It shouldn't. Games shouldn't be ridicoulous in table.
@Vypper710 сағат бұрын
@@nicocardonadenis or people need bigger tables... :)
@Mark-jaggerКүн бұрын
I own this one but have yet to table it. I’m so happy to hear it plays well both solo and two player as that’s they’re the player counts I’ll be playing at. Great review guys. Thanks.
@Platonick66Күн бұрын
After nearly ten games we now have 2 player down to 90 minutes or so. A brilliant game
@bradymccann18 сағат бұрын
A dream!
@joeferreti944211 сағат бұрын
maybe 90 minutes to set up
@Platonick6610 сағат бұрын
@joeferreti9442 it takes two of us under ten minutes to set up
@music_man25722 сағат бұрын
I would love to see Mike play this solo on the channel. Is it too long of a game to have it featured on the Dilisio Factor? Sorry if I spelled your last name wrong Mike.
@michaeldilisio55720 сағат бұрын
You spelled it perfectly. It would definitely be pushing it as far as time, but it’s not out of the question.
@bradymccann18 сағат бұрын
@@michaeldilisio557I’d love to watch it!
@ledbetter1017 сағат бұрын
Played this once on Tabletop Simulator. Loved it and bought it.
@joshuamiller9793Күн бұрын
Tom, and team, thank you for reviewing Civolution! I appreciate you guys. I hope you all have the most blessed year of your lives!
@GamingRulesVideosКүн бұрын
Tom said the 2-player game didn't fit on a 3x6 table? That seems odd, since it absolutely does fit. In fact, a 4-player game fits on a 3x6 table. I know, I've done it multiple times :) Mike - great review. Glad you like it. And yes, it is the first time ever that a rulebook has told you how much space is needed for the game.
@12345678abracadabraКүн бұрын
There's a difference between something that CAN fit vs something that can fit COMFORTABLY. What I dislike playing on is a game where boards and components are touching edge to edge and there is no breathing space, you can't even see the table anymore. That makes for a claustrophobic experience.
@nzcamel3Күн бұрын
That's the difference between the average European approach to what can fit in a given small space and the avaerage American one ;)
@Vypper7Күн бұрын
That’s what I was going to say, we played 4 player on 3 by 6 table, no problem.
@GamingRulesVideosКүн бұрын
@@12345678abracadabra it fits comfortably. Not claustrophobic. And Tom said he struggled to play a 2-player game on a 3x6 table whereas the rest of us can play a 4-player game on the same size table no problem.
@bradymccannКүн бұрын
I never played a Feld game, so I invested some money and time into this game and learned it this past week. WOW - I genuinely think it’s a masterpiece and it will survive the test of time. It’s such a fun sandbox game and actually has solid theme with the card play and actions. The dice mitigation is good and the die rolling also persuade you to take extra actions you wouldn’t have initially, which I have learned to like. The rule book/glossary is one of the best I’ve ever used and after one solo play, I only pull the rulebook out 1-3 times a game now just to confirm something that I already assumed I knew! It’s my favourite game of the year and I think it will stay in my top 10 all time for a long time. If you were debating on buying this one, take the time to learn it and you will be rewarded. My quick review: Pros - amazing production and rulebook, Feld design, organized, sandboxy feel, fantastic symbology, deep strategy Cons - table hog, long game Both of those cons are worth it for a game like this. It’s a 9.5/10 for me!
@kennygoodenow6505Күн бұрын
Just completed my first play today and agree with you guys 100%. Amazing production, especially the rule book and component choices. The dice-based luck element is the main thing that holds it back for me.
@bradymccannКүн бұрын
Lean into dice mitigation and it won’t be a problem! (Focus, ideas, planning, and the one space can be upgraded and give you 6 ideas for one action at level 2)
@justinoke196520 сағат бұрын
15:00 here you do procreation "Okay how does that work?" Gave me a chuckle
@rainerholunderbach3581Күн бұрын
I played it 11 times an teached it 10 times. Its the best rulebook and ruleset i have ever seen for such a long and heavy game. Fyi: I lost all my games of civolution because i explored a new strategy evertime 😅
@begibegi8011Күн бұрын
I am teaching it for the first time this week. Any advice? Do you go through the various actions in the same order as they are mentioned in the rulebook, or do you have some other approach?
@BleuchzКүн бұрын
Civo is probably my favorite heavy euro since A Feast for Odin and with a best in class solo mode. I can't believe how smooth it plays thanks to an absurdly good ui with little rules reminders peppered throughout the production. Probably a bit long but it's time well spent.
@fyrnice25Күн бұрын
Feast for Odin lacks theme… basically just an elaborate Super Tetris… shape acquisition for their shape… not functionality. Fields of Arle the better thematic open sandbox game.
@BleuchzКүн бұрын
@fyrnice25 thanks for your field of arle opinion on a comment thread for Civolution 🤣
@bradymccannКүн бұрын
The solo mode is insanely good design
@boardgameswiththomasКүн бұрын
I'm really excited to give this game a try! I remember seeing it at Gencon and it seemed like an awesome civilization game
@shaunfischer7570Күн бұрын
There is a scripted workshop for it on Tabletop Simulator. That is where I play it Solo.
@Sebastian-rp5sjКүн бұрын
Fantastic game. By far (well not that far since Ark Nova exists and is a close second) the best game I have ever played. I'll happily play it at any time with any player count. In my experience 2p takes about 2 hours (30 mins less with experience) and then it scales down. 3p games usually take 2:30h. Teach is between 30 mins to an hour depending on the people you teach to. But the game can easily be taught in 30 minutes which is another huge plus.
@PMMagroКүн бұрын
The game looks very interesting. I know there will be major AP though. When the time on the box says 1½- 3h that sounds like a full day game. Liking other Feld games and being a fan of civ-building it is must to at least try this one. If the solo game is good that might be a buy.
@george_castleКүн бұрын
This was a surprising score from this team. This one has not been on my radar but after watching the overview I may reconsider. Even if just for solo.
@bradymccannКүн бұрын
Do it!
@LordjunonКүн бұрын
High barrier to entry, but once you break that barrier it goes quick.
@bradymccannКүн бұрын
Fastest I’ve ever seen
@martinpersson1412Күн бұрын
This is my personal game of the year and I was very surprised to not really see it have much of a presence on the top 10 lists. I am glad that they still liked it.
@Vypper7Күн бұрын
Best Feld in about 10 years…. Gave it a 8.5 rating after solo play, now at 9 after multiplayer
@PatrickBrophyКүн бұрын
Holy Table Hog, Batman!
@joeferreti944211 сағат бұрын
Well, I guess, if I want to do a complicated Excel spreadsheet, I'd rather do a paid job instead of playing "Civolution".
@thiesingaКүн бұрын
After a few plays we can knock out a four player game in two hours not including set up and break down.
@nshaw1299Күн бұрын
Feld's games became 'Boutique games' with their prices... It's a bummer actually.
@bradymccannКүн бұрын
This game has a decent price imo. $100 Canadian, tons of cardboard and pieces, and amazing design with solo too. I don’t see it as overpriced
@nshaw1299Күн бұрын
@bradymccann I didn't say overpriced. I said it's a 'boutique game'. Pricy from the getgo, with not a high chance of being truly 'available for commoners'. Too many good games are such today. I'm not saying those games and their production aren't 'worth the price'. I'm saying they are for the 'boutique market'. It's not like there's an objective price where from that point on games are 'boutique'... but 75$+ games... makes a good case of being above such 'inexistent point'. Again, can't fault the market, but... what is a good game if most (whatever 'most' means in this case) people can't play it even if they think it's a great game...
@tombeullens4914Күн бұрын
Thanks for the review guys... Brilliant game... I don't get the critics about the teach and gamelength here... If you really like a game that's not an issue at all, this one plays so smoothly that after one play both playtime and teach reduces a lot... Every game with dice has somewhat of luck Involved but it is absolutly not decisive in this one! And if the swaps are far away than don't take the goal with the swamps 😊
@joeferreti944211 сағат бұрын
I guess that is mainly Queen Games' doing.
@nshaw12999 сағат бұрын
@joeferreti9442 They always made 'large boxes' (and even larger 'Big Box' versions). But, for instance, the base 'Alhambra', 'Kingdom Builder', 'Thebes' or 'Escape: Curse of the Temple' and many others weren't at these level of prices even if they weren't on the cheap side... It's Queen Games, not IV studios...
@RafaelinuxКүн бұрын
I'll have to try it out somewhere. The mechanics seem interesting, but the game is subjectively not the best looking
@Mokkel73Күн бұрын
I have played it once. It was a 4p-session with people who’s company I really enjoy. It felt like I had my whole life´s worth of bad dice rolls in that one single session. I have had some bad days with terrible dice rolls in Castles of Burgundy (a game with a similar dice mechanism of which I have at least a hundred plays) but still managed to tweak my way of it, and therefore I dont remember them. But this session of Civolution was terrible, it was a total drag. During each round I would have 2-3 actions that made any sense, but rolled everything else but those. It felt like 4-5 hours of constantly trying to mitigate bad dice rolls and not doing anything coherent that mattered, always wasting dice for the sake of speeding up a next refresh phase. The reason for this is that the order you do the stuff in matters a whole lot. it doesnt really matter that much in i.e Castles of Burgundy. And if the cards that are out suck for your strategy, they wont really cycle out of the game, like in i.e Ark Nova where cards are flowing through the market constantly. I have not enjoyed a board game as little as I enjoyed this before (I understand that the luck factor this particular day influenced my perception of the game, but this level of waste of time shouldn´t be possible. If what I experienced that day is a potential outcome of above average bad luck, I won’t even touch the game again, ever).
@alicia1465Күн бұрын
Don’t sleep on the sleep module! Or Planning, or upgrading the one tile to get 6 idea tokens with an action. Hope it goes better if you try again
@TheBrokenMeepleКүн бұрын
@@alicia1465 but if he had to spend limited actions to mitigate bad luck and the other players don't then those other players are better off by default. That is the golden law of luck mitigation. Oh you spent precious time and resources upgrading the mitigation actions? And still whiffed on drawing a good card? Oh well I rolled lucky and can do my chosen strategy actions fine.
@rickgoodman8911Күн бұрын
Yep.
@alicia146522 сағат бұрын
@@TheBrokenMeeple that’s fair, and I get how that luck might be frustrating. I have only played solo and like the challenge of making the best of what I’ve got, but I also tend to like games like that, in which you have to sometimes pivot or adjust to circumstances rather than just seeing a strategy through from start to finish. I know that is not for everyone, though, and I totally understand if the person who posted doesn’t like the game. I just thought to offer the advice, because I sort of ignored those spaces on my first couple of plays, then realized how beneficial they can be.
@MattWGAllan21 сағат бұрын
Order of actions in CoB is crucial. I have yet to try Civolution, hoping to this Thursday, but your complaints scream of the same complaints I've seen from people who had a bad time with CoB and in my experience those people weren't having bad luck they were just playing CoB really terribly, unable to see their options, trying to force the actions they want instead of adapting to what they rolled. Hope that's the case for you with Civolution. Edit: to clarify, in CoB you want to leave yourself in a position that any different rolled numbers are useful, so many times people say they had bad luck when the only thing that could have been useful was a five because that is the position they put themselves in, the only good tiles left are in the five spot, the only tiles they have need a five to be placed, they've only got goods that require a five, so much of the mitigation in CoB is about leaving yourself in a position to use any roll and I wonder if it's the same in Civolution.
@TheBrokenMeepleКүн бұрын
The mitigation isn't enough for a 4 hour + 1 hour teach game. I can see its potential solo for a 2 hour sandbox if you're happy to use dice, but multiplayer, never. The location exploration is also quite powerful for points but mainly the map layout has a big impact on some of those goals you grab. Let's say you get one that wants.... Swamps or something and it turns out they are at the other end of the board. Sucks to be you but you can't do anything about that.
@Mokkel73Күн бұрын
I totally agree!
@matt7912-j9pКүн бұрын
This game can easily be taught in 30 minutes
@TheBrokenMeepleКүн бұрын
@@matt7912-j9p I would love to see that in person.
@TheBrokenMeepleКүн бұрын
I want to see that 30 min in person because given I've played light euros and finished then in the time it's taken people to teach it, I don't think it's doable let alone "easily".
@Mokkel73Күн бұрын
@@matt7912-j9p I dont believe that.
@TabletopFamilyКүн бұрын
So many good games getting high scores now. Would be cool for a new metric. Like if the game will replace other games, or get played after the review.
@delorean-8821 сағат бұрын
Could Stefan Feld be trolling his fans with the amount of the biggest yet point salad?
@jonathana6298Күн бұрын
10/10 video title. 😊
@dreadpirate907Күн бұрын
Have only just started watching, but wanted to come make this same comment!
@jorisdelmarcel148019 сағат бұрын
Is it just me or are your scores going up all the time? I mean that a lot of games get 9’s these days while in my opinion that should be really exceptional.
@MrUSAFMattКүн бұрын
This game looks like an absolute mess
@Vypper7Күн бұрын
If mess is code for “amazing”, then you are correct !
@joeferreti944211 сағат бұрын
It looks really really repelling!
@Vypper710 сағат бұрын
@joeferreti9442 not the greatest, but it is miles ahead of the graphic designs of his games from Alea and Queen. Also, I believe it fits the theme, the player board is like a switchboard / computer interface that the students are using to affect the program, which is the world
@mattiamodena5791Күн бұрын
Good God, and I thought Terraforming Mars was ugly...