CK3 Is Playing Tall Completely Broken?

[@SnapStrategy]

Part 2 is out now! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/ineQp3ZpndGdkNE

[@andreidanilov9925]

I love how crusader kings encourages you to have a feast or hunt every time a relative dies

[@SnapStrategy]

didnt think of it that way lol

[@terralp2062]

In the arms of the maid I seek solace.

[@LuizOtavioZen]

Makes sense for the period, in the middle ages mortality rates was sky high you could spend all your life in depression or do things that would "honor them" or at least keep your mind out of it.

[@Pchlster]

Where I live, the tradition is still to have a meal, drink and share stories about the deceased after the funeral. Literally translated, it would be called "grave beer." A day dedicated to just having a good time remembering the dead is a fine tradition.

[@jarjab2games]

@@Pchlster here in America we also tend to have a large meal after a funeral. I think it is a long standing human tradition that many cultures share now. Tbh, humans find lots of excuses to get together and eat.

[@ataberkuzun9582]

Build cities near coast and build guild halls and ports in them. And build up your capital quite a bit because development spreads to adjacent counties. So focusing development in a single county is a very viable strategy. Diligent planing and centralization helps with that. And the best skill tree for building up development is actually Scholar in the learning tree. 30% dev growth + %20 development task speed.

[@SnapStrategy]

Good to know, thankyou very much! ill make sure to remember all of this when i try again to play tall! as this was my first proper attempt at it so thats good to know!

[@ultravires1134]

Leaving development increase on a single county is the worst you can do. At least alternate between 2 counties adjacent to the one you develop. Simple math...

[@ataberkuzun9582]

@@ultravires1134 Nope i have tried it both ways. Especially if the capital is at a central place in your empire developing only on your capital is more effective and easier than alternating. More adjacent counties your capital has the better.

[@ultravires1134]

@@ataberkuzun9582 Thats just BS. Its mathematically impossible, cause you have less development progress the further ahead your developing county is... So youre going straight against 0,1 progress, whereas you could have a minimum of 0,3 if you have 3 adjacent counties and alternate between them. It is *not* better, cause it just cant be. Thats a *fact.* Its just easier to do so, less tedious.

[@ataberkuzun9582]

@@ultravires1134 Oh i get what you are saying. But researching the development limit tech first removes that problem. But it's true that when you hit the dev limit of that era you should change where you are deving up.

[@jfj5301]

Tip on how you can save a lot of gold and get a better physician, instead of searching for one when you get sick or wounded just marry one of your knights off to the person with the highest learning skill, and they will learn themselves the physician traits.

[@jfj5301]

And it only costs 10 gold to appoint them as a physician. It can easily save you like 150+ gold

[@SnapStrategy]

didnt realise they could learn themselves that trait! thats really useful to know thanks for that!

[@yournarrativehasexpired3201]

Yeah anytime someone in your court gets wounded, your physician gets a chance to get or improve the trait

[@admontblanc]

@@SnapStrategy even your character can learn those skills if you do the correct things, usually requires a good learning and scholar skills though.

[@alexclarke6924]

Also, forget renowned physicians. Only get shamans (wise man/mystic/miracle worker). The mystical treatment they give is insanely effective, often outright curing dangerous illnesses instantly.

[@utmbunderground]

Marry an infertile woman for her stewardship (or desired skills). Seduce a younger genius/beauty/amazonian/etc. Only legitimize the best heir (plus a daughter or two for alliance purposes), pay the Pope to be forgiven, and enjoy your lands not being split on your death with zero penalties.

[@SnapStrategy]

Honestly no idea why i didnt think about that lol makes perfect sense! thanks for the tip

[@utmbunderground]

@@SnapStrategy lol, don't worry; that's a meta slave thing. The community I play in banned it because people were pause microing marriages. :D

[@SnapStrategy]

oh lol! ill be sure using it though

[@noahburns6042]

Bastards can't inherit

[@admontblanc]

@@utmbunderground you can do it so many ways. They added the vows mechanic so you can even get your sons to take the vows and get a trait that disables all their land claims forever, and this bypasses the bastardy maluses or dynastic prestige hit of disinheriting an heir.

[@mariusjoachims6866]

33:34 Nooooo, don’t revoke theocratic vassals! Grant them more holdings, and if you’re a religious icon, they give you 55% taxes. An Empire with only bishops is so OP!

[@banana-vd7jm]

I would reconmend rushing the 'Its my domain' perk becuase that gives you loads of money and some dread as well, although it can sometimes give a small ammount of tyranny. you do however need at least 1 vassel of count level or higher. also being part of an empire is best for playing tall, slowly getting your taxes down to nothing, the stewerd position being verry good for playing tall, and you can get the fortifacation rights fudal contract, which makes building castles 50% cheaper and constructing buildings in castles are 15% cheaper.

[@SnapStrategy]

Thats all good information to know, thankyou very much man

[@laszlobandi6456]

there are bad events, normally the courtiers extorted is bad if there is a chance that they murder you (the 50 pop opinion helps and if you are high up in stewardship the last option for courtier and guest opinion counters it) there are also events that would reduce control to minimum or for 10 years (honestly 10 years seems to be better especially now with seneschals with high stewardship and prowess). if you got someone rich, a single steward or diplo vassal, who is generous and possibly a friend, you can extort him back to back 4-5 times

[@banana-vd7jm]

@@laszlobandi6456 their not bad events though, with the cortiers event, you can just exchnage prestege for the money if you want, there is also never an even semi-sucessful murder scheme against you, and you can just have your spymaster disrupt any schemes that do form. also I will admit, the county extortion is the worst one, but still not bad, either you get a peasant war that you can easily crush, or you get -100 control for like 300 gold, I dont think any county early game earns that in 3 years (about the time it takes to get back control) and its not like you cant earn money in that time, its just reduced.

[@Romovom7]

I played a tall playthrough as the county ofVerona and I loved it. The game is completly different if you play tall its more strategy focused which made me hooked on playing feudal counties.

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah its something ive never fully tried its just refreshing to play a little different from time to time

[@CumradFluffy]

Stewardship is the best starting education and focus (for feudal rulers, Diplomacy for Tribals), nothing comes close. Tips n' Tricks: Start of the game, modify your feudal contract for higher taxes and guaranteed Council position, and make yourself the Steward. The extra gold easily covers the extra taxes, and you will be swimming in ludicrous amount of gold anyways. Focus on finishing the left tree first, generating gold out of thin air (Extortion is massively overpowered, basically gives you a free building every 5 years as well as being able to spam Banquets and Hunts on cooldowns). With all that extra prestige, you can easily add Feudal Election to your 2 main duchies (for those that don't know about it, when you hold all the counties within these 2 ''main'' duchies and set Feudal Elective, you basically cancel confederate partition if your main title is Kingdom-tier. If you vote for you player heir, all of your other kids won't get anything since your 2 duchies have different succession laws, which removes them from partition). And then, every 10 years you can Sell Minor Titles for great amount of cash, especially if you are now King-level. When you have the option, build extra Baronies (lands you control directly are always better than cities or temples). Earlier in the game you will give them to Barons, but you can revoke them at anytime without Tyranny when your domain limit increases, and frankly, exept some ludicrous Duchies (Bohemia for example), you will safely hit 10-12 domain limit early with stewardship. With that amount of gold, you will have built everything to level 2 in a matter of years. Your troops count will be massive (Martial characters will be very jealous) and the amount of prestige you have will makes Diplomacy focus characters mad, since you will have access to as much alliances if not more (not that you need them). For barony build, the best way to build up is as follow : Land-based : Walls, Farms, Cattle, Military-building that boost your single men-at-arms type (explained later why) Coastal : Walls, Ports, Farms, Military Fertile Land-based: Walls, Manors, Farms, Regiment Military Fertile Coastal : Walls, Manors, Ports, Regiment Military 3-building baronies: Walls, Farms (replace with ports for coastal), Military 3-building fertile baronies : Walls, Manors, Regiment You will have so much gold, that you don't need to go ham on gold buildings, seriously. Having those military buildings will boost your troop count significantly and since your domain limit is insane, insane bonus on your m-a-a. Men-at-arms : Always have a Siege m-a-a. Go for a second one when you hit your fifth one. Then, go for a single one, Armoured Footmen or your culturally strong one. Why go for one type? Well, the counter mechanics are flawed. Example: You have 3 stacks of Armoured Footmen, 40 attack (estimate) each. To be countered to 10% attack power, your ennemies need double that amount of Skirmishers (10 attack), which nobody exept a human player will have, but nobody can field 6 regiments anyways. If they have 3 stacks (equal numbers), your Armoured Footmen will be countered to 50% (20, still stronger than the 10 attack skirmishers). Since you upgraded a single type of m-a-a, they will be strong as hell.

[@SnapStrategy]

thankyou so much for actually taking the time to share all of this! its like incredibly helpful! definitely going to be using all of this soon! as i got another video planned for soon that might require some money to do so i will 100% have this comment up as a good guide lol! didnt know a lot of that so thankyou again man!

[@Shiny49GER]

I think Intrigue is better than Administration if you are a smaller vasall: You can fabricate hooks on your liege which gives you early opportunities to change your vasall contract to have a court position at all times and then you can demand to become the court steward of your liege, which gives you a lot of gold per month compared what you get with your 1 or 2 counties and you also get a bonus for taxes and building speed/costs. You can also fabricate hooks on other lords courtiers/knights or make them your affair to force them to come to your court (if you can get a Steward with the Architect skill, you will get building bonus again), resulting in having a court with 20-25 points in the respective court position. Saves you lots of money. I think however that noobs to CK3 are better of with Administration in the beginning because Intrigue needs some deeper understanding of game mechanics.

[@admontblanc]

@@SnapStrategy some people do this and boost only archers with the military buildings, since they're the cheapest m-a-a you can get. It's very viable although archers are not as great late game when powerful rulers start fielding heavy cavalry. But whatever you pick follow his strategy of having always at least 1-2 siege m-a-a and a single type of combat ones that you boost with all your military buildings. I've done a tall campaign as Duke/King of Portugal where I ended up with a massive army, controlling just the Iberian peninsula, and none of the other powers could actually challenge me.

[@Shiny49GER]

@@CumradFluffy What are your most preferred focusses? For me it's Education (mid-endgame) > Intrigue (early game) > Stewardship (every few rulers to invest lots of money in more barony towns or upgrading buildings) > Diplomacy (in mid/engame when Intrigue isn't as powerful anymore) > Martial (I hate it and only play it when I am forced to play it by unlucky unforeseen succession events). As you said, I really like the planning and scaling with player skill and understanding of mechanics that some of the focus trees allow. As we both agree Stewardship is always a solid choice.

[@CumradFluffy]

@@Shiny49GER Stewardship for the 2 first characters usually, to develop my lands and secure a steady income for future generations. What I dislike about the other education is their lack of generating gold, which makes it harder to be good at what decisions or focus the other education grants. When the 2 stewards are done, I rp and follow the focus of my heirs. I try to make them Diplomats to gain access to Epics, to further boost my renown gain. Lately I have been experimenting with realm fracture and now, I let them split. The renown gain is really good early and makes for interesting and rp alliances. I like playing Martial characters, to gain the elope scheme (its quite fun). Depending on religion, I try to focus on holy wars (especially with Martial rulers). And with the multiple kings of my dynasty, I get invested in their wars and play to defend them. Gives me a good challenge for sometimes they are really bad at keeping their lands instead of just forming an empire right of the bat.

[@FizCap]

Wow marrying your courtiers to people with high stats to use them as councilors is something I've never thought of before and I have 1k hours on ck2 and 100 on ck3. You can always learn something new with this game lol.

[@SnapStrategy]

Honestly yeah same i learn something new from the comments every day! its insane lol

[@BrandonGallemore]

I was looking for anyone doing this recently in CK3. You're the first person in the last six months. I feel like this play style can help you last until the end of the game much easier.

[@SnapStrategy]

Honestly ive never fully tried it before but its quickly become one of my favourite strats its a lot of fun and gets you surprisingly powerful

[@loganbryant4585]

Would love to see this playthrough continued! See how far it can take you!

[@SnapStrategy]

I wasn't originally planning to, might do 1 more part as im close to being insanely op in that save lol

[@loganbryant4585]

@@SnapStrategy that's a fair point haha

[@SebastianMartinez-bl7hz]

@@SnapStrategy Yeah do itttt!!!

[@alexeyagapov4205]

I remember doing exactly that with Cornwall :) Felt good to be one of the most developed regions worldwide. Some cities are starting out super developed, like Constantinople and Rome, but I think I caught up with them. I wasn't too happy about the rest of southern Britain leeching off my hard work, though :)

[@SnapStrategy]

Doing it with cornwall sounds like a lot of fun one of my favourite starts in the game1

[@donkarnage6986]

I did it with Wales, alot of fun, bus as you say the rest of britain enjoys it alitte to much!

[@SJ-vc6zn]

I have a lot of experience doing this strat. You can become so powerful doing this that late game its viable to paint the map if you want, no normal empire in the game controlled by the AI would ever be powerful enough to stop you. The main reason this was never a strat people thought was good is because it takes twice the time as just painting the map. Long term it is stronger, and better than painting the map. Though its easier and less time consuming to paint the map and gain power that way.

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah thats a fair point, i get why it might be boring for some people too compared to the constant fighting, hopefully the royal court adds some more peace time content to make playing tall more interesting

[@SJ-vc6zn]

@@SnapStrategy Hopefully it does, thats always what CK as a series has felt lacking in. If I am role playing as a medieval ruler, I want to feel like one. The war aspects and the mechanics of actually running your kingdom that you can build from scratch are very fun and engaging, it has just always felt like there were large gaps missing where there should have been systems and interactions. I am genuinely looking forward to what new frontiers come with this game for this genre. It feels like it has the potential to define Grand Strategy for years to come if they do this game justice.

[@admontblanc]

@@SnapStrategy you can actually mix both strategies if you really want. I guess it depends on what kind of kingdom title you're after. All you need is to spawn an heir and marry for an alliance with one of the stronger rulers, like HRE Kaiser, King of England or King of France. Any of those 3 backing you will allow you to quickly overpower whoever you need to crush for your kingdom title. All the while you continue to focus your tall strategy on your domains, and hopefully maintain full control of your main duchy's baronies like you did here. The only thing you have to keep in mind is that on a larger realm you have to start micromanaging vassals as well as your dynasty if you want to keep everything sailing smoothly. The game will always throw you something harder to chew at some point or another, like here when your first gen heir got wrecked with illnesses, so keeping things under a balance is key. Strategize your goals and plan ahead. For example, unwanted male heirs can be inducted into a learning focus, you can then assign them a cleric as a guardian, and when thy come off age you can make them take the vows, which makes them a cleric themselves and disables all their inheritance claims permanently without costing you anything (this way you don't have to spend dynasty points which are slow to gain initially for you to unlock the dynastic bonuses). Historically a lot of noble families used to do this to get their lesser children into powerful positions in the clergy, like having them rise to become cardinals (which could then influence the election of popes), I hope Paradox eventually adds more mechanics where this can be used to our advantage too.

[@donkarnage6986]

its easy to paint the map, but hard to keep for "normale" players

[@DM-Oz]

@@SnapStrategy More peace time content would be great

[@christianbeske2417]

Bohemia with coinage rights can get nuts development. Plus you never have to worry about succession as the Czech culture group gives you house seniority from game start.

[@SnapStrategy]

sounds good! thanks for the suggestion! :)

[@LegendaryZet]

But doesn't house senority give the possibility of your brother taking the titles since they are older than your heirs?

[@antuanwallace7665]

I don't think you have to make excuses for using a custom character, as long as it fits the Ironman/Achievement cap, should be good to go.

[@sensationalopie]

Glad to see you allied with THE Crusader King guy (The guy from the trailers) 19:12

[@sagelaw5997]

I know this is a CK3 video, but seeing this video really brought me back memories of playing tall in CK2. Funny story, at one point, I was playing the count of Milan in Lombardy. I got married to one of my liege's sisters for a hefty prestige boost (and surprisingly decent statted wife) . The king accepted cos she was fairly down on the succession list. So a few years pass and the king dies. His unpopular son now sat on the throne. There were a few factions that were set up to usurp him, but they were all disbanded soon after. But one day I found that my wife now had a gold ring around her portrait, it confused me for a second until the pop up appeared just a moment later. Apparently the vassals actually managed to bully the king into abdicating the throne. And my wife now sat on the throne. And as my marriage to her was not matrilineal, my kids will inherit the throne. It definitely defeated the purpose of playing tall, focusing on one county and whatnot, but God was that some rng. Mission failed successfully I guess. Ahh, CK2, you never quite know what to expect.

[@fatalvampire]

Awesome! Would love to see this become a series!

[@SnapStrategy]

Thanks! :) ive recorded 1 more part just to wrap it up a little, as i got some more similar ideas planned for the future! :)

[@KingCrofty]

if you're going for development growth, you want as many holdings as possible in your county to be cities as they have exclusive access to guilds for an extra 5% growth per upgrade, also make sure your capital holding of your capital county is within farmlands for an extra boost.

[@lyall1412]

when you force council rights, you can actually demand a position of your choice from your liege. Also having towns build instead of castles earns way more money, even when mayors are mad at you they will chug more money than a fully upgraded castle will.

[@maddahy]

And you can grant them counties, respectively duchies which become republican :D

[@laszlobandi6456]

temples give the most money actually cities are best for breeding projects, since you can revoke it with no tyranny and send a married couple in, then revoke when the lady is 45. especially now with royal court you can invite them back to court with all their kids (otherwise just daughters, nieces and friends). But the additional kids they produce make your kingdom better, as those kids can have super high traits and super high up in relevance list, so it's a lot of generations in short time, lot of good skills and no claims on your lands, and worst case they marry random vassals so less inbreeding and higher average skills.

[@cgoodm]

I like to use the character finder for searching for physicians instead of the default event. You just have to set the filters up the physician trait and then sort by opinion, it might take some diplomacy but you can often sway or seduce tier 2 or 3 physicians and then get them to come to your court. Just make sure they're unlanded and not married, which you can add to the filter I think.

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah im pretty sure you can filter those. 100% will be doing that in the future, thankyou!

[@laszlobandi6456]

just get random miracle worker/mystic/wise man, you can train them up with flagellating yourself which is low risk at younger age but might push their skill up, and there are events to push their learning so the younger they are the better. also check their religion. if you want them to not be killed then convert them, but if you plan them to have kids, keep it on the religion as those traits are coming from that. maybe you can even land them at a city at age 35-40 and get new ones, their kids might get the trait from the religion.

[@miershyk]

One suggestion about court physician is to appoint your court chaplain (if they've high learning skill) as physician. It'll help increase their Learning skills as well, especially if they did successful treatments etc. Marrying in skilled courtiers is also a great way to save on gold, which I've found really handy and a great tip I've learned.

[@SnapStrategy]

Honestly never even thought about court chaplain as physician but makes perfect sense now you said it! thankyou! :)

[@runedrewsen]

And as a bonus can imprison and banish them (read: take their gold) if they do a bad treatment (◠‿◕)

[@nobledictator2906]

Frisia is nice for a tall game for the coast but for atleast one farmlands is good like sicily. sicily has one farmlands with all its counties being coastal and even have a unique building that boost Dev growth. some notables will also be tessolanika(I don't know how to spell), Baghdad, Barcelona and Paris capital.

[@SnapStrategy]

never tried Sicily tall but that does sound really good! ill have to check all of those out too thanks man

[@laszlobandi6456]

@@SnapStrategy with the normal 1066 start you gotta expand quick at first, the africans are quite strong until they lose a holy war. also you can't have the greeks take you as a vassal. with royal court it became easier, before that each king of Byzantine and Hre tried to take your lands. But now is harder to make the empire, while before the decision gave a tiny empire title, now is just a kingdom while still having 3 kingdoms within, so weird. there is a silver mine in Iglesias/Cagliari in the duchy of Sardinia, which is huge gold income. technically you can have Napoli or Palermo as a capital with the decision, but the best situated land is Capua, just between Rome and Napoli and it's also a duchy capital. Iglesias would be a better income, but I guess it's enough to have it with extra tax from the duchy building. With the items it's better to have your son have the duchy of Sicily which later can be the kingdom of Trinacra? So if you rotate a bit and push up palermo development, your sons can always control that while you have the rest. Kind of the smallest Empire that you can have. You can also give land to your brothers/uncles in Africa, rise to empire size then just let them go independent, you can have half of the peninsula as a tiny empire, as a vassal you have more gold, but as a king or empreror you have more renown, 1+1 maa, 1+1 more domain, a lot of fun stuff.

[@BlueSky-uf6oy]

Congrats on 3k subs! From humble beginnings comes a legend!

[@SnapStrategy]

Thankyou very much blue man i appreciate it! :)

[@Michael27275]

this is a pretty good video! you gotta make this into a series

[@SnapStrategy]

Thankyou! :) well ive done 1 more part for monday! just to wrap things up, but i got some cool ideas for future videos like this one!

[@Michael27275]

@@SnapStrategy oh hey, Np, canr wait for them~

[@turtleextra4128]

Having always "played tall" i find it really funny everybody is suddenly surprised the extra money givers actually give more money then just blindly invading every nation that touches your ever-increasing border

[@rez4958]

Don’t call me out like that

[@ImHomeMade1989]

Really fun to watch! (Ben-ev-o-lence and Te-ran-ee)

[@SnapStrategy]

Thnakyou! and yes im working on my pronunciation lol thankyou man

[@brucebanner5247]

20:00 "What are YOU looking at, Potter?"

[@SnapStrategy]

Honestly didnt even notice the resemblance lmao

[@boomerix]

Man playing tall seems quite interesting, I should try it. In my current game I just wanted to establish and then hold the Kingdom of Hungary without expanding. Unfortunately due to some chaotic Kingdom management (raiders, civil war after succession, war with Bavaria) I didn't really pay attention who I was marrying my 15 children off to. So by accident I ended up inheriting Livonia, parts of Sweden, a county in Crimea and some baronies in southern Italy. It's really messy and I don't really know what to do about it at the moment xD

[@kevinfox1671]

Oveco is always my go-to Steward, he has never let me down.

[@alexlepine3381]

You can get the lunatic trait to build the glass monument for extra gold.

[@kylearcenal4792]

Love to see this continue and probably want to see all the counties with high development and control.

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah i think 1 more part could get to ta point with a nice finish!

[@rhzyo]

When educating a child you are always better off getting a genius educate your child even if they don't have the "education trait" that your child has. Also the higher your bishops opinion of you the more money you get from his "holdings", also don't forget to upgrade your castle, cities & temples when you're able to, you get more money & other bonuses. 45 is the max age for females to have kids

[@SnapStrategy]

thankyou! yeah i wasnt fully sure on the genius vs the correct education! and ill have to work on all their opinion then thats all good to know thanks man! and yeah i got insanely lucky on that last child lol

[@rhzyo]

@@SnapStrategy yeah I saw that, I was typing tips as I was watching the video then 10mins later bam 45 and she had a boy, I'm playing a Welsh playthrough atm and Ive been lucky but also not so, my wife has genius and I've had 3 boys with genius so I need to hurry up and create a kingdom title, also if you ever create a char under the age of 16 make sure to search for a guardian with genius for yourself so far I've done it twice and gotten 4star education trait even without the guardian having the same.

[@SnapStrategy]

Damn 3 genius sons is a blessing and a curse lol, and thats a good point also as this same now im a child so will have to do that for sure! thanks rhyzo man

[@rhzyo]

@@SnapStrategy my wife got pregnant like a month before turning 46 in another playthrough so she was 46 when she had it lucky it was a girl

[@aonirsplayground6224]

"how old is she ..15..ok soon we can put her to use" - just ck things xD

[@SnapStrategy]

True lol, ck makes you say some crazy things

[@alexburns2487]

Sardinia is an excellent place to build tall with that gold mine

[@SnapStrategy]

Thanks for letting me know ill have to check there out too! :)

[@alexburns2487]

@@SnapStrategy honestly when I build tall the only time I really expand is when I’m trying to secure titles for my lesser sons so they don’t plot to kill my heir as often and to some extent I don’t experience my heir getting assassinated but I do get them killed by forgetting they’re still serving as a knight 😭

[@alexburns2487]

@@SnapStrategy I’ve sunk almost 2,500 hours on the game 😭 I don’t think there is a mod I’ve yet to try or gamestyle but I find that building tall is actually the smarter way because if your core is strong it doesn’t matter what exterior pressure is applied the core is strong enough to overcome that obstacle wether that be through might or gold either is fine

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah that's 100% true, like at least while playing tall you can kinda prepare for anything, sending strong vassals gifts to even keep them happy which is a lifesaver lol

[@arbikiuszelemelek3347]

@@alexburns2487 I know you said you played with pretty much every mod, but in case you haven't heard of 'Knight Manager' it can exclude your sons, dynasty, councilors and some other options that I now forgot, so that's a good way to not forget about your perfectly groomed heir only for him to perish in a battle

[@MrLocurito]

if im not mistaken theres a really big county in the bulgar kingdom that has 8 baronies inside, owning that only county and then castle baronies in there has to be the definition of tall

[@SnapStrategy]

Never heard of that! i will have to check that out though sounds insane!

[@MrLocurito]

@@SnapStrategy been looking a little and i think t's zatchlumia

[@SnapStrategy]

Longer video than usual! did not mean for it to end up this long at all was hoping to cut it down to 20 mins but just wasnt able to! Also check this out for more great music soundcloud.app.goo.gl/ipmib

[@alexanderthegreat7474]

Long video is not a negative thing mate! Lines up perfect with my lunch break. Ready to watch it 🧡👍

[@SnapStrategy]

Well thats good to hear man! wasnt sure how people were going to feel about a way longer video lol! appreciate it

[@skjoldar9622]

Well playing tall is extremely op. I can recommend you playing tall in Egypt. It's one of the most op places to play tall. And nice music starting at 2:19

[@SnapStrategy]

I’ll have to give that a go Thankyou! And yes! The best song 🥳

[@mac2857]

@@SnapStrategy try it with sinews of war

[@SnapStrategy]

Good point didnt think about trying it with that!

[@spoon5063]

This was honestly as fun as it was infuriating to watch, as I've tried Holland with my own created characters on Iron-man and in all 5-6 cases just got nuked by alliances or laughable heirs with terrible illnesses. Great video, guess I learned quite a bit. :)

[@jasonaarninkhof871]

Money and the Netherlands go great together

[@loth4015]

The best way to test if it's REALLY worth it, in my opinion, is playing with friends. It worked okay for me, but not that great. Scandinavia with no feudal system can be extremely strong and take over so much territory in the first 60 years or so that it's hard to keep up with real players as a guy who just plays tall. I managed to fend him off by being able to afford a shit load of mercenaries though.

[@sancheta]

You were finding secrets in a county next to the emperor's court xD. That's probably why you just find random people secrets.

[@akiamini4006]

Daaaam ! This was absolutely amazing ! 😃 im not good at map painting at all you know pulling off vassals with haste and get dunked on in the next decade!

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah when i get to wide i just lose control of all my vassals lol its a pain!

[@archsteel7]

My favorite region to play Tall in is Wales, but at some point I absolutely want to just play a Tall Tuscany and farm gold in Italy.

[@SnapStrategy]

Haven't actually tried wales as playing tall but that does sounds really fun! and yeah i think Tuscany could be an amazing spot for a tall game

[@stevqtalent]

early mistake to spend 2/3 of your money to make a diplomat your physician. give the post to your tutor, they'll get the physician trait quickly and become an even better tutor. or, if you have one, give it to your heir for the +3 scholarship and health boost.

[@arniepage1662]

I love playing tall as Normandy building a massive army then using a hook to become marshal then in the first or second crusade winning it and trying to form the outermer empire

[@arniepage1662]

Also those two unique building you can build in france capital are insane especially if you build the 3 other forts onto it

[@thelemonofgaming6303]

*Jots idea down.*@@arniepage1662

[@joewebb5141]

That first ruler looks like a steward of Gondor

[@TheIcenero]

What is that music at 23:35? I’ve heard it before but never found the name of the piece

[@Zombie1Boy]

Stewardship is nice. Building stuff is nice. But not as nice as spending 250 piety to get some free popebucks! Combined with all three and you'll be snowballing by the time your heir takes over

[@SnapStrategy]

Damn calling it popebucks from now on lol, easiest free money in the game

[@IronWolf123]

45:49 why does the King of Norway look like he is the henchman of Frankenfurter?

[@karollatocha3244]

Playing tall was OP in CK2 so I don't see a reason why wouldn't it be in CK3. You could get at least 20k troops and around 60-120 income from one duchy with all 12 demesne occupied

[@mortache]

Before they split up the 8 holding county Zachlumja, I did a single county viking run and raided across the Mediterrinean. Started as the Pecheneg titular kingdom and became Byzantine vassal just to be on his council while paying no taxes lol. The emperor tried imprisoning me many times, and his massive army starved to death in the hills before capturing me lol

[@maddahy]

That county was insane, but still the area is very viable for a powerbase, but rough to develop with all those mountains.

[@pedroeliasmaldini7397]

that's an excellent video. Please more long videos like this with op strategies !!

[@SnapStrategy]

Thankyou very much! and i will for sure!

[@KingAlton9403]

When you're playing tall like that you should invest heavily into strong men-at-arms,i.e., heavy Cavalry and heavy Infantry. This will make you extremely powerful and you can absolutely destroy armies. I suggest you split your Army into two. One being your siege army,i.e., some levies and your siege equipment and also a general with the siege engineer trait. This trait lowers the time for each siege phase, inturn speeding up sieges. Your second Army should be your Elite Army,i.e., all your men-at-arms and knights with your best General coupled with some levies as cannon fodder. But you do not want too much levees in their army as it will lower the quality. You should take out enough levies to where the Army is at least at high quality. You shouldn't have an army of just your men-at-arms and knights unless you have a lot of them, at least 2K to 3K. At that point your army will crush any other Army that is at most three times your size. This strategy is really good if you want to dominate your opponents and also feel perfectly fine when a country with a much larger Army attacks you because you know you can just destroy them.

[@jonathannorthcutt4132]

If you wanna a string MAA and are willing to create a character(even if they literally 0 in all stats) horse archers are by far the most OP of them all. Jurchen is an easy way to get it and you van even swap culture after you get 4 or 6 regiments to not have that different culture penalty. Though that is a tad gamey (also horse archers are skirmishers to every county can build an upgrade for them with the camps)

[@donkarnage6986]

It dosnt matter when your playing tall! you can go without m a a at all! you will get an insane number of Levies and you can buy mercenaries if you need speciel troops.. Its a vast of money to use on m a a when playing tall! why you need them?

[@laszlobandi6456]

each pair of rulers can modify contracts, like you and your liege and your sons, all you need is a hook on them, not even, as you can give levies for tax or special rights. if you increase levies, you are technically stronger in their eyes as powerful vassal is decided based on the contribution, while you pay almost no taxes. sure it can be a bit weird, but if you got an old ruler, you can have an older son on intrigue, so murdering your liege, modify contract, die, modify again, etc. if you got no liege, same goes with vassals, but also your steward can be your friend and might have a chance to push up low contracts, when you take more tax and less levies it might push up their levy contribution while keeping the tax high. this way you will have a lot less levies but more money, which might bait in neighbouring rulers into attacking you. the higher fort levels and levy reinforcement in architecht is super good on zerging, so just fighting them over and over on top of a castle or hills until they starve or lose. the best traits might be aggressive attacker and cautious leader, and your main terrain type like plains or mountains or whatever. those traits will take less deaths or kill more and while your score might not be the best at first but you regenerate quite some army and take a lot of gold for them attacking you. also prestige is coming fast from big fights, which normally you wouldn't get with no offensive wars, but the high prestige gives high opinion bonuses.

[@laszlobandi6456]

@@donkarnage6986 depends, if you got a small place near a mountain or ocean, it's decently defensible. if you reform the religion, you might get worse marriages at first but you can improve a lot of things with it. like control function instead the other two, since they take money to increase levies or give warrior priests, which are both useless, you can also make woman only priests, which makes easier to control the sinful priests (marry them away) and you can reduce or increase the sins, with lay clergy you can hold all domains directly and even take money from vassals for their sins. catholic is really bad, especially that some sins are good traits and some virtues are bad, it's much better with some tribal groups, and you can still get decent marriages with a different base religion. and the religious pillars can be changed, for example human sacrifice can earn piety and you can raid in feudal, giving 5 prisoners for granted if you hit a warscore. so you can still do wars while not taking territory.

[@InfernoStormy]

Yessss! Long video!

[@SnapStrategy]

Thanks man!

[@hyperthulean8649]

duchy of Thuringia has a mine in the county of Gottingen and it's op.

[@wellknownSWAG]

Played tall as a duchy title in Abassid at 867. Crusades never happened and I now decide what the Caliph does.

[@Tomoose736]

Stewardship is where it’s at. When I first started playing I kept trying to go with a martial focus, which was great for expansion but I was constantly dealing with uppity vassals rebelling. I tried learning for a bit too so I could reform faith early and get technology, that worked a bit better but money was always an issue so the first time a powerful enemy popped up or 2 strong enemies invaded simultaneously I would get dismantled. Now that I’m focusing stewardship it has been a LOT easier. My current game I started with Sardinia, which is a little OP because you can build a gold mine early on. Anyways I’m on my third ruler now, I have the Italian empire and just a few counties away from both Germania and Francia and about half way through Hispanics (by design, stupid partition laws), I’m pulling in almost 100 gold EVERY month, and I have barely had any rebellions. Probably because I’m making my vassals wealthy AF and I’m also the head of faith (who would have thought nudists were OP?). The main problem I’m dealing with is my vassals conquering TOO much land and creating succession issues, I’ve already had to grant independence to a few nations to avoid new empires popping up. Hell, I had two invasions going on at once in the France/Spain border and then the Byzantines invaded, what did I do? Let the Byzantines siege counties while I beat down the first two, reraised on the east side of the empire, spent all the gold I had on mercs and beat them into submission. In the amount of time it took me to beat back the Byzantines I had already earned back over 1,000 gold. Yeah, stewardship is broken.

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah i think the majority of people just pick martial when they first try ck, well i know i always did for ages and wondered why i never got anywhere, pick stewardship and you really can get away with anything, like you can make up for martial by just buying a stupid amount of mercs. I hope there's some updates to the lifestyle trees in the future to balance them out a bit more

[@d_bak4585]

Stewardship is just for the start though in a tall playstyle. Once your income is somewhat decent learning is so much better, only need to dip 3 points into stewardship for that development. In my 2nd tall game I hit 300k gold and max dev, innovations were maxed 80+ years before the last era unlocks

[@Tomoose736]

@@d_bak4585 yeah, there are definitely some useful things in learning, it’s not so great once you have an empire built up, you have religion reformed, and innovations are done. Once you get that big the real challenge is holding your empire together and outside of the scholar tree it doesn’t offer much. Stewardship is always useful, avaricious for income, administrator for some useful vassal perks, and architect for development. Diplomacy actually becomes pretty useful in that era too, since you can really only control your heirs lifestyle, the only times I have completely avoided a civil war upon succession was when my heir was a diplomat. I usually immediately switch them to something else after that. But outside of that, the best way to keep your realm together is to make sure your heir has a huge treasury to dip into for bribery and mercs. I haven’t really tried the tall play through though, I usually do the exact opposite and expand as much as possible without spreading too thin and causing an inheritance crisis.

[@nathowel6812]

I'd say best county for a new dynasty is thessalonica, not only is it farmlands but if you get that juicy mine the next county over, you have a stream of income straight away.

[@1992zorro]

What mod you're using for all those nice soundtracks?

[@skjoldar9622]

@JP They are all edited in afterwards. Some are in the description of the videos. This one has one song for example

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah there’s one in the description, rest are from epidemic sounds, in future I’ll make sure to note the songs I use and add them all in description.

[@tensorflow5777]

Lunatic trait and build glass monument is where it's at actually

[@ExtromniaStudios]

It’s interesting with crusader kings that I actually feel bad when bad things happen to family members.

[@sionjones1257]

Strange, I only have one genius option for marriage at the start, the 32 years old, doesn't seem to matter how many times I restart, it's always just the one

[@harribooth2210]

When he banished his knight the knights wife went from + 16 to +17

[@diemausdietastatur8738]

very interesting playthrough here. iam new into the game and have a hard time managing the traits with kids marrying the right persons etc. also i never have gold(I dont want to start with a big empire, it takes away the fun) :D so kinda lost u know

[@SnapStrategy]

I get you, i really think this playstyle could work for you, lets you learn to manage your court etc without much worry of another kingdom attacking you if you play under an empire

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

Snap strategy I always somewhat play tall ie I make sure I have 1 land area where I focus everything on, and develop them whenever I can while fighting weak stuff

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah honestly it seems like a pretty good strat

[@BruvvaUK]

I have had sooooo many saves in Holland, sadly I always get made emporer when all I wanna do is sit, make bank and have the occasional war to grow my kingdom.

[@MrTakvam]

Damn what a smooth ass run. Super impressed, I am not a gamer of your caliber.

[@SnapStrategy]

ngl im pretty terrible! its just playing tall is that op haha

[@perceptoshmegington3371]

As Haestein in Cordoba I was on 60g a month with 6 holdings lol

[@diabetic_dan97]

ah yes, back in the good ole days when legitimacy wasn't a thing

[@CaffeinatedIce]

Omg, imagine- building tall in Iceland and then just raiding the Irish piggyback when you need the moolah for something

[@SnapStrategy]

honestly tall iceland is deffo something i need to give a go

[@jdbb3gotskills]

I can’t wait until I’m this fast at the game lol I just started playing so I got some learning to do.

[@simoncodrington]

Ooo genius son at 45. What luck!

[@SnapStrategy]

thought i was doomed lol

[@lukelloyd8976]

I might be wrong, but I think post-Kingdom of Mann and the Isles decision allows for a massive development boost (albeit of Mann only) May be other decisions that allow for similar

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah i think its the Elevate isle of mann or something along those lines its called! didnt think of trying that for this but would be a great boost

[@brosef4154]

Yes. I get upset in the middle of conquering now. Wish I was just playing tall.

[@jonahthrane812]

I always get greedy and want more land and forget to build. I think next time I'll be king of Denmark, and then develop Denmark as much as I can.

[@Haeralin_]

You should try playing tall Bohemia, the amount of gold you can make is seriously bonkers.

[@SnapStrategy]

Heard a few people mention those, deffo something i need to try in the future!

[@thelemonofgaming6303]

@@SnapStrategy Yeah mate, Bohemia's proper busted for playing tall. You get a Gold Mine, as the other dude said you get House Seniority succession off the bat, you get some good farmland and forests, as well as mountains on the border for good defense. And most importantly of all, Bohemia is surrounded by mountains making it look like a valley of forests, farms and castles. Bohemia in CK3 is *the shit.*

[@ladranik2658]

Im pretty sure you can demand the council position if you have it in the contract, and choose the position for yourself

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah i worked that out, never had done that before lol

[@zajacztamas7]

Whenever you marry, you should instantly demand conversion from your spouse. You get a lot higher opinion from that, and it makes seducing them easier. Also, I'd suggest only building things that give you the most gold, since you can use them to hire men-at-arms, and levies are pretty useless if you don't have very many of them. Edit: Constantly inviting knights is pretty good for getting better councillors, and 150 prestige is quite worth it.

[@SnapStrategy]

Thankyou! and yeah thats something i need to start doing for sure man

[@perryschmidt5861]

When it comes to the schemes in court if you ever have one where someone valuable is very likely to die quickly check and see if they have any rivals, if so inprison them if you can, the murderer is almost always their rivals when dealing with the AI. If your mass breeding everyone in your court rivalries and schemes will be inevitable for you so always a good idea to train only a 1 or 2 people to be good at intrigue per generation to avoid high successes for these schemes in the future, now if you're spymaster want somebody dead it's going to happen as that's the name of the game but at least this tip will help you avoid everyone in your court go around killing one another left, right, and center.

[@lonyasbloodsong752]

Which mods do you use in this video? or just vanilla?

[@derekskelton4187]

I personally recommend not starting as part of an empire when playing tall. Explicitly because swearing fealty with low obligations will save you a generation or two of vassal contracts

[@corvus1374]

I took all of Sardinia, Corsica, Mallorca and Menorca, then went tall, and went up to 80 gold per month.

[@beaub152]

there's a decision for diligent that you increase development in exchange for stress

[@zephaniahgreenwell8151]

You were already in the learning tree. You could have taken "embrace celibacy".

[@wallywallendo]

Once I was playing in India and was making over 300 gold a month and made loads of cash from indulgences

[@k1pp225]

Underrated channel ngl

[@SnapStrategy]

Thankyou! Appreciate it

[@riotdrone]

one of my favorite things to do in ck3 is to take all of sardinia and just build it up to be the most developed and richest land in the world. and then spread my family throughout the world trying to get them into positions of power. you can be the most militarily and economically powerful in the world and only have a tiny island

[@sketchye5943]

This inspired me to also play tall as Holland but instead I grew too powerful and was elected to become HRE without trying and now instead I’m on my 2nd emperorship

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah thats for sure one of the issues with holland, like the security of being in the HRE is nice but you may have to make some enemies to stop being elected

[@nikolajokic8405]

What was your development in the end ? This was entertaining and different not going to lie .

[@SnapStrategy]

I think it got to around 40, so not to insane! and thankyou! :)

[@darksamurai6]

There is a mod (Farewell, Chaplain!) that give a descion to replace you court priest with 1 of 2 random npcs.

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah i wanted to do this vanilla, but i think i will use that in future ones its definitely a must have mod!

[@iGleeson]

You took Melancholic when the third option was free 🤦‍♂️😂

[@tomascinnsealeach9979]

Your family tree is looking more like a family hula hoop!

[@Leverquin]

how did you ask for position ? is that mod or what?

[@SnapStrategy]

This was all vanilla, but basically i changed my contract to have council rights so i can demand a position

[@laszlobandi6456]

you can convert your wife right away which is a decent opinion boost also be default there are the fertile ladies, but you can get infertile wives with even higher stats also you can just revoke the baronies and land your kids there for faster baby making. if they are generous they might give you some more money, and if they are gregarious they do feasts which is free stress reduction and relations. you should also choose the traits for your kids if you marry them. for your son and grandsons at least. if I can't get steward based genius, I get martial or learning, as the average of base stats affect his stats, so his childhood trait, and I usually like the bossy more than the pensive. usually diligent and greedy is the best, since your kids might get the opposite of each other and that's the best opposite pairing. one trait is for the education, one for the religion and one I guess random based on genetics then each kid gets one of those then the later ones decreased chances (still worth the stress to make them friends).

[@LemonSaber]

44:06 we need another genius to marry to my daughter, my nephew… perfect

[@TheMasterHashassin]

Where in wales you from?

[@SnapStrategy]

Cardiff way

[@nutridrink7737]

by 1200 you can have over 100k units if you do a proper tall build

[@SnapStrategy]

Yeah i honestly dont doubt it, deffo something i want to get better at

[@iansherman8752]

I have two primary tall strategies, I either go for just ireland, because a maxed-ish(reasonable) stewardship will let you control all counties, or I play vikings and adventure to bohemia because that duchy is busted