Its amazing how these two clubs early on in the series were enemies and then became allies at the end. Alvarez and Jax became really close.
@0210ronin2 жыл бұрын
This show is one of the best.... Hands down
@keithm111122 жыл бұрын
So close that even in Mayans years after Jaxs death Alvarez is still concerned with fulfilling Jaxs wishes
@junchrissnakim73932 жыл бұрын
Season 4 of mayans mc they're back to beefing again
@thatsmrtwattoyou2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.....havent watched it yet...😁
@anthonycampos80572 жыл бұрын
@@thatsmrtwattoyou it's badass
@freddygaulman54933 жыл бұрын
This was my shit when I was 13. Now I'm realizing alot of holes in this. Clays a felon, so him just pulling out the gun like its nothing in front of 2 sheriffs is pretty comical
@tracesbasses24233 жыл бұрын
I think the whole deal is the whole Charming PD is bought out. They frankly don’t give a shit, until say a fire fight breaks out in town square
@michaelspears71163 жыл бұрын
I mean, anyone pulling out a firearm in front of cops with no repercussions is pretty comical. But as the poster above said, the cops were corrupt and let a lot of things fly.
@alex213903 жыл бұрын
Especially considering he was conceal carrying in California...
@nicolas_personaltrainer3 жыл бұрын
The jacket of Alvarez isn’t completely ok. Look at his location patch 2:36
@carlkuuk49723 жыл бұрын
jajajaaj that happens in some places in mexico, a bodyguard shoots a cityzen because he was having a bad die, the police came and the police never took is gone even when this bodyguard use the gun to shoot the citizen in the knee , the police never took his weapon , that bodyguard in that mental state can shoot kids and woman in the streeth because the lack of courage from the police
@CigarKingDom3 жыл бұрын
Scenes like these remind me how critical of a character Unser was in this show. He always towed the thin line between outlaw and law abiding but at the same internalized his own emotional thin line with Gemma. And Jax too to some extent, since he looked after him as if he was his own son. What a troubled character that ended up in a troubled predicament.
@lotusmadisonson29213 жыл бұрын
Shid Unser was Sam Crow with a badge, his downfall was his highschool crush that he died for
@listrahtes2 жыл бұрын
Unser was an absolute shit cop to the max. Easy to be used and manipulated like a child by criminals . He was made sympathetic but really he was a pathetic creature as far as his policing goes.
@Ivantheterrible812802 жыл бұрын
Unser was weak and whipped. Simped over his HS crush all his life and all he got for it was a bullet.
@BD-sv8dj Жыл бұрын
Unser was my favourite character, knew right and wrong in a crazy universe.
@tootingcarmoon532 Жыл бұрын
Nah man, Unser was a massive simp. He was spineless, if you ask me.
@the_slow_s1973 жыл бұрын
Early on, Clay was a badass even if he was a subliminal villain. He wasn't afraid to get blood on his hands and sure as he'll wasn't gonna let anyone walk over him.
@anthonyperches36092 жыл бұрын
till he got opies wife killed and then killed piney himself clay became a huge pos right after opies wife tbh
@MasterSkippy1174 ай бұрын
Subliminal?? Dawg, he was THE Bad Guy. Ultimate Villain. Check Yourself.
@shem09243 жыл бұрын
You know shit's about to go down when clay is wearing that black bandana.
@2025-e4n4 жыл бұрын
They should've given Unser a SOA patch...due to all the services that he provided for them. Unser has done more dirt and deeds for SOA than the average SOA-member! But they never did....see how _unappreciative_ mofos can be?
@Snorky_884 жыл бұрын
Very true they should have gave unser a biker medal of honor lolz dude jumped on grenades for the club
@Mattraction5133 жыл бұрын
Yeah but I think that was the point (stay with me lol) when u involve yourself with gangs and your not an actual member most likely your being used in some form or fashion until they don't need u anymore
@greenmatrix30seven3 жыл бұрын
Yeah no
@Charsi_Escobar3 жыл бұрын
A cop with a feared motorcycle gangs insignia, wouldn’t be suspicious at all 😆
@greenmatrix30seven3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😀
@roberthart65922 жыл бұрын
Like how Alvarez just rides into enemies terroity like he owns the place! 🤣
@ericx74763 жыл бұрын
This show released a few months after my senior year in high school. Good times.
@nakedsnake60763 жыл бұрын
@LaCosa x stay strong whatever it is you will go through it nd reach good times again
@alejandroordonez15573 жыл бұрын
@LaCosa x gotta look at the good things in life. Whatever you going through homie , I know u can get through it
@tobe12072 жыл бұрын
The Mayan extras actually look tough
@erickaguilar21342 жыл бұрын
Probably cause they are probably ex gang members that they hire as extras on T.V. Shows and movies
@bobgil3464 Жыл бұрын
Where’s EZ?
@mibchannel8385 Жыл бұрын
@@bobgil3464 this time ez in prison.
@rob46694 ай бұрын
@@bobgil3464either prison or running the shop with his mom. Happy’s still a nomad so this is probably either shortly before or after Galindo’s wife put the hit out on EZs mom.
@XeroFailGames3 жыл бұрын
I'm just gonna say this.....I FUCKING LOVE RON PERLMAN and I'm so glad he got out of the makeup after beauty and the beast and was able to show how funny and charismatic and serious he can be
@jabronjunklove7603 жыл бұрын
He went back into the makeup for Hellboy.
@chrispile38782 жыл бұрын
You ever see him in Name of the Rose?
@tobe12072 жыл бұрын
They didn't use makeup for that or for that BC film
@fredturpentine66512 жыл бұрын
Ron Perlman is only loved by people with no genitalia!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@SUPAdetail Жыл бұрын
He was badass until he came down with DTDS
@southeastdaygo61933 жыл бұрын
My favorite show of all time
@CarnageAnarchist3 жыл бұрын
Same and Breaking Bad
@southeastdaygo61933 жыл бұрын
@@CarnageAnarchist Breaking Bad and Better call Saul are both dope
@mufradhossain92383 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest shows of all time.
@southeastdaygo61933 жыл бұрын
@Hyper jones Good thing nobody asked you🤷🏾♂️
@southeastdaygo61933 жыл бұрын
@Hyper jones Man you weirdos have no life. How are you going to tell me my opinion? 🤷🏾♂️ 2 why would you comment on a show you hate?
@HomesickVocals2 жыл бұрын
The los Asesenios de dios patch is so sick!!
@Plateno363 жыл бұрын
Clay was so perfect as the boss im really annoyed by his terrible deeds.
@shaneman9514 жыл бұрын
Tbh Soa and Mayans is like hells angels and mongols
@mr.tobacco17083 жыл бұрын
That is what they inspired from. SoA= Hells Angels even Happy and Quinn are real life Hells Angels members. Mayans= Mongols/Vagos
@greenmatrix30seven3 жыл бұрын
Lenny the pimp is sonny the founder of ha and Frankie diamonds was/is a ha too
@outtahere14563 жыл бұрын
@@greenmatrix30seven happy as well
@greenmatrix30seven3 жыл бұрын
Oohh yes him too
@jasunndakidd15313 жыл бұрын
Duhh
@0Heeroyuy013 жыл бұрын
man i miss this show
@DummyYEEEAAHHHHH2 жыл бұрын
Taylor Sheridan is a great writer... Yellowstone proved that...also Hell or High Water
@zues77062 жыл бұрын
He didn’t write any of SOA. He didn’t start writing until he quit the show.
@joeyoung69883 жыл бұрын
One of the most iconic scenes in the series i always wanted to see an all out war like the one that happene before JT was killed maybe in the mayans mc series we will see
@lucius66673 жыл бұрын
Mayan war started because clay killed the only Mexican first 9 member who was related Nd had close ties with the Mayans look how many first 9 were killed off
@Jay-ye5gk2 жыл бұрын
@@lucius6667 fr?
@jingjangchong54262 жыл бұрын
Go watch the mayans mc season 4 trailer. Your wish is now granted
@richjordan17372 жыл бұрын
Ong it’s happening
@davidrooks69272 жыл бұрын
Your about to see that war
@TasteTestTitan3 жыл бұрын
Hale was such a Captain America type like Unser said. Too ‘play by the books’ kind of police officer.
@frydza20912 жыл бұрын
Unser is the living example of "I could do this all day" when it came to trying to bust SAMCRO
@pontiacGXPfan2 жыл бұрын
he joined the army right after HS and then became a sheriff
@petedyson19832 жыл бұрын
Clay said " He's a half bright clerk with a Wyatt Earp complex"
@TasteTestTitan2 жыл бұрын
@@petedyson1983 and called him a hyperactive deputy lol.
@Mandalorian_Goblinslayer4 жыл бұрын
This scene reminds me of the Hells Angels and the Mongoles Gang War
@Mandalorian_Goblinslayer4 жыл бұрын
Beetlejuice neither it depends on what state or country it’s at
@spartanracer4 жыл бұрын
Beetlejuice overall yes but the Mongols have more territory on the US West Coast.
@csxtrain86664 жыл бұрын
It’s loosely based off them
@csxtrain86663 жыл бұрын
@Beetlejuice it was a stalemate
@michaelspears71163 жыл бұрын
@Jim Lahey Depends where. In the US they're pretty 'even' in a lot of ways. In Canada and Australia, I think the Hells Angels have the upper hand. Not sure about Europe.
@SkullstaSouthside3 жыл бұрын
EL PADRINO homie.. Wise, smart, preacher and strong man. Hes
@manojManoj-uo7hf3 жыл бұрын
Alverez Accent Is So Clean
@AlexandruOnu3 жыл бұрын
sometimes i miss clay..
@gmangman2 жыл бұрын
I miss this show 😭
@GypsyDanger5142 жыл бұрын
I really liked Alvarez’s character in Z Nation. He was almost the same guy
@adamantium49998 ай бұрын
2:24 what a ballsy statement considering there are 9 charters of Sons in California alone lol Mayans have what - three or four at most in Cali?
@pontiacGXPfan3 жыл бұрын
Alvarez referring to Dia de los Muertos then years later he goes on to star in a show about the dead
@jasondennis79052 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy sons of anarchy and watch it to this day there's just something about one thing that happened that really blows my mind you remember when Jax and Opie went looking for Darby that one of his clubs and they end up running into Alvarez and Alvarez pointed a gun at Jax, and told him to take off his cut and he said the only way you get this cut off of me is to kill me and then Alvarez proceeded to spit on his cut on his flash. There would have been no making up after that.
@sanpepe96732 жыл бұрын
Best season of Sons and I got to say I loved the last season two.
@johnjoseph6874 Жыл бұрын
Season 4 was easily the best
@jdgbjgbjgfk3 жыл бұрын
Crazy how Mayans got now if Alvarez didn't join galindo he would have everything under control now Ramos is dead new crazy ending for Santo padre
@OsamaBinLooney Жыл бұрын
Ron Pearlman always sounds like he doesn't give a fuck about what you got to say XD
@davidfarley88272 жыл бұрын
I love when clay took his first hit off the cigar and blew the smoke in the air 😂😂😂 clays badass
@trippiechris18522 жыл бұрын
You mean how you smoke a cigar? We seen it
@kevin2good4u6 Жыл бұрын
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@titolive1008 ай бұрын
He meant to Say he look bad ass smoking the cigar in his face
@lapensulo46842 жыл бұрын
One wonders if anyone grasped the fact that a Leadership role in an organization such as SOA is a bit of an oxymoron which eventually will be straighten out at the Leader’s expense.
@sweatyguysteve20562 жыл бұрын
How exactly is it an oxymoron?
@ereynolds722 жыл бұрын
@@sweatyguysteve2056 anarchy- leader
@sweatyguysteve20562 жыл бұрын
@@ereynolds72 Thanks for pointing that out, can't believe I didn't catch that.
@josegodoy84763 жыл бұрын
I always wanted to imitate Marcus Alvarez
@josephlee61036 ай бұрын
He was a cop. But he went out like a boss. Much respect.
@harrycallahan56743 жыл бұрын
SOA has to be the worst criminal syndicate to ever exist. Every step forward they were pushed 10 steps back. For all the crime they did they were constantly brok. Pathetic
@JoeSmith-dl9ok Жыл бұрын
And we should all take your word for it, criminal mastermind you are
@TommysHouseOfMunch3 жыл бұрын
I used to love this show, it's so cheesy now
@kbab33333 жыл бұрын
Very cheesy.
@marqueswilliams3453 жыл бұрын
Top 🔝 10 greatest tv 📺 show of all time
@seanwilks77123 жыл бұрын
Top 5.
@manojManoj-uo7hf3 жыл бұрын
This Scene Is So Bad Ass Two Big Clubs Face To Face
@EvilSinReaper4 жыл бұрын
If anyone does not know what that means in Spanish, it means " The Day Of The Dead"
@greysoul81093 жыл бұрын
No shit sherlock
@EvilSinReaper3 жыл бұрын
@@greysoul8109 I'm am so sorry that you are on your period. You need a tampon?
@markcoleman72463 жыл бұрын
Any askers?
@anthonycampos80573 жыл бұрын
I still dont understand why Alvarez took off the vest in Mayans MC.
@jarrettstewart18853 жыл бұрын
He said that he couldn’t ride his bike anymore losing his balance so had step down
@mattbergin503 жыл бұрын
He was getting up there in age, pain in his knees and hands. He couldn't successfully lead the Mayans anymore. He did what Clay should have done, step down when it was his time.
@choncha233 жыл бұрын
I’m guess he seen how Clay went out, and how Jax went out. Sooner or later he was going to have to make one of those decisions that would get him and his family killed. But it looks like he is stepping right into it again.
@seanwilks77123 жыл бұрын
@@mattbergin50 Don’t fool yourself, he stepped down for the money and power he gained working for Galindo.
@tonymorales98853 жыл бұрын
He had hella health problems .. but he’s now the head security guy for the gallindo cartel
@budvibes33672 жыл бұрын
Wish everyone was still alive on the show
@Flip49103 жыл бұрын
I love Alvarez hes awesome
@marioalvarezvilla24643 жыл бұрын
Mayans have better looking bikes. Sure the high bars makes them less safe but it makes them look mean.
@kenweis22912 жыл бұрын
Im gonna have to call the sheriff.... You mean the state police, federal marshals, FBI.....
@dopeyszn47383 жыл бұрын
Which episode is this?
@jjs13000003 жыл бұрын
I love this show
@DuncanMorrison-sp1uw5 ай бұрын
Another timeless TV show
@s3uoq2 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to show Clay how to light a cigar properly 😤
@KevinStanelle2 жыл бұрын
yea no kidding, you dont use a zippo to light a cigar.
@alwaysnever4463 жыл бұрын
I thought it was gonna be Clay Guida and Eddie Alvarez
@joshualawrence77852 жыл бұрын
Like how they got the street blocked off and it’s like that in real life for the film
@ryanwilliams42232 жыл бұрын
SOA would of been up there with Breaking Bad and Sopranos if it wasn't for the unlikable cheesy unrealistic Characters and poorly Far fetched plots lets not forget about that ending as well which in my personal opinion was below par.
@jayanthony24142 жыл бұрын
So it would of been up there without the characters and poor writing 😂 wtf how did this logic make sense to you my show would be the best of all time If I actually decided to make it 🤦🏽
@BatmanBurritos938 ай бұрын
I love how Clay simply pulls out his gun and the cops don’t lose their shit 😂
@aprescoups45933 жыл бұрын
Lol, the film crew in the corner
@Jonc123453 жыл бұрын
In what time
@Clipsb3 Жыл бұрын
Look how young Emilio looks. In the mayans finale he look older than Unser's actor haha
@bmrworldwide3152 жыл бұрын
My name is clay ...watch yee haw woo ...
@ryanbesco8067 Жыл бұрын
Friends becoming enemies and enemies becoming friends is the most realistic part of this show...
@keez9943 жыл бұрын
The few tv shows where I wasn’t really rooting for anyone.
@jeromewilliams76292 жыл бұрын
Man clay was the most ruthless of all the members
@crystalsswtor37602 жыл бұрын
True but then he lost everything anyway. he should have let the blackmail go through one ear and out the other. He may have had to be uncomfortable for awhile, but he wouldn't have lost everything.
@CharlieSheensTigerBlood3 жыл бұрын
I found Angel from Mayans MC back there tho :)
@yourwannaberockstar3 жыл бұрын
Where?
@CharlieSheensTigerBlood3 жыл бұрын
2:10-2:12 behind the guy with the skull bandana
@CharlieSheensTigerBlood3 жыл бұрын
@@yourwannaberockstar 2:36 to be more accurate in the back by the windows
@antmikedavis3 жыл бұрын
He wasn’t a member back then
@CharlieSheensTigerBlood3 жыл бұрын
@@antmikedavis yeah he was, EZ was in Jail for 8 years. Think about when Gemma went to see Jax and that guy freaked out in the visiting room and punched the guard and Gemma called the guard an asshole. Where was Angel at the time? Making a name for himself in the MC.
@Ph6enix3 жыл бұрын
For christ sake someone tell me why alvarez didnt wear a President patch in the first 2 seasons what the fucks that about
@jingjangchong54262 жыл бұрын
Because Diaz the other founding member was presidente due to Marcus being imprisoned prior to the start of SoA season 1. even though he ran things, he wasn't made presidente again until season 3.
@cloud2o62 жыл бұрын
The Mayans always looked more badass
@nlrenzo9432 Жыл бұрын
Only Alvarez (and Diaz) in Mayans MC knew all the OG’s and the war and what happend etc.
@mattlawrence1932 Жыл бұрын
I really wish Clay would have redeemed himself in the show instead of taking it as far as he did because he is a bad ass
@cahmon3y3382 жыл бұрын
I love this show but why I cops supervising a these guys meeting right in the middle of town that's sus lol
@kandiclark44463 жыл бұрын
this what season what episode ? soa right?
@murcielagosky3 жыл бұрын
The young deputy looks to me like a young Ron Perlman.
@joecorrado43653 жыл бұрын
The young deputy is Taylor Sheridan, the writer/creator of Yellowstone
@jasonn63063 жыл бұрын
Did Clay need to relight his cigar?
@houseofpets1572 Жыл бұрын
Im still trying to figure out how tiger out lived all of them. Like he was doing some straight snake shit. Like trying to get clay to take out jax and Opie.
@peytonmartens24982 жыл бұрын
I just realized, why doesn't Alvarez have a President patch?
@mikebunting280511 ай бұрын
If clay told Alvarez about gemma getting graped. Alvarez woulda backed off. Hes a family man too he would understood
@Adam-wy5fb2 жыл бұрын
I think clay looks so silly in the bandana
@mudbath253 жыл бұрын
I think that young cop is writer of Sicario and Hell or High Water
@ColemanJRimer2 жыл бұрын
He is. He also created Yellowstone. Another of his is Wind River. If you haven't seen that one check it out. It's really good.
@t.k.kirkland89392 жыл бұрын
1) The Sopranos 2)Breaking Bad 3) The Wire 4) Boardwalk Empire 5) Sons of Anarchy
@murray1978 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget The Shield with the Strike Team. Sutter was a writer for that.
@chadchaddingtonflexington84152 жыл бұрын
So clay had a concealed carry permit or something?
@jeremychristian332 жыл бұрын
No SAMCRO just owned the Charming PD. Hence why Alvarez was searched and Clay was allowed to give his up willingly.
@sincerehoopstar4102 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment and was his glock California compliant lol
@Jay-ye5gk2 жыл бұрын
If this went down in Chicago the feds wuld b all over
@AkeoT93 жыл бұрын
This is like watching two gay guys arguing
@nutrient.-.72753 жыл бұрын
They where lucky they didn’t have the whole Sanyo Padre chapter from Mayans MC otherwise clay would have been capped by coco
@CarnageAnarchist2 жыл бұрын
SP didn't exist back then
@nutrient.-.72752 жыл бұрын
@@CarnageAnarchist nah I know I’m speaking hypothetically if they where around yk?
@CarnageAnarchist2 жыл бұрын
@@nutrient.-.7275 SAMCRO would have probably brought in SAMDINO
@kevinmclaughlin25943 жыл бұрын
Really shouldn't have killed Clay off before the last season. Should have killed him off at the end.
@jingjangchong54262 жыл бұрын
Should've had him lie to Jax about Jury, having Jax kill Jury. And when Clay tries to have someone rig Jax's Bike, Jax catches on just like his dad and kills himself just like his dad. And Clay & Tig live on knowing the truth until Abel grows up to learn of what happened to his dad and grandad
@cornpop85702 жыл бұрын
Clay is such a Greek! 🤣
@qurans.53443 жыл бұрын
Watched Mayans Mc last night and found out Alvarez and another Mayan president tried to joined SOA but and I quote “ those racist fucks wouldn’t let us join “ so that’s why he started the Mayans that’s crazy lmaoo
@anthonysmejia53623 жыл бұрын
I've seen huge shoot outs between Mongols and hells angles it was crazy the swat was there and gunshots everybwere
@nailersrule3 жыл бұрын
I went to.my ex's fathers gave with her and stumbled on 3 Hells Angles graves in the. They were buried together and the epithet read " Shot in the Back by cowards." They had been ambushed by a rival club. Hard core dudes.
@nailersrule3 жыл бұрын
This guys grave I think. The Mongols seized control of southern California from the Hells Angels during the 1980s.[323] San Diego Hells Angels sergeant-at-arms Raymond "Fat Ray" Piltz became the Angels' first casualty in the conflict when he was shot and killed in a biker bar in Lemon Grove on January 17, 1982.[423] Five Mongols members were indicted over his death, and one - Bill Michael "Mike" Munz - was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to six years in prison.[424]
@anthonysmejia53623 жыл бұрын
That's crazy , its insane to think stuff like that actually went down
@faisalalharbi.70293 жыл бұрын
Epsoide?
@rleonekc073 жыл бұрын
it sucks so bad that zobel got away
@ojgoudeau3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I was hoping they he would come back in the Mayans.
@HarryHov2 жыл бұрын
Crown Victoria baby!!
@akneegrow61523 жыл бұрын
If this scene shows us anything is that California police coddles the criminals and let's them do whatever they want.
@dbutters39273 жыл бұрын
Lol. It shows us how comical this show was.
@Patupau002 жыл бұрын
Is that tobey from the office?
@mariyarandolph72482 жыл бұрын
I wish I could have been there by your side Theo Rossi
@juanrramos88Ай бұрын
It's weird how the Mayans members doesn't resemble anything the ones that are show ok the Mayans show.
@barrykelly27223 жыл бұрын
Ron Perlman. Huh huh. Huh huh. He's a wussy. Can't even find a skull helmet to fit his jug. Badass? Nah, not so much.
@josegodoy84763 жыл бұрын
I was on the mayans side Emilio Rivera is my favorite actor and mayans mc is all about my nationality
@justmyopinion76202 жыл бұрын
How was he not arrested for carrying a gun
@anthonystonge90543 жыл бұрын
Season 1 n 2 the best
@basairrizvi78423 жыл бұрын
Show name??
@asriayudewi33542 жыл бұрын
sons of anarchy
@suhasgowda14543 жыл бұрын
Which series is this
@jslfcs66553 жыл бұрын
Sons of Anarchy.
@davejohnson34743 жыл бұрын
@@jslfcs6655 i thought it was "neighbours"?
@jslfcs66553 жыл бұрын
@@davejohnson3474 😄
@adrianbredell14462 жыл бұрын
They should never have turned Clay into a bad guy
@janm3781 Жыл бұрын
Difficult not to at that point. It was being set-up from Ep. 1. But I know what you mean. Clay and Jax together instead of at each others' throats would have been a freakin force of nature. Whenever they were on the same page they went through their enemies like a hot knife through butter.
@AlexandruOnu3 жыл бұрын
El Padrino
@hendraarighi69273 жыл бұрын
Best chapter
@GV2132 жыл бұрын
Season 1 and 2 were the best..after 3 it became cartoonish and unrealistic
@jakeh6980 Жыл бұрын
I love how clay and the rest are felons for arms trafficking, and just pulls out his piece to hand to his piece to tig right in front of cops like it’s no big deal lol
@_TwinnA2 жыл бұрын
I hate how zobel got away
@jingjangchong54262 жыл бұрын
He didn't. Look at the TV in the season 3 premiere where Gemma is in the hotel room with tig outside the hotel making sure she stays put. There's a newscast about Zobelle's plane crashing