Most Guitar Cabs Have Problems...

[@torstenecke1170]

+1 for integrating these into MIKKO2

[@6oundStudio]

well, as true black metal players say: "No cab - no problem"

[@mlsoundlab]

So much of the overall tone in guitar is in the speaker cab so this is where you can make big changes FOR THE FUTURE!

[@mohitrahaman]

Fellow Milton Cleans enjoyers unite

[@OMEGAAMPWORKS]

Cool stuff Mikko. Just an FYI, the DV77 was not a speaker that was used in our NDSP plugin, but was instead our prototype VM12-65 and another prototype that was not released. This speaker was finalized after the plugin was already completed.

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you so much for correcting this bit of info! I always just assumed that since they were two different prototype speakers and you guys released two speakers..... but not I'm REALLY interested in what it actually was then. 😃

[@OMEGAAMPWORKS]

@@mlsoundlabwe will most likely be releasing a similar version to that speaker next year. For now we are 🤐. But we are really excited with the final product

[@mlsoundlab]

@@OMEGAAMPWORKS Can't wait to see what's up. 🙂

[@6oundStudio]

oh cool, I've said the same thing when the video dropped, because I remembered your comment on the other video

[@davidmultimedia2024]

Not only this innovation is incredible and might be a total game changer in the studio... but the use of the ML logo vertically to create a R for ''Reflex'' is BRILLIANT. As an experienced graphic designer myself, I'm super into that kind of stuff. Same thing with the ML Drums logo and the drum sticks.. you nailed it! I think it truly reinforces the brand ;)

[@AiiZStudio]

Yeah that R logo really got me haha

[@mlsoundlab]

Well thank you for noticing. 🙂 These are the things that I also love working on. Creating a logo that works super small and big is what I try to aim for - this leads to very simple designs and I'm sure other people have thought of very similar things in the past. There's only so many shapes that you'll recognize when they're tiny. The Reflex R was a funny one, when you turn our logo sideways you really don't have to do much. 😄 -Mikko

[@alrecks619]

Paul's dedication with guitar cabinet design is astounding, no wonder why Zilla cabs is one of the most popular custom cab makers right now.

[@mlsoundlab]

Paul = GOAT 🎉

[@MC-og5ss]

These are great in the mix. High Pass, Low Pass, bit of Soothe and your done. They speed-up my workflow. Thanks for that!

[@MC-og5ss]

Is a Reflex version of the "Traditional" on the horizon?

[@mlsoundlab]

@@MC-og5ss You mean... the Traditional Mesa 4x12 that I used for Neural DSP Nameless? 🤔

[@woodward_alan]

I had already purchased Mikko2... any hope these will be included as additional speakers in that plugin?

[@jimbo121]

I would hope that with how much the plugin cost that we would get it included.

[@franzmaurer7108]

+1

[@Banoffeeee]

@@franzmaurer7108 +1000

You immediately feel the naturalness and respite of the speaker! Another brand claimed to do the same but it was very difficult for me to appreciate that. I have to try it myself

[@kimseniorb]

I always thought it was your room as all of your IRs spike around 600hz. Great idea overall! congrats

[@mlsoundlab]

That's just how most 4x12s are :/

[@brettclarinmusic]

For those of us that invested in Mikko 1 and 2, I'd like to see this as an add on for Mikko 2...thanks.

[@mlsoundlab]

Good idea - we'll look into compatibility! 😉

[@TreyXanthean-c5h]

got them all, can't wait to try them out!!! Kiitos Mikko ja Kai!!!

[@mlsoundlab]

Kiitos kiitos! You know this is like Pokemon right? Gotta catch em all! 😆

[@TreyXanthean-c5h]

@@mlsoundlab 🤣

[@80s_kid]

It looks like good stuff but for a moment I thought we would get a Mikko 2 update, I think most people would be happy about that.

[@DoveSimon]

These sound fantastic! Any plans to incorporate them into Mikko2?

[@mlsoundlab]

Already so many people requesting this - will definitely have to think about it. That's where the visual graphs make things even more clear. 😊

[@kasakka]

Will these cabs become available in MIKKO 2 at some point?

[@mlsoundlab]

We're talking about it! -Kai

[@jackkosto]

Another +1 for Mikko 2 version :) great stuff!

[@0311campbelljk]

That Dip in frequency is simple physics of the rear baffling to the cab interacting with the movement of speaker. Scoop wont be as pronounced on slant cab and even forward vs rear mounted speakers

[@bundgensfrank1776]

Which plugin did you use for the tones at the Ende? Sounds killer!

[@wasoota]

Well, I wasn't sure if I was being snakeoiled but that's not what ML Sound Lab or Mikko would do so I took the plunge. They are impressive. Not only do they sound great, but after using them a bit I feel they are not as 'fussy' as many other IRs. Often IRs will be suitable for clean but boomy on leads and such. These you can just set and forget.

[@mlsoundlab]

That is fantastic news - very glad to hear you're enjoying them! -Kai

[@dfgvjnkjdsnbkjsbdvjkhdsb]

hey Mikko! what are all those 6 pedals in amped plugins are based on really?

[@mlsoundlab]

They are mostly custom designs that can pull off a variety of pedal sounds. 😊

[@JadeObidosXP]

Which one of these is recommended for classic rock or in the rock n roll era sounds?

[@mlsoundlab]

Green 90 would be the obvious choice to go for but honestly I don't believe in such a thing as a genre specific speaker. It's a little bit more nuanced than that and it may all come down to the high end bite of a specific speaker. Rumours say that the V30 design was trying to be a ceramic speaker that sounded like the Alnico Blue. So although people see V30 as modern it's actually a vintage voiced speaker as the name implies. 🙂

[@dfgvjnkjdsnbkjsbdvjkhdsb]

great! but how to make it stereo in Reaper? i make dub track L+R (2 tracks) under 1 bus folder. and want 1 Amped plugin on that folder. but it sounds only mono. what to do?

[@mlsoundlab]

Amped plugins can only accept a mono input signal, they aren't designed to be placed on a stereo channel. -Kai

[@dfgvjnkjdsnbkjsbdvjkhdsb]

@@mlsoundlab noooooooo! why?

[@MrTheog1989]

I'm still using your clark kent's step IR lol

[@mlsoundlab]

Wow even I don't have those anymore 😅

[@MrTheog1989]

@@mlsoundlab time to start up a bootleg business!

[@rux_99]

i just installed amped roots and its TANKING my cpu. on an empty project just adding the plugin makes it go 0-100. i have a good pc and no other plugin comes close to that problem. any way i can fix it?

[@mlsoundlab]

Hey - be sure to get the latest version of Roots just to be sure. It might be a compatibility issue that can be fixed so please contact [e-mail] for more help.

[@LoR2023]

Is it possible to load the reflex ir's in Mikko 2 free or do you need to own the full version? Thanks

[@mlsoundlab]

MIKKO2 isn't currently capable of loading IRs - it's something we may add in a future update, though I can't confirm this 100% -Kai

[@Bjornsguitarspecials]

this is awesome Mikko!

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you so much!! -Mikko 🙂

[@ayeapprove]

Can you showcase the Zilla cabinet maybe? Is it ported?

[@mlsoundlab]

You can likely see it in the background in some videos - it's the pink Zilla cab that looks like a big 2x12 although it's not.

[@steviesedge]

Hi Mikko, Are these able to be used in Fractal audio products? Thanks

[@Guitarest17]

You should be able to load them in like any other 3rd party IR. Make sure to select the right bit rate and sample size but if I remember correctly I think there is a fractal specific folder in the other ML packs I’ve bought.

[@mlsoundlab]

Just like Guitarest17 said there's a Fractal specific folder inside but even the main format is Fractal compatible. I believe you can simply drag-n-drop .wav IRs into the Axe-Edit these days.

[@steviesedge]

@@mlsoundlab thanks both

[@Rod_Records]

These are great, thank you

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you so much!!

[@greenlionaudio]

Just got the hallowe'en freebie!! Thanks Mr Miko!

[@cechichan]

Hey mate !! what audio interface do you have to play guitar and the plugins ? thank you !

[@mlsoundlab]

Honestly I use a few that are "just normal" so I have the same experience as most users. SSL, Focusrite, UA.. mostly the SSL 2+. 😊

[@cechichan]

​@@mlsoundlab Thank you really appreciate it !!

[@gonzalomartinezdevelasco7077]

Excuse me but I haven't found any info, do they include different mics and mixes like the old IRs packs?

[@mlsoundlab]

They do - it's a very familiar pack layout. 5 brightnesses for each mic, as well as the multi-mic mix files for more balanced-sounding IRs. Also all the usual formats for different modellers/IR loaders! -Kai

[@6oundStudio]

for what plugin did you do a DV77 btw? can't figure it out. Omega is certainly not it, because guys from Omega commented that the prototype of DV77 was created at the same time as the plugin and there was no way to get it in time to use in Omega plugin or something like that

[@mlsoundlab]

I was referring to the Neural DSP Omega plugin for which I did the cabinet section. That Omega cabinet clearly had two different prototype speakers in it with no names on them and it was a bit unclear what they were and there was some mystery behind it too because it was confidential information at the time. I'm not 100% sure if what I had was the final product but they released two speakers right after VM12-65 & DV-77. It's been years now so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

[@6oundStudio]

@@mlsoundlab according to Omega comment the speakers in their plugin are based on the VM12-65 that they had produced. and the MS-60 in the plugin was a prototype that they never released.

[@Comenterable]

do these work with mikko 1?

[@mlsoundlab]

Right now this is a .wav IR pack format. Based on how things go and demand... we need to make a MIKKO Reflex thingy. That's the official name!! 😂

[@Mr.DylanAndersen]

I’d love to see a reflex for eminence p50e and electro voice EVM-12L.

[@louisburley1597]

Kinda sad to see a lot of mean comments. I’m stoked for these because it means less EQ needs to be used in a full mix

[@mlsoundlab]

That's really the goal here. We don't post-EQ our guitars on our demos, but this should help those that instantly reach for a notched EQ to hit those problem areas that are inherent to a 4x12. -Kai

[@louisburley1597]

@@mlsoundlab *insert Glen Fricker comment here about guitar players*

[@Cpt_Adama]

If you want to talk about cabinets, you really should to Alex at Barefaced Audio. That guy makes very unique great sounding cabinets and is a master at design.

[@EpicJamTracks]

This is really helpful, thanks!

[@RÅNÇIÐ]

I'd love those new IRs as expension packs for MIKKO2.

[@mlsoundlab]

SO many requests for this already!!

[@nicopoppe4838]

Theres a YA dv77 ir pack... im feeling tempted... could you release a demo of a sm 57 cap edge position? Sadly I haven't used your irs in a while cos im getting better results with the concurrent... maybe you'll win me again. 😊

[@TheDjfranco100]

Great addition of the Divinity to the arsenal, I'm waiting for the Demon (yes, pun intended)

[@mlsoundlab]

Had an awful lot of requests for it over the years, we're stoked to be able to make it a reality! -Kai

[@pauliusmscichauskas558]

Why is having a frequency dip labeled a problem? If it sounds good, it is good.

[@mlsoundlab]

It's not the dip itself but something is causing that dip which is not a part of the speaker - most likely a phase issue of some sort. So it's similar to saying you're not having any "problem" when your sub and speakers are out of phase with each other. But when you get them in phase it makes a world of difference. I talked with Nolly about this quite some time ago and his theory was that it's a problem caused by the back of the cabinet reflecting sound waves back inside the cab to the front. IIRC for this reason he prefers miking up slanted top speakers to minimize this effect. It's definitely a real thing. ❤

[@louisburley1597]

Once you get into mixing it might make more sense.

[@pauliusmscichauskas558]

@@louisburley1597 The out of phase bass example was sufficient. Still, I never heard of anyone speak of this as a problem. Ever. With millions of recordings of real cabs done, that did not prevent anyone from sounding great... Still, if it can be done better, then sure, let's see.

[@guitars.nmetal]

Thats because the irs and miced up recordings are usually heavily eq:d in a mix. That being said you can get a good result from a regular ir if you dial in the amp right. But these are propably more mix ready.

[@_fifeusz]

The whining comments are hilarious. Nobody points a gun to your head, you don't have to buy these IRs. Honestly, it's way better to have more IRs to choose from than have 59th variation of a 5150 from another manufacturer (no offense to 5150 of course) which does the same 5150 thing as any other

[@mlsoundlab]

It's like going inside a restaurant to scream "I'M NOT HUNGRY AND EVEN IF I WAS I WOULD NOT EAT HERE!!". The internet is a fun place. 😂😂😂

[@Banoffeeee]

this is great will there be more of other type of model coming? Like something in Dumble realm or Vox

[@mlsoundlab]

Oh yes - this is just the start of the Reflex line. We're hoping to add all sorts of different speaker types from the collection into this product line! -Kai

[@Banoffeeee]

@@mlsoundlab you are the besttt!! cant wait for more updates...I would love to buy all reflex bundle but at this point Im waiting for a cab in some Dumble/fender ish and Vox tone...Keep up the good work :)

[@louderthangod]

Just because there’s a dip doesn’t mean it’s a problem. Guitars sound different from a saxophone or kazoo because unique harmonic pattern. Good vs bad is about how you use it musically and mostly a matter of taste. Totally flat response is not going to be universally better and will often sound much worse just like perfectly tuned vocals and quantized drums often sound lifeless and dull. Embrace the idiosyncrasies of our gear and work to find complimentary combinations not only with your gear but the full band and I think you’ll be happier with the end result and the process.

[@masterofreality230]

Yea, makes me wonder why there was no comparison to other IRs.

[@Hzuuuu]

You're missing the point. It doesn't mean much to a guitar player because it's made to be mix ready. It will sound boring to you when playing or jamming with them. These IRs are essentially a pre-mixed IR that you can drop into a full band mix without having to deal with all the hassles of doing tons of post EQs and corrections just for it to stay in the mix. As a player, you will not like this. Your mixing engineers and producers however will appreciate this. But we've been doing this manually by hand for decades so I don't see the need to spend $20 for each of these either.

[@louderthangod]

@@Hzuuuu One of the key features was more low end in these IR’s, that sounds like the opposite of “pre-mixed”. The sounds I dial in when jamming at home have more low end but for tracking I take out a lot of the deep bass which will just make mixing the bass harder with the overlap. Pre-mixed would be cleaned up at the low end and more detail midrange to help the guitar sit better in a full band mix. Also, it’s the idiosyncrasies of the guitar, amp, cab and mic that we love so much. Making everything flat response would remove that. A perfectly flat is not what it’s cracked up to be. Run some of your favorite sounding songs of all time through a spectrum analyzer, they won’t be flat. Getting a great balance doesn’t mean flat. Our ears don’t even hear frequencies equally at different frequencies. We are very sensitive to 3k so if you dialed that in to be flat with say 40hz the 3k will appear louder to us.

[@YsAbTones]

Please consider selling mikko 2 cabs separatly (not as a bundle), would love to grab the mikko 1 mega original but you dont sell it anynmore on you website

[@mlsoundlab]

No plans to split the MIKKO2 plugin into separate packs at this time, we appreciate you asking about it though 🙏 -Kai

[@YsAbTones]

@@mlsoundlab reaaly ? come on ! at least you could still sell the mikko one version ?

[@OldTomato44]

I'm not interested unless the Mega Djent ca-- oh, it is. Well then, take my money!

[@mlsoundlab]

Hahahhahaha 😂 I know you guys well enough!!

[@Futility1912]

Ok Mikko, I know you’ve done the capture process for these new speakers so that they work in MIKKO 2. Please take my money!!!

[@mlsoundlab]

😂😂😂😂 If there is demand then why not?

[@franzmaurer7108]

@@mlsoundlab Mikko, are these new IRs included in Mikko2 ?

[@SlyDeath]

Demo IR will be great for test

[@cmd_f5]

Great stuff \M/

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you! 🙏 -Kai

[@KreativeDevices]

🔥

[@mlsoundlab]

FIREEE!!

[@darwinsaye]

Based on the title, clicked on the video expecting a video about cabs. No cabs.

[@pjmtry7]

Killer!

[@mlsoundlab]

Call the cooooops!!

[@Francisco17Berrios]

Do a Randall Jaguar speaker pack pleaseeeee 😭😭 🙏🙏🙏 no one in the game has done it (except for Amplitube which as everyone knows their cabinets suck)

[@gonzalomartinezdevelasco7077]

Actually, there are two. Seacow cabs and ChopTones. Don't waste your money. I did.

[@IvanEinstein]

I believe ola made one.

[@DerSilvano]

Those problems are not problems. They are characteristics

[@mlsoundlab]

I mean kind of yes and that has always been a part of guitar cabs BUT the best guitar cabs have less of these things so I think that's where you could say they are problem areas. 😮

[@DerSilvano]

@@mlsoundlab yeah definitely

[@PaulEubanks]

Right. Bad characteristics, i.e. problems.

[@atech9020]

I'm not sold... Here's why. This is an IR only option that is supposedly of an actual speaker in a cabinet, from what is said. So why are the cabinets not available for sale? This sounds like an answer looking for a problem. I feel that a larger averaging algorithm could even out, and widen the response, with results just like this. Let me explain. When I am doing system measurements with an FFT system, often times, there can be so much variation in the frequency response that you can't humanly extrapolate the good, from the bad data. One way to minimize the " noise ", is to use a larger averaging setting, and reduce the number of bands that it measures from. This will create a smoother, more human digestible reading, which can be more easily understood and make a decision about. In this case, you have a frequency response that shows the " speaker impulse " more closely resembling the averaging slope used for Pink Noise. I.E. it falls pretty smoothly, and evenly from about 50hz up to 12khz. I find it hard to believe that the cabinet suddenly removes -6db from just the mid band, adds more bass in the low band, and doesn't touch the highs... Also keep in mind that since each speaker is different, the tuning of the cabinet must therefore also be different for each speaker, to achieve the same results. So, in this case, there is a 1 of 1 speaker cabinet that is only good for ML Sound Labs to utilize for its special impulse responses. I don't see the need to spend thousands of dollars for a special cabinet that is only good for 1 speaker. I am quite certain that a different algorithm can be done that achieves the same thing. Does this IR do a thing? Sure, it does. Was it actually created the way it is said it was? Maybe, but why would it need to be. I just don't see the problem I guess? We have been mic'ing cabs since the 50's at least, and I find it hard to believe that it took 70 years for the problem to only just come to this solution. There isn't a problem, only a solution that needs a problem to exist.

[@acrylicrecording]

This only makes sense if guitar speakers were designed to be super linear… which they’re not. They’re all just character differences

[@mlsoundlab]

It's not turning them into a perfectly flat signal - we're officially saying "fuller range, flatter response". It's smoothing out some of the humps and dips with traditional guitar cabinets, making it easier to slot into a mix. -Kai

[@PaulEubanks]

Shut up and take my money!

[@moonlight-reveals]

Didn't get why the mid range peaks and dips are called a "problem". It's not a problem, it's a character, that represents character of different cabs. Same as you have different frequency response from different guitars and amps. With the same success the most non-problematic tone will be an eq with hi- and low- pass, or a pure hifi speaker. But it would sound nothing like a good guitar tone. IMO this pack is solving a non-existing issue.

[@katbert100]

Shut up and take my money 😅

[@thememznvr3nd]

American Woshingo

[@josearjona3728]

So there´s a "problem" with cabinets and you sell the cure for that.

[@ayeapprove]

I don't know if it's a problem, but I'd call them mixready and that's the point I guess

[@ayeapprove]

I don't know if it's a problem, but I'd call them mixready and that's the point I guess

[@mlsoundlab]

Inherently, 4x12 cabinets are imperfect by design. Some people (including us) love them despite their imperfections, but we're challenging this with the Reflex cab design. Producers will often reach for a notch-style EQ to push these EQ curves into a flatter response, but our mantra has always been to get the guitar tones right at the source. This is a real cabinet that sounds balanced and smooth with no post-processing. -Kai

[@stevegardiner8473]

I haven't tried these Reflex IR's yet, but i do own some ML packs. What high and low cuts (general ballpark) would you recommend for high volume live use with your IR's?

[@mlsoundlab]

We would normally say not to do high and low cuts. If the FOH technician needs it, they'll add it. That said, 80Hz low cut and 10kHz high cut shouldn't harm anything if you feel the need for it. -Kai

[@stevegardiner8473]

@@mlsoundlab Thanks. I asked because I use a FRFR setup on stage, so of course, I'd have to apply any cuts for the outputs that feed that myself. I'd been using 80Hz and 8k, but I'll try it at 10k also 👍

[@DabooksofEli]

You always manage to catch me on pay day somehow 🤌🏽🤌🏽

[@mlsoundlab]

This is how we do it!! 😜