightly "older" form. an "old version". They might be the first to speak Arabic in fact... The Hieroglyphic writings and symbols might be the first written form of Arabic.. .Since it shares many similarities in the design of today's Arabic letters... A fact that supports this is that today's Egyptians use many expressions that doesn't have any meaning in today's culture. but has a meaning in ancient Egyptian's. Example is "I will send you behind the sun".. a threatening expression which refers to the God of Sun in ancient Egypt who tortured enemies of the pharaoh. So yes. Ancient Egyptians used that expression as a threat. Now days Egyptians use it even if they don't "know" what it means. just because it moves from a generation to another.

[@tFighterPilot]

Sounds like modern Arab-Centric bullshit theory. Heard the same things about Canaanites also from and Arab "Professor". These "Theories" are made up to make it seem like the Arabs are natives of the lands outside Arabia rather then colonialist conquerors. The origin of Arabic letters is no mystery. They come from the Nabataean letters - from the Syriac letters - from the Aramaic alphabet - Phoenician alphabet - Proto-Sinaitic alphabet and then yes, Egyptian alphabet. However, same goes for pretty much every alphabet used from Spain to Mongolia.

[@alalalala57]

Many of them do, but some are not as fluent.

[@Oppetsismiimsitsitc]

Coptic is the modern Egyptian language, descendant of ancient Egyptian.

[@GrandTeutonica]

An ancient Egyptian speaking Masri...sure why not lol

[@MusicGamesEverything]

Good luck finding someone that can speak ancient Egyptian today

[@samirkhoury2935]

@@MusicGamesEverything they could at least use coptic, my friend, not arabic

[@DyadofBast]

Not even Masri, it is Fusha.

[@GrandTeutonica]

@@DyadofBast Oh mashy! Shukran! I just asked my friend. Fusha is standard Arabi. ^__^

[@micaelroldan]

Like Nebuchadnezzar's voice acting... it's bad.

[@martindouge4504]

Laaaaaaaaa

[@veryconfusedturtle]

@@martindouge4504 Laaaaaaa?

[@barbatvs8959]

The game Civilization looks like playing on honeycombs with either very dramatic or very awkward behaviour by rulers and punctuated by Gandhi nukes or threats of nukes. Where's Kim Jong Un, leader of the atheist nation?