Classic Game Room - PANZER DRAGOON II ZWEI review for Sega Saturn

[@bombjack1984]

I'm surprised that Mark prefers the first one, for me Zwei is a huge improvement both technically and in terms of gameplay depth and variety. This just barely beats out Star Fox 64 as my favourite rail shooter.

[@drunkensailor112]

One of the finest examples of a saturn game that would've been impossible to do on the playstation.

[@Monacomaverick]

Man, he really undervalued this one. The music is incredible, the scope is much larger, and the graphics are improved. This is as good as a Saturn game gets in my book.

[@Lupucillo]

Probably the best game on the Saturn. Fine-tuned every aspect of Panzer Dragoon, made it 10 times better, more dynamic, upbeat, and cranked up the difficulty. It's rare to see a sequel live up to its predecessor, but this one does with flying colours. All that, and cute cuddly Khourieats. :D

[@sdmayday]

I played Zwei before the first one and clearly the second game was much better. I wired our television to my home stereo just to record the soundtrack to tape. A game with heart and soul whichever direction you look at it! And yes, highly mesmerized past me was like "Take that Playstation! You'll never get something like this!"

[@YujiNanaya]

To this day, Panzer Dragon 2 is my favorite Sega Saturn game.

[@matt1901]

Loved the mystical Dune-like atmosphere in this game.

[@MrThunderwing]

Love this game! Interesting fact; If you've got a Panzer Dragoon Saga save file on your Saturn it automatically unlocks all the Pandora's Box options in this game.

[@jazthurin]

I still love these games, I just wish more people had appreciated it when it was new.

[@SuperXero89]

Yes, I'm amazed that he said that about the environments and music. The environments in the original are basically flat plains with various ground textures. Nevermind the fact that the framerate in the original is absolutely abysmal by comparison.

[@Ekkobelli]

That is a very good observation and explanation. You put into words what I couldn't. I love the big atmospheres and stories of current games, but the lightheartedness of old N64- or Saturn-games always stroke me as more charming. Stuff like Propeller Arena for example, Destruction Derby: Put in, play, feel satisfied, switch off. Doesn't happen to me like that with current games, though I still love them. I guess the dreamcast was the last real "arcade"-machine.

[@RichardCraig]

Agreed, though I can see where Mark's coming from too... I think he nailed it when he said it's very subjective. It's amazing that all of the music in this one came from the sound chip and not pre-recorded audio tracks.

[@UnravellingTomcat]

I loved this series. The whole aesthetic and mythology was so original. loved the music, too.

[@SrChoppers]

This is game that you don't just play it. You master it.Brilliant.

[@MrRedberet]

I still have my Saturn and it came with this game! It's such a lovely experience. The Theme of the game, the storyline, the soundtrack, the beauty of the scenarios, the challenging enemies... sheesh. Panzer Dragoon (not just Zwei, but all of them) are the most perfect games I've ever played in so many years! Anyone who has all the PD games or at least one of them, consider them as relics and not just as simple classic games...

[@Barla90]

Wohoo! Can't wait for the Batsugun review!

[@sumomoogleadventure]

This game kicks ass, I have not played the first one but I can tell you this, it took me awhile to get into this game, but then I got hooked, once you master the controls it is a really fun play, I'f you have Saturn this is highly recommended!

[@Darkprince561985]

it wasnt from sega but dream amdromeda who is still alive, a multiplayer online panzer dragoon would work amazing, bringing everyone together from around the world working together and enjoying the adventure, dreamcast 2!! hopefully!! but if not on a console/ pc

[@loveforgothic]

Partly wrong. It was from Sega. At that time, Sega had different internal programming teams wich were nearly constantly formed by the same people. One of them was AM2 Yu Suzuki's team (After Burner, Hang On, Shenmue, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Racing), another one was AM3 Tetsuya Mizuguchi (Sega Rally 1 & 2, Sega Touring Car) and another one was Team Andromeda withe their Panzer Dragoon saga (the whole saga, not only the game P.D. Saga), a team that in the Dreamcast era was cancelled but most of the members went to Smilebit (a new internal team inside Sega)

[@iamuriah]

Really loved this game as a kid...i miss the good ol days );

[@edgesdragon888]

The music for the first game was designed to correspond with the action on the screen. If a music track took three minutes, for example, the level would be the exact same length because there was only one route to the end. For Panzer Dragoon Zwei, the branching paths prevented the music from corresponding to the actions on the screen because the different paths would be of different lengths, so they had to make the musical motifs loop. That's why the musical styles for the games are different.

[@gumdeo]

Panzer Dragoon Zwei is a true Saturn classic.

[@ColtGColtG]

Mark, you are so awesome I shut off ad-block plus for your vids

[@Beavernator]

I'm a huge fan of this game (favorite rail shooter), and I have a very difficult time even playing the 1st game after experiencing Zwei when it came out... Surprised Mark prefers the first one as well.. But it seems that he does just for the soundtrack. Which honestly, is rather odd...

[@stashmerkin9576]

Thank you Metushalakh! And thank you yngwieisgod79 for an especially informative response!

[@swampnutz]

Definitely. By far one of the best games on the Saturn, and leaps and bounds better than the first.

[@RetroAmateur1989]

thats my reaction when CGR starts and my sound is cranked up.

[@ABlackFalcon]

Yeah, PD Zwei is an amazing, must-play game... but the first one is even better.

[@iPlaySEGA]

i dunno why, but i like the first one a lil' bit more aswell. it's like mark said, 'PD2 is clearly the better game' but for some reason the original PD is 'better'... at least for me... maybe because the fantastic venice stage or the catchy soundtrack... i have no idea. both are awesome games!

[@sentelnbalivebolton7399]

How do you lock onto things on the first version of Panzer Dragoon

[@then8mac]

The red, white, and yellow cables go by many names: RCA, A/V, and composite. They are $8 on ebay, gold plated, US sold.

[@Telmata]

i'm kinda impressed how good you pronounced "zwei"

[@mariomugheddu853]

Please make an episode on panzer dragoon saga!!!

[@Helvetica_Scenario]

Mark was way off on this one. It's better than the first game in every aspect. The music may not sound like an album, yet it's still amazing, and it creates mood in a way that wasn't done with the first game. The graphics are better, and environments are more detailed. The game play is also smoother. This game is an excellent sequel.

[@terrybroadway]

Whoa.. Newhart reference. Kudos, Mark.

[@CasperEgas]

Good review. I agree with you that the first one is more impressive. Great video output by the way, you are doing great! A little pointer, 'zwei' is pronounced with a T, more like Tzwei.

[@Beavernator]

It's actually an "Auto-lock" feature.. Think of it like Afterburner... In that you can either hold the button down for a quick shot.. Or just move the cursor over several enemies to do a big homing-shot... Kind of like Asura's Wrath's shooting sections...

[@BrianPicchi]

This guy gets more views in 10 minutes than my vids in 10 months.

[@joseantoniocubillasgonzale9255]

todavía me pregunto por qué no hacen un panzer dragoon actualmente, al igual que otros muchos grandes juegos de SEGA.

[@metooblueshoes]

There was this awesome rpg called Albert Odysee for Saturn. Well atleast it looked awesome. Couldn't afford the Saturn at the time..

[@kcvriess]

I love this game. HD remake please!!

[@kotatsu2000]

Personally I always prefered Zwei over the original. It's much prettier, runs at a better frame rate (30fps as opposed to 20fps), does a lot more with the Saturn hardware, and it's a much more varied game too. Plus it plays better, and it's more difficult. I love it, but I have to say, Orta is even better again...

[@stashmerkin9576]

The targeting & gameplay in this reminds me of Rez. Didn't that start out on a Sega console as well? The Saturn? I have the PS2 version.

[@donnychoi4884]

your collection is dope!

[@fireheartis1]

Sega needs to make a new Panzer Dragoon game man. I loved part 1 & 2. These are some of the most challenging and fun games ever created. The art work in this game makes it stand the test of time for sure. If a part 4 ever came out even if it was for the PS4 or 720 I would run out and buy a Sony or Microsoft system. It would be better as a Multiplat that hit all three Next Gen systems but if it didn't come out for Wii U I would by one of the other systems if it had Panzer Dragoon 4.

[@saturngamer1997]

I love this game.. I liked more than the first game

[@pastelshoal]

The problem that makes 2 the better game is that when looking sideways in the first game, you can't move the camera

[@TockTockTock]

I definitely prefer the sequel. I love the entire series (Saga is one of my favorite RPGs), but Zwei just has superior and more complex gameplay. I also prefer the environments myself as well as the story.

[@nikodem123asdf]

I agree completely

[@donjuan5955]

yeh the sequel rocked

[@Zeromaster456]

I love classic game room

[@braddahjerry]

This and Dragon Force are the two games I regret not buying back then....

[@then8mac]

I sure hope they come out with a new Panzer Dragoon on the upcoming Dreamcast 2!

[@michaeljacksoned]

Is an Orta review coming?

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

the music doesn't sound that good because it is no redbook audio track but comes from the sound memory of the saturn. Simply because the game is constantly loading new segments of the game and the levels while the game is still running. That was totally new and revolutionary back then. No other console could do that. So the bandwich limitation of the CD drive did not allow both, loading and playng CD audio at the same time.

[@TheManOnTheHill]

Best graphics n the 32 bit era.

[@iPlaySEGA]

orta is awesome, but zwei was the better game (IMO). it's a close call. orta was a lil bit too long and had some dumb stages and bosses. but orta is is awesome with beautiful soundtrack and grafix, that's right.

[@Robotoda2000]

I mentioned that already "The snes star fox is nothing like panzer dragoon, no charge shots, no targeting." Don't get me wrong I love Nintendo, the SNES is my all time favourite console. But Nintendo fan boys drain my patience.

[@Utoobyourself]

I totally agree with ur comment

[@JohnnnyJohn]

I never could get into games like this, but I always find them fascinating to watch. It certainly looks like fun.

[@doujindance]

I have been choosing hidden route(shortest route) in cave stage always.

[@SnakeOfBacon]

WIDESCREEN??!?!?! ON A SATURN GAME?! I'm in. considering no PS games had that and hardly any N64 games did, very interesting.

[@SlothMachines]

Sega is a shell of it's former self. You're basically asking a corpse to breath.

[@FunkyFranky80]

Amazing game,just like the first one & Saga. Team Andromeda was one of the best development teams in that era at Sega,and it shows.

[@nintendo64_lover6]

Well also in the Dreamcast era with Jet Set Radio (my favorite DC game) and Panzer Dragoon Orta

[@nintendo64_lover6]

Oh and they were under the name Smilebit

[@FunkyFranky80]

+Nintendo64_Lover You're right ;) But personally i think the 3 Panzer Dragoon games on Saturn were their masterpieces. Especially Panzer Dragoon Zwei

[@joshuahodges308]

This game reminds me of star fox for the n64!

[@Guns7469]

Thank you ....Thank you ..... and Thank You

[@captainnintendo]

A HD release of this series is long overdue.

[@peterleavitt4653]

Those water effects o.0

[@1nfinitysL1mit]

I had this game, its FUCKING AWESOME!!

[@tonesxbox]

i have this game it is very good i think mark

[@snakey888]

I'd consider PD Orta the best game in the series, as well as the best one to start with. PD II Zwei comes at a close second place. The original is good but dated, while PD Saga is of a completely different genre.

[@Dre_aka_sleepysandman]

I like this one a lil better then the first game. Music is great.

[@tubularLeah]

HECK YES, MORE SATURN! In Beer-Squirrel I trust!

[@Lenoch_]

Never played this myself, but how is this different from Rez?

[@iam16bits]

Mark you gotta play Panzer Dragoon for the Xbox!!!

[@simonjones4395]

Personally thought this was a pretty bad review. Didn't even get near the end and had no idea what the special attack was (berserk by the way) also no mention of pandoras box?? Need to try harder than this!

[@mekdra]

que gran consola como me gstaria jugar esta secuela T_T

[@Fortuna1]

is a great game exist 1 for pc too and a pair of ports too

[@DestroyTheMedia]

CGR rules!!

[@talideon]

You used your comment wisely. For that, have an internet.

[@garu629]

Zwei? Because we like you!

[@RapidFireRetro]

They need a Panzer Dragoon HD Collection.

[@JesseH76]

I hope you NEVER EVER change you opening theme music. It's like playing a Star Wars movie without the opening theme, it must stay.

[@ChrisLT]

Ok, now I gotta go replay Orta.

[@raymondshafer4669]

for real this game makes me want a sega saturn lol

[@TheMcdjc1]

what about rare?

[@TheSuperNESman]

He was probably referring to Star Fox on SNES which came out way before Panzer Dragoon.

[@SMS-iz9ud]

Mark is the first guy i see on youtube who spells zwei correctly!

[@siwy2501]

I don't understand why Saturn fail. Arcade game style is awesome!

[@paianis]

In widescreen mode the game is vertically stretched, in normal mode the game is horizontally squashed.

[@joeydaniel3053]

starfox was the first full 3d rail shooter not the first rail shooter

[@DrGiddle]

We need a CGR Gravy boat.

[@LiquidShamanMan]

Panzer Dragoon 2 TWO

[@SHADOSTRYKR]

This game has godrays 12/10

[@Brennanas]

I was just playing this at the weekend! How odd.

[@kenkoopa7903]

I feel like the soundtrack's definitely better in the second one. I don't know, the music in the first one sounds awfully generic.

[@kenkoopa7903]

It is, but I don't really feel the soundtrack itself fits the world of Panzer Dragoon all too well. And note I said *definitely*, not *so much* or something like that. I don't not like the PD1 soundtrack, but IMO, I can decisively say that Zwei's OST is better, even if by a small margin.

[@thaneros]

Doesn't Zwei mean 2?

[@flatshade]

another reasons why I still have two huge CRT TVs in my game room... SD output from older consoles, even the superb RGB signals from the modded ones, tend to look like total ass on HD TVs. >:/

[@Xodyak]

When are you reviewing Orta, if ever? Most over looked of the series...

[@thumpsupgaming]

Why "Yuck"? 16:9 is the aspect ratio for most 720/1080p resolutions

[@10191927]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is easily the best.

[@axelguzman1164]

Saludos cordiales desde Michoacán de Ocampo México viva SEGA

[@sandog35]

Wtf he talking about 2 is improved over 1 in many ways and music just as good maybe even a Lil better.