Class vs Race with Glenn Greenwald

[@audience2]

It shouldn't be difficult. Hand out based on actual need not on race or other characteristics that aren't a reliable proxy for need.

[@coreyaruecker]

I've been called a racist by my peers for suggesting this unfortunately

[@TimBitts649]

Class is the big thing, not race. It's so obvious if you look at the data. -almost all wealth in the U.S. is owned by the top 20% money earners -of all that top 20% money, almost all of that is held by the top 1% -the bottom 50% of whites have less than 5% of national income -Obama's kids are going to do, just fine I'm just a Dan Conner type of guy, married to a Roseanne Barr...middle class white, barely holding on. White folks like me need to face reality: When it comes to economics, we have a lot more in common with average black folks, than we do with the tiny number of whites who have all the money. ...and we average whites have very little in common with President Obama, one rich dude...who lives in a very rich white neighborhood Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffet, between the 3 of them, they have more money than the bottom 50% of whites combined. The fact that I share their skin shade, means nothing. Doesn't help me out, one bit. The fact that most great and rich basketball players have a darker shade of skin, does nothing for the average black person. Focusing on race is just a distraction, from understanding how America really works. It's all about class, not race.

[@daivahataka]

But that requires actual effort to investigate the problem, why investigate when you can shoot from the hip and call all who question your shallow analysis "bigots!"/"nazis!"/etc... ? They claim to care but they don't even care enough to try understand the problem.😒

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

But race isn't the same thing as class. Some thing affect people specifically based on race, and not class. For example, putting in a job resume. Stop being a class reductionist.

[@jamesdodge7941]

@@coreyaruecker they are projecting

[@AL-io1bo]

My two closest work friends do not share my race but we all grew up in blue collar homes. I have much more in common with them than co-workers of my own race who grew up in wealthy families. It’s not even close in terms of relatability.

[@melsmithmel]

My Aunty is a sociologist and class plays a more significant factor than race especially in western societies. It's why it makes sense to you and your friends..it's authentic.

[@emileconstance5851]

Happy to see Greenwald on Coleman's podcast--great conversation (worth watching the full interview).

[@assievoncheeks8239]

just learned about your channel from watching "Franc Analysis". I look forward to exploring your content.

[@noedelman]

In New Zealand we have a similar relief fund, but you just have to show a certain loss of revenue over a certain amount of time. It worked well.

[@willisverynice]

But you forget that meritocracy is inherently white supremacist.

[@annsheridan12]

@@willisverynice not so! There are 13 nonwhite groups in the USA who have higher incomes than whites three of them are black West Indian Americans, Nigerian Americans, married black Americans, the rest are Asian Americans like Indian Americans Pakistani Americans, Thai Americans, Filipino Americans among Americans Vietnamese Americans etc.Whites are actually. third from the bottom in income in the United States

[@annsheridan12]

You do not have 50,000,000. Citizens with IQ below 83.

[@zrtgvbnjkop]

Thanks for wording this. It’s obvious to me but it’s good to finally hear it from another human.

[@theheebs100]

a BRILLIANT.conversation. i love what you have to say. keep speaking out

[@SpiderFromMars81]

Class has always been the root of inequality.

[@davruck1]

Race was made up to create class in America. White is a made up race and a default class. So is black. But the effects are real. Poor whites side with the establishment

[@shamikam3882]

I think we can all agree the best part of this clip is Coleman’s amazing shirt!

[@evedotcom]

The thought of you bringing up “latinx” to your Hispanic family hahaha

[@dashphonemail]

I'm meeting my Hispanic girlfriend's parents for the first time next weekend. I'm planning on telling them they're transphobic for saying Latino and Latina all these centuries

[@martinm6368]

@@dashphonemail I hope you've delivered it with up-talk and a bit of vocal fry. How did it go?

[@x0rn312]

10:00 If that's the strongest argument in favor of this it's pathetic -that isn't even a constitutional argument. As Glenn said this decision should have been unanimous and obvious.

[@purdysanchez]

Scary times when the federal government passes legislation that is obviously unconstitutional, and you don't get unanimous agreement amongst judges. It wasn't even a complicated case and yet one still decided to engage in activism rather than executing their duty to the United States.

[@peterhardie4151]

Be great to get Aldoph Reed or Toure Reed on your podcast.

[@emileconstance5851]

Has Coleman ever had Adolph Reed on his podcast? That would be a great conversation!

[@MrDanielfff777]

Who...

[@relaxingsounds1386]

@@MrDanielfff777 use google

[@CarlyonProduction]

Totally agree. I’m more in line with Reed politically, but think it would be a great discussion. Coleman, if your reading - this would be great!

[@emileconstance5851]

@@CarlyonProduction Likewise, I'm more in line w/ Reed as well, but I think it would be an interesting and informative exchange. Also, I'd be curious to see where they agree and disagree on a variety of issues.

[@2013lovemy]

Off topic, but I love Coleman’s shirt 😁

[@nobodyimportant5635]

"Latinx" is classic cultural hegemony.

[@Stumashedpotatoes]

Me and the gf just saw this man at a bar in the lower east side, but were too chicken to say hi 😬

[@ashm3697]

Identity politics is a progressive facade that allows dodgy political players to avoid talking about class

[@littlehandsgivescovfefe4837]

It’s the rich socially liberal, economically conservative dems response to, gay marriage bad, love my guns and my porch and abortion bad. It gets young whites, elderly and middle class blacks and Latinos to vote for corporate dems make policies that screw them over and occasionally throw in a bone here and there for lip service. It’s their answer to Nixon’s Republican southern strategy to get the white vote even while you fuck them.

[@stephenadams2397]

What if it wasn't a couple but a person who descended from both an oppressed and privileged class? Would the person need to be 51% or more descended from an oppressed group to go to the front of the line?

[@daivahataka]

I don't know, Warren is an American Indian after all...🤔🤣

[@MaskHysteria]

Every society is better served having competent "elites" - doctors, lawyers, professors, scientists that put the ideals of their profession first. When these same people are political ideologues society suffers.

[@phwbooth]

Carefully thought through.

[@jayxavier6930]

07:35 Please get a link to the majority decision...

[@shawntucker9283]

Just came here from another channel...glad I did and subscribed

[@godzillamegatron3590]

Latinx is a gender neutral noun to describe gay Latinos. It a English sword , not a Spanish word.

[@Grymyrk]

It's not an English word either.

[@godzillamegatron3590]

@@Grymyrk it is . The word was created in English. Latinx . X part violates Spanish grammar rules.

[@Grymyrk]

@@godzillamegatron3590 it violates English grammar rules too

[@godzillamegatron3590]

@@Grymyrk it doesn't. English is not a gender language.

[@medarby3066]

Both are correct in this thread.

[@mikealexander1935]

What I never have understood is why isn't Latin, the English word for Latino/Latina used instead of this Latinx? When I was a kid people used Latin to refer to people of Latin American ancestry (as well as Iberians and Italians).

[@dlwseattle]

the ppp was more a payout to the corporations and banks than a payout to the people.

[@starsine9062]

The quest for cosmic justice…..historical oppression argument is brilliant, as it requires grand design thinking, solutions and elevated importance of mediocre intellectuals/ bureaucrats. These arguments are Intended to make us feel good, and virtuous, with a veneer of respectability for the uninitiated in society.

[@mellowtron214]

It’s also telling that Indians are considered a historically marginalized community, even as they surpass pretty much every ethic/racial group in America on literally every metric. Better educated; longer life expectancy, killed by police less, incarcerated less, highest median income, more business ownership, etc etc etc… to throw literally the best off group in America in a mix with some of the worst off, based on nothing but their race, is so insane. Indians should literally be near the back of the line, native Americans, blacks, Latinos and whites should all be ahead of them. But the progressive stack, which values people on perceived racial oppression, or gender or sexual oppression, takes no consideration of the actual facts in the ground. Where lgbt people have higher income than heteros etc. Class is wholly ignored in favor of ahistorical readings of privilege and oppression, however real or imaginary.

[@elizabethh9305]

It’s ironic that Indians get priority over Afghanis, when Afghanis are statistically far more likely to be impoverished. This policy is ridiculous on many levels.

[@CarlyonProduction]

Agree completely.

[@kaderathebeekeeper22m3]

Here’s another interesting discussion on a similar topic; kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6C5oX6hermjgK8

[@knixie]

Let's also talk about how men couldn't get relief

[@scott8957]

class is the best metric obviously when you are giving money...to give money to those who have the least makes sense. however it is important to not go too far in that direction or you just fan the flames of further division along class lines. there is no silver bullet. as a society we need to zoom analysis in to the individual case and simultaneously zoom out to the societal implications and adjust as necessary. it's not complicated but it does require a kind of flexible thinking that is against our base nature as humans which usually leads towards myopic reductionism, hyper-focus on a single solution at the individual level OR a single solution at the societal level. the solutions need to be dynamic and changed when necessary.

[@scott8957]

There are many more "societies" and therefore levels to apply solutions than are normally considered by the commentary class (individual and federal). there is local, state, federal as well as individuals and their self-made communities. So I would argue for robust state rights, strong individual liberty, freedom of association and let people vote with their feet. I'm not against Federal government per se, but it should not be the only place for 'solution making' in society (because there are multiple 'societies' we all live in) - federal 'solutions' should have the least impact on my life. I like the idea of the further the government is away from me, the LESS say it has in my day to day life.

[@scott8957]

I view totalitarianism as a sliding scale of government involvement in people’s lives. Left being 0 (anarchy) right being 100 (what I imagine North Korea as). I do not mean political left and right as they can be on both sides of this scale. We, in the USA are on this scale of totalitarianism. Every society is. I believe to go far enough right on that sliding scale is bad, EVEN IF THE MOTIVES ARE GOOD. This problem, about how far right to go toward totalitarianism is an eternal problem and one that state rights can address to a degree as these we’ll intentioned moves to the totalitarian right - giving certain people preferential treatment, forcing people to acknowledge men are women, failure to protect the unborn, high taxes, strong anti gun laws can be put into place but I can move to a different state and live where the totalitarian scale is maybe a little more to the left. But we can all come together as Americans as long as the feds try to stay left on the scale. And hey, if the policies in the more totalitarian states are successful and are wanted by a super majority of all Americans then they can be considered at the federal level. This is a feature of our government, not a bug.

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

Race is the best metric.

[@AmScEn]

Wasn't Coleman running his lips against Reparations. Wait! He's Hispanic speaking for my family who is from the kilingfield of the south?

[@nayaleezy]

race is played out, character is the gold mine.

[@nyavogo]

It's not about race, it's about groups in control. I am stuck in Cambodia due to 3 Deep Vein Thromboses months before COVID, then got a fulI medical checkup to see if I should be allowed to fly, during the physical, I tested positive for HIV, which I still can't grasp where or how. I don't live an alternative lifestyle nor do any drugs, I don't even drink. I was in a car wreck 4 years ago while working in China where I needed a lot of blood transfusions, but anyway, due to the 3 blood clots, and with a new diagnosis of HIV, the doctors refused to let me fly in July of 2020. So I hunkered down and lived off of savings. As everyone was quickly beginning to feel the pinch, around last May 2020, you'd spot a Bugatti Veyron going down the road. Phnom Penh is roughly a little over a million people but feels much smaller. Then a few days later a Jaguar Sports Car is driving up and down the Riverside. Then a Ferrari. Then a Rolls Royce, then Porsche Special Editions, and a bunch of Lamborghinis. Many of them in ridiculous colors--there was a pink Lambo. A Rolls in that metallic pearlescence finish, the Jag Sportscar had after-market racing stripes that didn't match the car. Classic signs of the Chinese hillbilly rich as my fiance call them. What's odd is that everyone is going broke, and these cars start popping up. My wife didn't have to any digging the Chinese Boiler Rooms here in the city, which has always been around as rigged online gambling shops and phishing scam call centers--switched to UI/PUA money-getting operations. One of my fiancees' friends was dating one of the boiler room guys and out of the roughly dozen boiler rooms, each with between 2000-5000 staff generally handled between 15-20 "portfolios" of UI accounts. Then the Americans at the bars were complaining about not getting PUA, aggravated that these Chinese were completely raping the American people and nothing was being done. For whatever reason, there are a LOT of Agency types whether assigned here or use as a hub or something. One American IT teacher out of a job was so pissed at getting denied PUA, he somehow compiled all of the information and processes on how they pulled off this scam, the names of every employee in every boiler room office, but then either announced or had a meeting with someone, I'm unsure of that part, but he said you can have these files that show who and what amounts the criminals stole, it is $2,280,000,000 - almost 2.3 billion dollars. He then said to approve my PU or I throw this flash drive in the Mekong. A few days later he was found dead in the Mekong river. Most thought the CIA suicided himself, but who knows. The Department of Labor denied every teacher outside the US after the pandemic hit. Yet the DOL Did give money to: ---Peace Corpse ***VOLUNTEERS***, you know the trust fund kids with wealthy parents who can take two years off of life in their early-to-mid-twenties just to pad their Ivy League Grad school applications--UI and PUA may not mention overseas specifically anywhere, but it does repeat AMERICAN WORKERS a lot throughout the documents, and not once is volunteering mentioned. Why are wealthy people claiming PUA? If you volunteer for something, it means you are rich enough to not need money for this 2 year program. Yet someone connected wrote a letter to the DOL, and the DOL approved the Peace Corpse VOLUNTEERS, simply by providing an in-tun letter explaining how these poor rich kids weren't getting money, and they are still not getting money, but they are handing everyone a check, and the rich kids feel neglected. So that sets precedent, I believe. Almost every ESL/international school teacher denied was over the "location/availability to work" issue. But they still kept denying Americans teaching overseas. The DOL granted Cares Act PPP loans "That likely will not need to be repaid" to CHINESE-OWNED COMPANIES IN CHINA. They stopped this with Round 2 of funding but they were giving CHINESE COMPANIES while denying working teacher making very modest sums--the average foreign teacher here only earns $1200/month one of the "better" schools. In China and Korea, ESL teachers make maybe $2500, international school teachers, maybe add 80% to these salaries. ---illegal aliens get no-limit hath care --- Illegal aliens in California are going to be given cash from a Big Tech fund of some kind, and FB, Twiter, google have so far put $250 million into this fund, and they predict this fund to be in the billions shortly. This fund DONE one specifically because illegals were denied UI and PUA. But Big Tech never started an overseas ESL teachers' fund. ---Kids living at HOME, in America, in their parents' house, that were attending Community College PART-TIME got PUA. Some of those teachers have starved to death, let themselves get arrested for shoplifting just so they could get food in jail, which is very optimistic in Cambodia. A huge number of older teachers are dying because they can't afford their cheap meds, as in $5 a month meds, like heart pills, blood thinners, etc. They always report the deaths as old age if they are like 55 or older, but word speads fast around here. My English Department head, a typical mid-50's midwestern lady turned to prostitution. And this lady was as straight an arrow as they come. These aren't druggies or alcoholics spiraling downwards. Sadly they are all the type of people that if there was a helicopter evacuation, they would be the last ones to jump on after making sure everyone else was safe. They, like I, had too much faith in our government. If someone told you 2 years ago, that "Hey, in two years there will be hundreds of AMERICANS that either died of starvation because they 'weren't present and able to work (even though we were--if any of us got a job on a Friday, they have invented these magical things called "Aero-planes" that fly through the sky and can magically get to your home town by Monday. I guess that's what happens when you know the pandemic is coming yet you still have the 1934 references to livestock as a measure of determining type of businesses or contractors from companies.

[@pleasantturtle2799]

Interesting story about Cambodia, I have friends who are involved in criminal activity in Los Angeles and the amount of scammed funds from covid amongst people I personally know is in the millions. The technocrats felt another implosion of the system 2008 style coming up and flooded the Zone, hoping to induce inflation, but this will not stop the coming debt collapse.

[@danishdude6750]

When will they start to change French, Italian and German?

[@divinegon4671]

What shirt is that, Coleman? Brand?

[@kaliskunkog2255]

Race and class go hand in hand. There are always outliers. When you dealing with human behavior nothing is absolute. That's why probability and percentages are used in science studies. You want a big picture of the America's class system on a global level? Just look at the countries around the world by GDP. You will get the same snape shot of the racial and economical hierarchical difference in America's class system.

[@tteot1wph]

Money isn’t just a proxy for disadvantage, it is the actual measure of disadvantage. I can’t think of a racial issue that money couldn’t solve

[@kaderathebeekeeper22m3]

Here’s another interesting discussion on a similar topic; kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6C5oX6hermjgK8

[@billyblim1213]

Hello. My name is Billy Blim. I am a class reductionist.

[@SirBoden]

Using a vague classification like “race” only works in thought experiments. The results of classification based though experiments are not applicable in the real world. That’s not what though experiments are for. They are hyper simplified error-prone simulations. They may be fun brain games, much like checkers, but have almost no utility other than entertainment.

[@catsaresocute650]

Yes virtually any other messure then race would help in disaster relive.

[@omare7475]

It shouldn't take you 4 minutes to ask a question! keep your questions short and let your guests do the talking.

[@sherrodkahn]

It’s a conversation. Not an interview.

[@annsheridan12]

An escapee from NK said after graduating after 4 years at Columbia “ I got more out of reading “Animal Farm”than 4 years at Columbia.

[@adamgates1142]

I hope you meant Animal Farm lol

[@annsheridan12]

@@adamgates1142correct. 😂🤗

[@melsmithmel]

@@annsheridan12 Phew!

[@Revengex19999]

lmao get your money coleman! feed these cacs what they wanna hear

[@NoMirr0r]

Lmao. Fucking Jordan’s in your profile pic.

[@DFM761]

Wow. What a fuckin balcony!

[@IllyaLeonovMorganFreepony]

It is not the attainment of things which makes you strong, it is the struggle to attain them. This is true of individuals, peoples and nations. Do not strive to receive, but strive to earn.

[@taboowriter9229]

Wtf are you talking about

[@IllyaLeonovMorganFreepony]

@@taboowriter9229 Only that at the end of life you will measure yourself not by what you have purchased or what you have been given, but by what you have built.

[@bee509]

Glenn has a beautiful view 👀

[@zerphase]

The problem is bankers and politicians getting people to play sides against each other. There are crypto projects out there now a days that let you just transfer all of your money out of financial institutions and governments. Bet you'd see wealth grow for the poor this way.

[@TrishCanyon8]

Thank you Coleman.

[@MrDanielfff777]

Cool dog

[@bovinicide]

Glenn Greenwald sounds like a toned down Quentin Tarantino. By the way, Coleman, there is an inconsistency in how you spell Glenn's name in the description.

[@Pengalen]

It occurred to me that we already had the word Latin, that could be used, that probably did see some use before the more ethnic specifics gained popularity, though it was never as common as Hispanic, and it's only real use is to also include Brazilians.

[@daivahataka]

And wouldn't that be more true to the language as well as make more logical sense since it would be just dropping the gendered "o" or "a"? Not a Spanish speaker so could be way off on that though.

[@joebloggsgogglebox]

The solution is clear in my mind; you should only use race as a proxy for disadvantage if you have no more accurate method, and you should only use race as the basis for decisions if there is no other more relevant criteria. So in the case of deciding which restaurant owner who goes first in the queue A or B, you should first consider their economic situation, and any other relevant factors (ability to obtain help elsewhere), and only if there is no significant difference between those factors should you then use race as a criteria. Race should not be disregarded altogether, because it does have some explanatory power in determining disadvantage. Ideally we should have some formula that gives appropriate weight to different factors, but that may be asking too much of current administrative process. Really it comes down to conscientiousness on the part of the decision maker, or whoever codifies the rules.

[@cavhoki]

is that a dog or a polar bear behind glenn

[@G8rquest]

Class stratification along with generational 'gaps' and sub-cultural divisions provide boundaries which dark forces exploit in order to slice and dice to conquer. Hip new language as Trojan horse?

[@sunnyvegas2778]

first!

[@MrTee12]

Race and Class go hand in hand. Those without money focus more on Race. Those with money focus on Status/Money. Privilege only takes you so far. Money opens *almost* all doors. They tie in well together when Wealthy "classes" of people "decide" to do business deals with other ethnic groups. Look at the modern day segregated NYC (as a small sample). How often do you see Ethnic groups establish long-term business dealings with outside ethnic groups? Jews dealing with Italians or Arabs. Asians (Southern) doing dealings with Caribs. Africans doing dealings with Eastern Europeans. Race is always a thought (on the table). If the money is right...just maybe you'll see some intra-national dealings.

[@sunnyvegas2778]

"Race and Class go hand in hand" No they dont, you cant decide your race althogh you can move between classes, you arent connected to people by having the same race, maybe by culture..... but not by race...

[@MrTee12]

@@sunnyvegas2778 Just because Culture > Race. It doesn't negate the power of Race. Race is Polarizing...it divides us... unfortunately. This is proven historically... unfortunately most of us have not learned from it. Specifically in the USA, Each level of Class/Socioeconomics (historically) has equated to a specific race. Native Americans and African Americans have been on the very bottom (as a group) for the longest period of time.

[@sunnyvegas2778]

@@MrTee12 Race is irrelevant, 2 ppl of the "same race" (whatever that means) have no connection to each other socially if they live in separate cities living separate lives... All inequalities lie in the top 1% and everyone else, this has nothing to do with race....

[@MrTee12]

@@sunnyvegas2778 I really wish that was true. On an intimate/personal relationship level.. you're correct though. However, you cannot ignore the magnetism of "tribalism" that we all have. If you travel on vacation to a foreign country... people feel more comfortable if they are in an area with fellow nationals. The same can be said with almost anything (sports fans, tech geeks, music fans, etc). Race is at the top of this "tribalism" pole. You can study the segregation inside prisons...Race (seen through subgroups like religion/gangs) divides all.

[@sunnyvegas2778]

@@MrTee12 I agree that tribalism is a thing and ppl may be socially more comfortable around ppl who look like them, but those arent the main gears of society tho. And prison is LITERALLY the group of ppl who have the LEAST amount of influence in society. You interact with most ppl based upon what they do NOT what they look like....

[@tensortab8896]

"Equity" does not mean equal protection. That is the dogma of Progressivism.

[@tensortab8896]

@@MrWhiskeycricket More dogma.

[@emileconstance5851]

@@MrWhiskeycricket Clearly Tenor Tab has no idea what Progressives/Leftists believe. Does he understand the basic distinction between liberals and leftists?--it would seem not.

[@emileconstance5851]

@@MrWhiskeycricket Good points. I'd just add that in practice, liberals tend to identify w/ the Democratic Party, they tend to prioritize ID politics/cultural politics (over class politics), they tend to get "news" from sources like the NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, CNN, etc., while leftists are much more critical of the Dem Party and see it as deeply corrupted by corporate influences, they tend to prioritize economic issues and policies that address economic inequality, they're critical of the mainstream media outlets listed above and tend to look more to independent/left-leaning media. So yes, there is some overlap, but there are also clear distinctions between leftists and liberals.

[@emileconstance5851]

@@MrWhiskeycricket I'm simply using "liberal" as it's generally understood, at least in the US. You seem to be referring to classical liberalism, or a more historical and European usage. If you look, for example at how MLK used the term "liberal," or even it's use in popular song ("Love Me, I'm a Liberal), I think the way I'm using it is fairly standard and not particularly new. Again, in the UK and Europe, "liberal" still refers to classical liberalism, but in the US very few people would recognize your definition. Also, I don't think this "new" usage is destructive--it clarifies what "liberal media" and "liberal politicians" represent, which is something akin to corporatism and neoliberalism. In the US there is little distinction between liberalism and neoliberalism, and it's important to make this clear.

[@emileconstance5851]

@@MrWhiskeycricket Again, the clarification of the term "liberal" is not to obfuscate, but to clarify, and when I say clarify, I'm taking about how the word is used in common, everyday political parlance, not a dictionary definition. This distinction between "liberals" and "leftists" had to be made clearer largely because of the cleavage between the Left and liberals, which has become more pronounced since Clinton moved the Dem Party further right (becoming effectively a neoliberal/corporatist party), and more recently since Sanders' presidential runs, which made more explicit the distinctions between liberals and leftists. You do realize that language is not stable, and that the meaning of words changes, usually to reflect changes in the world to which language refers. You say that a liberal is, "anyone who is amenable to change--and that's a positive quality," and yet, ironically, you seem to not be very amenable to change at all (which would, by you own assessment, be a negative quality).

[@sherbear8286]

Historically oppressed? History should not be the determiner for oppression. Are you being oppressed right now? Then, ok, you get an advantage. Otherwise, forget it. Go to the back of the line.

[@kolob4697]

This is stupid...race is used as a social class component, we all agree that there are HISTORICALLY disadvantaged people victims of unjust laws. We need to be serious about correcting these or we will always have these issues with developing a real class consciousness due to no class soldiarity. We need a system of societal capital ownership and redefine for the new era how the economy which is essentially just an engine will produce outcomes which benefit everyone not just a few.

[@corporatesponsoredpeaceful187]

We have a choice between classic communism, or racial communism.

[@kevinboone2178]

What?

[@juanmanikings]

CRT is not communism is not even real leftist is neoliberal woke

[@corporatesponsoredpeaceful187]

@@juanmanikings If you're going to comment, at least have a clue.

[@juanmanikings]

@@corporatesponsoredpeaceful187 but it's true CRT it's not leftist i'm lefist and i'm agaisnt CRT just like many othe leftist like Adolph Reed BLM is not real marxist is a woke neo liberal movement

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

But we've always had the platitudinous Meritorious Communism, so you aren't against communism.

[@farlanghn]

Thanks for that Biden vote Coleman. What more can go wrong in the next 3.5 years…

[@convexstrategies]

You need to think in principles, dude. No proxy can justify injustice against one individual in favor of another. All govt welfare is theft - govt doesn't produce anything. You cannot steal from the public EVER! The fact that I'm suffering and disadvantaged, doesn't justify it. If there is actual oppression, there are laws to seek recourse.

[@emileconstance5851]

You know who doesn't produce anything? The superwealthy. It's labor who extracts natural resources, and it's labor who turns those resources into commodities. So maybe we should start compensating workers and not owners/CEOs who literally produce nothing. It's the owners/CEOs/shareholders who are stealing from workers.

[@johnm5211]

This conversation is absurd. That state has every right to balance the scale or nothing will change in this country. White supremacy is not going anywhere unless we actively and willfully disavow all areas and facets of inequality.

[@stillawake76]

So two wrongs make a right?

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

Comparing race and class is a false dichotomy, and anyone who wants to focus on class over race, is just a class reductionist. Both race and class privilege are a phenomenon in society, and it's just oppression Olympics for people who want to say which is more important or worse, and a non sequitur. But class is and has always been the major subject on the table, we've done very little to address race privilege.

[@MrTee12]

Class Privilege is what preceded Race Privilege when the first European Colonists began settlement here. (One could probably make an argument that there was Racial undertones to their attempted colonization of the Indigenous...but I'll digress). Moving forward, Class literally "afforded" Europeans the "Right" to live their best lives at the expense of all other non-Europeans (since Africans were considered subhuman and as entities). As as result, Europeans who profited greatly off of the free labor system aka Slavery...They had a Double Privilege as White and Wealthy (or Triple Privilege if they were Men). This, consequently, established an Advantage system of Race and Class (this is my response to your science question from my other post). You can easily Google and additional "science" that you need. Use Google Scholars or Microsoft Academia for additional Class and Race resources.

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

@@MrTee12 Race has always been a factor in society. There has been no point in the western world where a black man was equal to a white, regardless of "class". Race is class. Black people weren't treated how they were treated on the basis of class, they were treated how they were treated on the basis of race. The class structure you're talking about was between whites, and has nothing to do with black people; it's a red herring.

[@MrTee12]

@@JohnSmith-hs1hn Without a doubt. I get what your saying. You're referring to 2 separate worlds. Blacks do not exist in the traditional class system due to their race.

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

@@MrTee12 What I'm saying is that class and race are two different subjects, and one should not use the other as a cudgel to deflect from the other. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[@TheChadavis33]

Coleman your videos/podcasts are great. But I do have to say these thumbnails are really lame and cheesy. I get you’re playing the KZbin algorithm game, but it’s still disappointing and a little jarring. It would be as if Sam Harris was doing the same thing on his KZbin channel. You are above it.

[@danielmoody3640]

I'm not watching or listening because of Glenn. He is not articulate...

[@leronharrison1110]

Glenn, Coleman who hurt you and what did they do to hurt you? You two are carrying around some pain that you need to work out.

[@user-sf5xu3tf2e]

Neither class nor race are appropriate when deciding who needs economic assistance. Use facts, not fictitious social frameworks.

[@Theyareliarsandyoubelievedthem]

It’s putting lipstick on a pig, so to speak: or even worse if that sounds pejorative, it’s making superficial changes to a systemic and structural problem. That is, until you change the underlying problems, i,e. the system that is in place to purposely perpetuate this type of iniquity and inequality (which will only change with a massive shift in FIRST class, then racial and gendered politics following shortly if not in tandem with the necessary mutual recognition that we are a a class system first and foremost, and that the last 40 years of Republican/conservative and democratic/liberal politics and POLICIES have been precisely the same: gut the social welfare state that CREATED THE MIDDLE CLASS and PANDER to the “Cultural” politics that are intentionally vapid and devoid of substance, of any real material advances in the well being of the working class and lower class academics that have built this country from its buildings, infrastructure, ideas, and most importantly art? It’s been a sham for 40 years, at the very least, depending on how luck you’ve been. But they’re coming for us all, and soon. The pandemic, if not a deliberate sabotage, which I don’t [yet] (really) believe, but who knows as the days go by, is at least incidentally good in many ways, esp population control, and esp in undesirable countries, i,e, the global south/ third world if the woke fucking fascists of the left will let me say such a “pejorative “ yet still most befitting and realistic of a term to describe where my father’s family is from (Argentina) So the “woke” asleep liberal left needs to stop identifying as such and realize if not the best of them are centrists, the majority are neoliberals in plain clothes, and at worst neoconservatives in political policy dressed as the wolves they really are, no facade needed. Sadly with no idea that those are their politics; and pathetic enough to know and willingly pretend they’re not or, maybe worst of all if not just as bad, actually believe it, it’s a very hard sell. First political ramble on any social media site in a minute and probably the last for years. If you want to hear real political analysis, most recently on COVID crisis, the federal government’s weak policy response, socialism for the rich financial elite, and corporate welfare during unprecedented unemployment, evictions, homelessness, and overall (govt imposed) despair, you can follow me and my colleague Christian Parenti on Jacobin, although the article is a bit dated yet relevant as ever. Let me know if you love it (share it, we’d be eternally grateful) or hate it (and share why you hate it and we’d still be eternally grateful for the criticism). But if you’re working class, conservative or democrat or independent, I’m 85% sure you’ll agree with the analysis of our fucked, thoroughly captured political system. If not, I appreciate your optimism. Anyway, if you read this far check out these two articles. jacobinmag.com/2020/03/stock-market-recession-socialized-finance jacobinmag.com/2020/03/corporate-debt-crisis-coronavirus-financial-covid-19 And JUST IN CASE you are into the survival of the planet (or are, again skeptical of it, which is just as valid) this will Be of interest to you as well from August 2019: jacobinmag.com/2019/08/climate-crisis-northeast-extreme-weather

[@Theyareliarsandyoubelievedthem]

It’s putting lipstick on a pig, so to speak: or even worse if that sounds pejorative, it’s making superficial changes to a systemic and structural problem. That is, until you change the underlying problems, i,e. the system that is in place to purposely perpetuate this type of iniquity and inequality (which will only change with a massive shift in FIRST class, then racial and gendered politics following shortly if not in tandem with the necessary mutual recognition that we are a a class system first and foremost, and that the last 40 years of Republican/conservative and democratic/liberal politics and POLICIES have been precisely the same: gut the social welfare state that CREATED THE MIDDLE CLASS and PANDER to the “Cultural” politics that are intentionally vapid and devoid of substance, of any real material advances in the well being of the working class and lower class academics that have built this country from its buildings, infrastructure, ideas, and most importantly art? It’s been a sham for 40 years, at the very least, depending on how lucky you’ve been. But they’re coming for us all, and soon. The pandemic, if not a deliberate sabotage, which I don’t [yet] (really) believe, but who knows as the days go by, is at least incidentally good in many ways, esp population control, and esp in undesirable countries, i,e, the global south/ third world if the woke fucking fascists of the left will let me say such a “pejorative “ yet still most befitting and realistic of a term to describe where my father’s family is from (Argentina) So the “woke” asleep liberal left needs to stop identifying as such and realize if not the best of them are centrists, the majority are neoliberals in plain clothes, and at worst neoconservatives in political policy dressed as the wolves they really are, no facade needed. Sadly with no idea that those are their politics; and pathetic enough to know and willingly pretend they’re not or, maybe worst of all if not just as bad, actually believe it, it’s a very hard sell. First political ramble on any social media site in a minute and probably the last for years. If you want to hear real political analysis, most recently on COVID crisis, the federal government’s weak policy response, socialism for the rich financial elite, and corporate welfare during unprecedented unemployment, evictions, homelessness, and overall (govt imposed) despair, you can follow me and my colleague Christian Parenti on Jacobin, although the article is a bit dated yet relevant as ever. Let me know if you love it (share it, we’d be eternally grateful) or hate it (and share why you hate it and we’d still be eternally grateful for the criticism). But if you’re working class, conservative or democrat or independent, I’m 85% sure you’ll agree with the analysis of our fucked, thoroughly captured political system. If not, I appreciate your optimism. Anyway, if you read this far check out these two articles. jacobinmag.com/2020/03/stock-market-recession-socialized-finance jacobinmag.com/2020/03/corporate-debt-crisis-coronavirus-financial-covid-19 And JUST IN CASE you are into the survival of the planet (or are, again skeptical of it, which is just as valid) this will Be of interest to you as well from August 2019: jacobinmag.com/2019/08/climate-crisis-northeast-extreme-weather