Class One Model Works- Depressed Flatcar, Erie Version

[@RonsTrainsNThings]

Im glad you noticed the twist. I had been staring at that a while.

[@dryheat6907]

Stephen--very thorough review, thanks. It was clear from my perspective via the video that that end of the car was warpped. Maybe a bad casting that got missed by QC? At a distance it might be easy to overlook but it seems that it is visible as soon as you get within a few feet of the car in any side view. I look forward to hearing how Class One makes it right.

[@tomoconnell4235]

I think you are trying to talk yourself into keeping an expensive car that shouldn’t have as many issues as your video clearly shows. I have been leery of pre-ordering from both Class One and Aurora Miniatures. I just don’t trust new model companies until they can prove their worthiness. It will be interesting to see how they respond to you and what the resolution is. I do want one of these cars and waited to see how they were and I am so glad I waited. Thank you for an honest review video

[@rockton160807]

I just heard profit plummet for a new company! these will be on a super sale in the near future, unfortunately as there is room for all these new products. good job on a honest review.

[@Grainexpress]

I had a Walthers 89’ piggyback flat that for some reason warped like crazy, metal plate and all. Never had it happen to all the other flats. Strange… I’ll have to check my C&EI car for this issue. Still love the car!

[@robbennett1965]

Well folks, I did see the CWM video on the "bent" car. They did contact me- there is another possible issue with the brake lines not going fully under the underframe cutouts. I did have a bit of this on the B end. I removed the plastic body from the metal underframe, did some bending and "de-twisting", reassmebled being sure to keep the brake lines inside where they belong. Now the car seems much better. I can see the bend and twist are no longer there- or not nearly as bad if they are. Still rolls smooth. I know- for the cost of the car we shouldn't have to do this. I agree, but sending it back would be kinda a PITA, and I did fix it.

[@robingagnon9659]

nice review , I really like that you go in depth with real prototype comparison instead of saying how many grabs there are and such :) Maybe you could find a picture of your 7265 model to compare it with. I saw 7268 on FallenFlag website and it is just flat without any nubs sticking out on the deck. Maybe not all cars had the same configuration depending on their purpose/industry being used on? Thanks for posting this video, it is really interesting :)

[@BSNFabricating]

It's definitely got a twist on that one end. As others have suggested, I'd use a heat gun to soften it and cool it down as soon as you get it straight.

[@brianconway4275]

Rob, for future reference, to establish if there is a twist, use a shorter version of what we cabinet makers call "winding sticks" to establish if a surface is flat. Take two equal sized in length, width and height sticks and lay them on the ends of the surface perpendicular to that surface and sight down the surface. You will be able to tell immediately if there is a twist and how bad it is. As to fixing the problem with your car, with a wood top, pull out a sharp handplane. With the car, heat it and apply weight on a dead flat surface???

[@Saltshaker2016]

Turn the car upside down on the tracks.

[@Saltshaker2016]

Never mind. Now I see the “do not hump” wheels will prohibit turning it over.

[@jeffwhite3679]

I had to check my car after watching your review. It was in the que for weathering and I hadn't done more then a cursory inspection. Sure enough the B end was higher then the A end and slightly twisted. It wasn't nearly as bad as your car. I gently bent it into place. I'll check it in a few days to see if it goes back to the way it was. I wouldn't try that on a car that was as out of spec as yours. I'm not going to trash CMW, they obviously can't inspect every car before they ship it. However it does appear there is an issue with these cars.

[@tvtoms]

That right end of the car deck looks warped at about 12:18 or so. Twisted a bit.

[@railroad9000]

Both ends are warped but one is far worse than the other plus the twist.

[@d-rail7271]

Definitely warped/twisted way more than it should be. Sad for something so expensive. I feel for the manufacturers but at the end of the day it's their product they're choosing to ship like that. It's super frustrating as a retailer being caught in the middle.

[@conrailfan6277]

That still is a nice car Rob, I agree with you though, for the money we spend now on engines and freight cars they should be ready out of the box!! Now you need to build a car shop and put your HO crews to work!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@pleiku887]

A guy on a discussion group said he spoke to the owner of Class One who said they are working on a solution.

[@Saltshaker2016]

@ 11:31 it appears very much that the right end of the car not only is running up toward the coupler but is also twisted.

[@warrenholmar1129]

It's funny the Bachmann N Scale car I have like this is similar. The frame is twisted on mine tho. On the end it says "no jacking pads"? Is that the lugs?

[@daviemaclean61]

It's definitely twisted, but, as you've said, is it all that noticeable when you're standing four or five feet away operating it. And, once you've added a load are you going to see it at all? It does roll nicely

[@jeffcoleman2671]

I found that I could remove the trucks and gently bend the unit back to proper appearance. I have two Conrails. No heat or tools required.

[@garthjunor3027]

Can you swap ends with the truucks and if so does that work better?

[@alandarch5162]

The car I have has the same problem I put some pressure on it and was able to bend the end down I bit the couplers are way off too yours rolls better than the one I have still a bit more fiddling with it

[@sparky107107]

have you ran the car on the layout for a bit? i just wondering how it tracks and holds the rails in a full consist. I did see the end , just wondering if a video shall follow. they do seem to be a better detailed model of such car, but with all the issues, I am very interested in your opinion as to buy a couple or not.

[@franks471]

weights/clamps and hot water to straighten?

[@thomream1888]

Rob, I've got an ATSF version and I didn't get the 'custom warp' job... for a second I thought I'd finally made the 'elite' model RR group! Has Class One contacted you yet? Wondering what they'll do for you - or to you!!! Thanks Rob. Stay well.

[@allenlandis4504]

Its Warped up at the end and that's twisted.

[@Madonsteamrailways]

What gauge is this? Is it H0, 0 or G-Scale?

[@Saltshaker2016]

This is HO.

[@robwillett7832]

That one end is def twisted slightly.

[@lawrencehaney5022]

Forgive me for asking, but what era are you modeling?

[@robbennett1965]

Apologies for late reply-playing catch up! I am modeling the "mid-1950s" -ish era. To be honest, whatever I want, as I do have some Reading RR MP15s, GP39-2s, and ALCo C630s, as well as some modern power since Steve works for the NS now. I tend to say 1957-1958, but I bend that a lot- I have steam power that would never rub couplers with a GP9, and a few cars that don't "belong" in this time period. But hey, it is a hobby, so I tend to run what I like! In fact, I also have NKP GP30s and a GP35, and am waiting for a BLI Stealth NYC GP35.😀

[@AndyCrawford_NorfolkWestern]

I have one of these cars, and a transformer, on preorder. I’ve waited to ,are payment because of these issues.

[@allenlandis4504]

warm warm the plastic up with a hair dryer and see if you can get the worpf out in the twist out

[@jeepguy51]

The body is metal only the deck is plastic

[@randydobson1863]

hello stephen it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks and super cool depressed flatcar, erie version cool thanks stephen good friends randy

[@johnedwards3598]

I can see that the “B” end of the car is warped.

[@johnedwards3598]

Maybe a little heat from heat gun would help.

[@pleiku887]

Class one just posted a diy fix which they say is quick and easy.

[@StephanWershoven]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIrTf2CnrN2GjrM Yes, it is twisted. also visible several other times in the video

[@ABB8696-k4m]

That end of the car is warped. For the price of these it would definitely be going back.

[@williamshanaman5098]

This car warp is not alone. In addition to this car warped at both ends the cars that Bachmann makes and the Eastern Scale Models kit have the same exact problem with the ends warping up. Hard to say what exactly causes this but it could be the cooling process out of the molds. Looking at the models with the trucks on the curves at the depression are off, not cast down flat enough. You car appears to have a cast metal frame. The other two I mentioned don’t. Your car is also twisted across the ends. Your trying to talk yourself into it and not blame the manufacturer. It’s wrong. Send it back.

[@peterl1416]

I have one car the couplers were high and had a lot of vertical play the simple fix was to change coupler with an overshank type and add a .01 shim to eliminate the play. On the other side give these guys a break its a tough job to hot metal cast the internal structure and then have the plastic skin fit snug. I was a design engineer for same type of construction. Sometimes the first run is not very good looking Peter

[@peterl1416]

William I did not intend to make this reply in your post I wanted to place it under the root reply Peter

[@peterl1416]

You may be correct as to taking the part out of the mold the may want to do a post heat soak to help the metal relax

[@adriengadson3544]

You have better get the box ready because that car would be going back. That thing is twisted all over the place. Then if you run it later on you will be cussing . This would be due to the coupler on the real bad end causing derailments.

[@paullindell]

The car it definitely wrapped. Heat gun or hot water my help.

[@skrypthobbies]

It's quite badly warped really. For the amount of money you've probably laid out for it, I'd consider getting a refund or replacement. Failing that you're going to have to try to remove the warp with hot water, a heat gun or something similar. Bummer. Hope it works out OK!

[@chty97a]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmOXqJhnd9Ksarssi=x1xNh4PlPMbPo70D here is the fix from Class One Model Works.

[@dougsscalemodels]

The quick and easy fix is to send it back for CMW to fix. If you're going to do small batch manufacturing then you need to understand customers want what they paid for not an overpriced kindergarten project.

[@robertlewis7237]

HAVE TWIST BODY IN YOUR CAR AS SEE THRROUGHT VIDEO

[@robertcornelius3514]

Pure junk. There is no quality control anymore.