The Problem with Elite Discourse on Racism with Glenn Greenwald

[@redman958]

I work in a blue collar environment. It's very diverse yet there are no political agendas of "diversity" or anything like that. It's relaxed. Everyone respects each other yet people feel free to talk and joke around without fear of being cancelled.

[@chesscomsupport8689]

In most environments there seems to be a negative correlation between "diversity" agendas and diversity

[@PP-vt9ug]

Redman . Same here! Im a white construction laborer.Who has mainly worked with Black and Latino construction workers.And in political debates on the jobsite, you rarely see words such as "Democrats" or " Republicans" used.The debates are non-partisan and about the actual issues. The debates tend to be about "what should be done" to solve a national problem.Instead of partisan point scoring

[@lolfemfaillol3933]

Same.

[@therainman7777]

Agreed, I have always said that the healthiest race relations I’ve ever experienced have been in environments where people were cracking jokes about each other’s race all the time- not in one direction only, which would be more like racial bullying, but in all directions, and between everyone. That idea is so counterintuitive to some people, but it’s absolutely true. It’s precisely when everyone is petrified to make a joke or say something “wrong” that you can tell race relations are tense, and that kind of environment is toxic for everyone involved.

[@iller3]

Hard to cancel people who are on the lowest echelons of society already

[@rmarinero]

He is completely right about Latinx, most people in Central America have never hear about it, but the ones who have hear of it, hate it.

[@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145]

Leftist wokeism is pure AIDS.... Well worse as I obviously believe. It only destroys and never creates anything.... Other than devolution.

[@knixie]

I know several Latino people and one person who uses the word latinx, that one person is a white woman

[@dionysianapollomarx]

Filipinos have heard of Filipinx. Even the Maoists hated it. Easy reason: these cultural innovators do little to no public consultation. They think people will understand and accept it. It's stupid.

[@baigandinel7956]

And of course they would. A group of people generally have the right to decide what to call themselves, and whatever that name is will probably not be grammatically inconsistent with their entire language...

[@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145]

@@dionysianapollomarx I asked my Filipina wife about that term and she looked at me as if I turned retarded all of a sudden.

[@harrysilverwater6419]

“The difference is between elites and everyone else”. True that!

[@LionHGH]

This is so true hadn't thought about it that way even though I know it's right

[@veir4666]

@@LionHGH Probably because the Elites (through the MSM, social media, etc.) have been working hard to make it a White vs. Black vs. Latino etc.---struggle instead of class struggle. It keeps the masses turning on each other instead of turning on them.

[@georgemichaelpetty5111]

Its why Glenn supported Trump, who is famously not an elitist.

[@co9971]

this is precisely what my friend and i were talking about . the activism is detached from reality and the sentiments of actual people in mass.

[@auroradias1989]

It also seems like most of the activists are con artists and grifter who would be out of a job of these problems were to get solved. Its like a new industrial complex of activism that has to create new wars in order to rake in cash and can never acknowledge progress because solutions are the end of their buisness.

[@adamdonovan4071]

@@auroradias1989 true. Once you realize activism IS a business a lot of other things fall into place.

[@lkae4]

Think of politicians and elites as WWE professional wrestlers. Then everything makes sense.

[@adamdonovan4071]

@@lkae4 I like that. Where is Rick Flair when you need him?

[@Carlos-fh8wk]

@@adamdonovan4071 woo !!!

[@nobhiker]

Its not a Greenwald interview without at least one dog in the back ground barking .

[@truthstarved]

Errr

[@srhodes6963]

So damn true..😂

[@meatwave1214]

The mans got 20 dogs running around his house, can we blame him lol I do kinda wish he had a more soundproof/dog proof location he could go for interviews though.

[@debless9]

North American upper class academia prescribing what the Spanish language ought to be. These are the same people who talk about decolonizing stuff.

[@Anton-fn5iz]

Brilliant observation!

[@cianoc8211]

Lads, this might come as a shock to you...but Spanish, Portuguese and French are every bit the colonizing languages in the Americas that English is. In fact Spanish and Portuguese are the apex predator languages of the Americas. I know you lads seem to think Mexicans and Brazilians - who mostly look every inch the descendants of the European colonizers of those regions, you lads do in the US and Canada do, are somehow not the bad guys you lads are...but you do hopefully realized Aztecs and Guaranis weren't speaking Spanish and Portuguese right!?

[@RosoMC]

@@truecanadian8254 I have yet to see the value of that field. Sincerly, formerly colonized person.

[@laurenbatson5918]

@@truecanadian8254 stop projecting your issues onto the right. The right is the side that throws out ideas based on ideas.

[@amoeboidtendencies5137]

It is the epitome of arrogance, presumption, and hey! Cultural appropriation too. The types that use Latinx don't even necessarily speak spanish.

[@soulfuzz368]

Greenwald is %100 correct here. He is also talking about himself a little too.

[@sunnyla2835]

Oh, I’m sure he is well aware of that! Coleman is also talking about himself, he even says that! That’s what makes this even more believable and welcome to us who are NOT elites!! We see it, and it’s wonderful and welcome, imo, to have honest, introspective elites who also acknowledge this!! Bravo Coleman and Glenn! Keep speaking truth to illegitimate power!

[@harrysilverwater6419]

“The primary division is class” True that!

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

There's no evidence of this.

[@harrysilverwater6419]

Yeah? How much do you earn?

[@cararector5831]

AMEN!!

[@harrysilverwater6419]

@Yongo Bazuk revolution is inevitable

[@pcraig1383]

And it always has been.

[@jamesthomas1628]

IMO, big corporations want to divert attention from their riches and power by focusing on boosting identity politics. When the races and sexes are battling the big corps are free to stay rich and get richer.

[@anneb889]

Exactly.

[@oliviastratton2169]

I also think it's for the same reason they promote higher minimum wages, more regulations, etc. Because it raises the barrier for entry into the market. For instance, I remember hearing about a weird packaging regulation for vegan products that required the label to take up a certain % of the packaging. It was clearly just meant to make vegan companies stop selling their products in that area and thus protect meat producers. Because changing national packaging just to sell to that one region wouldn't be worth it. Likewise, it's a lot easier for big companies to meet diversity quotas. It's easy for Google to head-hunt the best minority programmers & engineers in the world and make themselves look good. But it's a lot harder for a small LLC in the midwest.

[@pebblepod30]

U got it

[@fulanichild3138]

Who was it that said, "Race war they will win; class war they will not" ?

[@tranquillo2741]

Coleman and Glenn? This is exactly what I needed today. Thank you 🙏

[@sadpotato4931]

"Theyve got these rules and mores that are pretty much unknown to everyone outside of elite discourse" it's actually worse than that because those rules and mores are inforced by the notion that they're in service of the very people who dont know them/dont agree with them.

[@markpostgate2551]

I think there is an interesting and sinister cult-like element, because not being a member of any of those groups (and everyone is not a member of at least one of those groups; and most of us not a member of most of those groups) means "you don't get to decide" on some piece of morality or social ettiquette, and in practice even those who are members of those groups, if they decide wrongly, have their opinion discounted by being placed in some exception category as "colonized" or "self-loathing" or some other variant of "false consciousness", so this is all about undermining the believers confidence in their own ability to make moral decisions and therefore dependent on the equivalent of a priest caste - i.e. the academics and opinion journalists. Robin DiAngelo tells us that white people can't decide what is or isn't racist, and yet, despite being herself white, manages to publish two lucrative books on what is or isn't racist. Surely, if she believes her own contention, she should say on page one "I'm not qualified to write this book" and then leave all the other pages blank.

[@Flike245]

"A party member is required to have not only the right opinions, but the right instincts. Many of the beliefs and attitudes demanded of him are never plainly stated, and could not be stated without laying bare the contradictions inherent in Ingsoc. If he is a person naturally orthodox (in Newspeak a goodthinker), he will in all circumstance know, without taking thought, what is the true belief or the desirable emotion." -1984

[@5dollarshake263]

Every time I listen to Greenwald I find myself nodding in agreeance with everything he says.

[@angrypirate1094]

The word cleavage does not get used enough.

[@rosies3622]

haha!!

[@johnthegreat97]

2:35 interesting choice of hand signals

[@TimMcGuinessCom]

I like cleavage

[@jordansernik]

That's both sexist and transphobic to pre-op Trans women

[@corvuslight]

Prop 16 in California was labelled in such a way as to make you think it simply wanted to re-enact affirmative action, which it would. However, the way it would have done that is by overturning the civil rights laws that outlawed discrimination. Making discrimination legal is NOT how you get rid of racism. Also, by making discrimination legal, you open the door to legalized segregation as well. It should be noted that critical race theory specifically advocates for segregation and aims to raise race consciousness as well. All of this 'anti-racist' dogma, is in fact, racist. Unity is not a product of division.

[@johnstewart7025]

but how do you make up for past discrimination done to almost all black families through the mortgage system, the schools, social security etc.? Legal discrimination didn't become illegal until 50 years ago. Ghettos, followed by integration, left behind just the people too poor to get out.

[@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145]

@@johnstewart7025 you don't. Or rather you don't by punishing Whites and Asians and, to some extent, Hispanics. You start with clean slate and an apology. The amount of damage any compensation to the alleged victims of unprovable and unquantifiable "racism" to the whole of society would be perilous. And alot. Of introspection by the black community is required before that apology is given, in regards to their mores and chosen leaders.

[@wtice4632]

@@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145 excellent response. People are not responsible for whatever sins their ancestors may or may not have committed and likewise people are not entitled for what ever injuries their ancestors may or may not have suffered.

[@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145]

@@wtice4632 wurd!

[@deltadawn9160]

@@johnstewart7025 black Americans made some of the biggest gains in the shortest amount of time in history. It’s only when government decided to “help” that progress stalled. There is no one alive to today that owned a slave nor who was a slave. Welfare did to the black family what slavery , Jim Crow and segregation could never do - break the black family. When a true free market is allowed people are able to compete. You can be the biggest racist in the world but if a black man does better quality work at a lower price you will hire him. Minimum wage laws were placed to price black Americans out of the Market. So in my opinion government needs to stop “helping.” Affirmative action has been proven to not only place black Americans in schools they’re not qualified for leading to drop out but it also forces whites and Asians to score higher to be admitted in. Government can’t not lift another group up without disenfranchising another. The dirty secret of redlining is most of those people didn’t qualify for loans. The housing crash in 08 happened because government forced banks to Ap loans people were not qualified for- so when everyone stopped paying our economy crashed. Government bailed out the banks and it was the people left hurting . Low income housing has become a shit show because of leftist policy. Inner cities have become war zones because of leftist policy. Everything black Americans are dealing with now has nothing to do with slavery, racism or Jim Crow. Any social benefits the government provides is taken by force from one American and given to another. How do people think this is okay? I’m totally for charity, the private sector does it better with more transparency yet Americans continue to allow government to steal from them. Diversity hiring is scary. Do you want someone hired based on race or gender building your bridges? I’d prefer merit. The free market is the answer. If things are going to get better government needs to be limited. Everything the government sticks its nose in sucks - DMV, post office, public education. They pervert the free market.

[@fulanichild3138]

It's always such a relief when you've been sensing something for a long time and somebody finally comes out and articulates it for you!

[@you-tell-me000]

Great conversation Thank you

[@billyblim1213]

This conversation is so brilliant.

[@chuckbecker4983]

I hereby officially designate Coleman as a National Treasure. As he so clearly exposes his thought process, we are given a lesson on how to think. He and a few others are the antidote for what passes for "thinking" in the media and press.

[@benp4877]

It’s not often I agree wholeheartedly with Glenn, but he’s right on the money here. There’s a whole hell of a lot of us who are, like them, neither Trumpkins nor Wokesters. If that weren’t true you’d have President Elizabeth Warren right now (or frankly Trump 2 because she would have lost so badly).

[@seanearl]

Here, here- well said, Ben P.

[@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145]

Nice one at the end... We should only be so lucky to have DJT part deux. But watching him win bigley would've been worth it.

[@bmessier2]

@Ben P, Who do agree with "often" then? Greenwald is as objective as it gets.

[@seanearl]

@@bmessier2 ugh. Quit while you’re ahead.

[@bmessier2]

@@seanearl , Thinking about it, gotta leave on a high!

[@go2therock]

Love this conversation. It is illumination to reality. I feel like my kids have forgotten the wisdom we raised them with, a recognition of and respect for these differences in behavior among various culture, age, localities, etc. people groups. I don't have to condone nor categorically condemn others thoughts when I disagree with them. Maturity is essential.

[@sewfishy1]

Love Glenn Greenwald. I support him because he is awesome

[@sunnyla2835]

Thank you Coleman Hughes!

[@sdjohnston67]

Ordinary Americans aren't looking for reasons to be offended. They don't assume the very worst of other people. And they understand that good-natured poking fun at others (including themselves) is an important aspect of a resilient culture.

[@Tantasqua68]

Excellent points

[@jeffreyhill4705]

The group that by far believes most in their intellectual superiority, and at the same time fails to attempt to improve their intellect, are the journalists.

[@almond5560]

Greenwald is a journalist too, but I enjoy reading his stuff. I think it's a more specific problem of the new wave of activist journalistic philosophy and the (younger) journalists that subscribe to it.

[@jeffreyhill4705]

@@almond5560 A notable exception, and another reason to judge the individual and not the group, especially involuntary groups. People choose to be politicians and journalists.

[@SF-og3fq]

The dynamic at the bottom is competitive churn, at the top it's control.

[@concilium1]

Keep up the great work! Thanks.

[@christoffsimply3179]

Mad respect Mr Hughes. You're having some truly intelligent and honest conversations on important issues.

[@HeadstrongGirl]

This reminds me of Robin DiAngelo describing her fear at approaching a group of black people having a picnic. Her apprehension just seems to show someone who has no experience socializing with people who are from a different race or culture than she is, and then projecting her fears onto those of us who perfectly comfortable in diverse groups of people.

[@smkibler]

Two of my favorite people!

[@clee8019]

Unexpected interview. Happy to see Glenn talking to Coleman. Can’t wait to hear the whole thing. Side note: remember the incident years ago between Glenn and Sam Harris? Wonder if Coleman was aware of this, or even sought sams opinion regarding this interview lol.

[@robertdimaggio9086]

Agree 100%. Nicely done gentlemen! Throughout history its almost always been that way.

[@PatrickFerryCoach]

Glenn that was so awesome the way you said that thank you!!!

[@donnyboy2589]

Amen brother !

[@billyblim1213]

Like that shirt, Coleman.

[@badendhappy2903]

Great convo. Looking forward to the full one. :)

[@gennasommers8485]

Thanks as always for hosting intelligent practical important conversation that explore fine and super important distinctions

[@jeffreyhill4705]

Never underestimate a large corporation to ask government to impose a regulatory requirement on themselves that disproportionately impacts their smaller competitors.

[@matthewsteele84]

What a refreshing conversation. And the self awareness of these two men to admit their elite and their social circles have totally missed this gives me hope.

[@EGH181]

Well said

[@JanPBtest]

7:30 A funny aspect of this is how this is totally language-specific. It won't work in almost any other European language because almost all of them have grammatical gender. This means that out of the box some nouns are masculine and some are feminine and that's that. For example, in German "spoon" is a "she", "book" is an "it", "path" is a "he", etc. Similarly with all the Slavic and Romance languages. So e.g. in the French movie credits there will be either "Monteur" (editor, male) or "Monteuse" (editor, female), with German even more strict in the gender distinctions. So only English speakers can indulge in the sort of absurdity discussed in this video thanks to a language with a very unusual grammar.

[@lmiles169]

Coleman my friend, NAIL ON HEAD!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@KenjiMapes]

Glenn talked about how he noticed how “regular every day people” talked about politics, race, gender, etc issues privately or amazingly even at the office conflicts with how elites discuss it & how it is all portrayed in mainstream media. As a journalist he has been plugged into this discourse but only through the lens of the elites & media. He came to this epiphany after sitting down with his mother’s co-workers before she passed (RIP Mrs Greenwald). In many ways this notion or idea epitomizes the two “selves” people have - the virtuous one they present to co-workers, the public, etc versus the private one they let close friends & family see. We are all contradictory & hypocrites in many regards. One of the keys to life is to lessen the hypocrisy & contradiction in our lives. It will reduce the stress & discord you have in your mind but will serve you well professionally, personally, etc A great example would be ESPN’s Rachel Nichols incident. She is white & an ESPN NBA reporter. She is obviously not racist as the NBA is majority black. On air she portrayed herself as a huge social justice warrior & supporter of BLM. She personified the new “woke sports journalist.” Ironically her own camera picked up a private discussion of hers where she lamented the choice of a black female reporter getting picked over her for a segment. She made the bold claim that this other reporter got the gig because she is black. I don’t think she is racist or had any malice but was obviously scorned. The ethics & value judgements of this situation are beyond the scope of this reply. The point is Rachel Nichols contradicted herself by having her private actions conflict with her public persona. It is hard to do but mitigating that conflict will serve you well personally & professionally as I said. It takes self-awareness & work. She might not have even realized hat hypocrisy & contradiction. Anyway, this is one of my main problems. So many people are overtly judgmental & exude the trite virtuous social justice warrior ethos in public when you know they are flawed human beings & full of 💩. Look at Michael Avennati. He was so self-righteous & sanctimonious in his quest for fame attacking Trump. The leftist media ate it all up & fawned over him. I found him fake from the start. It turns out he was bilking his clients & was a total fraud. The media & elites are so far out of touch with the public. They gaslight & distract the public while they tell they propagate false narratives & flat out lies that hurt the public not the elites & the media. Like the “Defund the police” movement. The elites & media live in gated communities & have private security. It doesn’t affect them but they kept incessantly promulgating the false narratives of police brutality & systemic racism until many started to believe this madness. So politicians kowtowed to the mob & look where it brought us along with these new feckless activist DAs & judges who selectively enforce the law & coddle criminals. Crime is rampant & shootings & murders are out of control. Nonetheless, the insane left & their propaganda arm the media are blaming things like guns & the pandemic for the crime spike. Our culture & society are sick. The reasons for crime is due to a multitude of factors. We have a lot of cold, callous, & cruel individuals out there & we need to have law & order. Gun laws won’t help. We have to bring back the fundamentals like values, strong families & neighborhoods. Education & jobs are part of the solution and it is going to take a lot of work. Sadly there is not accountability for the elites or media who keep gaslighting & lying. They are part of the problem & somehow we need to hold the politicians & media accountable because they literally have blood on their hands.

[@ShimmyMD]

Well put

[@kenhiett5266]

"Elites" is a misnomer. Some end up with this label as a function of merit, but the vast majority attain this label as a function of attention seeking and greed. Attention seeking and greed that's a product of deeply held insecurities. Insecurities that were valid when we existed in small groups, lived in caves, and might not make it through winter if we didn't collect every resource possible. The human brain hasn't had nearly enough time to evolve as the modern world of abundance has been thrust upon us. Now these insecurities are a dysfunctional left over from much leaner times. If we ever manage to get past race, combating greed/decadence and attention seeking will be the next moral imperative.

[@kenhiett5266]

@@WinstonSmithGPT The majority of people elevated to Presidents and Prime Ministers demonstrate this explicitly. Imagine a system in which we nominate people who are truly deserving of such lofty positions. Neither Trump nor Biden would even be in the conversation in such a system.

[@iamgates7679]

Indeed, “Elites” is a misnomer - as you point out; if you only use the label to mean a function of merit then it doesn’t fit. However, It is also how this tribe of society is classified and so its a valid label that encompasses merit based achievement as well as all the insidious greedy attention seeking forms. I think you hit on a point that people sometimes overlook - for any of this to change for the better, our use of language has to also change :)

[@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590]

Awesome guest!

[@runreilly]

The problem is cowardice.

[@johnfiorentine968]

It's like Officers in a Wardroom and Crew on the Mess Deck.

[@wbaumschlager]

The upper class does not want you to talk about class.

[@ricodelavega4511]

it looks like Greenwald lives on the edge of the Amazon forest.

[@gerrywallington]

He does not

[@therainman7777]

@@gerrywallington I mean, he does live in Brazil.

[@michaeltudda2988]

Mr. Coleman is bad ass, and Glenn is killa.

[@deal2live]

Coleman, you are one of the elites!

[@oliviastratton2169]

Honestly it reminds me of weird aristocratic etiquette you read about in history books & historical novels. Where eating with the wrong spoon could be socially disastrous. Meanwhile, most people were just using one spoon per meal, like they had for centuries and still do today.

[@francoispicard8507]

C'est le grand tour des youtubeurs pour Glenn.

[@BassGoThump]

It’s good to see him get out. This is the most I have heard him speak these past weeks.

[@andrewlim9345]

Good conversation on the dangers of racialised politics.

[@orionsghost9511]

Class is king.

[@thereligionofrationality8257]

The inability to see outside of one's social bubble is a disqualifier for public service.

[@jrd33]

As a British person, I am very aware of class in this country. But whenever I speak to Americans about class, they always say that America is a classless society. I always find that funny. I guess you see things differently from the outside...

[@muskodine]

I generally find your arguments biased. But in this vid, you're spot on. Hollyweird's experience is not the Country's lived experience.

[@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu]

I am happy glenn is a leftist I can be proud of.

[@gazlives]

He has his moments but he’s also a bit of a c##t sometimes too like the years he spent smearing and lying about Sam Harris.

[@rifrafbarker]

@@gazlives yeah. I disagree w him on Israel and Harris, but damn is he scorched earth on the deep state and wokeness…

[@emileconstance5851]

@anacpdrummer92 Good to keep in mind there are a lot of us on the left who are aligned w/ Glenn--probably the majority, because mainstream liberals aren't really left, they're neolibs.

[@beavisjohnson7717]

He’s not a leftist. He’s a moderate democrat

[@emileconstance5851]

@@beavisjohnson7717 I'm guessing that was ironic given that he can't stand the Democrats.

[@Finn-yd3iw]

Yep,when i see what we say to each other at work and what i hear the elites and there hangarounds think we should be able to say,i just shake my head

[@blehbleheh]

I swear, amplifying people like Coleman Hughes may be our only hope of pulling America back from the brink of a second civil war.

[@maltefiebig9673]

You know you're part of the elite when you use the word cleavage to mean gap.

[@AJD09FB]

What if you use it in that sense, but then titter to yourself afterwards? Asking for a friend.

[@mrbattowel]

Wouldn't critiquing that usage put you in an even more elite segment of the elite? (and what does that make ME?!??)

[@maltefiebig9673]

@@AJD09FB That puts you squarely amongst the plebians.

[@iggyreilly2463]

You're certainly abreast of the elite/plebian rhetorical divide!

[@thomasreaves588]

@@iggyreilly2463 Only a complete boob would try to use a pun like that! LOL😉

[@tysonclarke012]

I watched game 1 of the NBA finals at a bar owned by an Asian dude. He was giving all us white guys shit, on specifically racist white dude shit. Calling us "round eye" and that kind of stuff. It was honestly, so nice. I had so much fun. It reminded me of growing up in a multi racial environment, where we all gave each other shit - and had fun together. I now live in a really white area, so I don't get that much anymore. I really miss it.

[@MaskHysteria]

I would consider Glenn Greenwald and Coleman Hughes part of "the elite". However, this conversation is one of the only conversations I've witnessed where two "elites" are critiquing their own world and the world view of other "elites". The conversation also lacks the, typical, arrogant, elite sentiment of "how to get the plebes to be like us" and, instead, takes a more humble approach by focusing on the source of the, ever widening, disconnect between elite and non-elite. Very refreshing.

[@MrMatt-qs2ck]

This conversation was brilliant! I had no idea about affirmative action (Prop 16) being shot down in November by California's citizens. Very eye opening and inspiring!

[@crayola8skies]

I often see people conflating class with money - there are plenty of low-income people engaging in “elite” discourse and plenty of rich who are grounded & in-touch.

[@koalanectar9382]

Killing it with guests lately Coleman (although kind of always are)

[@adamnoble1689]

That is a dope shirt Coleman!

[@nicolamcostello]

I would make a distinction between elites and elitists. I have no problem with elites. They are super talented and accomplished. God bless them. They should be celebrated. It's "elitists", on the other hand, who think because they are elite in their field that they ALSO have the right to rule over others for their own self-interest is what I have a problem with.

[@88wildcat]

The only criticism I would have with that is that a lot of the elitists aren't actually elite in their field, they just think they are. All you have to do is watch the media for fifteen minutes to see how common this is.

[@presidentresident]

'Liked' before the first ad even ended

[@Kurtlane]

How did we get this way? The US used to be dominated by enormous middle class, which subsumed both the rich and the poor. The British who came here were amazed to see how little class-separating cliches mattered, how one could call one's boss by the first name, etc. The words "elite" and "elitism" barely existed.

[@LionHGH]

I'm glad Greenwald is waking up

[@robbiee.6921]

I need the full episode

[@kennethyoung2221]

Coleman knows he is elite. That is why he does not want non-elites to understand Charles Murray's scholarship. Coleman wants it suppressed.

[@MrPabloJoven]

There are people who believe in The Enlightenment and those who fight against it. That's the division that matters.

[@saxet812004]

Glenn is an honest Liberal and true Patriot. I'm Mexican, my partner is Jewish, as is my child. And my parents are Mexican immigrants...I voted for Trump in 2020!!!

[@heatherwhitehead3743]

Yeah it's called class. Money defines people more than race.

[@jrd33]

Class has little to do with money.

[@heatherwhitehead3743]

Money has little to do with value.

[@billaddison82]

Where does Glenn live? Inside of Parque Lages? lol

[@janinedalbey2448]

Coleman you should have Michael malice on. It would be lit

[@cowabungadude7408]

Given that Coleman fashions himself a new TCW or Sam Harris, he would do well to consider criticisms of elite sentimentality.

[@adamnoble1689]

TCW?

[@nequals151]

@@adamnoble1689 I'm gonna guess Thomas Chatterton Williams

[@JaredCzaia]

What do you think Coleman could gain from that? Is there some bit of, for lack of a better word, populist wisdom that his thinking lacks?

[@adamnoble1689]

@@nequals151 oh thanks!

[@PS-qn4oz]

This was confusing. I am not used to thinking of intellectuals as "elites." I consider billionaires elite. It has a negative connotation for me. I definitely do not consider graduates from elite schools automatically elite. What are the criteria exactly...being wealthy and moderately smart? Famous?

[@MsChitterchat]

I guess ‘elites’ has come to mean the wealthier middle class - is that upper middle class in the States? They say metropolitan elite which I understand to be reasonably well off city people in professional jobs. And then there’s the billionaires and academic elites too.

[@sarahg5108]

@@MsChitterchat It’s more about culture than money I think. Professionals, despite being in a radically different income group than the truly rich, think about the world in a way that is much more similar to elites than to everyone else. In America our middle class (which are the professionals) is relatively new compared to Europe so it’s really hard for them to understand themselves that way. They think they are in the same class as anyone with a similar income, but class isn’t just about how much money you make. The Baby Boomers we’re really the first big middle class in the US whereas the middle classes in Europe have been around for a few hundred years. In the UK, for example, the middle class is well understood to be the professionals. So, someone that is a plumber may make the same amount of money (or more) than a college professor, but they are still considered working class while the professor is considered middle class. And the middle class is quite explicit in their distaste for the “uneducated”. It’s pretty shocking. This attitude is now being cultivated in our own professionals in America, who of course don’t see it that way because they believe their viewpoint is “natural” (i.e., the way the world really is”). It’s hard for them to understand that they are just the same as everyone else, not special in anyway at all, and that just because you work hard at something it doesn’t mean your doing something good. In other words, their privilege is morally unjustified, meritocracy is a scam, and other people are getting screwed so they can be economically secure. They don’t want to deal with it and that’s why they are all freaking out right now.

[@PS-qn4oz]

@@MsChitterchat I think the upper middle class is not considered elite. Nor is the upper class. In this context I think they were referring to people widely-acknowledged as authorities on a given topic, who are also connected to power centers such as the government, press, universities, Old Money, etc.

[@EmmanuelGoldstein3]

One of the many astute observations that Orwell made was that, unlike other exploitative political system, socialism put much tighter controls on the aristocracy than on the common people. In fact, the higher up the ladder you got, the less personal autonomy you had, and the more dangerous it became to not conform to the party line. In 1984, the proles were pretty much free to do whatever they wanted. They had a miserable existence, but at least they had a modicum of personal sovereignty, and freedom from constant surveillance, something that Winston Smith finds very enticing. But even the level of surveillance that Winston has to deal with is minor compared to what the Inner Party people are subject to. There's a similar thing going on with us, where the elites are obligated to always be thinking (and to have always thought) the most recently correct thoughts, but the working class Joe's aren't important or dangerous enough to be muzzled, unless they join some kind of political movement. Consequently, the working class crowd is much more "real" than the elite class is. The largely good-natured sparring between the different groups that Greenwald describes reminds me of the experiences of the various immigrant groups from a century ago. They were all pretty much constantly putting each other down. Didn't stop them from marrying each other. This is how the melting pot works.

[@sdrc92126]

Those who sought to divide the United States along lines of race, religion, and class could be “encountered in Wall Street, Main Street, or Tobacco Road.” - Henry Wallace

[@rustyjohnson5018]

Arnold Schwarzenegger was Governor of California as late as 2011. While California has voted Democrat in presidential elections as a rule, California has a peculiar political landscape, I never place bets on which way a vote will go.

[@kenwahler3277]

yeah, I figured that part out a long time ago. What I cant figure out though is why politicians dont use it to their advantage, why are they trying to please the so called "elites" so much? They could win elections by talking as the people do.

[@ForeverYoungKickboxer]

It's about the money.

[@lithwilson4379]

@Danny Timms Yes Trump did drive elites crazy....But the rest of us? He just never was that popular. He never sounded like he was talking just like normal folks talk to me. And why should he have, he never lived a life that was remotely similar to 99% of the country. He was born with a golden spoon and tried to convince everyone that he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps. Michael Moore was right about one thing, Donald Trump was the elite hating Americans holding up their middle finger. The 2016 election was the contest of two candidates almost equally despised by a majority of the populace.

[@lastraven7205]

@@lithwilson4379 You're wrong. Lots of normal people liked him. It depends on where you are I guess. If you live in California or New York I bet most wouldn't like him, but in a place like Florida or Texas it's different. He'll, even in most blue states, outside of the major cities most liked him.

[@bee509]

Politicians are elites

[@FREEDMEN]

We at Be The Power would love to engage Coleman Hughes in a dialog. Who do we contact?

[@LohsenFamily]

The division is also between people of faith who must follow God's rules and the secularists and relativists who make up new rules every day. A person of faith knows each person has inherent value by virtue of being a child of God, made in His image and likeness. That is the only box worth checking and the only identity worth cultivating.

[@complexphenom402]

when full tape on youtube ser?

[@keneloc]

What makes these geeks elite?! It’s always funny to hear someone regular describing themselves as “elite” lol.

[@oliverkarp7572]

Just can't get over the -visited my working class mom in her working class office - part. Don't disagree with the overall point but wtf who has a compound and an elderly mother that still has to go to work?

[@teamtomahawk5901]

I think its pretty simple. Smart people use fancy language which normal people don't want to spend time trying to figure out. They've got rent and bills to pay and kids to raise. More importantly, the use of fancy language is not necessary to accomplishing those fundamental responsibilities. Whereas, it is incumbent on smart people to sound smart. That's how they pay their rent. It's really about mortgages and groceries.

[@littlerichardthetruekingof1028]

@@WinstonSmithGPT yea Michael Kind has pointed this out they change the rules regularly so they can stay in control.

[@teamtomahawk5901]

@@WinstonSmithGPT I see your point. Nonetheless, the "elite", as they say here, are pretty constrained in my opinion. By that I mean, when they write and speak they have to sound elite. Which of course forces them to constantly prove their bona fides through verbal gymnastics. Nobody gives a rip how big a plumber's vocabulary is, they just want him to make the poop go away. The plumber's got it better.

[@teamtomahawk5901]

@@WinstonSmithGPT that's a good one. Thomas Sowell talks a lot about the intellectual art of turning turds into potpourri. But it's not fair because he's smarter than every other person. That's why you don't see him on the networks. He suffers no fools.

[@knixie]

At is all class at the end

[@JonFrumTheFirst]

A survey was done one LatinX. Of Hispanic people who were asked what term they choose for themselves, the most - 42% - went with Hispanic. 2% chose LatinX - the least of any.

[@nikhtose]

Nicole Hannah-Jones' CRT ruling-class grift is going gang-busters. Tenure is the least compensation she can expect.

[@rwatertree]

Coleman should talk to Malcom Kyeyune.

[@Sojourner24_7]

Jokes are affectionate teasing, you only affectionately tease people that you like.

[@hank1938]

What a location Glenn Greenwald is in. Wow.

[@gaulindidier5995]

Sadly, the scenery outside my window is very far from being the Amazonian jungle.

[@BenMJay]

It is all about power and control. Keep the populace at odds divided while they plunder American citizens wealth.