CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO | Logopolis - Part 1 | REACTION

[@MarieClaresWorld]

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[@johnreid5676]

Tho visitation first story written by Eric Saward who’d go in to write 5 1/2 more stories over the next 4 years be script editor, as Catrovalva/ kinda were filmed after this and with four to Doomsday shorn before it, he script edited them would go on script edit the following 28 stories a very important writer who quit in a ceremoniously , but you’ve got all that to read up about after you’ve seen all classic who

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

6:35 Great! Cover up an emergency services utility! 🙁 What if someone needs to call the police? (Tegan wanders inside) ... Oh, there you go! 🙄

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Anyway, about the Watcher; I'd suspected he was sent by the Time Lords to warn or protect the Doctor from the Master. What are some of your ideas about who or what it could be?

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

8:12 We knew it was the Master's, but it was also possible they had made some kind of mistake with their _time_ coordinates on the quantum level, and they had actually found and surrounded a future version of themselves, when they will be trying to do the same thing, but they (future them) arrived there shortly before they (present them) did. If you see what I mean.

[@FrankNFurter1000]

The Watcher, and the music that accompanied it, is just so brilliantly haunting.

[@sixstanger00]

When the police officer asks the Doctor, _"Is that your vehicle, sir?",_ the Doctor turns and looks back at the TARDIS LOL

[@daviddieben]

I have seen this so many times and never picked that up lol

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

😆Then he says "Which one"? 🤣 Actually, that has happened to me a few times, when I have been out about town as a pedestrian. A few times, I would walk by a car that was stopped by the side of the road, and a police officer or someone else would walk up to me and ask if the vehicle was mine. But, it didn't lead to anything exciting, I just said "no" and walked away.

[@benmiller3252]

Tegan is returning in The Power of The Doctor which will be The 13th Doctor's Last Adventure

[@HarmonySwamp]

Certainly not a fake Australian accent. Dolore Whitman was an Australian national treasure.

[@ShamrockParticle]

Loved the cloister room. Love the Master being so vile. Loved more of the TARDIS! Loved the mysterious watching character. Loved the foreboding and ominous tone. Truly chilling and steeped in a skin crawling feeling. Loved the music. Loving your initial reactions as, being a long time fan, it's easy to forget that sense of wonder and amazement. I love how the story brings up machine code - assembly language. Great fun to try to program for 8-bit computers of the time. I recall this story does a lot. Haven't seen it since the blu-ray release and my short term memory is worse than Kryten's, which helps...

[@bobchisholm7487]

Janet Fielding (Tegan) is a genuine Australian.

[@TheZodiacz]

Delore Whiteman who played Aunt Vanessa was also Australian actress and singer.

[@bobchisholm7487]

@@TheZodiacz Interesting. I did not know that.

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Didn't realize she was speaking differently than the others, because _the background music is too loud_ and drowns out the dialogue track! 😤

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Where was I? Oh, yes;. Spoiler Alert. Since M.C. is past this whole story on Patreon, this spoiler is not too severe, but she still requires such a warning. I did not remembered that Tegan ever met the fourth Doctor. I knew she Joined them when they stopped at Hethro ("Heathrow"?) Airport, but I thought they were into Dr. Number Five by then. It is kind of a shame, I think she would have gotten along better with #4.

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Say, wait .... 😒 "Her first day" working for the airline? And she is Australian? Isn't Heathrow Airport in _England?_ They _do have_ airports in Australia. I doubt she moved to the other side of the world _diagonally_ , just to get a job as an airline stewardess. What's the deal with that?😒

[@Eltonlaleham]

I never understood Logopolis and I was sorry to see Tom Baker depart when it ended

[@jcortese3300]

I remember when this first aired -- the way the lighting becomes dimmer and dimmer as they go further and further into the nested TARDISes is so atmospheric, creepy, and evocative.

[@Eltonlaleham]

I liked the way the Master, disguised his TARDIS as a blue Police Box similar to the Drs and also this is the 3rd story in classic Who for the Master to use his shrinker gun on someone he in this story shrunk a Police Constable and Tegans aunt and IMO I am glad when the three Policemen turned up at Barnet Bypass and were checking over the red sports car the Dr appeared and not the Master because had the Master turned up in person he ould have killed the 3 Policemen the plain clothes officer and his 2 constables and I noticed the actors playing the 3 PCS were also extras in both Blakes Seven and classic Dr Who and also Tom Georgeson who played the plain clothes Policeman was Kavell a scientist in Genesis of the Daleks and also the 3 other Policemen were played by Ray knight the Policeman with the bike seen at the start of Logopolis part 1 and the other 2 with tom geogeson were Peter Roy and Derek Southern . Peter Royhad also played the hooded man in Hand of Fear, in episode 1 on the planet Kastria his character was technic Oban who had died before the story began.

[@blakesliberator3197]

Isn't this is the second time we've seen The Master use his matter shrinker? The first time being way back in the Master's debut episode in Terror of the Autons, spanning 10 years!

[@joshuajoshua2732]

Tegan Jovanka (Janet Fielding) both the character and the actress is Australian.

[@martymclean3763]

Ahhh this is one of my favourites! 🎉 Janet Fielding is from Brisbane, QLD so that accent is true blue! 🇦🇺

[@whobp8]

"WTF is that?" is a fair reaction to seeing the Watcher for the first time. Janet Fielding is Australian, so her accent is genuine.

[@stevepanozzo3716]

Though "hell's teeth!" and "rabbits!" are not genuine Australian exhortations - if she'd said "strewth!", "cripes!" or "jeez!" they'd be more on the money (if a little out-of-date). To be honest, I doubt anyone in the Doctor Who production office in 1980 even knew where Australia was, let alone how we speak.

[@kirkkerman]

@@stevepanozzo3716 probably not, though they did want more Australian watchers, so in Tegan came anyways!

[@stevepanozzo3716]

@@kirkkerman We were already always watching (and had been since 1964). The appeal of Doctor Who is that it's British - by inserting Australian characters doesn't make it more appealing to Aussies, it in fact dilutes the appeal. Inserting American characters, or even filming the show in America, to appease Americans is likewise woolly thinking - a million other shows already do that. Tinkering with what makes Doctor Who unique is a sure-fire way to kill it's uniqueness. Nothing against Janet Fielding (she is wonderful), but she was speaking words written by a Pom who *thought* he knew how Australians spoke (he was wrong) and was encouraged by JN-T to flatten her vowels to such an exaggerated degree that she sounded comical. For those reasons, Tegan (especially in these early days) really grated with me.

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

@@stevepanozzo3716 Couldn't she have corrected them on the how Aussies talk errors, then ?

[@stevepanozzo3716]

@@conscienceaginBlackadder All the actors were under the thumb of JN-T, often told to be more camp or over-the-top, the same as one would for a pantomime rather than television. So nothing was ever subtle in the 1980s.

[@stimulusrespond]

I remember being pleasantly surprised when that image of the white-dressed thing/person/entity/creature, looking from the field, appeared in a list of 'haunting/creepy' memes.

[@alexfletcher5192]

Many cynics (including certain members of the cast themselves) believe John Nathan Turner wanted an Australian Air Hostess on the Tardis simply so he could obtain free or discounted tickets from Qantas! Authentic Aussie Janet Fielding became the first companion from outside the British Isles (notwithstanding those who were meant to be from other worlds entirely) and is the first hint of a changing dynamic...

[@timleopardxolo]

It's the end... But the moment has been prepared for.

[@eddherring4972]

There is a quite subtle over arching connection between all the season 18 stories. It is summed up in one word.......... EDIT: It’s the reason you have the feeling that you do.

[@gus4u2c]

ENTROPY

[@TomEyre]

First saw this when I was pretty young and the Watcher and unseen Master spooked me lol.

[@geoffmason7215]

keep your eyes on the watcher and enjoy the ride ...great reaction

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

It's a real Aussie accent, just quite broad, perhaps a little bit exaggerated for TV.... :) Queensland accent..

[@StuartShearing]

Yes, Janet Fielding did broaden her (genuine) accent for this role.

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Ah, I was just wondering that, too✔️ I am an American, and the first time I watched Dr. Who through, I could not tell that her accent was different than everyone else's. Especially not with the way the incidental music is loud enough it drowns out the dialogue. 😡 But, anyway, do other English accents sound so much alike that _British People_ will not notice the differences between them; For example, do Australian's and American's and South African's and New Zealand's accent sound all the same? Or, TVChannel One, do Australian's often not hear the difference between Americans and English, or South Africans, for example?

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

@@TheNoiseySpectator Hhmmm.. No, accents are quite distinct... But then in Australia, I grew up watching American, British and Australian TV shows all mixed together... So accents were very much on show.. I also find the Bristol accent completely different from a Manchester accent.. Or a Charleston accent completely different from a Boston accent.. New Zealand and South Africa are places where I can't narrow their accent down to a smaller location than the whole country! :D

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV .... Wait. Did you say "No, _their_ accents are quite distinct" or "No Accents (aka "none of them") are quite distinct from each other"? Sorry for the confusion.

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

@@TheNoiseySpectator No, accents are quite distinct.. I retroactively added the lost comma.. :)

[@CRINOTH]

Hmm, Tegan needing a reminder to lock the front door turned out not to matter to her Aunt Vanessa in the end after all. She had bigger things she needed to worry about... or do I mean smaller? ;)

[@alexfletcher5192]

The Police Box turning out to be a space/time ship is the whole basis of the show. Indeed, it's where it all started. However, with Terrance Dicks' novelization of 'An Unearthly Child' still some 7 months from publication at the time this episode was broadcast, younger fans were unlikely to know all the details. Indeed, for anyone too short in the tooth to recall the black & white era in any detail (or at all), the most commonly accepted origin story for the Doctor and his magic machine could be found in the pages of 'Dr Who and the Daleks' - the print adaptation, by former script editor David Whittaker, of the first Dalek serial. Originally called 'Dr Who in an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks' - and subject to numerous reprints by various publishers since its debut in 1965 - this version was presented to the public long before it became the first in the popular series by Target Books. As a result, Whittaker contrived an alternative beginning to the Doctor's adventures, with Ian and Barbara encountering Dr Who and his heavily-disguised time capsule on fog-laden Barnes Common in London, before their departure for the ravaged surface of Skaro. And for a lot of those young readers, the disapproving gaze of the 1st Doctor staring out from the cover of the book would have been their only real connection to the lost worlds of the 1960s. Dr Who could change...

[@PizzaTimeFanatic]

Holy heck I can't wait to see your reaction to this story. I know the oncoming videos will fill me with ever more excitement for what is to come!

[@blakesliberator3197]

4:12 Behold: Janet Fielding. No. That Aussie accent is not fake. Janet is as Aussie as I am, though I was born in Devon! Its amazing how British people have as much of an acute ability to picking up Aussie accents as Aussies do picking up British accents.

[@pastadinnertheater8657]

oh boy here we go

[@mattiow9664]

At last your reaction to Logopolis ...the moment has been prepared for.....I have snacks and a beer ! 😉💕

[@ListerDavid]

It’s the one we have been waiting for.

[@john_amend_all]

Nice reaction to the Cloister Bell - of course, someone who's encountered it in the new series would recognise it and start to worry...

[@WilliamRumpf01200]

I love this story alot, it has to be in my top 3 i say, but then its so sad, well by now you would have seen the whole spisode and you know why i think its said as well and at the same time loved the story

[@Adeodatus100]

One of my favourite stories - hope you enjoy it 🙂

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Why did Tegan get into the Doctor's TARDIS, but her friend got into the Master's TARDIS? Watch 8:44 again, you will notice that _just after_ Tegan entered the Doctor's TARDIS, the Master's TARDIS took off. Remember"The Time Monster"? When the Master dematerialized, _his_ TARDIS was then on the _outside_ of the two. 🔁 That is why they found the Doctor's TARDIS back inside the Master's TARDIS. They had switched places before Adric found it and asked "How many are there?" There were only two, but this surreptitious "shell game" was sending people off to different ones. 😵

[@benbastianiartmusic1421]

6:50 so effective. I wonder how many motorists saw it.

[@markdavidson9100]

If this is present day, surely blue police boxes had become a thing of the past

[@rnw2739]

Virtually, there were still some in the north of England and Scotland that were in use (as the Doctor tells Adric here) and the Police Box here was a genuine one on the Barnet By Pass....I think it was demolished not long after the filming of this story.

[@markdavidson9100]

@@rnw2739 fair enough…I’m trying to figure out what I’ve also seen the policeman at the start in

[@rnw2739]

@@markdavidson9100 I think he was the barman in 'Auf Wiedersehen, Pet' but that's all I seen him in apart from this.

[@forkinhell3545]

And suddenly it's spring 1981 again. Another great story begins. I wonder what's going to happen???? 😮

[@gamegeek812]

The Australian accent is real.

[@frankshailes3205]

What about Delore Whiteman's (Auntie Vanessa)? Is she Australian?

[@gamegeek812]

@@frankshailes3205 Yes.

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Then why is she starting her first day of work at _Heathrow,_ an airport in London?

[@gamegeek812]

@@TheNoiseySpectator She's an Australian living in London.

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

@@gamegeek812 Did they ever explain why she was living in London before she got the job with the airline? Actually, maybe that should just be a "yes" or "No" question, considering how M.C. feels about spoilers.

[@TheNoiseySpectator]

Ah, I just had an idea 💡 What if there was a story where they finished up one adventure, went to leave in the TARDIS, and before they entered the scene, another TARDIS materialized in the same room, and they didn't notice they went into the wrong one, but when they got in, it was a trap by the Master, and he laughed, and the show would end with the master declaring, "Got you!" 😈

[@pokemaniac05]

Nope that is definitely a Australian accent.

[@calmopen]

This is my favourite Tom Baker story! I love the music as it suits the story and adds to the build-up.

[@johng5859]

This episode does feel a bit oddly paced - too many cutbacks to Tegan trying to change the tyre, I think - but the music, the unseen Master, the Cloister Bell and the ghostly Watcher all combine to give a feeling of impending doom. The actors playing Tegan and Auntie Vanessa were both genuine Aussies - Janet Fielding, like Tegan, was born in Brisbane. The story was written by Chris Bidmead, script editor for Season 18, who left that post at the end of the season because he felt overworked and underpaid. The TARDIS-within-a-TARDIS scenes were I think directly inspired by the very similar scenes in The Time Monster. It is worth noting in that context that Pertwee era producer Barry Letts, who co-wrote The Time Monster, served as executive producer on Season 18, in which role he kept an eye on rookie producer JNT. He stepped down from the post after this story, as it was felt JNT was now able to run the show without further assistance, so Logopolis gave Letts his last ever credit on televised Who.

[@frankshailes3205]

The Exec Producer role was invented because the previous detailed oversight/feedback on the stories in the 1970s by the Heads of Series (or whatever it was called) disappeared when the BBC had a reorganisation of higher-ups' roles in its television departments. So it wasn't any slight on JNT, but clearly the oversight wasn't needed (or some critics of later seasons may say that it definitely was!).

[@johng5859]

@@frankshailes3205 You are right that the EP role came about because the Head of Serials no longer had time for detailed supervision and monitoring of scripts, but I think there were concerns about JNT’s suitability for the role, as he basically got the job by default when preferred candidates turned it down. During Season 18 he proved himself (logistically and artistically, anyway, though not in terms of ratings), and so the need for close supervision diminished. I think supervision had only been stepped up in the late 70s, anyway, because of concerns over how Graham Williams was performing, and perhaps also in response to the controversies of the Hinchcliffe era. In a sense, then, the ending of the EP role was a return to how things had been pre-Williams. Whether that was the correct decision longer term is another matter…

[@geoffmason7215]

Accent NOT fake but thanx 4 that I laughed hard

[@geoffbrundell4685]

Janet is Australian I think she from Brisbane

[@mark-s]

Here we go the new tardis team adric nyssa and tegan and end of season 18 too this one had a different feel about it

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

While we know she is far enough ahead to know that, we are not supposed to post revealing anything ahead of the present episode. Presently we only know Adric as a companion

[@shadowwhosm]

Spoilers much.

[@mark-s]

@@shadowwhosm she has already on the fifth doctor

[@shadowwhosm]

@@mark-s still we are not supposed to talk ahead of the reaction.

[@chrisboot2468]

Tegan, Tegan Ra, Ra, RAAAA!!

[@thatcedric]

I hope Janet doesn't hear that fake Australian accent comment 😆. She lives along the same coast line as you and me. She'll be round. 😲😉

[@GreatHealer.]

Hell's teeth Aunt Vanessa!

[@tombaxter6228]

Not my favourite story of season 18, but it has its moments. Logopolis has an almost funerial air. Despite his usual Fourth Doctor-isms, Tom's performance is rather sombre..

[@Concreteowl]

It's just a wolf

[@johnreid5676]

Adric is the most hated companion of classic ,who I’d say after leela Sarah one you haven’t met yet ,and Jamie he’s my 5th fave so I didn’t know why The plain clothed policeman was in Genesis of the Daleks The music by Peter Howell was also used in hitchhikers guide to The galaxy also from 1981 The Australian Lady home in this was actually the house of the writers of Meglos earlier in the Season This terrified me age 6 I love this version of the master he was friends with Tom Baker in real life for years before

[@TheZodiacz]

Adric's character wasn't always well written and Matthew was new to acting at the time but I always liked Adric too. Definitely a minority opinion.

[@Joey15811]

I don’t mind Adric. He’s on the lower end still as the classic companions are strong characters but he is leagues ahead of Ryan (The worst ever), yas, Graham and Nardole.

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

Hating Adric is a fashion of school bully type macho-cool prejudice against teenagers. Okay he is flawed because the writers foisted onto him scenes like "Romana is the sacrifice not me" onto him by prejudice against kids instead of onto the companions getting spun as strong, who we should have seen reach their limits like that. But he is a good self-willed young rebel runaway, which I always like, hence like him: and like all the character families of this period.

[@Adeodatus100]

In the dvd commentary - if I remember right - Tom comments on Matthew Waterhouse's lack of experience, but not unkindly. I like to think that in the course of this series you can actually see Matthew learning from Tom as he goes along. (When they're sitting in the cloister - Adric thinks the conversation is over - gets up to go - the Doctor keeps talking - Adric sits down - the Doctor stands up. That's a nice, if basic, piece of business, and I can almost see Tom walking Matthew through it in rehearsal.)

[@joshbostock_2040]

I love this story. Its not the ending I would've gone with for the fourth doctor but it sure is epic and iconic.

[@chrisboot2468]

That girl?????? That's TEGAN!!!!

[@markbelsom3174]

A good enjoyable story, not the best but worth a watch.

[@Joey15811]

I really hate Tegan’s introduction. To me it just feels forced And a “We need a new companion, even though we need to go to another planet, send him to Earth and pick up a human first”. I do like Tegan though but her introduction and this story in general is a right mess with too much to do. In my opinion, Nyssa should have joined the story before. Tegan’s introduction moved to somewhere earlier in the series and have this one soley focused on the watcher

[@Problembeing]

Squeeee!

[@jamescole8771]

I couldn't stand Tegan so annoying

[@rnw2739]

Innit..... No wonder the Fifth Doctor looks gutted st the end of Arc Of Infinity..

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

The second worst story of Season 18 in my book. From memory this first episode is okay, apart from the cheesy off-camera laughing of the Master. The stuff with the Tardis inside the Tardis inside the Tardis inside the Tardis is genuinely creepy, although how the Doctor manages to exit the final one from the back is beyond me. And does the story even explain why there's only a finite number of Tardises? I can't remember if we get even a hint of an explanation as to how the Master knew which police box the Doctor would choose to measure, let alone *when* he'd choose to measure it. Quite a stretch to also assume that the Doctor would materialise around it. For that matter, why not land near Totters Lane in 1963 and take advantage of being able to measure the *original* exterior, in the familiar quiet of the scrapyard?

[@Joey15811]

Finally someone else who agrees this story is far from great. I just think the fact that is got to introduce Tegan and the Doctor’s regeneration plus bring Nyssa back (Marie Claire is up to Kinda atm) and being set on 2 planets just makes this story a big mess and Tegan’s introduction seems like a forced we need a new human companion so we need to make sure we go to Earth and get one. Imo, this season is just the worst with me only enjoying Full Circle and State of Decay fully and finding the others bad, dreadful or average at best. Most over rated season of all time imo.

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

@@Joey15811 I don't think this story's problems are because of what it tries to do, but rather because of how it tries to do them. Problems with the writing become much more apparent in the following episodes: characters knowing things they have no reason to know; too many important events or conversations happening off-screen; and emotional responses that are contained strictly within a single scene before being pretty much forgotten about afterwards, as if they have no consequence. All could (and should) have been fixed. I actually quite like this season, but there were really only two standouts for me: "Full Circle" (and even that's clunky in places) and "Warriors' Gate". I would like several of the other stories more if the scripts had been tightened up: "The Leisure Hive", "The Keeper of Traken", and (the worst offender) "Logopolis". "State of Decay" does a mostly good job but fumbles the conclusion; understandable given the budgetary and technological limitations of the day, but still a shame. "Meglos" is completely unsalvageable... although by chance I saw it listed in someone's top 10 the other day?!

[@bananasaregood8655]

Unfortunately i find this story quite disappointing. However im very excited to see wat you think of it

[@mikalmos369]

...fake accent 😂😂😂... ah NO.