Classic Vanilla WoW Warlock Deep-Dive with Alive | Classic WoW Warlock Guide

[@TipsOutBaby]

Make sure to check out Alive's Discord (discord.gg/jrGwYTy). The guy knows his Vanilla!

[@doctordemento965]

He didn't play vanilla... he played private servers. I don't know how wowhead trusted him to write a guide when he didn't play it. Some of the things he said are inherently wrong.

[@doctordemento965]

I'm not bashing him bud... I'm pointing out a simple truth. The values on the private servers are different than blizzard's. Wowhead shouldn't be releasing guides based on private server data. As for you playing a warrior... good choice and I hope you have a blast.

[@boyan3977]

@@doctordemento965 Such as?

[@kevinforrest9874]

He knows his private server vanilla, which as most people will find, has some very large differences. Private server vanilla, is NOT classic.

[@jongotti7403]

Most ppl play private server vanilla that have anything to say about vanilla. There weren't that many super knowledgeable ppl in vanilla wow because most ppl were still figuring stuff out when bc hit. I wouldn't say his info is wrong and he said multiple times that he's not sure if how things will work in retail vanilla because of differences in private servers. It's still a good foundation of knowledge to have for starting out in vanilla. It's not like he's preaching this stuff like it's gospel truths. Take it with a grain of salt but that's better than nothing imo.

[@fullbackrb1125]

This Series is so goddamn awesome, thanks a lot for your dedication Tips

[@TipsOutBaby]

thank you man

[@illumstern8831]

Minor correction. When talking about Alliance races, you guys forgot to mention the human's hidden racial ability. It reads: "Does not look like a gnome," and is FAR more powerful than all the gnome racial abilities combined.

[@throttle1000]

Looking like a human will mean looking like 80% of the Alliance though.

[@Tots214]

Throttle yup my main was a gnome warlock in clasic

[@georgeegerog4175]

gnomes do stand out less in BG

[@Ghost-fe1vp]

Gnomes are great. Small size makes you look fast which always made leveling feel faster and smoother. Taurens on the other hand, Look amazing but the speed!

[@lifelonghalo]

@@georgeegerog4175 gnomes think they stand out less, but in reality all horde players have an instinctual gnome awareness that triggers whenever a gnome is on their screen, causing them to go into a rage and attack the gnome relentlessly until it is dead

[@jansteyaert1]

I was just thinking been a while since we had one of these ... really like these...

[@AintNothinButaZthanG]

This guy looks like he’s about to say, “From my perspective the Jedi are evil!”

[@Pixelkip]

AintNothinButaZthanG was just talking about Star Wars like 5 min ago lmaoo

[@Teristar1]

Sitting here binging vanilla videos waiting for classic

[@MrWhoever]

ONLY 2HRS BRUH

[@Teristar1]

@@MrWhoever WE'RE GOING HOME!!! :D

[@davidscalais]

Go again boys??

[@iquerohde]

waiting for so long for this guy channel come up

[@pablosaenz161]

This right here is what I like to see Tips! Keep it up man, Classic will be here soon...

[@TipsOutBaby]

Pablo Sáenz thanks man! i hope so :)

[@MetaGoblin]

Seems like everyone has their own preference on the best leveling spec. Most people want imp ds quickly, the guy in the video prefers a deeper demonology build and I prefer a glass cannon lifetap build.

[@dahut95]

It's all about the different strokes

[@michaelgrey1351]

I ran a warrior in vanilla wow at release and have decided I'll play a worlock in classic. Great guide, thanks.

[@burter3154]

Loving how informative this video was, 90 minutes just flew by! Definitely hitting the notification bell so I can catch the next one straight off the presses 😁

[@iQwimby]

Literally no one: .... Tipsout: "There it is!"

[@Michael-eq8th]

This many people are watching an hour and a half deep dive on one class for classic WoW. I'm betting that just like vanilla launch, Blizzard is vastly underestimating the amount of interest in this game.

[@chadgroveau9702]

Great breakdown, I'm hoping you can make a priest video with the same formula. And keep it long and detailed, you guys went through everything and I wish there was more videos like this on each class

[@Andrew-vt2wq]

19:20 It DOES matter. Your void sac is calculated based on your voidwalker health. it's a percentage. Go into Fel Stamina.

[@ceomusic7]

I don’t know if I’ll even have time to play classic but I love listening to this type of content. You (Tip) are calm and removed from your ego so I wouldn’t prefer any other facilitator.

[@TipsOutBaby]

Bra The Ele thanks bra, i appreciate the kind words

[@elakObad]

Yeah I like it too, I know you know a lot of stuff but you still ask so all us noobs can be included ^^

[@ceomusic7]

Mr. Zealous an ego represents your perception of yourself. In the context I was talking it has nothing to do with his knowledge. He does not try to insert his name or brand during the interview he allows the interviewee 100% of the time which is how it should be

[@loganjohnson9322]

Yo Taunt! Lol jk I love tips

[@CyborgNinja442]

Man I'm dying for that shaman deep dive.

[@ceomusic7]

Tyler Durden shaman4life

[@CyborgNinja442]

@@Shabriri69 indeed it is. For those that walk the path, the abyss is our only comfort.

[@CyborgNinja442]

@@ceomusic7 abso-lutely

[@IamAliveTv]

@tyler durden I plan on doing a shaman guide within the next couple of weeks

[@ceomusic7]

I am AliveTv thanks for your time!

[@geneabrego9759]

on the topic of which race to choose, Undead also has Cannibalize which i use while leveling as an out of combat mana regen technique. a few life taps and then use that on a mob. same thing with first aid bandages. after a fight use a bunch of life taps and then bandaid that s#it! Leveling a lock on a private server right now, level 57 and having the time of my life :D

[@Scrumpchwrap]

Absolutely insane

[@Agostino9226]

Damn, this is some amazing content! You’re an incredibly skilled host, and this is an amazing guest 100000% subscribing, thank you for the help!

[@Rohirrim009]

Played warlock from vanilla for 4 years European Server Not NA Server.. Did all the raids got all the gear and then quit in wrath of the lich king. Cant wait to get back into my warlock build again. Great Video. Reminds me of the good old days. Its been many years since i played WoW. LOL going though all the gear options brings back memories of me having some or most of them.

[@Elrion9]

Leveling a lock on northdale right now. It def has its ups and downs. I do prefer mages but locks get a pet and a free mount so i cant complain.

[@jima6545]

Horde or Alliance? I just hit Tarren Mill yesterday

[@Elrion9]

@@jima6545 alliance!!

[@LeCharles07]

Can't... not... teleport...Tell my lock... I love her [South Park death noise]

[@tunaman44]

Not completely free mount, the mats for the quest are expensive

[@Elrion9]

@@tunaman44 40 is freeee

[@TheNEPTY]

Woot! Best series! Droooooooooooods next!

[@codeboy_henry]

Dude your channel is fire thanks

[@brandonhinkley1106]

these videos are so insanely informational, thank you

[@Kalameeto]

Apply curse Spam sb 15/15 naxx

[@GameSpieler123]

I can beat that with Mage Spam FB 15/15 Naxx

[@alexisfougeres6549]

GameSpieler123 nope

[@deaconsyxx322]

You mean apply curse -> wand

[@rudy1999]

@@GameSpieler123 Fire will be way better spec in Naxx

[@alphaomega938]

And we’re not even in BC yet!

[@ezcoreg759]

U4 best interview imo, really enjoyed.

[@Oakbard]

Great video. Alive maybe isn't much of a PVPer but is there a chance of doing a follow up that is Warlock PVP focussed? I don't raid but I love PVPing and a spec/gear/strategy in depth video for Warlock PVP would be great as it is a massive topic.

[@markblaze4909]

i got you. I win every single fight leveling against every single class up to a few levels higher than me. never lost ever to anyone. Here is how: open up with 2 shadow bolts when you sneak up on stupid noob. talents leveling: go 5/5 corruption and 2-5/5 suppression. improved life tap is good too. then get 8 in demonology for your imp void walker. go 11 in destro asap because SBURN is your key to PVP. you are going to always move as you cast corruption and agony and sburn. either towards or away from target. Towards shamans, mages, druids cause they run away like pussies. vs hunter at level 40 you can Howl of terror hunter and his pet. get living action potions, invisibility potions. ALWAYS have healthstones. death coil makes warlock super easy at level 42. its like gg. you can use it to follow up with fear against melee classes. use void walker and sac him. i like to go 11 points in demonology so you can do a fast cast void fear recast void then new sac. use fear and bandades. always get first aid to 225 asap and buy the best heavy runecloth. bandaid is very good. Always use spellstones vs casters. it will give you like 25% more health in a bubble. watch out for dispell classes they will fuck you like shamans priests they can remove your shield. dont waste time with drain life. its total shit, only time you use it is very situational as a filler. vs another warlock fear is most important. also banish their pet void or they will sac it. when void is CC/banished it can not be sac. SBURN is key. you can do two per fight in pvp. takes 2 soul shards. always have a shit ton of shards for the pvp. cause after a pvp fight you need a new void walker, a new healthstone, maybe a new spellstone, and you burned 2 shards on sburn. thats 5 soulshards. always kill EVERY SINGLE PLAYER YOU SEE. know where the graveyards are and time their time to get back then gank them again. always expect an add player and be ready to fight again. always move away from other mobs and off roads cause other players will show up. and in vanilla, you can kite- run away its all about positioning. make sure you macro /laugh and other emotes to piss off the noobs that you kill. again- not a single class that can kill a good warlock. i never ever die to anyone as i level and i KOS everyone. also vs players on mounts. you can open with fear, open with seduce or if you really have to use death coil. after the dc you fear. you can kill them before they dismount or run away if you do it right. not a bad idea to life tap a bit to look weak so they dismount to fight you cause they are morons and dont realize you are going to own their ass.

[@TheB0ssHunt3r]

@@markblaze4909 Yo thanks for the tips. On a fresh server would you immediately pick up Engineering and Mining for the PvP stuff like goggles and grenades ASAP for profs? Or something else? Would it be more efficient to buy potions you need with cash off the AH? Or rather to roll herbalism and alchemy instead?

[@zepho100]

@@markblaze4909 Are you playing horde or alliance? I'd like to play lock on Alliance, though its at a disadvantage for sure.

[@chogan73]

@@markblaze4909 That all works but what happens when a rogue opens you, LAP's don't come cheap especially levelling when you won't have access to those herbs.

[@markblaze4909]

@@chogan73 living action potion.

[@TheSickdeathfiend]

thank you for these awesome and informative videos man. Keep it up. I can't wait for classic

[@Spottswoode]

Damn you Tips Out, just when I don't have any urge to play classic WoW you go out and release this video. BLIZZARD PLEASE RELEASE CLASSIC!

[@traceon8507]

When he gets deep into describing the raid attack breakdown of spells you can really tell that he knows what he is talking about lol.. shadow this demonic that corruption this.. I'm so interested in rolling lock now. So much more to manage but sounds fun

[@Psychodorf]

I am pleased to see that most of what i've done in my own time on my warlock back then was more or less correct :), Nice vid

[@graceybfrg]

I don't understand. Did he play in actual vanilla or only on various private servers?

[@LeCharles07]

Man, the way he talks about it, Blizzard should give this dude a doctorate in WoW (or at least a masters). Sub earned.

[@Heliess69]

I loved imalive's reaction to the BoSalv comment, such a polite guy. Great guide, lots of great information, immolation oil and HF combo is a great idea I hadn't thought of, that and many more, thanks guys

[@JasonJFly]

Do a shaman deep dive, loving these videos

[@Nitrotaylor13]

Thanks so much for the content Tips. I'm so hyped for classic. I've been out since Cataclysm, but I'm all in for classic. I just hope I can find a good guild with decent people. That's what I miss most about this game.

[@ntrib]

In 1.12, are you still able to Sacrifice your Demon and have someone resurrect the Demon & retain the Sac Buff? Not sure what patch they fixed that in.

[@elxokas]

Hey tips! Will you do one with rogue? Love this content by the way!

[@TipsOutBaby]

elxokas Absolutely bro! That one is next 😉

[@amberleaf42069]

@@TipsOutBaby very hyped for this, I was actually just about to comment saying wtb rogue interview xd

[@chrischris8481]

Perplexity? POG

[@amberleaf42069]

@@chrischris8481 I mean he doesn't play the game rn, I mean he's good but.. I'm pretty sure he only pvps, not really a pve player

[@DimitarSpiridonov]

@@TipsOutBaby Please do Warrior! I wanna know how to go about tank and fury at the same time.

[@TheAntonergud]

Super tryhard tip: If you speedrun, you can spec into demonic sacriface with worldbuffs on. Sac a succubus and spec into another spec. You will have about 25min of +15% shadow damage for a tryhard speedrun in MC or BWL. Cost 100g, but worth it if you're going for the biggest damage possiple

[@minkles1330]

Can't wait to get my gnome warlock on for classic.

[@stevecrowe1489]

Can’t wait for the priest, undead priest all day!

[@bhiei]

Guys knowledge is awesome

[@SlingshotFooty]

I like how he had the leveling spec completely memorized...then had to remember the raiding spec..or at least make sure it was right. This guy loves warlock if he can recall that leveling spec and the order!

[@86Rive18]

These are so good, man. Keep them coming!

[@BlackMant1s]

More power leveling videos please! Also class specific grinding strategies if applicable !! Love you Tips! the best

[@phizzle777]

Locks were a little meh early on. But around AQ or so they are amazing. DPS is great in raids. For pvp i rolled full destro and would shit on almost anyone. Most of the time you could shit on 2 or 3 players at once tbh. There was just so much control with a succubus and fear. I was over 100K HKs in vanilla.

[@Fyrlink]

phizzle777 cant wait for this in classic 😁

[@dazgodbold]

Back when you had to actually consider different schools of magic and think about different factors.

[@Robin...222]

this is easier than what is in retail.

[@patrickp4175]

1:27:37 there it is, we got it! Gamers rise up :D

[@giantqtip]

I love that tips just blew up out of nowhere

[@zadien8409]

"The mob is almost dead, you realize you don't have time to cast another shadow bolt, so instead, you'll cast a searing pain" - good commentary on classic wow. He changes his spec so that he has a higher chance to crit on a spell he might cast occasionally for no reason but to increase his damage dealt on a mob less than three seconds from death.

[@tankerock]

Question: 1:01:05 He says if you have 300/300 engineering you can activate the 3 piece bonus of the Bloodvine set. How is that possible? I don't understand.

[@Goorlel]

he meant tailoring

[@tankerock]

@@Goorlel - But that doesn't make sense either... why would 300 tailoring automatically grant you the 3 set bonus? Crafting 3 "bloodvine" pieces grants you the set bonus. You can buy them off the AH, don't need either profession.

[@Itsjumbomuffin]

Keep up with the new deep dives man, it’s about fkn time to come up with a new one :(

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

1 fun thing i may do is on a pvp server for classic is let loose a doomguard in goldshire

[@Demiurge13]

thats always fun to do to any alliance zone

[@joannalittlejohn6740]

Just started watching you and I love your voice 😆

[@soafcore7220]

The recent patch notes for the classic beta has it so that imp drain soul can proc even when the warlock is not the one to kill it.

[@Almareaver]

Though I agree with 99% of your guide I have to say that Cataclysm beats Suppression or improved searing pain and that DS/ruin gets stronger during Naxxramas: Place 4 talent points in cataclysm and 0 in Suppression. A shadowbolt that costs 355 instead 370 will make you lifetap less (with mana regen and ms aproxx 1/12). A lock will use ~17 shadowbolts ~3 Corruption ~1 curse during a single BWL or MC bossfight. During AQ/Naxx era cataclysm is more profitable as shadowbolt lvl 10 costs 380 mana and life tap becomes a pain during some bosses (Princess Hurhuran etc) . However, as our fellow lock mentioned, we gonna have to deal with tons of adds/trash in AQ. So my suggestion is, you take those 4 points and place it right into Intensity - Pyroclasm. Not only you would be able to help tanks & healers by stunning the trash BUT you gonna increase the raid dmg in general ( that long corridor between 3rd and 4th boss >< )

[@saurlex1368]

Good deep dive. I leaned a few things I didn't know. Keen foe classic, still not sure about what class I'll roll.

[@vascocordeiro4512]

What about pvp?

[@TheGreatHeeroYuy]

I used to sacrifice void Walker in vanilla for the health regen. T2 had 6 health regen. And used a trinket that had regen, lifestone. I never really died, not as much dmg as destro succ with fears and charms but I was able to survive more.

[@IceyBlast5747]

can't wait for druid deep dive

[@asambi69]

Would love to see some test raids with All the cards stacked in the locks favour. Shadow curse, SP Shadow mastery, RL allowing a small amount of dots, Salv if on alliance etc etc.

[@klasky123]

Great guide! Is Imalive's BIS list available somewhere?

[@zanheda1200]

These are awesome can we get more deep dives?

[@BackwardsN1]

Tips , student of the game , love this video. Great work

[@georgeegerog4175]

One racial not mentioned is Humans get reputation quicker, it is nice when getting zandelar rep and battle ground faction rep

[@davedunks4647]

it is nice, but after the rep grind is over you are no longer benefiting from it, whereas a gnome will always be benefiting from the increased int and engineering

[@KarrarJwang]

i did play warlock as twenky back than in classic . this time i will make warlock as main.

[@Azralynn]

I mained lock in late vanilla, I really hope that we get felguards again... LOVED my felguard demo lock build in pve/pvp.

[@dargorwarrior]

Felguard is not in vanilla, i think is tbc

[@arohk4415]

Here is my quick guide to Warlock in classic, you skill 30/0/21 , do a curse and spam Shadowbolt, sometimes Corruption too if there is enough room for dots. Done.

[@arohk4415]

@@Agrippa91 i dont understand what you mean, are you talking about Dark Pact? , that talent did not scale with spell-power in classic and was useless, you take the 10% Shadowdamage from affliction and the 100% increased crit damage from destruction.

[@markblaze4909]

@@arohk4415 no dark pact is 31/0/0 and with it you can't get ruin which is 0/0/21

[@markblaze4909]

dark pact works for leveling 50-60 as resource pool if you key bind your torment.

[@felnarunderskater6214]

Would shadow mastery and demonic sacrifice be viable with a solid perminant 25% shadow dmg inc (ignoring destro tree) on paper it should work but never played vanilla, started in bc but raided in wrath

[@asambi69]

Your Shadow bolts won't crit for much, as you miss the most important talent Ruin.

[@jaymarshbank3862]

SM/DS is a perfectly viable endgame farming/Alternate raid damage spec. Its a less gear dependant spec than Ruin specs, When Farming as SM/DS you actually sac your voidwalker for the health regeneration. So you. Run around and dot up about 5-6 different mobs at a time and between 5 different ticks of siphon life, and VW regen you get so much life back, you lifetap a few times. The only amount of down time you will end up having with this spec is the time you have to wait for whatever you're farming to respawn.

[@BasedGamer1]

Love the guide! Hoping for a paladin deep dive one day!

[@CarrowMind]

Instant like and favourite. Warlock is my favourite class and I already know that I'm gonna love this episode!

[@nvidia290]

Lol tip has no idea around The warlock tree

[@olov244]

no, you're supposed to tell people warlock's suck in vanilla, so there will be less of them. I mainly rolled sm/ruin back in vanilla and early tbc, I didn't raid past mc on my lock, mainly did dungeons. I'm looking forward to trying ds/ruin this time

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

lie to everyone so you can have a better time. gtfo democrat sjw pos.

[@olov244]

@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 oh look, a conservative snowflake who can't take a joke. go get some preparation h for that butthurt

[@chick3n5kin]

Does anyone know if the Limited Invulnerability Potion works in Classic like he mentions at 1:07:20? Where while immune you're unable to generate more threat? Or if you continue attacking you will still continue to generate threat?

[@Manuel-qt7pf]

what is he saying at 1:13:52? "If you have two of 'em up [and a pi?], do a shadowburn."

[@Benji594]

Tips great vid, looking forward to both mage and priest ones! keep the videos coming, looking forward to playing classic!

[@joannalittlejohn6740]

I think you are so freaking awesome !!!

[@mr.anderson9842]

Wow! Thanks for the insight!

[@AlwaysAstral]

Great video with a lot of information.

[@Bdubsy]

Looking forward to pally deep dive, Esfand??

[@Ethriean]

A great Interview! I like this So much. Do you plan another Interview for a deep dive for mages with hin?

[@GnarlyBolt]

guys you didn't suggest any offhands for BIS

[@Jessias]

When are we gonna see a rogue deep dive? really excited for that one :D

[@TipsOutBaby]

very, very, very soon! Its the next one :D

[@Jessias]

@@TipsOutBaby if you don't get perplexity to do it i'm gonna be very dissapointed in you :P

[@noaherbaugh3054]

I am leveling with a Soul Link demo build since I have fallen behind on leveling thanks to work. At 60 for PvP and solo I am looking at a 7/32/11 with one point tbd. And i want to try a 0/30/21 Master Demonologist/Ruin build for raiding, having the option to run 20% threat reduction seems rather juicy to me.

[@luke_9648]

Im Warlock and this is the best fckin guide ever, very helpful!!! Thank you so much Tip and Alive!

[@davidlangham5335]

ive seen warlocks pull a 3 pack of knolls in redridge

[@daalyberjah8364]

Little Tip : you should let your guests do the Talent three, it feels like you don't know what to do when they tell you which points to put in it. He (and others on other videos) is explaining stuff on a talent you'r mouse is not on, so we can't understand clearly. Easy feedback Love the content Thanks hope to see you back on classic!

[@emberalus2229]

What the hell is this guy doing with his talents?! Increased mana on your PET! above improved healthstone?! It's a minor thing but that doesn't make any sense... I also think affliction is wayyy better also for solo leveling, you don't really need your voidwalker's taunt to be better early on as your Dots take quite a while to remove threat from your voidwalker anyway so his taunt ability is already effective enough. And there's just so much better talents in affliction for leveling so I really don't get why you would take useless talents like fel domination early.

[@markblaze4909]

+ you are very correct. i support your post.

[@chadd.9119]

Gnome warlock here...should I go gnome or goblin engineering for PVE?

[@anthippo91]

Is the bloodvine set worth making once you hit 60?

[@MaMaximillian]

yes, but it won't be out for some time (ZG release)

[@kevinforrest9874]

"You don't really have enough time to multi-dot" when referencing Molten Core. Is this still true even after you revealed that private server boss armor coefficients were jacked up?

[@Daymjo]

I didn't get there yet, but you can't dot in MC. There's a debuff limit of 16, there's no way your guild's gonna give you 4 of those :p shadowbolt all the way

[@01jaredg]

I forgot the old raiding scene and our locks loving when I tanked (Druid/tbc) because they didn’t have to hold back

[@wladiweck8469]

Will there be an updated Guide from the Beta?

[@michaelangio]

how do you level engineering the most effectively? should you take mining and skinning while leveling, then drop skinning in order to pick up engineering, then use the mining mats to level engineering, then drop mining to level tailoring after holding all the cloth you've acquired? how do you maintain the mats required for engineering without mining? Auction House? seems like you would go broke if you just buy everything on the AH. Also, which branch of Engineering are you supposed to go into? Goblin or Gnomish?

[@beverlywhitman303]

use alts to store the mats you get wile lvling, or ah the mats and buy them back latter but if it's a new server you wont be able to buy them back for the same price engineering only requires a set amount of mats to lvl and build the items you want, soon as you have enough you can drop minning.

[@eric6378]

These guides are amazing. You have to do Mage!

[@NVMiele78]

priest guide soon?

[@alexjacobs2080]

ive played since launch and its just now seeping in how much better these trees were, rogue ftw >:)))

[@Ardenup]

who is he? lol never seen him around

[@alexisfougeres6549]

Are dungeon set 1 really pointless? (I mean i guess the point is that you can upgrade them later on but is that all?)

[@stefenleung]

can u elaborate a little more how spell damage or shadow damage affect life tap and spell rank for effeciency? mostly on leveling, and I think at about 45ish we can actually get some spell damage gears.