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[@benbastianiartmusic1421]

The director of this story was VERY involved on the studio floor hence the creative camerawork. In fact, he came back many years later to direct many RTD classics!

[@bradleywillard2361]

Graeme Harper. The loveliest of men you can ever meet and the best Doctor Who director.

[@rnw2739]

RTD classics?!!! An oxymoron surely...

[@seanryan3020]

​@@rnw2739 Well, we are coming up on 20 years for New Who, so not really.

[@rnw2739]

@@seanryan3020 Well, yes actually as longevity is no indicator of quality. It is die hard fans from the classic era that are loyal to the bitter end, even though the show they champion spits on them at every turn lately...

[@seanryan3020]

@@rnw2739 Longevity is no indicator of quality? Wrong! It is most definitely an indicator of quality! A show like Doctor Who does not endure for 20+ years and make a huge comeback after a 15-year hiatus unless it has *some* quality. As for the recent trend of New Who spitting in the fans' faces, that has nothing to do with RTD. RTD brought Doctor Who back from irrelevance through good writing, good actors, and good direction. So yes, I stand by my claim that no, actually, RTD classics is not an oxymoron.

[@kemmdog4444]

If you remember correctly in The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe,the three tree harvesters,played by Bill Bailey,Annabella Weir and Paul Bazely were from Androzani Major.

[@niallnorwood4669]

This is Peter’s favourite story and one of the fan favourite classic stories. Notes- Morgus actor looking at the viewers was never scripted but they decided to let him do it

[@eddherring4972]

Yes, John Normington miss understood the stage direction but they went with it. It’s hard to imagine who he would have said those lines to had he followed the correct direction, perhaps he was supposed to be thinking out loud.

[@niallnorwood4669]

@@eddherring4972 I’m glad they kept it, it make Morgus like self thought talking and he will do it again somewhere later in this another episode

[@magic713m]

The mystery for the decorative vegetable's function is answered XD

[@johnlarro6872]

We've ALL been waiting, hanging for you to get to this episode! I know you've already watched the full story, but in keeping with no spoilers, I'll just say that this is not only my favourite story of WHO, it just stands up so well even after all of this time.

[@kierenevans2521]

The cliffhanger at the end of part one is often listed among the greatest of the show. The build up dread and tension coupled with the music. Also the fact that they don't cut before the guns are fired which is how this sort of cliffhanger is usually done.

[@dcsignal5241]

and yet it's only the 2nd best cliffhanger in the story.

[@gus4u2c]

It’s very reminiscent of part one of The War Games

[@kierenevans2521]

@@gus4u2c Can't get much better for stories to be reminded of, imo.

[@GreatHealer.]

"This dice is still warm" will forever remind me of the start sequence on the DVD menu for this story.

[@matthewjh138]

Omg same! XD

[@ihateunicorns867]

Isn't dice a plural?

[@GreatHealer.]

@@ihateunicorns867 I think so yes

[@richardhughes9255]

The singular is die, so "This die is still warm..."

[@CRINOTH]

This is such a highly regarded story, it's generally thought of as top tier classic Doctor Who by most fans. It's good to have Robert Holmes back writing on the show for the first time since Season 16. :)

[@stimulusrespond]

First comment, and first to say that this story is directed by Graeme Harper, who will return in Classic Who but also in New Who, directing several stories between (and including) Rise of the Cybermen and The Waters of Mars.

[@kierenevans2521]

The only classic who director to have done modern who.

[@gumdeo]

Thus begins one of the best Doctor Who stories.

[@andrewbowman4611]

Robert Glenister played Peter Davison's brother in a sitcom from shortly before this story, called Sink or Swim. Its premise was not entirely dissimilar to that of Only Fools and Horses, which started 1981. Two brothers on the make, basically. In fact, Davison does his best to not look Glenister in the face, as he would invariably crack up. There is a moment coming up where they to be face to face, and you can just see Davison's mouth start to twitch just before the edit to a different scene. On the story itself, this is widely considered to be one of the best, if not *the* best, stories of the 20th century run of the show. It could be argued, however, that it also signalled the show's death knell. Due to its hand-held camera work, and dark script, everything following it didn't or couldn't live up to the promise of The Caves of Androzani. That isn't to say that show isn't worth bothering with anymore, but that expectations were raised and then dashed almost immediately. As I say though, the upcoming seasons all have something to recommend them. In my view, at least.

[@yannatoko9898]

Doesn't help what followed it, either.

[@whobp8]

In addition to Doctor Who, Peter Davison was co-starring in a sitcom with Robert Glenister called Sink or Swim at this time, in which they played brothers. They found it very difficult to act opposite each other in this, because every time they looked each other in the eyes, they wanted to break up laughing. Peri's American accent vanishes completely for a moment when she says the word glass at the beginning of the episode.

[@awall1701]

Sink or Swim... That brings back memories.

[@ftumschk]

I'm glad someone else noticed the "glass" pronunciation :)

[@Adeodatus100]

[Gets popcorn] This is a good one. One of the best....

[@billthewhovian]

Well, now I feel like Popcorn and I don't have any. Darn it!

[@Joey15811]

Interesting fact about this story I just realised: This is the first story since season 15s opener Horror of Fang Rock to feature on 1 companion at all. And that was Leela. Discounting Robots, first since Meglos with Tom/Lalla. Tegan’s first exit in Time Flight and that brief period with Just Nyssa before Tegan reunited with them in Amsterdam in the following story is the only period we had 1 companion but that wasn’t a full serial. Quite a big period between a story with just Doctor/1 Companion.

[@stimulusrespond]

Of course, if you get into Big Finish, all of this changes rather dramatically!

[@Joey15811]

@@stimulusrespond i know theres some of Just Nyssa in the Time Flight/ARC of Infinity gap. Unless theres any of just K-9 mark 2 between Invasion of Time and The Ribos operation I don’t see any other possible between when we get K-9 mark one until Peri. The others overlap companions Obviously a K-9 is there for Leela/Romana’s Duriation. But a brief period after Doctor leaves mark 1 with Leela and unpacks tHe 2nd before Romana leaves, Don’t know how long K-9 was out of the box for in Ribos. Even if he’s relegated to TARDIS in a couple stories like Destiny and City. Adric arrives before Romana leaves, Keeper is weird but it introduces Nyssa and is essentially the first part of a trilogy that the 3 stories honest feel more like a 12 parter at times, Obviously Tegan joins in Logopolis and Nyssa properly, Adric dies, Tegan leaves then the gap of Just Nyssa for off screen stories of just 1 companion. Turlough joins before Nyssa leaves, Kameleon is on board Tardis soon after, Peri joins story after Tegan leaves and same as Kameleon dies and Turlough leaves. Also somewhere in this timeline he’d build Mark 3 to send to Sarah

[@stimulusrespond]

@@Joey15811 Thanks for this detail. I think you are right - I had in my mind the continued adventures of the fifth Doctor and Peri, but obviously this comes after the timeline you detail here.

[@DarknessLovesAll]

Brace yourself for this story. There is a reason this is one of the greatest stories in dr who history and you are about to witness it. So excited for the rest of this story reactions...

[@julieeverett7442]

many people tie this story with Genesis as the best dr who story of all time, lets see what you think!!!

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

yet I just find it one of the dull-concept business stories that later Classic suffered from

[@Joey15811]

@@conscienceaginBlackadder i fime it over rated but no where near the likes of Colony in Space and the Mutants. More enjoyable but I perfer other stories that get overlooked

[@johng5859]

As others have mentioned, this story marked the return to writing duties on Who of renowned former script editor Robert Holmes, five years after his last contribution, The Power of Kroll. Originally Eric Saward had approached him to script what eventually became The Five Doctors, but Holmes struggled with having to bring back so many old characters and monsters, and ultimately walked away from the project. As an admirer of his past work on the show, Saward was still keen to work with him, and instead offered him the chance to write a completely original adventure for Season 21. This classic was the result, one of Holmes’ finest scripts for the show and filled with his trademark memorable dialogue and characterisation. Graeme Harper’s innovative direction also has a lot to do with the story’s success. He had previously worked with the great Douglas Camfield, Classic Who’s finest director, and produces work here that stands comparison with Camfield’s best - Harper is also the only director to have worked on both the old and the new shows. I was wondering if you would recognise Robert Glenister, who was 23 when this was made.

[@powerspyin2]

And now for one of the greatest stories in Doctor Who history. Plus, Graeme Harper directed this, and the legendary Robert Holmes is back And the celery actually had a purpose the whole time 6:00 that never fails to make me laugh

[@eddherring4972]

10 seconds in and I have to comment on Super Ted, calling on your inner Pertwee I see.

[@Clayton-S.]

Robert Holmes, sheer class. One of the all time best stories, beautifully written(of course) great direction and some excellent performances☺👍

[@markandresen1]

CLASSIC is spot-on in this case.

[@markbelsom3174]

Excellent story, probably one of the 5th doctors best.

[@richardhughes9255]

It's not a set. It's location work, with a painting on glass put in front to give us the mountains and greater perspective. Used a lot in Classic Who and B7.

[@sixstanger00]

The 11th Doctor story _"The Doctor, The Widow, and the Wardrobe"_ is set on Androzani Major, a forest world. Androzani Minor, seen here, orbits Androzani Major.

[@robertkramer2271]

Without giving away spoilers, you are in for a treat. There's many fans that consider this to possibly be the greatest DW story ever. It always ends up in the top 3 or 5 stories according to fan polls.

[@kevinjones3908]

Bill Bailey played one of the 3 tree harvesters in the doctor the widow and the wardrobe and they were from Androzani major.

[@slumdogjay]

One of Doctor WHO’s greatest stories.

[@theuberbob]

I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect that the box under the Doctor's robe at the end may have been wired for explosive squibs to simulate bullet hits. I thought I had read somewhere that they shot the scene two different ways, with and without the squibs going off, and decided that the one with them was just too violent. I could be entirely wrong.

[@drwhotvwam]

im singing the superted theme tune now

[@robert_bbiii]

You see now why I worry when we see a clean sweep of companions in Doctor Who

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

The feeling of getting through Fifth quickly surely is a tribute to enjoying him. Keen to say that as he's my favourite, but he does share some of the earnestness and taking it seriously quality of your favourite. By KZbin dates you have been on him for 9 months - it was last Halloween that you were on his arrival. You were on Second for 8, First and Third for 7, were doing less other shows then so going faster, just saying you been on Fifth for a comparable time. Same as, he did a comparable time in number of stories, but we know that by his time stories had got shorter.

[@ianlacey8323]

Re your comment about Robert Glenister.Do you know both he and Peter Davison starred in a comedy series called Sink or Swim.Was made around the same time as Doctor Who.Production schedules actually clashed for a time.Maybe worth a look .

[@robalexander8065]

Not a bad little sitcom but not easy to find these days.

[@stickytapenrust6869]

@@robalexander8065 It’s on DVD.

[@alexfletcher5192]

Bob Glenister's first appearance in the show (ahead of playing Edison more recently) is far from his first run-in with Peter Davison. They had already starred together as the leads in BBC sitcom 'Sink or Swim' (in fact Davison was at least as well known for comedy as drama when he was cast). He seems fairly well satisfied to have been in the serial most fans still rate as the greatest one ever committed to VT.

[@benji274]

Think he was only 23 here, pretty young

[@iancuneo1820]

This is one of my fave classic story and one of my favorite 5th doctor stories 😊

[@Jamienomore]

I can tell you it was filmed on Androzani Minor. Alledgedly. A Grippy Grasp is a thing for Women's Hair. Ha! Ha! Sorry, I couldn't resist it.

[@jeremythomaswebb1485]

That's understandable that you feel like you went through the 5th doctor rather quickly. After 7 years with Tom Baker and 5 with Jon Pertwee, Peter Davison's era is a bit smaller in comparison. Ironically Peter has said that if there were more stories like Caves of Androzani, he would have stuck around longer.

[@robertkramer2271]

That was actually Patrick Troughton's fault. He told Peter after he got the role don't do more than 3 years. Peter has said he probably would have done one more year, but he did decide to leave after 3 years.

[@jeremythomaswebb1485]

@@robertkramer2271 In Patrick Troughton's defense, when he did it, he did 45 episodes a season. Which culminated to doing the show all year long as well as always being on a strict deadline to get each episode done by. He was exhausted by the third year. As for Peter Davison, he was doing half the episode count and had some breaks between seasons to be able to work on other projects. Different work environments.

[@alexfletcher5192]

'As long as you explain the celery before I leave?' said Peter Davison, right back at the start. Well, they did that! This story actually rather depressed me at the time - for reasons that become more and more apparent as it goes along - and it initially surprised me that it was so feted. Most of the acclaim seems to be pointed to Graeme Harper as Director; once featured as one of the faces seen during the mind-tussle in 'The Brain of Morbius' and since canonized as a 'missing incarnation' of the Doctor, thanks to 'The Timeless Children'. Doctor Who Magazine readers, on the other hand, were more blown away by the return of the Daleks at the time and opinions on that seem to have varied a lot too.

[@bananasaregood8655]

Oooh here we go! This will be good. Androzani is such a dark story unlike any other! And a couple of great cliffhangers in there too. 2:25 oops nicola bryant’s british accent came through there haha also when she trips over the edge u can see her bouncing on the matt she landed on

[@conscienceaginBlackadder]

I think she gets away with it being a mock posh accent as part of the sarcasm.

[@ftumschk]

@@conscienceaginBlackadder Then again, maybe Peri's related to Loyd Grossman ;)

[@Jamestopboy]

Since you’re ahead on Patreon - as I can see from the pinned comment - I can reveal that Peter said he would have stayed on for another year if more of his stories had been like this story.

[@jimstanley7786]

When this series first aired on TV, I could feel like the Doctor was gradually being backed into a corner and something ominous was approaching. As a fan who understood that the future of the show itself was in question at the time, it kind of magnified the drama. First Adric dies, then Nyssa leaves. Turlough joins but brings with him a dark vibe because of his secrets. Tegan and the Doctor seem to get more irritable towards each other, then she leaves and the long-standing TARDIS family is finally broken up. The Doctor now only has Peri, who is someone he hardly knows and who is still coming to terms with the dangerous situations she now finds herself in. Tricky time for the Doctor.

[@thomasstevens2746]

Love Peri

[@mark-s]

Peter davidsons favourite story and one of mine Peter davidson mentioned if all stories was this quality he would have stayed longer in the role

[@joshuajoshua2732]

The best bet is just to enjoy that Doctor while you still got him don't think too hard of when they might leave :) it will happen when it happens then that's the wow moment when you get shocked and emotional because otherwise it takes too much focus away from the story and it takes the emotions away because you guess too much what happens.

[@Problembeing]

Would be very interested to get your thoughts on a video about how you feel Doctor Who has changed throughout the different eras from Hartnell through to now. I’d be very interested to know. Maybe down the line after you’ve completed the classic run, but I would still, whilst it’s still ongoing and fresh, like to know your thoughts on the various changes to the show’s feel, style, etc.

[@Cruithneach]

I'm a massive Bob Holmes fan and this story is adored my so many, many Whovians, but I'm not the greatest fan of it. It's a good story, I just don't laud it the way many others do

[@goblin457]

Second best story of the classic era this 🙂

[@markdavidson9100]

Nicola Bryant wished they’d allowed her to wear jeans and trainers and not the costume from the previous story. It worked when it’s hot but on location here said it was freezing

[@Joey15811]

This one i feel os over rated, I enjoy it but just prefer some of the otherlooked ones. In think the name Androzani you recogonised the name. Madame Vastra mentioned it Name of the Doctor when the Great Intelligence was in the Doctors timeline so he was attacking the Doctor in this story at some point

[@paulkennedy8701]

I didn't know Vastra mentioned it. However, it was where the forest-harvesters came from in "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe".

[@dorkarama3135]

Peter Davison never felt 'other worldly' enough to be an effective Doctor. In spite of him I enjoyed most of his episodes. I think his daughter is married to David Tennant...which is weird when you think about it...kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.

[@rnw2739]

None of the new Doctors have the slightest hint of 'other worldliness' - that trait is not wanted as far as I can see, especially on 'Doctor Who's return with Ecclestons broad grinning, divvy northerner act...

[@ihateunicorns867]

Peri's accent is a weird one. They only wanted to audition Americans and Nicola Bryant's agent thought she was genuinely American and so put her forward for the role and she got it. When she slips up, it's really obvious. Listen to the way she says "glass" at 02:27.

[@paulkennedy8701]

That was part of Peri's mocking of the Doctor's technobabble. So it's quite possible that it was merely an American's approximation of the Doctor's English accent, part of the "sarcasm" that the Doctor objected to.

[@ihateunicorns867]

@@paulkennedy8701 I admire your optimism.

[@kemmdog4444]

@@paulkennedy8701 I believe you are correct.

[@paulkennedy8701]

@@kemmdog4444 The more I think about it the less likely it seems that it would be a slip. The whole of that line (when Peri is making up her pseudo-explanation) is a bit off. And "glass" is so clearly "mis-pronounced". It's almost accented. And it's such an unlikely word to slip up on. Every English person knows the common American pronunciation. And it was on film. In the studio a slip might be left in because of the long takes with several cameras and limited time. On location they just don't do that. They film several takes and usually rehearse immediately before. It seems very unlikely that such an obvious goof would slip through, especially with Graeme Harper directing.

[@stecurrell5863]

Pne of Peter Davidsons best

[@geoffmason7215]

follow those politics

[@easty74]

I may be in the minority, but I've never cared for this story. Always thought it was kind of dull and a bit of a let down for me from Robert Holmes