Classic WoW Advanced Shaman Guide 1 of 2 (Stats, Weapon Buffs, Coefficients, DpME/HpME, Totems)

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Defcamp & Melderon TV

Defcamp & Melderon TV

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@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Click "Read More" to see Timestamps and Errata. Slides available at: drive.google.com/open?id=1mkM9osebqWXWKdJhr8CkhcWa7tcK0ZMlmNdzr7h9KBA Data spreadsheet available at: drive.google.com/open?id=1pdL6F2iziFyBl_VHRSsiuFvY6T05bMdGRiIXG2ZbqMk Timestamps: 00:04 - Introductions 00:45 - Stat Contributions 02:08 - Example Calculations: Spirit and Armor 03:14 - How to Determine Weapon Upgrades 04:37 - Hit Caps and Shaman Racial Stats 06:36 - Other Things to Consider 07:00 - Introduction to Spell Coefficients 08:54 - Example Spell Coefficient Calculation 10:25 - Shaman are all about Choice! 11:08 - Calculating DpME and HpME 12:41 - Shocks 14:29 - Earth Shock 16:18 - Flame Shock 18:10 - Frost Shock 19:33 - Weapon Buffs 22:00 - Rockbiter Weapon 23:58 - Flametongue Weapon 25:02 - Frostbrand Weapon 26:44 - Windfury Weapon 28:13 - Introduction to ANOVA (Analysis of Variance) 29:48 - ANOVA Example 31:48 - Average Weapon Buff Comparison 33:48 - Weapon Buffs across Weapon Speeds 36:53 - Reviewing Previous Results 38:01 - What Matters when Choosing Weapon Buffs 41:16 - Lightning Spells and Abilities 41:48 - Lightning Spell Talents 42:17 - Lightning Bolt 43:45 - Lightning Bolt Low Rank Coefficients 45:04 - Chain Lightning 46:41 - Lightning Shield 48:33 - Healing Spells and Totems 49:14 - Healing Spell Talents 49:41 - Healing Wave 51:12 - Healing Wave Low Rank Coefficients 51:42 - Lesser Healing Wave 52:12 - Chain Heal 53:53 - Healing Stream Totem 54:54 - Fire Totem Stats 56:04 - Advanced Totem Mechanics 56:26 - Earthbind Kiting 59:10 - Totem Twisting Introduction 01:00:02 - How to Totem Twist 01:01:44 - Totem Twisting Benefits 01:02:21 - Totem Twisting Discussion 01:05:01 - Breaking Even with Mana Spring Totem 01:05:50 - Shaman Tidbits 01:09:32 - Other Shaman Content 01:10:49 - Conclusions and Interesting Links ***** ERRATA: Elemental Fury DOES increase the critical strike damage bonus of Flametongue Weapon and Frostbrand weapon to 100% 19:33
@DarknessReaver
@DarknessReaver 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, I never knew we had all those anti-rogues measures, and I was positively surprised that the FB Weapon buff finally got the love it deserved! Shamans truly never stop to learn... It will be hard to raise the bar even further than this amazing guide Defcamp & Melderon TV, keep up the great content!
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
@@DarknessReaver Thanks so much! Yup, no one ever talks about FB. I'm going to use it more now!
@Zutraxi
@Zutraxi 5 жыл бұрын
Things like spell coificient and stuff of that nature, is it tested on private servers? The wording makes it sound like we are not sure of things exactly, meaning we tested and found some approximate. But classic is so different, I heard some people had forgotten that bosses had different armour values compared to private servers where bosses have a universal value. And I have heard private servers have had to fiddle with a lot of things because they missed the base data, such as coificients and how the spell damage applied to stuff like regrowth with two separate components.
@terrificlife1576
@terrificlife1576 5 жыл бұрын
51:42 i dont understand... from the graph i ca see the Lesser is MORE EFFICIENT....HPME for rank 1 is 1.66 and for Healing wave is 1.56....
@stuff4812
@stuff4812 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you still look at this video but theres a part where you say the ghost wolf can proc your weapon enhancements. this is not true in the live classic version of the game. You may have said this in an updated video but that's a lot of searching lol
@Hafaechaes
@Hafaechaes 5 жыл бұрын
You're completely smashing the notion of "We know everything there is to know about Classic". To me, this is what a proper guide looks like. It's super nerdy and has a shitton of math to sink your teeth into, it's long and arduous yet very fulfilling to plow through and thus completely representative of the Vanilla spirit. I love it. You can be very proud of yourself!
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you
@dokstrange6891
@dokstrange6891 5 жыл бұрын
This was known info back in vanilla. In totem section, you show GCD 1.5s, but I'm pretty sure it was reduced to 1.0s (for totems only) by the time 1.12 came.
@Nerobyrne
@Nerobyrne 5 жыл бұрын
Came for the Shaman guide. Stayed for Statistics 101.
@PlatinumWoW
@PlatinumWoW 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, I just got schooled by the Def and Mel boys... Great in-depth guide guys! If you plan to play a shaman this is a must watch!
@Rykenwolf
@Rykenwolf 5 жыл бұрын
Additionally for ghost wolf, makes you a beast, meaning you can't be sapped by a rogue (no longer humanoid - great for guarding pvp flags), but can be subject to hunter's Scare Beast fear. Rare but has happened to me!
@Drooper99
@Drooper99 5 жыл бұрын
I assume then you can also be hibernated by a druid? or no?
@MrHupo
@MrHupo 5 жыл бұрын
@@Drooper99 yes you can
@antoninjanku3358
@antoninjanku3358 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is so cool! :O
@Johbe1110
@Johbe1110 5 жыл бұрын
Additionally you can't be mind controlled by pesky ally priests to jump off the moving boat in ratschet. Always stay safe bois
@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe
@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah mon i'm the beast
@phatboi716
@phatboi716 5 жыл бұрын
My dude, this is so big brain its insane. I was struggling with which class and race combination, and after watching this ive decided on an orc shaman. Good shit my dude.
@BestWafflesEUW
@BestWafflesEUW 5 жыл бұрын
Going elemental troll shaman. Want that haste :3. See you in azeroth my dude
@Roachsnoozethinksboutit
@Roachsnoozethinksboutit 5 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite piece of classic WoW content ever created. You should be ready proud of how this turned out.
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you. High praise
@lenslo223
@lenslo223 5 жыл бұрын
As a shaman player for 8 years and who only plays Shaman alone, I had a complete refresh of the class by this video. Thank you!
@winsause555
@winsause555 5 жыл бұрын
order of operations? me not that kind of orc
@Williaem00
@Williaem00 5 жыл бұрын
you peon!
@Blargshark1231
@Blargshark1231 3 жыл бұрын
Just wait til you get to the rockbiter vs windfury vs flametongue analysis
@Gajada-_-
@Gajada-_- 5 жыл бұрын
Was very shy to go into classic wanting to play a shaman but after watching this you’ve convinced me that it’s gonna be a fun and versatile class with potential in every aspect of wow, thank you.
@shtev2218
@shtev2218 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, bringing out the STATISTICS! 10/10
@janekgreen
@janekgreen 5 жыл бұрын
I knew those statistics lectures will be useful in life 😁
@outlandergoods5706
@outlandergoods5706 5 жыл бұрын
You guys rock, I absolutely love to see someone dive SO deep into my favorite class across so many videos. I scour the internet for stuff like this about the shaman. Keep it up gentlemen. Nice work.
@Sleepyjackable
@Sleepyjackable 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty dope that you gave a huge shoutout to everyone at the end. Really cool guide, I'll have to watch it a couple times to absorb all this info!
@Misteradams1
@Misteradams1 5 жыл бұрын
Default --> Baseline is the word you were looking for, I think. Excellent guide. I don't even plan on playing a Shaman and I still watched it. Just fantastic.
@edwardelric4427
@edwardelric4427 5 жыл бұрын
Finally! I waited so long for such a comprehensive and detailed guide like that. Can't praise you guys enough for all the effort you've obviously put in this! That's just insane and such a generous gesture towards the WoW community. Big thanks from Germany!
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Bitte!
@Vapir87
@Vapir87 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service Melderon! Always keeping me hyped for Classic!
@imreantalfy6817
@imreantalfy6817 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. WOW! As a data scientist which just recently got into vanilla, i came here for some answers, and then got an ANOVA model. This is legendary
@EuanTownsLindroos
@EuanTownsLindroos 5 жыл бұрын
This is the best wow guide I have ever come across. Convinced me to play shaman in classic after lots of indecision. Also made use of the stats papers I did at uni. Thank you so much for all the effort you put into your guides they are so helpful!
@kaspertheut5708
@kaspertheut5708 5 жыл бұрын
Really got me hyped on trying to apply for raiding as enhancement shaman dishing out the Totem Twisting like a proper melee support - thanks for this awesome guide!
@AD-uw6bd
@AD-uw6bd 5 жыл бұрын
This is by far the most thorough Class guide I have ever seen. A+.
@cosmiclightning1695
@cosmiclightning1695 5 жыл бұрын
Little late to the party but just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to make this guide! I planned on rolling shaman as my main in classic and this guide is so very useful and informative.
@Stratoshev
@Stratoshev 5 жыл бұрын
I feel so proud that I started doing shaman kiting with earthbind by myself. It was an amazing discovery and could not find guides talking about it :P. That was like 8 months ago. The process was the same... after lvling a Warrior and kiting with Harmstring... I suddenly realized I could do the same with my favourite class.. the shaman
@JonteTheMoose
@JonteTheMoose 5 жыл бұрын
In awe of how much work must've gone into this. Really enjoyed watching!
@classict.j.1311
@classict.j.1311 5 жыл бұрын
Melderon, you absolute monster. This video is everything a shaman player needs!
@zachd7695
@zachd7695 5 жыл бұрын
If you divide X by y and add in the coefficient of 13 and multiply that by 13 then divide the PEMDAS method of X and Y congrats man you just gained +1 sub
@ThedangdiggityKeough
@ThedangdiggityKeough 5 жыл бұрын
Incredible guide for all of us shamans playing classic. Good work.
@nostepsnek1776
@nostepsnek1776 5 жыл бұрын
I was about to mention that windfury synergizes with flurry and if it didn't pull ahead on those tests it must mean it was using flurry but still didn't pull ahead. Then he mentioned it in the video, well done sir. Another note, lightning shield damage causes spell pushback to enemies casting on the shaman. Ghostwolf is susceptible to hunter's scare beast.
@ClaudeLeGOAT
@ClaudeLeGOAT 5 жыл бұрын
First time viewer, just wanted to let you know that I greatly appreciate the efforts and the quality in your video. Definitly going to watch more of your content and share it with my WoW related friends. Keep it up, great fucking video!
@trendkillcfh
@trendkillcfh 5 жыл бұрын
Shammies aren't really my deal but great info man, would love to see a full breakdown of some other classes like this
@AleehFM94
@AleehFM94 5 жыл бұрын
This is beyond amazing. I can't wait to try the things I just learned in the game and realize that I just suck!
@typicalzen6149
@typicalzen6149 5 жыл бұрын
GUYS this is Retadinftw! I was listening to Ep 91 and Defcamp mentioned me and my comment/video about leveling in SM for 20 levels! OMG guys that felt amazing hearing my name being shouted out omg thank you!
@gerardadri9389
@gerardadri9389 4 жыл бұрын
I never expected to see SPSS show up in my hobbys. Great presentation, much appreciated.
@VictorAraujo17
@VictorAraujo17 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing job, Meld! Probably the best guide for shamans on KZbin. It's a pity that don't work to me because i'm a alliance player hehehe Keep doing that great job, brother.
@Lizard1582
@Lizard1582 5 жыл бұрын
I was unsure of rolling a shaman, but now i'm sure i'll be making a shaman once classic drops.
@Pytliczello
@Pytliczello 5 жыл бұрын
At level 52 you taught me that I can use Grace of Air Totem while leveling so you have my attention master💪
@Blargshark1231
@Blargshark1231 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the statistical analysis! Very impressive
@MagGi41
@MagGi41 5 жыл бұрын
Wow - tuned in while eating and really had to watch the entire guide. Very informative and very well presented accordingly. Thank you for putting so much effort in this guide.
@gatherer8053
@gatherer8053 5 жыл бұрын
Haven’t played shaman ever, caught end of BC raiding, and got server first LK 10 on server, never played anything but Hunter & DK and Feral Druid. I was really considering a caster for classic. Glad to know I’ll be a enh shaman smashing faces and totem twisting my way to AQ thanks to this guide!
@aussierule
@aussierule 4 жыл бұрын
Damn this is really really good information I cant find on any other video. Im trying to level a Shaman seriously as the class really resonates with me. I play a holy priest which is great but man I should have rolled shaman from the start. I didn't think it would feel this good in Classic. Can't wait to start raid healing! Thank you for all your videos. This one and the 4 hour shaman masterclass especially.
@theyos88
@theyos88 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, didn't expect to run into ANOVAs again after Uni!
@illbean1337
@illbean1337 5 жыл бұрын
Love the video, some small notes however from the information that i've been able to gather myself through reading online and talking to other (assumably) knowledgeable players. 1. Lower SpellCoeff for the LB ranks 1-3 is beacause of the x silence. She can target the searing totem if placed correctly meaning that u save ur team from quite a lot of hassle. 7. Purification (resto talent) only provides it's bonus heal on the base spell and doesn't take healing+ into account, making it less usefull. Jst something to keep in mind. 8. Healing Way (resto talent) can be provided by any shaman in the raid, meaning if only 1 shaman has it, all others gain the benefit (just like Winters Chill). 9. While DPSing as Enhanc in raids, Frost Shock is the shock to use (if u're using any at all) as it stacks with mages Winters Chill 10. Pretty sure u mentioned this in the totem guide, but if i remember correctly it wasn't clear enough. Grounding Totem soaks up targeted spells on u or on nearby partymembers. This includes Poly + Counterspell. However, if the totem doesn't take damage, it will remain up and become active again after a few seconds soaking up ANOTHER spell. (felt this needed to be emphasized) 11. Eye of the Storm procs from getting critted, that means (atleast on LH and Nortdale) that u can force crit by sitting down to proc the effect, remains to be seen on classic as some people have argued that crit procs should only happen while standing up. Last but not least, i've always been a HUGE shaman fan, always will be. I'll be maining shaman in Classic, gonna level either tank or slow 2h with EB kiting til 40 where i'll swap to ele (most likely) and then finally raid as Enhanc shaman using Nightfall (despite people looking down on it and using NF Hunters as a counter argument). Again, thanks hella lot for providing all of this information (despite knowing 95% of it already), it's always super interesting to listen to and follow and praise u for sharing all of this with the less knowledgeable players.
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
1.) I've heard that as well, However, there is no penalty for Healing Wave Rank 4 which is learned at level 18. 2.) Good point 3.) Yeah I should have mentioned SS in here somewhere 4.) Yes, horrible wording yet again. I wonder if they will fix the tooltip 5.) I think GW is best to run down targets and players or to just get certain things done, like you've already mentioned 6.) Ah, excellent point! I did not mention that. I'll be sure to do that next shaman guide! 7.) Yeah figured that, good clarification though 8.) Excellent point I did not mention! 9.) WoW! Yes! 10.) Yes. I tried to explain this in the last guide but it may not have come across very well. Thanks 11.) I think we have confirmation that this will not be coming to Classic. But, yup, great point!
@vladudrea9747
@vladudrea9747 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, and people say they make advanced guides in 13 minutes.
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
I could have shortened if but I felt I'd be doing you all a disservice
@vladudrea9747
@vladudrea9747 5 жыл бұрын
@@DefcampMelderonTV Don't you dare, it's amazing as it is
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
@@vladudrea9747 thank you :)
@illbean1337
@illbean1337 5 жыл бұрын
@@DefcampMelderonTV Yea, if anything, it should be longer but spit into multiple videos.
@sildinis
@sildinis 5 жыл бұрын
I believe the level required (spell level as opposed to spell rank) is also a component of spell coefficients. This would be why your theory vs tests coefficients vary so much, and seem to vary more the lower the spell rank is. Thanks for the detailed analysis and guides. I find the data on weapon enhancements to be especially interesting. Interesting that in a world of min-maxing we have something that essentially only differs in flavor. Very cool.
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Apparently it has something to do with spells that are learned below level 20 having lower coefficients.
@sildinis
@sildinis 5 жыл бұрын
@@DefcampMelderonTV I'm curious if there is a scaling coefficient difference between rank 4 (the earliest 3sec rank I think) and the highest rank (whichever one drops from AQ). Is this something you happen to have tested?
@emarskineel
@emarskineel 5 жыл бұрын
Wow so much I didn't lmpw about my favorite class, thanks dawg
@mojotmn
@mojotmn 5 жыл бұрын
This is the best guide I've ever seen. Thanks a lot, mate! 👍 Million likes
@fandabidozi3191
@fandabidozi3191 5 жыл бұрын
Well done guys, great video. I wish someone would go into this level of detail for priests.
@DrTempesta
@DrTempesta 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best wow video i've ever seen.
@cohans124
@cohans124 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best stats class I have ever taken! :)
@TheWouch
@TheWouch 5 жыл бұрын
This might be the coolest video on the internet. Thanks
@impcus2752
@impcus2752 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, I am historically an alliance player but want an interesting Horde alt for classic, and I decided Shaman would be a good challenge. This video has proven extremely useful in helping me figure out how to go about that. All the best
@gfefe74
@gfefe74 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome guide, this and the other shaman related ones from you guys. Just for those who don't know yet two months into classic, the earthbind kiting, hamstring kiting etc. doesn't work in classic. Blizz must have felt that it is sort of cheating or at least an exploit so they intentionally stopped it from working. The second time you come back to hit the mob, the slow will just fall off of it.
@killsticktdn6762
@killsticktdn6762 5 жыл бұрын
Some stuff I want to point out/ask your opinion on: - While leveling Flame Shock actually needs 3 ticks to consistently beat Frost and Earth Shock (whichever is the best alternative at that level) in DpME. - Flame Shock is indeed your highest damage shock. However the ticks, which make up the larger part of Flame Shock’s damage, can’t crit. So high crit builds with Elemental Fury might might want to use another shock. - While leveling Lightning Bolt is still your most mana-efficient spell (after ofcourse a Searing Totem with enough ticks) if all spells are untalented. Only Lightning Shield can pass it if you talent Improved Lightning Shield. - About Searing Totem; while the full duration DpME increases each rank, the DpME of each single tick actually drops each rank! Meaning you need to get more hits out of your Searing Totem at higher ranks to pass Lightning Bolt (from 3 hits at rank 1 to 7 hits at higher levels) - Whats your opinion on using R1 Frost Shock to melee kite at higher levels? It has a fixed cost vs the percentage based cost of Earthbind. It also adds flexibility vs having to kite mobs to your totem which does add up if you are killing hundreds of mobs while leveling. - Are you sure Lightning Shield cannot crit? - Are you sure all weapon enchants can proc in Ghost Wolf? I only remember the attack power from Rockbiter effecting me in Ghost Wolf. - Could you check out this post I made about the interaction between Windfury and Flurry (procing and consuming the buff)? www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/a22wf0/windfury_and_flurry/ - While leveling to check if Strentgh of Earth or Grace of Air are worth it to drop you could check how much damage you would do if you had used that amount of mana on Lightning Bolt. - Magma totem has a slightly smaller range than Fire Nova totem. - DpME isn’t everything. You should always take the DPS of your spells into the equation aswell. - If you are going to do another leveling guide I would be more interested to see more emphasis on rotations rather than talent builds. I think you did some weird things with rotations (Chain Lightning on 1 mob without clearcast), gear (Elemental set wasn’t maxed on spelldamage), talents (no Convection in Elemental build) and gameplay (backpeddeling, idling while mob is coming you instead of casting or running to the mob, recasting and long kiting to totems) I think pre 40 you can pretty much just theorycraft it. We don’t have spelldamage items or the DpME of higher level spell and talents so killing mobs with just spells (full Elemental) is just not going to work. So you will still mostly melee. However we still have mana so we should use it. And we can just calculate what our most effective spells are (Searing, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Shield). Pre 30 I would always get points into Elemental first because Enhancement just offers so little damage increase. After lvl 30 respec, get full Flurry and the other juice talents. At level 40 we can go Elemental (buy all the spelldamage gear you can). Lightning Bolt spam +/sit is the fastest but very expensive because you need to drink to keep up the speed. You can also do a heavy frontload build of Elemental where you do a very heavy pull and finish the mob of with melee. For enhancement there is still Rockbiter vs Windfury. With Stormstrike I feel Windfury should pass Rockbiter because you can chose not to cast Stormstrike if your first melee hit on the mob proced Windfury. But still apart from Rockbiter vs Windfury; what spells do we use? Does Stormstrike make Improved Lightning Shield good? Does the use of totems slow us down because we have to kite mobs to them? Do we use Searing Totem at high level if mobs die fast? Looking forward to the revisited leveling guide.
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Wow there is a lot here. I'll do my best to address everything. 1.) Good point, 3 ticks is a good clarification instead of all 4 2.) Another excellent point. Frostshock will probably be best in a raid type scenario due to winter's chill 3.) Thanks also an excellent point, however I don't think most enhance shaman will be using LB, so storing damage in LS, in my opinion makes it more mana efficient as you get a few ticks of mana between mobs usually while its up 4.) hmm. interesting didn't realize this 5.) That's a great point! Also, this way you could use SoE totem as well. I'll need to test this out 6.) In all of my testing, I did not see it crit once (maybe it will in Classic) 7.) Yeah I checked them all. (as with the previous statement, maybe someone has it wrong) 8.) As far as I can tell, additional hits from WF do not consume flurry procs (at least on the server I used) - we will have to wait for Classic to see. As far as I can tell, everything MwHighlander stated in that post, I can corroborate. 9.) Yup, that's a good metric 10.) Ah, interesting. What are their respective ranges? 11.) Oh absolutely. I merely calculated them to display the uses for each spell and why they are specific to certain encounters. Also, spell power has huge implications on DpME and HpME which I will be covering soon 12.) all good points that I will take into consideration. And i will do my best to address them all. The whole stormstrike + LS thing I think will not work in Classic. Meaning I think that LS will remove the stacks of SS. Also +sit will not work in Classic so I will not be testing that. Let me know if there is anything else you feel I missed
@killsticktdn6762
@killsticktdn6762 5 жыл бұрын
3) If you are talking enhance I’m taking that as a lvl 40+ build in which case you are right. Pre 40 is always hybrid because you don’t have Stormstrike to use your mana on. In this case Lightning Bolt can/will/should always be used to pull. 10) 10 yards for Nova, 8 yards for Magma 11) Indeed. I always cringe when people state that you can only play Elemental from 40 because of talents. Enhance is the same. The best talents are low in the tree and SS lets you play mure melee. But if you invest in a proper spelldamage set which only becomes available at about lvl 40 which gives you 64 +spelldamage the DpME of your Lightning Bolt suddenly goes up by 20%! That together with the increased DpME from higher level spells and talents makes elemental viable. Another nice thing about Lightning Bolt is that you get new ranks a lot faster than most spells and that the raw mana cost is low compared to shocks. So you can really finetune how many you want to use. 12) I think the whole point is to let Lightning Shield consume your Stormstrike buff (I hope it will consume it and get the benefit and not just delete it). If /sit doesn’t work in Classic I wonder what the fastest way to play Elemental will be. Heavy frontload (always) + Staff RBW and melee kite or + 1H FTW and facetank or kite to cast more Lightning Bolts,…
@theshaman4918
@theshaman4918 5 жыл бұрын
great guide. i main shaman since 04 and this was a great refresher for classic! thanks a lot
@Tricegames
@Tricegames 5 жыл бұрын
Never played shaman in vanilla but you got a sub man this guide was amazing
@jarofpickles4057
@jarofpickles4057 2 жыл бұрын
47:46 Randomly watching this video years later and this tip totally just blew my mind haha. I'm leveling a shaman currently and really haven't been using lightning shield at all, since it's felt kind of awkward trying to keep it up. I'll definitely be integrating it more from now on.
@knightrandal
@knightrandal 5 жыл бұрын
This was a great video. Thank you very much. Definetly need more theory crafting on shaman.
@Jive33
@Jive33 5 жыл бұрын
Please make an advanced guide just like this for every class. It’s all I want for Christmas
@evereststrength
@evereststrength 5 жыл бұрын
Wow man - crazy nice guide. I can imagine the time that went into this and gz on an amazing accomplishment and sweet job to everyone assisting you, we can do so much more when we work together, well done melderon
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! And, yes collaboration just makes us all stronger
@phyrr2
@phyrr2 5 жыл бұрын
I remember in Classic when people thought enhancement/agility focused Shamans were pointless. Everyone just assumed you did things a singular way. They had no clue.
@ZblockWoW
@ZblockWoW 5 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. I can’t wait to play Vanilla again 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@Killzun
@Killzun 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of time and good work invested in this guide. It is truly much appreciated! Thank you.
@mikaelrusin1596
@mikaelrusin1596 5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the base stats - I had been looking for these. Was hard to make a cohesive overlay - predicated based off of Race, without a level 60 Snapshot. I have begun works at refining a form of Spreadsheet simulator - albeit, my field is rogue - I still did enjoy Shamans in Vanilla. Thumbs up, man.
@sven849
@sven849 5 жыл бұрын
amazing job man, this is high level information and very clear and concise in its presentation
@clydeliverpool5096
@clydeliverpool5096 5 жыл бұрын
Wow that is alot of info thanks will probably roll a shaman in classic wow haven't played wow in over 7yrs.
@adventuuresofalifetime
@adventuuresofalifetime 5 жыл бұрын
this video deserve 1 mil. views! all that stats u did..its absolutlely demential. +1 sub.
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro!
@bud1683
@bud1683 5 жыл бұрын
kudos on the statistical analysis
@MrNikomadsen
@MrNikomadsen 5 жыл бұрын
Best headache I ever aquired!! *applaus*
@MrOrmanley
@MrOrmanley 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting concerning the weapon buffs. Some open questions for me: 1) What about overkill? While windfury maybe be overall producing similar numbers to the others, it proccing at the later half of the fight is sure to result in a lot of lost damage, creating inefficiency. 2) Windfury produces more hits in total, creating more opportunities for crits => more flurry uptime => more hits in the same time period (similar to how faster attack speed hunter pets are preferable for bm hunters for better frenzy uptime). That said, those extra wf attacks consume flurry charges as well, right? 3) Continuing from 2), do fast weapons have that added benefit of higher flurry uptime if they also consume it faster? Putting all of these together, would there be benefit of choosing a fast 2h with windfury for lots of flurry and less overkill? Would result in more damage taken with EBT kiting tho.
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
1.) Excellent point that I really didn't talk about. I'll be sure to bring that up in newer vids. 2.) Windfury additional hits do not consume flurry stacks but they can proc it. 3.) Faster weapons have more chances to proc windfury per unit time but since they have low top ends, it evens out. So yeah, faster weapons have less of a chance to overkill. all great points
@MrOrmanley
@MrOrmanley 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Were your imbue comparisons based on base skill values, or did they include a certain amount of gear/buffs? RB/WF benefit from str/ap and agi/crit of which we see plenty in the form of Strenght of EarthTotem/Grace of Air Totem, gear bonuses, potions and class/world buffs (battleshout/furious howl/true shot/leader of the pack/mark of the wild when leveling with friends or doing dungeons, world buffs like or call of the dragonslayer (assuming you leveling a shaman later on)). FT/FB on the other hand scaling of caster gear, I imagine, see much less damage increase outside of talents, considering the scarcity of spellpower/spellcrit on gear or in class/world buffs. Aside from spellpower being rare, the imbues gain little damage from it too, so I imagine that the better gear you can scrounge together during leveling, the further RB/WF will pull ahead.
@saw141
@saw141 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely incredible guides. You work so hard, thank you.
@Loon65
@Loon65 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't think we could get even more in depth but you achieved it! Learned a lot from this...I will utilize it in my travels. What you found out about the weapon buffs is interesting and frostbrand did more then I had once though too! Aren't Shamans great?!
@DefcampMelderonTV
@DefcampMelderonTV 5 жыл бұрын
Yes! Yes they are
@TheVirvar
@TheVirvar 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this amazingly in-depth guide. Keep up the good work
@markrainey1042
@markrainey1042 5 жыл бұрын
Great Guide! Keep up the good work! Would love to see a video with your math breakdown explaining the Earthfury set with an emphasis on the 5/8 and 8/8 set bonuses. I had this set on Lightbringer and found it to be extremely good.
@pave3883
@pave3883 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the in depth information. Awesome video.
@lukewilliams1024
@lukewilliams1024 5 жыл бұрын
absolutely smashed this. job well done. thank you for putting in the time and work to put this out. can imagine it was many (hundreds) of hours!
@khairulaimanradzi5430
@khairulaimanradzi5430 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Was wondering, have you ever tested weaving between 1h and 2h based on flurry procs? Eg. Using 1h/shield to fish for crits (with more frequent attacks) and proc flurry and then swapping to 2h WF and swing with the increased attack speed from flurry.
@jeffsmith8066
@jeffsmith8066 5 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for this!
@Black_Kakari
@Black_Kakari 5 жыл бұрын
best shaman video ever made
@crepinette10
@crepinette10 5 жыл бұрын
Bro, the detailled info you explain, the numbers you give, everything is so damn interesting but damn... When you started talking about ANOVA and statistics you implemented into the guide, I think I jizzed a little :/ It's a pleasure to see that some people use R to do stuff like that ;) Congrats for that amazing guide
@vkp11220
@vkp11220 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I learned so much 🤯 Liked and subbed and coming here for my wow classic info from now on!
@sulik682
@sulik682 5 жыл бұрын
Just ran into you two on (private server which shall not be named) Keep up the good work!
@indieklem
@indieklem Жыл бұрын
This is a high quality guide. Thanks.
@ssccoottiinnoo
@ssccoottiinnoo 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic guide! Thank you so much for making it.
@RichardsPoV
@RichardsPoV 5 жыл бұрын
Great guide, thanks! But what professions are more beneficial for shamans while leveling and end-game?
@Jedicake
@Jedicake 5 жыл бұрын
Just a phenomenal guide. Has taught me so much.
@CyborgNinja442
@CyborgNinja442 5 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to put it out there that I appreciate the hell out of this video. This is top tier quality classic shaman info, and that's coming from a guy who mained a shaman in a raiding guild back then. Lot of stuff I still didn't know in here! Also, do y'all have plans for guild and community come classic? I'd love to be in your guild, killing allies and leveling.
@sheadon01
@sheadon01 5 жыл бұрын
Some people think i'm insane for wanting to be an Enhance Nightfall bot, but I'm prepared and dedicated to the roll, if I add in totem twisting, then no one could refuse me.
@MrGoogle87
@MrGoogle87 5 жыл бұрын
I played enhance shaman mostly during vanilla since start, never heard about totem twisting! Great video, really want to see this for warrior aswell a video like this guide.. !
@paulryan6428
@paulryan6428 5 жыл бұрын
good stuff, thanks for the info I love the raw number data
@ceomusic7
@ceomusic7 5 жыл бұрын
This was awesome. Subscribed. Shaman forever man
@DESOUL3003
@DESOUL3003 5 жыл бұрын
Problem with kiting 101 is that mob attack range is higher in classic than it was on private servers so you can't really do it effectively. You still get hit almost all the time.
@meatmarathonmuscle
@meatmarathonmuscle 5 жыл бұрын
Loved twisting totems for my melee group in vanilla WoW. I chose shaman because I was just coming off of Everquest and shaman was the closest class I could play to a bard. Twisting on shaman was easy after twisting 3 to 4 songs on a bard.
@stardog1337
@stardog1337 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive guide. Thank you.
@Seig_CC
@Seig_CC 5 жыл бұрын
wtf, just discovered your channel and iam speechless about this video. Definetly subscribed!
@Hauwnted
@Hauwnted 5 жыл бұрын
Enhance main here, thanks for the video.
@SebR78
@SebR78 Жыл бұрын
You do a really nice job, thanks so much for that work.
@ksiazykgregoire767
@ksiazykgregoire767 5 жыл бұрын
Really good, i did learn some tiny things ! The thing that blew my mind was the DPS comparison between weapon buffs ! i... never thought of this, i was like WF all the way xD You really did an amazing job. Maybe i will succeed at convincing my guild to let one enhancement shaman enter the raid (me o/ me o/ me o/ !) with your videos. I told them about totem twisting but... meh... "NoOoO ThE bEsT sHaMaN SpEc Is HeAl AnD NiGhTfALl Is BeTtEr WiTh HuNtArD gna gna gna"
@argusroth3269
@argusroth3269 5 жыл бұрын
Man can't wait to play my troll shaman again
@Russianbot7
@Russianbot7 5 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Metrognome110
@Metrognome110 5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible for Healing stream totem to proc “Ancestral Healing”?
@OrcForge
@OrcForge 5 жыл бұрын
This is incredible. FOR THE HORDE!
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