Clem's TURTLE TERRAN! StarCraft 2 Finals

[@ottoback5375]

Pro SC2 is like watching two people have a boxing match and a chess match, and both are taking a math exam all at the same time

[@orangepearlf40]

It's wild.

[@Levm17]

The zerg players play minesweeper additional

[@xchn2]

Hey Winter, your casts have become a relaxing place to park my browser quite a bit lately. Thanks for the high quality content!

[@redy2098]

That investor-festor really paid off with interest

[@transitcombine9057]

Consecuences of dont iverting a turret of 150 mineral 💀

[@jennifer_dreamzzz]

You make my day a little bit better

[@monstersaint]

I like the fact that you allow times of silence and you don't babble incessantly. Some of the ESL commentators WILL NOT shut up. Thanks Winter!

[@TonyTony__]

How can this little guy was able to impose himself as the best SC2 commentator ?* I have SC2 commentary in my native langage but every time I come back here, because it's here that the best crack is sell xD Winter and Harstem really make SC2 great again in '24. Harstem with the genuis idea of IODIS (in a community where our favorite pass time is talking and arguing about how and why the other races are not balanced) and Winter just by being an excellent commentator. * Rethorical question, I know the answer, by years and years of hard work, polishing his craft until it become perfect. And perfect it became.

[@Empty00Eyes]

As a Terran, I enjoy Winters barely restrained rage at terran units.

[@SBG420]

The lurker spines ripping through my eardrums lol

[@napkindispensergaming3797]

Thank you for all your amazing casting.

[@choncis8318]

"we'll see if we reach equilibrium after equilibrium" 😂😂😂😂

[@BBZER0]

And then the very quiet , im sorry

[@oigewan9301]

Turtle Terran vs Zerg isn't necessarily the most entertaining thing to watch, but there is something so satisfying about seeing it all come together to kill some bugs.

[@transitcombine9057]

Is weird how just 2 drones are kill for the 3 base change mostly xd

[@MultiChrisjb]

hate speech

[@calmdownson]

Jimmy has a cold grip on this channel .. he cant be stopped.

[@LucianDevine]

He'll get fired one day!

[@calmdownson]

@@LucianDevine idk.. Jimmy's been here longer than you and I...

[@ToadieBog]

You're casting really is top notch.

[@kawi63606ify]

Just got a new hard drive for my old laptop just so I can play this again lol. Watching these made me miss RTS so much

[@matthewclark7955]

Ghosts are so ridiculously op its actually hilarious

[@Rodaxoleaux]

I would've definitely just insta-left after the 27 drone loss, but I mean, money on the line I guess.

[@tondekoddar7837]

Also, need to gather thoughts to talk about what happened to reporters. So staying in on tournaments is ok, imagine going to stage just second after crushing defeat - better take a minute or two to gather thoughts. But yeah crushing

[@IsaacFNghost]

Man that first game felt like Raynor being outplayed until he held down the lurker button 😂 I obv know it’s much much much more complicated than that

[@hosackies]

26:28 that series of mine pops are just masterful.

[@brycerasmussen2331]

Another great Winter cast, got my like. Thank you!

[@silverpro8356]

Every terran is doing this on ladder now . Seems terran is OP.

[@Martin_likes_beer]

omg that first reaper! goooooo clem

[@adoi8467]

Ghost is so OP, its neither light nor armored, so it's quite tanky as Ghost doesn't take bonus dmg, from Stalkers, Colossi, Banelings. It takes 6 banes to kill a single Ghost, 5 swipes from a Colossus to kill a Ghost (14 swipes when being healed by a Medivac with the colossus down to half HP) Ghost also moves really fast for a spellcaster, it also has a long range base attack that also deals bonus dmg against light. Ghost have a 100 instant damage AOE spell that also affects buildings, a 110 dmg super long range single target dmg spell. And now you got a unit that counters everything, from mass fodder units like Zerglings and Zealots, to high priority, expensive units like Broods, Vipers, Ultralisks, High Templars, Sentries, Stalkers and the already squishy Infestors

[@FlokiTech]

Why don't you talk about how we never see Thors and BC? you want Terran to have 0 late game units?

[@adoi8467]

@@FlokiTech because I understand when a unit is strong and not OP. Thors and BCs are significantly more expensive, take up more supply, takes a lot longer to build and have much less utility than a Ghost. They are much bigger and slower, therefore clunkier and easier to get out of position and be picked off. Thors and BCs also have very obvious counters, being Immortals, Disruptors, Neural parasite and Cracklings for Thors; Tempests, Corruptors, Abducts and Neural Parasite for BCs. Ghosts are cheaper, faster, more manueverable, and have no counters, Terrans mass Ghost because it's both better and less punishing when you lose multiple Ghosts instead of BCs and Thors.

[@transitcombine9057]

​@@adoi8467the only thing that can counetr the ghost is the micro and their cost. You eat a fungus how the 1 match and lose ALL your ghost. Maybe More than 2.5k Minerals and 1k of vespene A huge PAIN 💀

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

I'm just so happy when I hear Karen, Greta and the others discussing the pain of being a Queen.

[@Bizm4rk]

Make ranged attack upgrades benefit muta bounces. Suddenly the don't die to T1 units but still get rekt when miss-micro'd

[@danielbaity8571]

Thatghost that solo sniped and got away was Kerrigan's son. He's a boss

[@saltking2133]

Another great casting Winter ❤ guys will Clem ever NOT use Widow Mines? I guess i find Maru and Byun and other Terrans more versatile and fun to watch. I just wanna see Clem get smashed by Dark at this point somebody humble him 😂😂

[@seth5847]

Is that you winter adding in Arthas's theme song from Wow in game 3 or is that starcraft

[@untossablesalad4423]

Hey, does anyone know where Winter gets his Starcraft-themed shirts from? I don’t think he has one in this vid but I’ve definitely seen him with a lot of them

[@k9tirion927]

That deja vu impression shot me coffee through my nose.

[@geuros]

Exactly, furthermore he made his own verse on the fly and even the singing was good without even trying much, Winter is just the best caster

[@jason41a]

clem with a lot of guns = always fun to watch.

[@tondekoddar7837]

56:17 ...[] [] [] about 15 secs... "yeah he' super super []" :)

[@anibalbarca9549]

why a would a "mine" hit air?

[@matthewclark7955]

Becuase terran

[@plopsplipspladoodle]

why doesn't anybody double expand anymore, is it bad now?

[@dizastro5437]

Nobody does it better, makes me feel sad for the rest. Let us see how Brenda winds up?

[@LuigiMolinaro]

i like him beacuse he feel the game so hard :D

[@geuros]

Winter, you're the best

[@Ampheras]

Hi,, when watching replays in SC2, how do I activate this bar below that shows the players, the suplies, minerals, gas, workers suply, army suply and upgrades?

[@atata2000]

It's a mod, you have to set it up before opening the replay. And I don't remember how

[@atata2000]

It's called WCS GameHeart, and it's quite easy to use. Google it

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

Why are Protoss not competitive in pro olay?

[@shiftymack5197]

They should double map size and increase supply to 400

[@Whattheheck_78]

This is re upload game right? I think this game last 1st week of Feb?

[@Delta_VX]

it's actually a different game , which is very funny a lot of de ja vu moment

[@jonathancasais6491]

How do you play an almost perfect game 1 to hard throw to lurker my guy 😂

[@ThePotatoLord-r3y]

Clem planetary! Wow!

[@commandertex4389]

i like the new memes. and great cast! too bad on rank roulete but as you said you can do everything right and still lose to serral

[@jayswizzle57]

20 likes on this comment and I’ll comment on another video… aaaand I’ll probably do it anyway. JIMMY!

[@nmgaro2156]

Best caster is winter. Best comment, this one. Here is your like. Hope to see you in the next video

[@sample_sam9045]

5 likes on this reply and ill reply to another comment… but ill probably do it anyway. *its for the interactions jimmy!*

[@DoctorHyperions]

😮😮😮

[@AlexGeo925]

Been curious about this for a while… Does Jimmy exist..? Or only in the same way as Columbo’s wife..? 😅

[@raccoonhatcity7627]

​@@AlexGeo925if Jimmy doesn't exist, who is winter taking guns away from? 🤔

[@apepper13]

27:27 "no sitting back and turtling for Clem" looks at the title

[@LUX711]

Big ups Winter👏🏼💯

[@Fred-ju1xs]

Deja vu! I just been in this base before! Killing seven drones! and I'm looking to kill two morrrreeee! ♪♫

[@nicob6802]

I dont get why Reynor taps out on the last game, seemed he still had some fight left?

[@lightdx7008]

Did you miss the previous 26 drones lost on first 6 minutes or the failed conter attack? Reynor lost too much. Winter was saying that he would allow him to give up earlier. Reynor barely had anything, clem have high economy advantage and was starting to send a relentless attack. Reynor knew he would not be able to hold agains next wave even if he repels the actual one.

[@atata2000]

I don't get why he didn't tap out earlier tbh

[@nicob6802]

​@@lightdx7008hello and thank you for explaining in detail. I did not miss out the drone toast (poor drones tho) but i just thought the supply count were just equal. But thank you really for the explanation. Means he really wouldnt hold out that game. Ggwp to the frenchman!

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Om nom nom

[@christaylor1528]

id love a carbot animation of that first reaper lol

[@12321dantheman]

the reaper touches the extractor with one toe while the drone tries to find a way around

[@curtisbrown2281]

Oof that last game.

[@DevilWearsAdidas]

people used to put 2 queens on the ramp and it would block this stupid hellion bullshit because you could just retreat the drones to the main. Why are we not seeing this anymore?

[@CaptaineRed]

Reynor being too confident i guess He used to hold without resorting to this because so much lost mining time, but here it backfires hard

[@WastedTalent83]

i think terran are broken tho XD the only race with a main building that can actually kill your enemies (and its not turrets like everybody have)

[@CtrlAltRetreat]

I don't get why clem wouldn't just add a couple ravens

[@LucianDevine]

Because it's 2 more things to perfectly manage against Vipers versus the near-infinite scans he already has with all his Orbitals.

[@StarryTemplar]

Why can't they make a RAVEN???? Also StarCraft II need some update changes, How Lurker got so much Range with AOE attack. Also they need to make Terran Bunker, Ghost can be inside and use Snipe inside Bunker

[@LucianDevine]

Because it's 2 more things to perfectly manage against Vipers versus the near-infinite scans he already has with all his Orbitals.

[@rarebabysteaks8041]

CLEM MAH BOIIIIIIIIII

[@craigsafford9737]

game 1 was so sad imagine what 1 raven could have done at the end when you dont have scans and getting destroyed. Being stubborn is sadly some of these players biggest weaknesses

[@DavidSmith-fx8lo]

It's amazing how stubborn people are about their belief that a raven is a good decision. A. It's expensive, B. it will die 100% guaranteed, C. It costs the production of more useful units from the starport, D. Interference matrix is now an upgrade so if you do make the raven you have to wait for the upgrade to finish before you can switch to a reactor, E. This means you need to make 2 starports which would obv cost more money on top of the expensive raven you are trying to add in. F. You will continually have to make Ravens and try to add them to the army which is already difficult to control (stim, splitting, emp, medivacs, liberators, widow mines, maybe siege tanks, o ya now you get to constantly pull back the raven so that the hydras or mutas or what have you dont kill the raven).

[@villz1267]

terrans are easily the stupidest players in SC2 by miles, they are cheese lords who center their entire strategies around microing marines and abusing boosted medivacs to take free wins off lower skilled players... Since widow mine filth came out these fools have stopped producing seige tanks altogether. Whenever terran isn't building seige tanks (possibly the best unit in the game) you know there is some absurd things in balance going on. Also the fact terrans don't build ravens and try to rely on scan spam is indicative of this too. They really just can't let go off having 2 more marines...... Clem is the prime example of a terran cheeser, jjust spams 0 skill 0 apm widow mines and 0 skill 0 apm liberators, anything to just let him spend the entire game microing marines and ghosts. There is a reason you will never see a terran player able to off race worth a damn, No other race has the insane amount of 0 apm op units that terran does and no other race can have a unit you can just micro to infinity to make it OP. They are playing a different game and refuse to adapt.

[@FlokiTech]

@@DavidSmith-fx8lo No lol. Whatever you think is lost in making 1 raven will be 10x returned by the fact that he could have dropped 10 mules instead of those 10 scans.

[@transitcombine9057]

​@@FlokiTechor jus put turrets in each part of their naturals. Clem apost Extremely of this scan and his lose him

[@LucianDevine]

@@FlokiTech Unless it gets abducted in by a Viper, because the Zerg player is obviously going to target it?

[@koolkiller35]

GeT oFf mY CrEEp

[@orangepearlf40]

Spoiler: Love seeing the money printer mules (federal reserve) terran get rolled.

[@mrdrwdry]

Jimmy! 🎉😂😅

[@tellyshonestreviews1293]

Reynor, doing what he does best. not winning.

[@danielnisewaner6151]

Winter! Put Jimmy on camera!

[@AnonDe71]

Noone on KZbin got more likes from me than Jimmy🤣🤣🤣

[@ClearAlera]

Love how Clem has just been diving his hellions lately. In other pro TvZ matches the players just do the dance of testing to see if the zerg has enough queens and maybe sniping some creep rumors, and then they just leave each other alone. Zergs have gotten complacent and forgotten they actually need to position their queens or build early units to shut down runbys since no other Terran has been calling their bluffs.

[@newgamer85]

Zerg comeback mechanic well enforce this game.

[@thezzach]

The most professional sc2 coverage….wearing t-shirt 😂 Amazing first game. Clem’s adaptation for the last three 🫨

[@yugonostalgia8961]

Wow! Clem won a series without relying on widow mines as a crutch to do the fighting for him! Proud of you, frenchie~

[@VictorAlyCS]

it gets a little bored Zerg thanks them have a lot unit the could apply many strategies, but Terran en Protoss don't,

[@mylucyrk]

Ghosts are ridiculous. They shouldn't counter ALL of Zerg so hard.

[@Alskaskan]

Game 4 😅

[@jacoballey21]

i would have gg'd after those two drone kills. tilting beyond belief

[@Merkaba85]

Last game: 1 spine, 1 spore, 1 lair, and THEN you can be a greedy Zerg.. Cost less than the 8 first drones he lost anyway. And then its a game. This "perfectly and optimally greedy or die" mentality is too easy to beat. Second last game: I miss some unit alternating spells like BW had; Parasite, Lock down, Optical flare, Restoration and such. Cool tactical options. If maybe the Infestor could cast a Frenzie effect on a group of friendly units, it would be a way to break turtle play like that. Currently, there's no real way to beat a Terran that get to that half map/superior efficiency stage, except hoping he messes up. Also I said nerf Ghost to the ground last year, but it still hasn't moved out of the penthouse. It's still game breakingly strong and can be controlled even better than Clem does. I took like 8-9 years before people actually started using it, for some reason. In the time of 150/100, better snipe, and EMP area upgrade. 3 hard nerfs and it's still broken af. It will just get more oppressive as time goes and players get better. Nerf it! Like 150/175, decrease snipe range and/or increase cost to 75 energy, increase EMP cost to 100 energy. That is where it should be. it's simply too cheap and can do too much - while being able to turn invisible if it gets into trouble. Goddamn ridiculous units.

[@Devaraja67]

Sweet Zerg tears!!! oh so delicious !!

[@Merkaba85]

​@@Devaraja67I play all 3 races, played terran the most, by far

[@Jasonsoloka2024]

All I ever see is T v Z. I want Z v Z and P V Z

[@andrewjones198]

I had a fantastic day. Got a nice fat pay check of over 8K woot

[@marinav3905]

First?

[@JohanZahri]

That was anti-climatic.. 😕

[@JD-fy2cf]

Anyone else always root against Terran?

[@nmgaro2156]

It's very smart from zerg players to not use ling+hidra+lurker very ofter, so the lurker is not discover of being ridiculously strong and not get nerf. 1st march shows exactly how strog they are, reynor burrowed 5 or 6 lurkers in a position, and that was all he needed to go from almost dead to a winning position. Not saying that is easy to do, just saying looks super strong

[@nmgaro2156]

And adding more, how is that changelings are not detected by sensor towers or missile turrets? That has no sense.

[@yugonostalgia8961]

Lurkers can be sniped. Easily.

[@fierzali6297]

​@@yugonostalgia8961 they cannot. Clem struggled to snipe them. Lurkers outrange the snipe cast range and snipe gets cancelled when the ghost takes damage.

[@atata2000]

​@@fierzali6297Clem struggled to snipe them this series. He usually don't

[@yugonostalgia8961]

@@fierzali6297 Ghosts can cloak, they also can snipe overseers.

[@herpderpslerp]

Its actually so boring watching terran. Unless its serral so... Anyone else. ghosts are just so oppressive. I hate that when i see ghosts in the production tab I know that More likely than not the terran wins. Does the opponent win despite the ghosts yea. But its like a 60- 40 split. Still the matches are good because of the commentary but I wouldn't watch these games on my own like... ever :/

[@jorgen0lsen863]

We dont want turtle terran anymore.

[@florianhirsch471]

Absolutely hate watching clem Play. The Widow mine Play is just disgusting.

[@w.8770]

Understandable. But do you know whats even worse? Ghosts. All they do is run away just to snipe you in the back after the fight is finished. And they have so much health that you have to already have won the game to catch them. They just take multiple banes to the face and get healed up. STAND AND FIGHT YOU COWARDS!!!

[@transitcombine9057]

​@@w.8770with a geat fungus can counter all. Just in the second game lose this oportunity

[@rbsanche]

then women think they better multitaskers...

[@Kawielover]

I like this guys commentating but he needs to tone down the anti Terran whining. It’s super annoying. If you can beat’em join’em.