Clearing Up The Controversy About Our Non-Profit and Kickstarter Campaign for Harsh Vocals

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Check out our Kickstarter for Vocal Research HERE! www.kickstarter.com/projects/tcvresearch/harsh-vocal-research-with-the-charismatic-voice

[@Glaaki13]

yet you are a grifter and an do this for your fame and money

[@jburt779]

@@Glaaki13are you serious

[@zippythinginvention]

​@@Glaaki13I think she's absolutely sincere about this project. Why do you think otherwise?

[@Glaaki13]

@@zippythinginvention because Iv come to know her and I was no born yesterday

[@jburt779]

No, you aren’t serious. Trolls never are.

[@Dm6Ripper]

The initial video laid the goals out very well, it is a bit unprecedented that we even need a clarification video...

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

It really is. But there's been a lot of "The Scamersmatic Voice" videos floating around since the Kickstarter released. It hurts, and it hurts our possible success of this research campaign.

[@BrianZier]

It seems that if someone doesn't trust the campaign, they can choose not to donate to it. No need to try to drag it down. Personally, I'm happy to be one of the 24h early bird supporters, being able to contribute to something most of us are fascinated by and passionate about, and am super excited to see everything that comes from the data and studies. Congrats on reaching the initial funding goal 🤘

[@specialsause949]

​@@TheCharismaticVoiceas soon as you reach a certain level of success, people come out to tear you down. Just take this as a benchmark of how successful you are. Good luck!

[@charlieghostwolf6161]

​@@TheCharismaticVoiceI've heard it said many times, in other context but it definitely applies here, that every accusation is an admission, so just take it that those who are saying that you're running a scam are those who would themselves be scamming people Keep up your excellent and important work, I know from personal experience the healing and transformative power of music 🎵🎶 Bright Blessings ✨

[@McKillaboy]

@@TheCharismaticVoice Social media is run by bots, don't take it personal.

[@vibingwithvinyl]

I'm not a backer and don't really care about the whole topic of vocal research. With that said, I absolutely trust Elizabeth to do this thing honestly and openly.

[@br3bid10]

This point exactly. If you don’t like it or get it, just don’t fund it. The people that feel the need to try to tear it down instead of allowing a person to explore a passion that isn’t harming anyone, and might assist us in getting more brutal vocalists…

[@jmr5707]

Don't be so quick to trust somebody you like. I like her, and the channel too. However, I also know that non-profit's or, 501c's (Clinton Foundation) are a great place to hide or launder money away from the scrutiny of the IRS, at least. Granted, it's starting as a kickstarter, but still... Be vigilant. That's all. It's healthy to be skeptical.

[@Yutezu]

Remember 50% of the comments are bots.

[@maxadrums]

It’s only $2 to become an entry level backer, and it helps the kickstarters immensely! I STRONGLY suggest anyone regularly enjoying Elizabeth’s content to support this even with that minimal amount. Because it’s hard to get backers, and you guys are the most important to kick it off.

[@bryantsteury8910]

That’s my thought too. I cant envision a world where she intentionally and duplicitously takes money from people. Not a shot in hell

[@CaptnShred]

The thought of this being a "scam" NEVER crossed my mind. It only takes watching one of your videos to see a passion and love for vocals (and music) that cannot be faked. I very rarely comment on videos, but I felt the need to spread some positivity.

[@TheCooderix]

Trustworthy people have been known to run scams.

[@swiftjace]

This is legitimately incredible of you to commit to. Those that say otherwise simply don't understand how much effort is being put into creating something so maasive.

[@Angelevy]

I'm so sorry you had to make this video to defend this amazing project. You are doing awesome things! Not many people take harsh vocals seriously and i, for one, am so incredibly excited for the results. Keep being awesome!🤘

[@ragingmisconseption7323]

This breaks my heart that people would twist your words. I've been telling everyone I know about this project, and I can't wait to see the results. The amount of credentials this will bring to music, let alone metal, is incredible. Thank you for everything you're doing Elizabeth, keep up up!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@djabthrash]

It breaks my heart that people present something as new and ignore all the tremendous work that has already been done by others before.

[@Amberseal]

Do you think Elizabeth is a fraud, @@djabthrash?

[@bruh-qe9ux]

@@Ambersealunintentionally, but yes

[@johnathansaegal3156]

@@bruh-qe9ux it couldn't be she's simply expanding on the research that has already been done. No, it couldn't be that at all.

[@bruh-qe9ux]

@@johnathansaegal3156 She’s oblivious af to the research that has already been done, they’re checking what cartilages are being used, superficial af stuff. And she partnered up with the worst coach on the planet Chris Liepe

[@ad9aggie]

As of publication of this video, the kickstarter is fully funded!!! It happened sometime last night! Congrats Elizabeth! I can't wait to see the results of this amazing idea for research. Keep on keepin' on, young lady!

[@wizarddragon]

Whoever is making this a Controversy Obviously doesn't watch you. You are extremely down to Earth and a very humble person.

[@darkjudge8786]

No-one is. This is all about increasing traction for her gofundme. The gofundme isn't dishonest but this vid is

[@wizarddragon]

@@darkjudge8786 Bullshit.people are always trying to stir up crap in every corner of the interent

[@jakel7213]

​@@darkjudge8786 I bet you have a lot of opinions on the "deep state" too don't you?

[@whatcouldbeupdog]

@@darkjudge8786There is one fella, but he’s rather disingenuous in his pursuit so, it’s not that deep.

[@levischorpioen]

@@darkjudge8786Nope, I’ve seen plenty of people use their own platforms to try and discredit TCV’s work. I’d name names but I’d rather not do that in the comment section of this video, but there are certain semi-active KZbin vocal reactors and voice actors who have pushed back with, dare I say, quite hilariously misguided arguments.

[@KeanuChrist]

I don’t understand how anyone could weaponize your good will against you. Thank you for everything that you’ve done for us metalheads.

[@_whatsername1911]

Bc it seems people are getting dumber by the day.

[@travisamsler6794]

@@_whatsername1911 trolls or people looking to be offended about anything. 30 seconds searching anything about this channel or Elizabeth would tell you not a scam.

[@Trepanation21]

Elizabeth (and team!), your community understands clearly the value of the work you're all putting in and laying the groundwork for. The people making this into a controversy are outside individuals that intentionally trade in manufactured controversy and clickbait, _especially_ given how popular and beloved your channel is. I think your video here was an excellent and objective response and reassurance to the integrity of the work and fundraising. Great work to you and the team providing transparency now and in the future, it'll benefit you and everybody to have your bases covered with the data and transparency. *Love your channel, love your spirit, love the team that helps share all this with us, and love the work and research!*

[@LibrarianMichael]

Thank you for doing this research. I've been disabled by long covid one of the issues is Swiss cheesed memory so I'm discovering music again. I'm in several research studies that will not only help covid long haulers but also people with alzheimer and chronic fatigue. I know how studied for one can touch others.

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

I had long covid for three months earlier this year, and it was a nightmare. It honestly came down to a variety of suppliments and eventually a Vitamin C IV drip treatment that fixed things. But my levels were all over the place. I really hope you find something that works to bring you back out of it, and that music is helping right now fills me with some joy. Fingers crossed, Michael!

[@LibrarianMichael]

@TheCharismaticVoice thank you. Im glad you're recovered. I've had it for about 3.5 years and have 25 of the 200+ possible symptoms. I had several pre-existingconditions that made it worse and got covid before vaccines were available. I'm on 15 meds and 6 supplements currently. Trying everything I can come across. Sadly, I was just denied social security disability after almost 2 yrs of waiting. On to the appeal process. If I'm ever able to work again I will donate to your research because it's interesting and important. I love watching your videos. Thanks.

[@silasakron4692]

@@LibrarianMichael Long Covid is horrible, I sincerely hope you're able to figure things out! If you've tried everything and are open to a truly out of left field idea, you could always implement a ruminant only carnivore diet to see if that helps anything. I agree, it sounds like the dumbest, most counterintuitive thing ever, that's a fair appraisal and is what I thought at first too... until I read all the personal anecdotes (they are legion) and eventually tried it for myself. I can't truly recommend it since it hasn't been studied long term, but it might be worth a shot for you. Certainly shocked me and changed my life; I have no discipline and I'm still eating this way five years later and in the best shape of my life.

[@splitimage137.]

@@LibrarianMichael Well, it took nearly a decade (because of misdiagnosis by a variety of doctors) and 3 different hearings in front of an Administrative Law Judge before finally getting SSI Disability... so don't give up.

[@LibrarianMichael]

@splitimage137. I can't afford to give up. Unlike many other long haulers I had some savings. If I don't get disability before the money runs out my health won't matter.

[@BeauCardwellReacts]

As a retired music reaction channel; your content and attitude inspire. You are simply the best there is. To watch this grow into such an amazing research cause has been an honor to witness. It is a shame you had to put this video out to clarify, but you’ve done it with such class. Kick ass, Elizabeth!

[@FlyinyourSoup]

I watched your channel Beau! Hope you're well :)

[@Crispeyy1]

It's mindblowing to think certain people say the kickstarter is a scam.. I donated with a big smile on my face. I think it's incredible how much this means to you and it truly shows, you are amazing.

[@ReelImitation]

Dont listen to those who are just jealous of your success and passion to explore what inspires you.

[@Mika-Fresh]

🤡

[@TonyNaggs]

I am not particularly fussed about harsh vocal singing, but I am a backer of your Kickstarter and excited for revelations about vocalisations & consequent benefits for all. ❤👍

[@MisterItchy]

How does anyone throw hate at you? That's absurd. ❤

[@PeTTs0n88]

In one word: money. As soon as money is (visibly, no less) flowing, that provokes some people quite a bit. 😔 Doesn't matter how noble or altruistic the goals may be, it can (and likely will) still provoke someone. Jealousy, frustration, misunderstandings... so many sides to that. :/

[@culwin]

@@PeTTs0n88 How does someone make money by criticizing this? How does it work? Are they paid in cash or is it direct deposit?

[@PeTTs0n88]

@@culwin Nah, I mean jealousy in a psychological fashion. When there's transparency so people can see the numbers and dollar signs, it's a lot easier for that to trigger. Then jealousy breeds vitriol and some just want to watch the world burn, I guess, so they drag others down with them.

[@thecaffeinequeen]

I am so sorry that people are trying to get your study labeled as a scam, or trying to stir up controversy. Some people just have malice in their hearts. As someone who has a voice disorder resultant of being isolated and falsely imprisoned as a child in a basement for multiple years (I forgot how to talk, and still have a hard time with talking to this day), and who also works with Universities to publish their academic research, I am very interested in the prospects of this initial study opening up the field of voice therapy and destigmatizing harsh vocals. Yours is a pioneering research, a first of its kind, that will undoubtedly pave the way for future studies. So, with every part of my being, thank you. FWIW i am trying to get my employer interested in donating, as publishing data and studies is the core foundation of what they do.

[@annegreen9499]

Go Elizabeth! What you’re doing is awesome. I’ve travelled around providing music & reminiscence therapeutic sessions for the elderly in care & community settings, dementia care & young people with SEN issues. Music can play such a huge role. Whether it’s simply bringing joy & fun to people, helping stimulate memory, or providing differing sensory/emotional experiences, music can play a vital role in promoting +ve mental health & improving physical well-being. It’s very frustrating that anyone is questioning your veracity & motives. I’ve followed you since the early days of your channel & I know that I’m just one amongst many who support you. I wish you every success in this & all future research you do. Much love xx

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

You're doing the good work too, Anne. That's amazing, and I'm so filled with joy to read how you've impacted so many people positively. THANK YOU!!!!

[@rshdrply]

I saw some of this blowback on IG from artists and vocal teachers in Europe specifically and their interpretation of the kickstarter information was incredibly disingenuous. I don’t know if nuance was lost in translation literally or subjectively but they were unwilling to engage with the possibility that TCV are genuine/sincere and included character attacks. The focus of their digs seemed to be on this study being ‘the first of its kind’ and that donations weren’t going to research. Watching the lead up livestreams where TCV clarified the kickstarter structure with feedback from the community, as well as looking at how 501(c)3s function and knowing how academic research in the US works (private funding gets things done) was more than enough to kick off any doubt about nefarious intentions. And all of this is online and easy to find with a bit of digging. The fact that results will be made public based on artist discretion speaks volumes about motivations. And then we also get a tonne of content. Idk. There are easier ways to scam/make money off a big audience than to rigorously explore, plan, and set up research on a niche interest that still attracts a lot of ridicule.

[@OSborneCox]

Id like to push back on the idea that “in the US, private funding gets things done.” That is just not true. Most research is funded through government grants through the NIH and similar bodies. The internet itself was funded by state money

[@levischorpioen]

They also just seemed to completely misunderstand the concept of crowdfunding. They were saying things like “1000 bucks for a vocal lesson is insane”. No one is offering a vocal lesson for a thousand bucks. You’re pledging a thousand bucks to science, and in exchange as a thank you, you get a vocal lesson for free. That’s why other crowdfunding platforms call these things “perks”, because that’s what they are: Perks of pledging a specific amount to a cause you already want to donate to. It’s such a dramatic misunderstanding of a very simple concept that I struggle to believe it wasn’t done in bad faith.

[@rshdrply]

@@OSborneCox I’m not clear on where my words imply that all US research comes from private funding but here we are. Yes most research funding comes from government bodies. That funding is still woefully inadequate to cover the number of worthy research pursuits that exist. However, plenty of research is funded by private, corporate, and NGO entities. In the case of special interests where grant (government) funding has not come through you look to them. And then those bodies then ‘get things done’, usually faster than applying for grants and waiting for them to be approved. If we waited for the government to deem something worthy of study we’d be long dead. And to trade pedantic clarifications: the internet came out of the Advanced Research Projects Agency of the U.S. Department of Defense, which is military funding. I guess TCV could apply for defense contracts if they could demonstrate military application for the upper laryngeal structures. Thoughts?

[@rshdrply]

@@levischorpioen Yes! That’s specifically what I saw in someone’s story. I messaged them to start a conversation to clarify that they weren’t giving lessons on the subject, etc, that it was all for vocal research and they ignored me and continued to post similar things. I saw the Facebook posts later. It felt like they took it as an opportunity to kick at someone they already don’t like in their space. If they’re so quick to drag someone and not engage to clarify then I give serious side eye to their teaching ethic/space they occupy in the community.

[@AggroNoobs]

It genuinely baffles me how anyone *in this space* of vocals can't be at least intrigued by what's being proposed here. Half my life I've been preaching that these techniques take time, practice, understanding and learned skills that even when mastered we do not understand and often have to use weird ways to describe how to even start to make a sound. This is extremely obvious if you attempt, study or learn these vocal styles. I have NO idea the mechanics behind some of the sounds I can make after years of practice or how someone like Dicky Allen is able to just do what he does on command. To the average listener, it's either "Just screaming" (Which we know isn't true by miles) or to the average fan, some sort of vocal magic. This is all so exciting to me and I, again, genuinely cannot wrap my head around being a fan of harsh, expressive vocal ranges and just being hostile toward someone with years of trained vocal experience, that has been introduced to this and becoming SO intrigued and swept up by the styles that she wants to move the needle well beyond "It's just screaming" for everyone. Like Melissa Cross before her, Elizabeth is doing really cool things for art and people here and saying otherwise makes it feel like you either don't understand the intention on the most basic of communication levels or you're just simply a gate keeper that feels this is YOURS and no one elses.

[@kevin6667]

June 2, 1995. I was t-boned while attempting a left hand turn by a semi traveling at over 80mph on an extremely foggy morning in Windsor, Ontario. I am beyond lucky to be here. In addition to a whole load of hurt I lost my hearing in my right ear when my head slammed against my wife’s head. I could have lived with hearing in only one ear.. but as a bassoonist and lifelong musician, my doctor knew I’d be in a much better place were I to hear again. Thank you Dr Thomas Novak in Urbana IL - he saw the potential and tried things that had never been done before and rebuilt my ear. Some of the high end was gone but over time my ears have compensated and I’ve been able to continue to work as a stagehand and monitor engineer.. mixing for BB King among others. Your research will be more important and impactful than you even imagine! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and talent! 🗣️

[@PaulBosenJr]

Who would have thought, a couple years ago I stumbled on this quirky, animated, opera singer whose reactions were so entertaining to watch as she "discovered" Metal and the complexities it offered. Now here we are a few years later, and that quirky Metal newbie is now leading the way into research and teaching with some of the most extreme voices in the genre. Bully for you, Elizabeth!

[@pedrogarciarobleto]

Keep the good work going! Do not let anything or anyone throw away your hard work and your will! This is going to be something unique!

[@owleyes07]

I can't wait for the results!!!! We support you ❤

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Thank you, and me too! Since we hit minimum funding, I've already secured lodging for this November to do the first round of artists!

[@owleyes07]

@@TheCharismaticVoice 🤘🏻♥️🤘🏻

[@tankgurl6589]

I honestly can't believe people would even entertain the thought of a 'scam' when it comes to this channel and u guys behind it all. Goes to show that trolls and generally unhappy people will find anywhere to spew venom. Luckily this community is majority supportive and we cannot wait to see where this journey takes us all. Science is history, science is present, science is future. This type of research is unheard of and so bloody intriguing. Do not stop!

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Thank you for this, Gurl! These are the types of comments that lift me back up!

[@tankgurl6589]

@TheCharismaticVoice U guys are killing it and have had a massive impact on music, the science behind voice and also so many people who come here to learn and have fun. U should be insanely proud! No other channel compares 😀

[@ryansmallwood1178]

So glad this study got the minimal necessary funding so far, the information is going to be so helpful! Hopefully the kickstarter keeps going strong and hits some stretch goals!

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Me too, Ryan. Thank you. AND, I can't wait to hear back from you on the U's report of your voice!!! ❤

[@snezeire]

I can see from some of this criticisms you received that many people have no idea what non-profits actually are and how they function. I’m not surprised but people really should hesitate to criticize something that are ignorant about.

[@edwinduisburg8138]

Oh my sweet summer child. Nonprofits actually one of the most popular places to launder money and scam people. What world do you live in? Tell me so I can live there too.

[@LuckyExchange]

I use music to help manage pain. This is how I discovered metal 💗

[@kasonglover1638]

Fun fact, Corey Taylor wrote Slipknot’s “Before I Forget” as an expression of his migraine pain! Best of luck on your healing journey, you’re not alone.

[@LuckyExchange]

​@@kasonglover1638 Wow, I did not know that. Thank you for your reply. I bet a lot of music and lyric was written based on the artists experience with chronic and disruptive pain. Another that comes to mind is Seven Sins or really anything by Ren.

[@jwr6796]

Unfortunately KZbinr scams are neither unheard of nor rare, and worse still viewers and fellow creators are incentivized toward bad faith interpretations by the most addictive currency -- attention. Kudos to you for an immediate response and treating the (unfounded) accusations seriously -- you're in control of this conversation.

[@anthonycarbone3826]

After your explanation I am sure the knowledge gained will be enlightening. Enlightenment that puts light on the truth is something that exposes the darkness surrounding us all!!!

[@peteharper3299]

You're the best, Elizabeth - haters gonna hate ❤❤❤

[@fotojt79]

It will never stop to sadden me when I see people assuming the worst of others. These people are often the ones spewing hate and lies instead of actually chosing to believe in good intentions.

[@Wyl7]

I fully believe she has great intentions. So do a lot of others that start Kickstarter campaigns. However, so many fail after raising a LOT of money because the people raising the money don’t have a clue how to manage finances at the scale of their project’s vision. Are there people involved in this with the appropriate financial management and planning experience for this to succeed?

[@Skynet666officialchannel]

Only people who trust without questioning get scammed. I cannot blame somebody doubting of anything a youtuber says. After all, they are too lazy to get a real job.

[@jakel7213]

​@@Skynet666officialchannelLol you just HAD to slip something stupid in at the end there huh?

[@richardlawrence8933]

@@Skynet666officialchannel Elizabeth is a professional opera singer, vocal coach, and video game sound designer. She has this channel because she loves music and loves to share that passion with others, not because she is "too lazy to get a real job."

[@Skynet666officialchannel]

@@richardlawrence8933 i know what elizabeth does, i was speaking in general. i never doubted her integrity. i'm just saying sometimes it is normal to question what you hear from random people online... look at the crypto scam from logan paul for example... stuff like that is constant online.

[@shawnanderson2644]

The Elizabeth Army is strong. Everyone from here ended up on a FB post defending/praising you and this work. Keep on. We got you. 👊

[@sirkat344]

Just as I said- the Charismaniacs shall overwhelm the trolls!

[@joeblog2672]

LIZ FOR PREZ 2028! On the Charismatic Party ticket! You're voice will be heard!! Ugh, ok. Enough politics. Back to music!

[@PittDaddy]

It never fails that someone on the Internet will throw shade at great projects. You don't deserve it, but we all know there will be someone out there that will not listen to the actual discussion and make up lies. Continued best of luck Team!!

[@RidireOiche]

You've been incredibly clear on what this project of yours is meant to achieve since the first video. The paranoid-reading egocentricity and crab mentality of these crab people projecting their insecurities on to you and displaying their lack of empathy and understanding is their own damn problem they should seek help for. You're a bunch of enthusiastic people trying to do good for the world and help others. That is to be admired, not undermined. But, as per usual, the crabs try to tear you down and poison the perception of your efforts because they are unwilling to see others be sincere or passionate about anything. To these crabs making the world a worse place to exist in gives them their warm and fuzzies so don't give them anything to grip on to and they will move on. Keep up the great work, Charismatic Voice and Co., hopefully your findings will lead to great things and help many people in the future.

[@CacoMetal_JackandRoll]

My dear Elizabeth, and excuse my overconfidence in calling you dear, but I've been following you for so long that I feel you are someone very close and dear to me. I'm from Chile, I'm 48 years old and I've been a metalhead practically all my life. Let me tell you that I am immensely grateful for your enthusiasm for art and science. I never thought that when I was very young and the "true artists or experts" laughed at metalheads, because we only knew how to make noise and shout, that they told us that "that" was not singing, that they assured us that our voices would be lost or broken, etc., a lot of prejudices and mistreatment that I personally experienced. I never thought that I would be an opera singer who would give value and visibility to what it really means to love heavy rock, metal and that perhaps more extreme art. I saw some malicious comments about the campaign and it also caused me pain, so I understand you, but I tell you that they will continue, unfortunately, there will always be people who think they are right and others are not, who when they see someone shine they try consciously or unconsciously to turn off that shine, that is how I understand it at least and I send you a huge hug. Although I am only one, in a very extreme country, you have all my support, I have already donated and if I had more money I would donate it too. Thank you again for your contribution and to all those who accompany you as a team today.

[@anthonyabbott2785]

Stumbled across this channel because of reaction videos to songs that I love, and subscribed because the content is a lot of fun. It’s got to be the most benign channel I know of - how is there even a controversy? I’m a working scientist/physics teacher and some of my favorite lessons have involved the intersection of sound and the physiology of singing. Really looking forward to the white paper/journal article(s) after the study!

[@brandalgo]

You are so well spoken, I'm jealous! And the editing on these videos have been top-notch! I'm very impressed by this whole campaign. Great job! Cheering for it's success.

[@williamstefens]

Elizabeth, from watching your clearly and well spoken, and your joyous positivity you share in your voice analysis videos, I would never doubt your sincere intent to promote and increase both the understanding of the human voice and overall love of music. All the best to you with your studies and increased knowledge of our most unique and exspansive beauty our human voice is able to create. Blessings, joy, and best wishes to you and your group with these studies.🙏🕊❤️

[@bobdobbs141]

You, and the teams you are associated with, are doing good work/research. There will always be naysayers, ignorance, and outright irrational hatred whenever progress or hope announces its intentions. Don't pay any mind to the chittering. (Let a legal team ride that train if it comes down to it) Just keep your eyes on the prize, and trust that you have a lot of good people out here cheering for your success. Be well, Team TCV

[@Cwin-ny6bp]

I think the degree to which you really went down the rabbit hole with harsh vocals and metal once you got exposed is frankly awesome. You basically were my intro into reaction content and actually exposed me to some cool new stuff. The idea that anyone would think this was a scam is kinda baffling.

[@MichaelLee-vw9ye]

You have a pure heart, and with that comes people that want to bring you down because they are down. Just remember that and ignore it.

[@johnbethell1952]

Some people have to spread their hate and jealousy. I never read those comments, as i am more interested in learning, and you are teaching me things i never ever thought of, about the voice

[@IRGeamer]

“The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.” - George Orwell

[@MrFlob85]

I’ve been watching you for some time and don’t know anything about the controversy, although have known you would be researching this. The research is long overdue. I’m glad you clarified for those who needed it, but am especially excited about the findings.

[@thosi1391]

Excellent work, Elizabeth and the rest of the TCV team ❤ Also, thank you to the artists and researchers that contributed to this study!

[@Lightmane]

Hi Elizabeth. I have to say, coming out with a video like this, letting everyone know what's happening, and what you're doing, is very inspiring. I really appreciate your authenticity and how very genuine you come across.

[@melll1972]

Sending love from the UK. I believe in this study, and everything I’ve watched so far has been fascinating. Keep up the great work. ❤

[@b.slocumb7763]

As a fellow research geek, I commend you! This is a huge undertaking and all the things that can be learned from it can’t even be fathomed right now. It’s going to fill so many gaps in the current data and who knows all the good that will come from it. Kudos!

[@tomratcliff3755]

Now that is telling it like it is! Thank you, sincerely, thank you.

[@MelindaMoore-m8b]

I've been a hard core fan of yours for a couple of months now. Your genuineness shines through everything you do. Your knowledge and love of music is infectious. I'm so excited to see what you learn! Support!

[@stinnekraft2653]

I love how your eyes light up when you describe the different studies and procedures.

[@GregMerritt-ws8tq]

You keep doing what you're doing. It IS needed.

[@HeavyMetalMal42]

I just found out about the study, and I think it sounds amazing, and I support you. I do have a constructive thought to share, respectfully. I'm an editor. I think a lot about language and communication. And I think there is language on your Kickstarter page that leaves you vulnerable to a mixture of genuine confusion, uncharitable interpretation, and bad-faith arguments. It says, "Could metal singers be the key to curing cancer?" That question is set in bold on a line by itself, drawing a lot of attention. There is no clarification or context for it anywhere on the page, unless you count the brief mention within the original video of "killing cancer cells" on the list of things that musical therapy can be applied to. The word "cancer" doesn't come up in writing anywhere else. Letting the phrase "cure cancer" sit there without any explanation or context is likely to make some people think that you're making outlandish claims without evidence. Now, I think you're doing great work and making admirable sacrifices out of pure passion for the subject and a genuine desire to help people. And I thoroughly understand how easy it is to find your words misinterpreted in ways you never anticipated; a big part of my job is helping people avoid that. So I have no trouble believing that what you meant was something like "This research has a wide range of potential applications, and it can also draw attention and pave the way for more studies on related topics, such as using vocal therapy to help treat certain cancers, so we should dream big about the possibilities and learn as much as we can about this understudied subject." But... It's so, so easy for someone to look at that page and think you're implying that you can cure cancer. The words "cure cancer" are right there in a rhetorical question that's clearly intended to get people emotionally invested and make them want to donate. The implication is there and it sounds unbelievable. And of course some of this misinterpretation is the reader's own baggage. Some people trust others so little that they see a scam in everything. Some love to get angry and stir up trouble. Some read everything at its most literal and most extreme with or without meaning to or knowing they're doing it. Some probably found that page randomly, had no idea who you are, and didn't even watch the video. And I think the right thing for any of those people to do would have been to reach out to you for clarification rather than immediately making a lot of bad-faith assumptions and accusations. But people are reactionary and they don't do that. So you need to protect yourself. I think it would be a good idea to edit some clarification or context into the Kickstarter page if you are able to. And I don't know whether you already work with an editor or writer-if not, wow, your grammar and punctuation and everything are great-but you might want to consider engaging additional help with watching for this kind of thing in public communications that touch on sensitive topics or invite scrutiny. And any charitable endeavor is going to invite scrutiny because you are asking for money. Just a well-intended suggestion. I wish you so much luck and success with the Kickstarter and study!

[@EverlastingSpud]

All these people had to do is watch a few clips to see how passionate you are in your work. Glad you made a clarification video for the slower people. I dont think you have anything to worry about with most of your followers

[@iamcaz]

I love seeing the progress from you just reacting to videos of harsh vocals to now doing this! Best of luck with the studies!

[@dianneantos480]

Elizabeth, a huge congratulations and thank you for undertaking this project! I like to sing, can carry a tune, yet even as a nurse, never understood all that goes into vocal sound. I imagine this study opens the scientific world into a greater understanding and need to learn more! You should feel so proud! Just ignore the naysayers! 🤗

[@bleukani5232]

I love watching your analysis and have learned so much. I am enamored by the honest joy you show in all of your videos. 🌹 keep up the good work.

[@sicksixsixsix27]

Your work is amazing, im so glad this specific theme will be more obscured, i always wondered how we growl and scream and how this works.. thank you for amazing work🖤

[@mishao3215]

I think what a wonderful study. I see this being able to pave the way also for specialists who study and treat patients with Dementia who suffer from swallowing and speech difficulties. Kudos Elizabeth, I will totally support your efforts.

[@ChrisOfEarthOfficial-]

❤ love what you guys are doing!

[@Petete003]

Eli, you are a beacon of good and humble heart in this wild internet. I would pay again even if I didn't know the purpose of the money (knowing about it, with more reason). The point is, you have our support no matter what. We're proud of you, your work and your team. Keep going!! We're going to be here supporting you guys. 🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@0oNoiseo0]

This project is amazing! we were happy to donate and hope everything goes well for u all (y)

[@andremunari3639]

Elizabeth, you've created this amazing community and that's why the kickstarter campaign is a big success. You do your work with professionalism, dedication, honesty and love. All of us can see this in every single video that you post on this channel. And it will not be different with this amazing research! I´m very proud to be part of this! All the best for you, your family and all TCV team! Always! #ForScience!

[@timcotterill3952]

Dear Elizabeth, I’ve watching your content for years & years. You’ve taught me so much about music & voice. Although I do t have the spare funds to contribute to the Kickstarter campaign, I think it is a wonderful concept. I’m stunned that anyone would question your honesty & honour.😢 You, your family, & crew are the best. You have my fullest support. 🇦🇺🎼🐾🎸👏

[@brendaerickson678]

I feel what you are working on is incredibly exciting. You have some artists so carry on!!

[@wyldchyld2]

Thank you for everything you do and don't let the haters get you down. You have so many fans and followers that always support you and your cause.

[@grizbear9519]

You are a kind soul and that shines through on a regular basis. Don't let others make what you are doing tarnish it!

[@Flagg795]

We are behind you Elizabeth!

[@jazazzaza]

I, as many others here, trust and respect you and your people. Not just with this project but your presence in the whole space is really lovely and super important . Not even from the US or anything but I know how kick starters work so yeah, just stopping by to say go Queen!

[@TheFlagnard2]

It's insane to me that anyone could percieve anything but positivity about this project. Thank you for your dedicaiton and openness.

[@Shad0w5carab]

There’s a growing trend of people being radicalised against science and it’s really concerning. Of course all research should be scrutinised, that’s the point of the scientific process, but when people just deny any kind of scientific research by suggesting it’s all some big evil conspiracy it’s really worrying. Thank you for doing this research and while it’s sad that you even had to make this video thank you for doing it so eloquently.

[@andyschnell58]

Elizabeth, many thanks for this video and the study you are continuing. I only wish more people would bring music into their lives and be better for it.

[@fredb5048]

Love all the work you do. Thank you for teaching/ entertaining me along the way

[@ghostgirl6970]

I had the Kickstarter open in a pinned tab to keep an eye on progress. I hooted and hollered when I discovered this morning that I could close the tab. 😊 I'm so proud of you and this amazing project.

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Yay! We made the minimum! I'm excited to share that I've already started scheduling the first round of artists for this November! (even though we fully funded the minimum on Kickstarter, people could get chargebacks, and not fully fund. But we're going to take the risk!)

[@Seatownstriker]

This surprised me and didn't surprise me. I hope it all goes well! I look forward to seeing what this study discovers. And thank you to everyone who is participating in this research.

[@billboyd9028]

Your supporters are with you. You know what they say, "haters gonna hate"; press on and know that the haters have no weight and no influence with your supporters..... good luck with your project!

[@digibirder]

The more you look into what Elizabeth and TCV do, the more you learn, and the more you respect what she does together with her whole community. I've followed her for years and interacted with her many times. She and her team are the real deal doing positive work. With this Kickstarter they are expanding that to more of the world at large. We need to support people like her who have the drive and courage to make good things happen for everyone. I have learned so many new things and have been able to share what I know with so many people. Elizabeth and her community has been a very positive influence on my life. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!♥

[@PeTTs0n88]

It sucks so bad that a lot of non-profits get the flak they do. As soon as money flow is visible to the public, there's all kinds of jealousy, bitterness and hate that'll fester. 😔 You deserve the success, the non-profit does and the upcoming projects deserve it too. I hope things turn out well both short and long term! All the best from this one tiny Swede! ❤

[@lohanwanoeight]

Elizabeth I trust you completely, and I'm very happy to support this research. Though not a singer myself, I am hopeful that this research will help others in situations similar to mine. Almost 11 years ago now I became a paraplegic. I am paralyzed from the chest down. Though I was fortunate enough to retain the use of my diaphragm and breath on my own. My breath control is diminished. This effects my ability to speak full sentences without running out of breath. I had wonderful speech therapist that helped me learn to speak more efficiently by being conscious of where breath pauses come when I speak. Shout out to Katie Torstensen SLP.

[@Killertomato84]

I think the amount you've raised so far speaks for itself. Just a few loudmouths with nothing better to do with their time. You a real one, and I absolutely adore your reactions and deep dives and interviews. Anyone that's actually watched your content would know how serious you are about music and the many ways humans use their bodies to make it. Rock on, Elizabeth!

[@smavtmb2196]

Elizabeth, As a long time fan/viewer I'm extremely shocked, and disturbed anyone would question your obvious integrity. Please don't let ignorant people upset you. You're amazing. A light in the darkness, for me and I'm sure others. I suffer from depression and your joy and genuine enthusiasm has never failed to improve my mood when feeling down over the years. I'm excited about the extreme vocals study.

[@lucky7-1-1]

This truly saddened me to hear the beginning of this 😢 . You have a great family and great family values and bring nothing but good things to the table with your own time away from your family . God will watch over you 🙏 and your journey in whatever you do . Before anyone should even dare throw a stone your way should look at themselves first . You are truly a gem and have touched my ❤️ heart many times and laughs and joy and good feelings . And I thank you for all you do . I'm sure those that really know you absolutely adore all you do . Keep on keeping on Elizabeth !!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️

[@Synthesizergremlin]

Genuinely so thrilled about the project and have been telling some of my friends who also find it awesome! I know you, your team, and the artists involved are doing things honestly and openly. Looking forward to your continued success concerning this research !!

[@Wilson-7676]

I donated to this project and I am proud that I did. I stand behind you Elizabeth! People have all sorts of reasons for responding with hate and I try to remember that hurting people hurt others. I can understand how the responses hurt you. I hope you can focus on the incredible response your community has given you. The people who follow your work are standing with you.

[@Egils851]

Aww, im hurt too, hearing this, ofcourse ur real in what you started, 100% backer here.

[@azMTBer]

I am not a singer other than in my car and house. I found your channel while watching reaction videos and since I come here often to enjoy you and the information that you share. Thank you for all that you share and for what it is worth I never doubt your reasons behind this project. You are passionate about it and it shows. Try not to let these others bother you. They are welcome to their own thoughts but they do not represent the vast majority of the people here. This will push techniques, knowledge, and also will create new questions to be answered. This is the heart of science.

[@valdicaster]

do not focus on haters, they will always be there to be ignored.. Cheers

[@danielmuresan6779]

I am 26 years old and this is my very first kickstarter support. Ever. This project is a unicorn, it is about the music and artists I've been listening to for years and it is one unusual way to make the genre popular, beside the "wtf is that noise" I am already indifferent about. Thank you Elizabeth for the analysis on the Cattle Decap analysis video and for mentioning Travis will be part of the research. That already convinced me before all the actual promo videos.

[@please-wake-up-now]

I totally feel you on this! It's such a bummer when people jump to conclusions. 🎶 I think your work is super important, especially for the vocal community. Keep fighting the good fight! 💪🔥

[@musickf]

Sent this to my singing teacher. She's as interested in harsh vocals as I am, even if she's more into Musicals. And I think she'll absolutely love to see what is discovered through this kickstarter. Thank you for doing this. It's going to change lives.

[@resonancy]

As a long time viewer and backer, it's been an incredible and inspirational experience to watch the musical journey you've gone down as you've pulled everyone in together. This is absolutely historical and vital on the medical research front. For all of us to be a part of it, whether we're viewers, backers, or social media supporters, shows how important it is for it to be a collective endeavor for this to be a success. Thank you, Elizabeth, for taking the time to address all the questions, criticisms, and concerns that people have. The vocal minority are out there, but it just shows how important and personal all of this is to you and everyone involved. This is such a thoughtfully planned campaign and we cannot wait to see where this journey takes us.🤘

[@trdoffroadguy1684]

People always gonna judge you and be mean, ignore their ignorance and do as much good as you can. Much Love E.

[@billparrish4385]

Elizabeth, thank you for your passion -- for music, for singing, for contributing to science, and for the betterment of humanity. Singing can indeed benefit us in ways that science is only recently starting to reveal, and you have outlined an area of study that few if any have taken on (the harsh vocals of the upper larynx). I applaud your efforts, and I salute your generosity. Some people are just in love with their own sense of cynicism. Pay no attention to them, they are always with us. Don't let them hinder the rest of us from dreaming big, from improving the world they live in, in spite of their efforts to drag things down. I expect someone amng them who loses their voice, then benefits from this research to regain some function, will quickly take advantage of it. But I don't expect they'll take back their demoralizing words. They got too much of a payoff saying them. Pay them no heed. Keep doing good. We're behind you!

[@briandeeley1599]

Elizabeth I love your channel and have learned a lot about music because of you, you are so charming and a beautiful soul.

[@Liz.Green789]

I am fascinated. I am kicking in a small contribution even though I really do not enjoy the sounds of harsh vocals. I do believe in research leading to new things to help. That you have already passed your goal pleases me so much. I know you'll learn a lot. Good luck!

[@AlyBlu]

People can be so completely small minded. The work that you are doing on this absolutely blows my mind. I got teary-eyed when I watched your video. I had a tracheostomy as a child that damaged my vocal cords. I can talk, but I have a very awkward voice. I cannot sing to save anybody, but I have loved watching your videos and you’re an analysis of how people do things with their voice .And knowing that somebody is out there looking into how vocal cords work and different things that can be done for them and with them just blew my mind. I see you. Thank you.

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

I think there's hope for you, though, Aly. There's been some recent studies being done out of NYU where they're using false fold and upper laryngeal structures to repair usage of true folds. It's still early stages, but it's being worked on. The fact that upper laryngeal structures for voice have barely been studied at all, and now with new technology that gives us imaging and data... I'm super hopeful that we may have found a niche that can be explored exponentially!

[@AlyBlu]

@@TheCharismaticVoiceI will continue to watch and learn. And absolutely cheer you on in this endeavor. But the original video and this video have absolutely touched me on a core level. I will watch as you progress in these studies and keep learning for myself. I may never have a strong voice- I have creaks and cracks and so much vocal distortion and fatigue- but I love learning- music moves me profoundly- and even before this new venture,your videos taught me a lot about vocal control. Haters are gonna do what they do- but you are changing the world and that is amazing. Thank you. You affect people more than you know.

[@sierradelta6524]

Why on earth would anyone question you? When I first heard of the kickstarter you had planned, it wasn't even on my mind that it was some sort of scam! I don't know you, Elizabeth, but you come across as a very honest and trustworthy person. What you are doing here is nothing short of incredible. I know its difficult, but try not to let those doubters get to you. You are absolutely amazing and a wonderful person and what you are doing is unbelievable! All love to you, your family and your team. All the very best from one of your friends in the UK.

[@Spencer_Beard]

Elizabeth, I'm here for you and you've had my trust from the beginning. Keep your head up, friend.

[@onetaothree]

Don't let the haters get to ya!! There will always be trolls and haters!! Don't feed 'em!! Y'all are awesome!!