Classic WoW Doesn't Need Nostalgia | Melderon Reacts

In this video, Melderon reacts to ‪@AsmonTV‬ reacting to a video by ‪@J1mmy‬ on why nostalgia is not the driving factor for Runescape's success. Melderon applies this same argument to Classic WoW, debating Asmongold's stance.
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[@DefcampMelderonTV]

What will I react to next?

[@bstoker9468]

You should react to your first group podcast with Chimmley and stuff about getting hype for classic and talking about how things turned out heading now being in Cata!

[@ChaosPeoplePodcast]

That's a really good idea ​@@bstoker9468

[@kalena7126]

OMG PHILLLLLLLLLLLLLL!! I'm so excited to see you upload content! Much love to you & yours! Say hi to Matt for me & Mommacamp too!

[@gcstroud]

Some feedback, take it or leave it: I enjoy react videos more when it’s just one person reacting. The “conversation” bounced around a bit too much and at times got repetitive with asmon and future J1mmy also reacting to the J1mmy video. I think I’d enjoy the flow more if there were a few less narrators next time.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

@@gcstroud Good point! I wanted to counter Asmon's points on this but yeah I can see how its distracting

[@chrispeng5502]

My first wow expansion was Cataclysm, the nostalgia kept me three days in the Cata classic lol

[@xzBorn_]

Love this. Exactly the same for me. It's paints such a clear picture.

[@mufasafalldown8401]

If you can't acknowledge that things used to be better you will eventually end up at the worst possible outcome. Reverting to a better state to erase bad decisions is not NOSTALGIA.

[@Blackbaldrik]

49:00 Since you don't play the game, you have no idea how dang funny it is when Asmon paused on freakin' Chambers if Xeric of all things, so he could say it's the same old game. Chambers was OSRS's first Raid, nothing like it had ever existed before. It was utterly unique in both appearance and gameplay from basically everything else in OSRS. Literally the most out of the comfort zone thing OSRS had ever done up to that point. And that was *years* ago. We've got so much more now!

[@llwonder]

Jimmy made a great reaction to Asmon. Hoping it turns into a good discussion online. Glad to see another video from you. It's been awhile. Nostalgia only gets you to dip your toes in Classic WoW or Oldschool Runescape. Nostalgia will not keep players playing. It needs to offer new experiences. OSRS was so desired over RS3 because it was simply a better game. People did not want the old game because it was nostalgic, they wanted it because it was genuinely better.

[@Tobez]

Man, so pumped to see a Defcamp & Melderon video pop up on my home page. Miss chillin in Def's streams during classic and the HC saga. The TBC beta key giveaway where we did that MS Paint contest which was hilarious. I saw Defcamp pop up in a Diablo 4 stream the other day and it immediately just made me nostalgic for just a few years ago lol, just layers of nostalgia. To your points on "the human interaction sandbox" you are spot on imo. During classic, my GF and I found a guild met some people we are still friends with today and we played every day. It was only when our guild fell apart right when AQ was dropping that everything changed. I switched to playing SSF HC, most of my guildmates/friends stopped playing. Then I thought I was gonna no life TBC since it was the when I started in 07 but, none of the old crew was playing so I gave up before even hitting level cap and went back to SSF HC in the vanilla version. It was a lot of fun but nothing matches when you have a solid community of people to play with and raid with.

[@szneka12]

Watching an interview with one of the vanilla class developers was enough for me to see the fundamental difference between old-school (good, passion-driven) game design and modern (bad, greed-driven) game design.

[@szneka12]

Kevin Jordan is his name I believe

[@xzBorn_]

100% agree with you. It's so obvious. Seeing a couple Kevin Jordan-interviews makes you understand what differentiates original WoW from what Retail is now.

[@mufasafalldown8401]

Gonna make it simple... nostalgia is candy corn on Halloween. We love seeing it but nobody eats it... People don't stick around OSRS and WowClassic because of nostalgia. Asmon is digging in on his position out of stubbornness and maybe for content.

[@timtimini7641]

I think the catch all argument is, "Going back for something better will be filed under nostalgia." To revert a change, is to take a nostalgic action, seems to be the applied sense.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Love this metaphor

[@Caligulove]

Hell yes. Glad to hear you and Defcamp are doing well. Please send him some love for us

[@andrethyst905]

This was a fun listen, and it'd be fun to listen to you reacting to Jimmy's wow video!

[@drschonify]

So happy to see you are alive.

[@kiliandjfilms]

Nostalgia is the largest part of the reason we got in to osrs. But its only a small reason to stick around. New positive experiences is what keeps us in. When i boot up osrs today, i do so because i know it will make me have more fun, than anything else will in that moment. Being able to keep finishing things we never got the chance too, because updates took the game we loved away from us.. those are the things that keeps us in long term. The fact that it is a very unique masterpiece of a game is what keeps us coming back.

[@tannji5971]

Mel, so good to see content from you again! I was hugely nostalgic for Classic WoW, But playing the game that made sense and felt better designed is what got me to make the huge committment to join the Super Guild, let alone stay as long as I did. (ignoring the rewarding chance to play with You and Def, and others.) Dating that high maintenance, super-hot girl in high school was all well and good, but no amount of nostalgia would send me down that road again... Please react to that WoW vid Asmond referred to, sounds like good fodder (tannji/Azaezl-Priest)

[@xzBorn_]

My main counter to nostalgia as an argument is that the first time I played "original" WoW was in 2019 with Classic WoW and I immediately saw what made that version so incredibly good as compared to Cataclysm (and beyond) which is where I first played WoW. The game design is completely different after just a couple expansions. It's obvious. Original WoW is a timeless GREAT game.

[@Killerwins88]

Love your content, glad to hear everyone is well!

[@johanlahti84]

I think Season of Discovery was/is a bad version of Classic+. What I wanted was some more quests, a bit more Dungeon/Raid content and a FEW QoL things. Not "Cataclysm lite". It has removed all that classic is.

[@gcstroud]

Yooooo thanks for posting, I’ve missed your videos.

[@yenyiskhan]

Miss u man. You should go back to classic HC. Ive personally played in Europe in Victory and was a f*ing blast

[@timtimini7641]

We need an in-kitchen episode, highlighting Chefcamp and Melderon's gourmet cooking skills.

[@chrisnorman2992]

Yoooo, good to see ya back

[@szneka12]

Asmons argument is like saying that people love Star Wars New Hope because of nostalgia. Meanwhile it's INFINITELY better than ANY new star wars movie.

[@tokialofti1140]

Good to see you again Melderon, might even say its nostalgic ;) But what do you think about Turtle Wow, i've had a great time on that server!

[@Alienshroom]

Vanilla World of Warcraft has good group and raid content but one of the main reasons that it is still going strong is actually the fact that you can level one to 60 entirely on your own and farm incredibly valuable resources in the world to sell. There are more than plenty of BOE on the auction house and plenty of people find interesting ways to play this single player. Sure they still interact and that makes a difference but they don't have social or group obligations when they log in even if they do have some good interactions they are progressing solo.

[@whenisdinner2137]

The development of wow in its earlier was just undoubtedly one of the greatest games ever made. The standard of wow content has just fallen off

[@kalena7126]

It's so funny to hear you say "if Blizz announced a new fresh Classic Era launch, they'd need multiple servers" because there is a (fairly large) movement in the Classic community that wants fresh right now - a couple thousand and growing. So much so that there is a community-driven "fresh" experience on Classic era Deviate Delight RPPVP server. It's had its share of ups and downs (don't ask), but it's actually thriving. And, we know we have Blizz's attention we asked that the ability to transfer onto the server be turned off - and they did it! As a community, we report bots to try and curtail that activity. It's been fun, but I sure do miss you and Defcamp. Again, good to see you! Keep uploading, I'm excited to follow along. =)

[@Agrippa91]

Welcome back Mel!

[@ZeroDimes]

Are you guys playing on Deviate Delight by chance

[@Rakyr]

I hate how certain classes feel, specifically mage and warrior and other classes got busted runes however the really great thing about SOD is the fact it is casual friendly which open the game to more players who don't have enough time. I think i would have preferred SOD to be like classic with a faster levelling speed and added content onto classic wow.

[@Ultraone-x9o]

I literally went back to wow to classic vanilla for the rhokdelar bow. I never got the part I needed in molten core as a vanilla raider and when I was guaranteed to get it the priest item always dropped. BC expansion came out and I quit. I came back for LK quit again after that expansion never even heard or thought of transmog in the future so as a vanilla raider I never got that bow experience until classic. Classic came I got the bow now I only care about that hunter and not my retail one. Now if blizzard ever gave vanilla MC raiders who did original content the chance to do hunter and priest quest again I would go back.

[@Babaganoosh69]

Agree with Melderon and J1mmy here. Commenting specifically on both Halo 5 and Infinite; they are considered garbage jokes... They were flashes in the pan with little to no staying power. Those games play into the nostalgia argument. Lots of people rush in and play them early but it falls off because the quality isn't there. Hell I'd argue that most Modern WoW expacs rely on nostalgia to get people hyped up to play them more than Classic does. Melderon, your nostalgia vs quality analogy with getting people to knock on the door of a party vs staying there is very apt. edit: also Asmon latching onto Brighter Shores and using that as potential proof of his nostalgia argument is just so wrong. Brighter Shores is going to succeed or fail on its own merits. One of the things the creators are aiming for is to minimize grindy gameplay which is something that OSRS really leans into at the behest of their players. I dunno, I think he's completely barking up the wrong tree even talking about Brighter Shores

[@ksherman51]

Do you still do the podcast about the neuro stuff

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Yes! Search for @chaospeoplepodcast

[@ksherman51]

@@DefcampMelderonTV Thank ya! Glad your back

[@jessesutherland3811]

good to see our shaman guru again

[@timtimini7641]

We need a "Camping and Stargazing with Defcamp and Melderon." Bring out your science looking glass...

[@HushHushOG]

@31:00 reddit and the official boards are a testament to why voting is a horrible idea for a classic+. Classic+ needs 1 designer or a very small group with a unified vision of what classic+ is.

[@mortenholm100]

Some of us played wow since vanilla, and i played with lots of people who felt like me, the game went south after Wrath and Mist of Pandaria. Then many moved to private servers to play vanilla wow, and when Blizzard released Classic and they promised no changes, many went there. But even the no changes Blizzard fucked up, and i think we will see more move to private servers again. I love the 40 man raids and the guild experience wow vanilla brings to me. And i will relax and keep killing KT over and over. Looking forward to next pve private vanilla server, because Blizzard cant figure it out. Its not Nostalgia, its a great game Thx for a great video and nice to see you back.

[@volusinus]

I always love you and your brothers videos! If making videos is makes you happy please do and we can enjoy you doing what makes you happy! Cheers 🎉!

[@thorbeorn4295]

I'm one of those who love the idea of Sod and classic plus. But they indeed went overboard with it. 5-10 runes per class MAX should've been it. Not fvcking, what we have now? 30+? LOL

[@magicc1204]

brighter shores is not the same game though, it may be based on runescape, but it is still different in a lot of ways too, that i don't think many OSRS players would like. brighter shores seems a bit closer to "retail" runescape, than OSRS also, not very much of the content we currently play through at any point in OSRS, was made by the original developer (andrew gower), who is making brighter shores. you'd really have to rerelease runescape without runescape ever existing lol

[@katmannsson]

I definitely wouldnt give anything to go back and play it for the first time again because the first time I played it I was bored and thought it was dogshit and this endured for several more exposures lmao

[@krumlord9343]

Runescape had one update that changed everything about the fundamental game mechanics and ruined a lot of basically "twink pking accounts". A decent amount of players didnt like the change and wanted that single update reverted. Jagex refused so they petition and polled but unfortunately only had a back up for 2007 so we took that since we dont have a choice. But 3 months to get osrs released after that update doesnt make it nostalgic if you just want your game to be like it was fundamentallly

[@CLTaylor311]

YO

[@canes4ever162]

Did he ever watch the WoW video?

[@whenisdinner2137]

it's simply that the old game version is better. It's that simple.

[@johanlahti84]

EU zandalar Tribe Classic ERA for all you Nostalgia seeking people! We are playing, Come Join us!

[@sveborkrcelic5965]

Vanilla is wholesome. It's a world where everything matters and everything has its place and its weight. It is an eco system. I love Asmon, but just like so many ppl already, he lives in a universe where it's simply not possible for something old to be better than new. What a silly argument.

[@CG12321]

Regarding Asmon’s point about the polling system and your idea of “nobody knows why classic is good”, if you polled classic players they would lobby for worldbuffs to be removed. They’re annoying even for someone like myself who actually enjoys them. They take a lot of time, you risk losing them and wasting even more time outside of raid, and you can lose them in raid to no fault of your own. These buffs, however, are the ultimate example of emergent and community oriented gameplay. Without them the world feels empty, you’re interacting with far fewer people, there’s less to do. With worldbuffs you create stories, meet people, everything like that. People have a desire to perfect things, but WoW is a complex system. Making fundamental changes to the mechanics of a complex system like this will have a wide range of unforeseeable outcomes. Reduced interaction between people and a lack of risk associated with your gameplay results in less interesting and engaging content. It’s difficult to make changes like this, people know what they want but they don’t know or can’t foresee the consequences of those changes

[@tott598]

Its Asmons unconcious bias thinking Osrs is a bad game so it must be nostalgia. I know he says straight up he think its great because of what it achieved, but all of his other reactions are straight up disrespecting the game. Unlrss he plays it he will never get it.

[@frazerrhughess]

Heyyy welcome back