Cleveland enforcing 'Modell LAW' to BLOCK Browns move

[@brodiebrazil]

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[@O.G.LIL-MAN]

in a word...no. They arent moving out Greater Cleveland...this is a play by the mayor to keep the money downtown. And since he fumbled this whole issue, he, the city and county are trying to evoke the "Modell" law. Also the city owns the current stadium, and arent giving the ownership too much room to do the developments around the current stadium and own it outright---so there's that

[@onlinesavant]

In a word, yes. The Ohio legislature had the foresight to realize that some venal " owner" would probably try something like what Haslem is trying to do. I think Haslem realizes the airtightedness of the law also, and he's probably been angling for a new, downtown, domed stadium.

[@SirGabrielXXXL]

I'm a Clevelander, this is the city posturing

[@tempe1d]

@brodiebrazil no. Modell law wont apply. Theyre still in same county and the legislature are republicans who the owner has "donated"(really buying) to their election campaigns.....its merica. This is how corruption is done.

[@onlinesavant]

@@SirGabrielXXXL How so? The LAW is being enforced. How do you consider that "posturing?"

[@SakaiDylanH]

As a Cuyahoga county resident (in Cleveland), I think it’s insane they want taxpayer funding for this, and don’t want to put it to a vote for the taxpayers.

[@Jadefox32]

When the Seahawks got the Clink after the Kingdome was taken down Paul Allen put up a portion of the money for the stadium and the city of Seattle had to figure out the rest. SoHo actually is a really cool district, but not when you're stepping over local wildlife

[@stoneyoutdoors8819]

if you say Cuyahoga counnty resident you dont even live in cleveland, stop lying. nnobody says that

[@SakaiDylanH]

@ I literally live in the city of Cleveland, not Lakewood, Parma, any heights, just Cleveland

[@dylanclark8856]

​@@stoneyoutdoors8819nobody fucking cares even if he doesn't lmao. Only the dumbest people from the inner city even give a shit about this whole "you're not from cleveland" gatekeeping bullshit. Being from a suburb is irrelavent to being a browns fan.......😂

[@wesleyamancio3686]

​@@stoneyoutdoors8819It would be much simpler for the NFL to adopt relegation so that cities with high potential could reach the league while messy teams would leave the League but would still remain under its umbrella.

[@99somerville]

It’s never about the stadium itself, it’s about the real estate development deals surrounding it.

[@kryten09]

Sooooooo tired of subsidizing and the ultra rich. I'm just glad that the sentiment seems to be spreading like wildfire.

[@TL48]

Ultra Rich { Greed } is what professional sports are about in this country !! Have been forever... That"s why i love the model of sports in the UK { and other countries in europe } where football is about community not about a fat cats ego trip !!

[@psychopathyoutubeemployees280]

@@TL48 - Private ownerships is immoral. It needs to be illegal as the Green Bay Packers ownership model is the way to go.

[@TL48]

@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 Look at the Bundesliga rules...All clubs must be 51% owned by supporters - LOVE IT !!

[@jimsmerbeck4049]

​@@TL48? Man City and Newcastle are owned by Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia, respectively. Aston Villa was owned by the same Haslam family who are asking the good people of Cuyahoga County for $1 billion.

[@TL48]

@@jimsmerbeck4049 True...But you never hear of them moving their clubs to another city to get a stadium that gives them more income.

[@kcnoise]

They should pass a federal law barring taxpayer funded stadiums.

[@bms9144]

No, this is the worst thing that could be done. Taxpayer funded stadiums were a great thing for fans of sports teams in a community. Moderately priced multi-use sports stadiums = affordable tickets and regular attendance. It was a great model. It was a "fan" based system vs the current "sports entertainment experience" model. Owners who pay for stadiums just pass along the costs by building them right into the ticket prices, etc.

[@AP-hv9ll]

@@bms9144 wait- did you just say passing the cost to the actual consumer of said good, is worse than hitting up grandma and grandpa who have zero interest in said service or good? I don’t believe in many federal bans (states are pretty good at figuring things out because they see their neighbors failures,) but pricing the cost into the ticket is EXACTLY where these costs should live. We don’t live in a perfect world, I have plenty of avail city services I don’t use, but that’s a principle we should strive fore.

[@OutsideLookingInSports]

​@bms9144 What? OK, sell tickets for an amount people can't afford. Lets see how that works for sales. You have a lot to learn about capitalism.

[@bms9144]

@@OutsideLookingInSports Did you even read what I wrote? Clearly you didn't understand it.

[@aaronblaylock2092]

@@bms9144 That cost gets passed into the ticket price regardless who builds them, at least they wont be squeezing the fans with threats of leaving every time they don't get their way. I grew up in Oakland and you could never enjoy the season without the talk of the teams leaving lurking over you shoulder like a gool.

[@teddexter3236]

If you want to leave, pay for EVERYTHING yourself!!

[@audrisampson]

Maybe the Browns should actually do something on the field before demanding money.

[@O.G.LIL-MAN]

not the point...lots of suck teams build domes for their teams

[@jeffkrieger935]

@@O.G.LIL-MAN It is a part of the conversation. Any business that asks for public support should have a proven track record of performance, or return on investment. The "new" Browns front office record is tragically pathetic and most recently birthed the widely recognized worst player trade of all sports teams/leagues of all time.

[@Mitchell_Tillstrom099]

​@@jeffkrieger935Facts

[@Chudley716]

The only thing in our lives that has to be perfect is an NFL stadium that hosts 8-9 regular season games a year. Good grief.

[@dancing_rock]

Well at least Jerry Jones knows his marketing and puls in shows to the Stadium in Arlington. The cowboys are nothing more than a marketing firm that occasionally plays football. You know the one thing that hasn't changed in 30 years with Dallas, the owner and GM Jerry Jones.

[@327Erich]

That's why the dome is Jimmy's preferred choice. You can have triple the number of events each year, in addition to undoubtedly getting a Super Bowl and likely a Final Four.

[@batboy555]

And a shitty Taylor swift concert.

[@A_to_Zappa]

Wait!!! AC/DC with be at Three Rivers-Heinz-Accusure Stadium on May 8th.

[@mavensbaseball]

It's crazy how fast stadiums become obsolete.

[@brodiebrazil]

Agreed

[@MatthiaGryffine]

It's because people don't build them like they used to with Wrigley Field or Fenway Park

[@chriss6390]

They're not obsolete. They just want newer and shinier so they can justify charging as much as possible and host as many different types of events as possible to maximize profit. You can bet the public won't sniff any of the profits, but definitely will get asked to help on any losses.

[@kjorlaug1]

@@mavensbaseball obsolete? No. Not new and shinny and optimized for insane revenues? Yes

[@brodiebrazil]

@@chriss6390 this is true... they also want the land surrounding the stadium to be part of a bigger development plan

[@obroni]

Teams in the suburbs: We need to move to the city center!!! Teams in the city center: We need to move to the suburbs!!

[@kcnoise]

It's just a trick to get taxpayer funding. All of it is. It's sickening.

[@tysonkrehnke2835]

And we need the taxpayers to pay for it.

[@jonniez62]

Tax payers need to say no.

[@maxpowr90]

I agree. the Bills should have moved to Austin.

[@Dept246]

Teams need to move

[@jonniez62]

@Dept246 they can pay for it

[@maddrone7814]

The Rams moved and paid for their stadium yet yall hate them for moving lmao make up your mind

[@jonniez62]

@maddrone7814 what does this have to do with Cleveland? Or KCMO? They want tax payers to take risk.

[@robbyel3958]

What we all need to do is STOP the fleecing of the taxpaying public by these rich owners and start saying NOOOOOOO across the country. If they can afford a team then they can afford to purchase their own land and build their own stadiums.

[@duzzitmatter8679]

With statements like this I have to ask the question just how much commercial real estate you own or are invested in??

[@oldsrocket8841]

​@@duzzitmatter8679With statements like this I have to question whether you even pay taxes.

[@dylanclark8856]

Literally no one can afford that. It's a fact this shit helps the economy. If it didn't this wouldn't be how it works for literally every pro sports team.😂

[@warrenash5370]

The team is buying the land.

[@DanielScoon]

I live in the UK, and we redevelop stadiums and upgrade as best we can as this is our spiritual home like fenway and wrigley.

[@MarkMay-cr6bv]

That's the way it should be, but unfortunately money too often trumps commons sense, loyalty and tradition. Props to you in the UK for taking those things seriously.

[@jamesbednar8625]

That is what used to happen here in the States: upgrade/modify the stadium as needed. Most stadiums were multi use meaning football AND baseball during their respective seasons and concerts during the off seasons. Think it was during the 1980s (other people who read this gibberish may correct me) that teams wanted their own sport-dedicated stadium, thus the birth of just a football ONLY stadium, a baseball ONLY stadium and so on. I do enjoy watching videos from the 1970s and earlier where you will see the baseball field having football field markings - brings back memories!! Then the stadium stays unused or sees little use during the off season. Also, DOMES started to become all the craze because cities saw the potential of a Super Bowl coming to a cold-weather city (Detroit and Minneapolis got a Super Bowl because of their respective domes).

[@randygratz1659]

I think it's about time that Cleveland follows the Green Bay model where shares can be sold and the people of Cleveland can own the team

[@mjjoe76]

People make snide remarks whenever the Packers sell stock to raise money, but your nose will move to the other side of your head before the Packers move from Green Bay.

[@popejoeii]

The NFL doesn't allow that anymore, probably for exactly that reason.

[@jeffkrieger935]

@@popejoeii I did not know that. Do you know why?

[@popejoeii]

@@jeffkrieger935 I don't know the exact reason, but they don't allow NFL teams to not have one primary owner anymore

[@Paulscottrock]

@@popejoeii That’s why a class action lawsuit is what we need. The NFL is full of unfair rules. The obvious solution here is to sell stock in the team. A billionaire dollars worth. Use that money to build a stadium.

[@supremeb3563]

Let them move and make money in the nearby area. Cleveland city officials need to figure out a way to make revenue downtown other than a 11 game a year sports team and venue.

[@stephent3963]

If brodie covers your team about stadium issues......your about to lose your team

[@peterdahlen2088]

Let billionaires pay for all

[@maddrone7814]

Stan Kroenke did and yall bitched about him moving the team

[@muskyoxes]

If one billionaire can't foot the whole bill, he can crowdfund to other billionaires. Then the issue of "maybe we should get some of the profits" might suddenly become comprehensible

[@327Erich]

At one point that was an option (it may still be; I'm not sure). Jimmy pays for the stadium like Jerry Jones did in Dallas, and he consequently gets all the ticket proceeds from the events held there. I'd be fine with that, but some headline-chasing politician in Cuyahoga Co. would likely raise a stink about the money going into Haslam's pocket. It's *very* easy to turn the general public against a billionaire, even if the deal explicitly calls for him/her to get the money in exchange for building the stadium with private investment.

[@bernardcollier1226]

Stadiums never ever ever pay off for tax payers.

[@davidvoss3489]

If they want taxpayers to help then all profits need to be shared with the taxpayers

[@robertchristie9175]

Tax payers benefit from millions of dollars brought to the community

[@chiphazardd]

@@robertchristie9175 Not anymore if the owner is trying to move the stadium away from the community

[@robertchristie9175]

@ they’re not, it’s still in the same community

[@327Erich]

That's how it works. The city gets a portion of the ticket sales since it owns the stadium. The problem is that the city hasn't even finished paying its portion of the *construction* of the stadium, and it's responsible for maintaining and repairing the facility, of which it has done very poorly. Jerry Jones built AT&T Stadium with his own money. In turn, he gets the gate revenue for all the events it hosts. I wouldn't have a problem with Jimmy following that plan, but I'm sure some sticky-fingered politician in Cuyahoga Co. would try to frame it as Haslam being greedy, even if he built the whole thing with his own money.

[@JimmayVV]

there is a lot to learn about how the Krafts manage their football stadium and operations. They privately financed their stadium very creatively, own all of their own land, print money and never need a dome to justify anything.

[@rickcobos1724]

Car-centric area that also cannot host the Super Bowl, Final Four, WrestleMania, etc.

[@maddrone7814]

Stan Kroenke did and all that himself but then yall bitched about him moving the team back to LA

[@derekleblanc9717]

Yes but they also tried to get the state to build a new stadium. Threatened to move to Hartford and had a deal signed but the land was bad and would have taken years to build/environmental cleanup

[@duzzitmatter8679]

Yeah if I could print money…I wouldn’t asking for taxpayer subsidies for a stadium either.

[@floydshambles]

the owner is a crook

[@SarahDigsHockey]

They're all crooks

[@AaronTheGreat________]

Why because he has money ?

[@floydshambles]

@AaronTheGreat________ google him

[@alexcika9906]

No he's NOT

[@dylanclark8856]

Not even close to the same thing.... where the browns are trying to move rn is still in the same damn county as cleveland. The city is just being a bunch of babies about it.

[@CPO-Snarky]

Some things are not worth fighting for. The Cleveland Browns is one of them.

[@turkt.359]

Great point Chief…

[@CPO-Snarky]

@ Thank you.

[@PensFan96]

Why do I have a hunch that this is not going to end well

[@billykof2584]

Canton Browns maybe?

[@George_M_]

Won't someone think of the poor starving billionaires? Evidently 350 million $ isnt enough socialism for the rich.

[@baseballnut26]

Ironically Jimmy Haslam once benefited from the Modell law. The last owner of the Columbus Crew wanted to move the team to Austin but Haslam bought them instead because of the Modell Law.

[@theshovl3r]

This!

[@OhioHoon]

I argue your point is like comparing apples and oranges. Columbus to Austin is 1,200 miles. Cleveland to Brook Park is like 30 FEET. Brook Park is in the same county. The new stadium property is literally across the street from the city of Cleveland to the south and east. Hopkins International Airport, bordering the new property on it's west side, is owned by the city of Cleveland. I don't think the law will hold up. I believe the courts will rule there is some nuance to the the spirit of the law. It certainly is not fair to a business owner to force them to stay in a place after the lease is expired. He is putting up the most personal risk. The public portion of the funding is divided amongst many - little risk to them.

[@theshovl3r]

@@OhioHoon completely disagree. The purpose of the law is to make sure those who have accepted tax money do not turn their back on the people who provided the funds. The browns likely took money from the city and therefore are beholden to the city not the county. It is absolutely fair as well. Jimmy Haslam did not have to accept tax money, nor did he have to ask for it. It’s not fair to the city to pay for a sports team, then for the team to leave after being subsidized by the taxpayer.

[@OhioHoon]

@@theshovl3r I see gray area in our discussion. My opinion is they are not really leaving. I think the courts will see it this way. I understand the Haslams accepted the stadium lease when they bought the team. I don't know the exact details of the lease, but I'm just about 100% certain the city puts no tax money towards the operation of the team. This tax money is just stadium related. I believe the terms say that the repairs and upkeep of the structure are on the city's dime. The team pays the city $250,000 per year for rent. The Browns also pay all of the utilities, the turf upkeep, and other game day expenses. The city keeps all parking revenues and collects an 8% tax on every ticket. The Browns [Haslams] dumped approximately $90,000,000 of their own money into a major stadium renovation in 2014-2015. Further, they have been communicating to the city since they purchased the team about wanting/needing a new stadium. Near nothing has happened. So the Haslams are taking action as the city has kicked the can down the road. Even though the product on the field has sucked, I'm firmly behind the owners in this business decision. I really don't understand how you can force a business to sign a new lease when it's not in their best interest. Also, the city needs to get out of the stadium landlord business. Many in city council fought this in 1999. Now I believe they will get their wish and free up lots of money to other needed city projects/services.

[@tbx59]

Another billionaire looking for a handout.

[@Jwend392]

The Modell Law was what kept the Crew in Columbus.

[@wheelroll]

Cleveland Brown football should be played outdoors. Football is meant to be played against your opponent and the elements.

[@CincyRaz]

The first AFC North team to build a dome will never hear the end of it. 😂

[@jeffgeho5685]

Remember when Art Modell wanted a new stadium and help from Cleveland and the city government refused because they didn't like him so he had to move to Baltimore to stay financially viable. The corrupt city government then had the NFL strip Modell of the Browns name and was renamed to the Ravens. The Modell's always fielded a winning team and it was terrible what the city government did to that guy. Cleveland government is corrupt and so isn't the NFL. Who cares about the NFL when they bully whomever they want even someone who worked all his best years fielding winning team and helping the NFL. Let the NFL rot

[@dennisquigney3809]

Since 1999 there have been a total of ZERO playoff games played at the current stadium which is locally known as "The Factory of Sadness."

[@KalvinW-f3z]

If you were to put Cleveland's stadium in Europe, it would be considered one of the best on the continent. This current stadium craze is dumb and unlike the 90's stadium craze, these venues are not falling apart. Owners just want domes so their can periodically host the Super Bowl and make a few extra dollars. It's billionaires essentially fighting for pennies.

[@patrickmanway290]

Exactly,

[@duzzitmatter8679]

It provides for MAJOR events that can draw ppl from the entire region to attend. Empower Field at Mile High in Denver hosted Taylor Swift and Luke Bryan in 2024 and will be hosting Metallica for 3nights in 2025. The revenue generated on those five nights is not chump change.

[@yourtruereview3621]

Jimmy Haslam will end up being worse for the Browns than Modell. The guy is not from Ohio, he could care less about the city, and all he wants this for it to line his pockets. He does not want this for what's best for the Browns, or Cleveland, but for him. Case in point, the emphasis on a dome. He wants to strip this Cleveland Browns tradition away (snow / weather games), for his own desires. Sure, he will make his idea sound good and beneficial to all, but just like a politician, all that talk is fluff. I'm actually surprised he has not changed the team's helmet yet just to sell more jerseys / apparel. Again, he does not care, he just wants top dollar. He will sell Cleveland, its traditions and its fan base down the river if he gets the chance.

[@327Erich]

The City of Cleveland, regardless of the subject, is ALWAYS a day late and a dollar short. They've known for YEARS that the stadium is falling apart, and they just kept kicking the can down the road to save money *now* and deal with the issues later. How well has that strategy worked for them in the past???? Only AFTER alternate plans have been developed does Cleveland step in and offer a portion (less than 50%) of the money required simply to renovate the current stadium. When their hastily thrown-together plans are ignored, the City throws a fit and plays the victim. The fact of the matter is that most fans (not all, but most) would prefer to drive to Brook Park, avoid downtown traffic and parking headaches, and avoid the inevitable mile-long walk to the stadium even AFTER you park in just about any lot available. A lot of us, as fun as it may look on TV, would like to be able to attend a December or January game without freezing our nuts off. It's miserable when that lake wind is blowing in 15 degree weather. Also, the spirit of the Modell law, which will be argued in court, is to keep teams from leaving the region. It's not specifically to protect Cleveland proper. They've owned the stadium and it has been neglected, as the city is wont to do with its investment properties. If the city wants to save money on legal bills and invest in a future without the stadium on the lake, it should start planning to develop the lakefront property, including the land holding the current stadium. There really is a way that this could be a win-win for Cleveland and the region. You can't tell me that the handful of bars within a mile of the stadium will go belly up without their 8 home games and handful of concerts every year.

[@dennisquigney3809]

The Property in Brookpark is just outside the city limits. It's an old Ford assembly plant property that sits right next to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. I'm actually surprised an annexation proposal isn't on the table if Cleveland is so hellbent on not having he team leave the city limits. Also the property that the existing stadium is on is at a very valuable spot. It is adjacent to downtown and right next to the rock and roll hall of fame and Lake Erie.

[@jcngokai-76]

If Brook Park is on the outskirts of the city of Cleveland, it’s not as if they’re moving to a city out of state, similar to the 49ers and both New York football teams, let alone Arsenal FC, THEY ARE STILL WITHIN THE SAME VICINITY, if not the SAME MARKET! Come on, Cleveland, LET THEM HAVE THE STADIUM

[@dennisquigney3809]

@jcngokai-76 I agree with you. As a clevelander, the sentiment here is that people don't care if they play in Brookpark or Cleveland, they are more concerned with the abysmal product on the field.

[@y6cd3sdzHs1g]

@@dennisquigney3809 It's not just about having the new stadium, it's having you (the tax payer) pay for it as well.

[@jormugand5578]

@@jcngokai-76 Part of the issue is that if the team moves out of Cleveland's city limits they stand to lose some of the benefits to Brookpark while the surrounding businesses (hotels, parking lots, bars, etc) won't be happy to lose the money they indirectly make from the team.

[@garfieldsmith332]

The city should just say NO taxpayers money for anything. The taxpayers of Cleveland should say NO to supplementing any pro sports teams. There are zoning laws for the city and perhaps they could use them to prevent a new stadium from being built. Owners want the maximum profits to be made with others footing the costs to make them The politicians want the teams to stay so they can say we created tons of jobs and revenue for the city but then hide the true costs to the taxpayers. All the taxpayers want is to have their tax dollars spent wisely on infrastructure, policing, services, and a chance to have some money left over so they can eat, pay their expenses, and relax a bit.

[@SimuLord]

If anything, the team should pay the fans for giving them 25 years of the worst-run franchise in sports that isn't the Chicago White Sox.

[@megamakina]

I wish San Diego city had the same resolve as Cleveland city.

[@williamford9564]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="350">5:50</a>: Isn't "the city buying it' USING "TAXPAYERS MONEY"????? Forbes says the team is worth $4.6 billion. With the "taxpayers" agree to $4.6 billion of "their money" being used to buy the team?

[@kenbo80]

This complete lack of loyalty to fans by NFL teams is why I quit the NFL. It’s a lot harder to move a college team. The NFL can collectively pound sand and disappear.

[@AlanBeckham]

The LEAGUE should pay for stadium construction. The league pushes teams to want a new stadium.

[@phillipsmith4455]

This organization since ownership has made more stupid decisions to be a winner and have failed. It was giving up Baker for Watson who has become the biggest bust in league history and now they want to build a new stadium for 3 billion dollars for a losing team. Oh, by the way the owner doesn't have to pay for it either the Browns fans and the City of Cleveland pays for it. Build a winning team first and new stadium in the future.

[@sumdude4281]

Bears doing this sheet too and no one in the burbs or Chicago wants to give them a dime.

[@wmw3629]

That lakefront monstrosity will never be built in Chicago!

[@user117831]

I read somewhere, that the old stadium can't have a roof because it's too heavy for the ground. After all, it's near the lake.

[@TheSonicsean]

Apparently there are also structural issues that make renovating it without one costlier than a new stadium, though I'm not sure if that study was funded by the Haslams or the city.

[@williamerazo3921]

Bullshit

[@roflcopter117]

@@TheSonicsean There is no reason to believe anything the ownership has to say. A separate independent study would have to be done to actually prove that. If your stadium is less than 50 years old you don't need a new stadium f off. Unless it was built like shit to begin with.

[@tphillips91]

Clevelander, Browns fan, and construction mgmt degree here. The issues not being highlighted about the current stadium are being missed (although I love Brodies channel). First being that the current stadium is built on a landfill. This presented an enormous challenge for building a dome apparatus over the existing stadium due to the current requirements needed for foundational support. Essentially you need to drill all the way down to bedrock just to even have a footing. Also, the footprint of the land is a logistical nightmare for said construction. People forget this stadium was built in less than 2 years and lacks the space needed. I've been to many games there and love the location and the natural grass but, forget getting anywhere during halftime on any of those concourses. I can speak for many Browns fans where we arent torn about the new stadium but, we are more frustrated with the city and the results of the current season. You can check out NEOTrans blog for more details.

[@jormugand5578]

The old stadium wasn't designed to have a roof installed and one isn't simply talking about adding a roof. All the structure reinforcement, additional walls/windows to seal the building, environmental systems (AC. etc) and weather factors have to be accounted for lest you invite disaster like the 2019 1031 Canal (Hard Rock Hotel) collapse in New Orleans or the 1995 Sampoong Department Store collapse where late design changes by the owners/developers weren't properly accounted for by the engineers. Of course, you could try a lighter fiberglass fabric roof a la Metrodome (2010). 🤣

[@CincyRaz]

The suburb stadium trend needs to stop. Also a dome is not needed. Football is not an indoor sport. This isn't basketball. These cookie cutter domes are gonna look like the cookie cutter multipurpose donuts of rhe 70's in a decade or so.

[@matthewbrueckner8374]

10,000 thumbs up.

[@patrickgould6139]

They'll look like the cookie cutters but with somehow, even less character and charm.

[@KeoniPhoenix]

I agree with the suburban stadiums trend is bad. The construction of the stadium for the Arizona Cardinals lead to the construction of the arena for the Arizona Coyotes despite both being constructed by two different levels of government. The Cardinals stadium was built by a special district of the State of Arizona while the Coyotes arena was built by the city of Glendale. Both are considered to be in suboptimal locations as they require an hour drive from one side of the Phoenix metro to the other. As for the dome stadium concept, I think it is fine the big issue is that building a sports venue is expensive and the companies that manage the property and operate the lease for the team make a lot of their off season money selling the venue for all sorts of events from concerts to monster truck events. By not having a dome, the stadium is essentially unused from January to April due to the snow off of Lake Erie. Its a business related decision to bring the team more money by allowing the cost of operating the lease to be spread out through more events.

[@327Erich]

@@KeoniPhoenix I agree with your thoughts on the dome being a more viable economic option, but the comparison to Glendale isn't really apples to apples. The drive to Brook Park, even if you start downtown, is about 15 minutes. From the suburbs (where most of the fans come from) it's much shorter than driving downtown. I won't pretend to know the geographical makeup of Phoenix well, but the location as planned is not in a desolate or inconvenient area.

[@jk99795]

Bodie, I know you said u didn't want to do stadium issues , your the only one

[@gordonlong3095]

The biggest lure for the fans is the comfort of a domed stadium. For the Haslams, it’s hosting a few Final Fours and Taylor Swift megaconcerts. I agree that the Modell Law is very likely to be tested here--all the way to the US Supreme Court. And in the end, while the city, the state, some lawyers, and some legislators might cry foul and attempt to roll back the league’s antitrust exemptions…. The Haslams will get their domed stadium, somewhere. Be it on the Lakefront, in Brook Park, or even in Louisville or St. Louis, they’ll win in the current legal and political settings….

[@windforward9810]

I agree because the lease is up they can not be held hostage. It will not hold up in court, business get subsidized to move to an area, than bas3 on the model law after the usefulness or life building no long meat the needs of they can’t move. In Arlington Texas the rangers build a beautiful stadium, the problem with it was an oven to go to the games. Even in September it was very hot for the fans and players. So they build a new stadium next to the old one that is a dome, you can go to day games now and enjoy the game. They are still using the old stadium the soccer team is there now those pour players I feel for them. The idea that you can change an existing design of a major building just is not cost effective. It would cost more than a new stadium, I believe they look at it with the ranger stadium. The problem is the long a stadium stands the more issues come up, the need for up grade are costly on less they have a good plan. The best example of upgrading a stadium is the one at dodger stadium.

[@wbj2000]

Remaining within the metro region of Cleveland is arguably not really relocating, and is absolutely not the same as moving to another city like Baltimore. The land development will help subsidize the dome stadium, as it will draw people and businesses to the development due to the stadium.

[@kathleenszekely]

If they don't have a better team, they are not going to draw anyone.

[@neilaslayer]

This Urban flight of all sports facilities has ALREADY been done, and REVERSED 25 years after it started. We Are NOT going to do this again! Look up the history of the Richfield Coliseum...

[@timemerson4162]

Time for co-op ownership similar to Green Bay.

[@duzzitmatter8679]

If the taxpayers are lamenting the idea of subsidizing $1B then how are the gonna come up with $3-4B that it would cost to purchase the team outright?

[@stagecoachrobbery]

Because it's an investment and future source of income.

[@joekubina5897]

Won't happen, GreenBay is grandfathered in, no other franchise is allowed to be publicly owned, the NFL took care of that long ago.

[@leoszn201]

They act like the haslems moving them out of the state literally trying to move to the west side 😂

[@TheCrazyMoparDude68]

Cities and states need to stop paying for stadiums for sports teams that are owned by multimillionaires and have multimillionaires playing on those teams. If those multimillionaires want a new stadium, they can secure the funding themselves since they will be profiting the most. At the most a city or state should do is give a tax break for a set amount of years. I hope that Cleveland fights the Brown’s ownership tooth and nail to keep them from moving and that the city and state don’t cave in and give them hundreds of millions of dollars to build a new stadium.

[@mactheknife7049]

As someone who grew up in Youngstown, Ohio and had a cousin who worked in the original Browns front offices? I was utterly devastated when my cousin called me to tell me that he expected to lose his job by the end of the week because Fart Modell (not a typo) was moving the Browns out of Cleveland. That relocation ended my rooting interest in professional sports, changing my interest in sports to looking at it for what it actually was: an entertainment BUSINESS. That relocation is why I ask sports fans who question my attitude "If you don't own stock in IBM, are you watching a stock ticker every day and rooting for its share price to rise?" It's literally the same thing, just in a different industry; but for three decades it's also been a fascinating, continuing education. As for these Browns? Honestly? Let 'em go. The expansion team has nowhere near the local fan base the original one did; spectacularly bad football over two generations under three completely inept owners will do that.

[@tqnohe]

Boo hoo.

[@mactheknife7049]

@@tqnohe Well, aren't you a ray of sunshine... LOL

[@TL48]

And this was a team selling out their stadium / 80,000+ at Municipal Stadium !!!

[@tqnohe]

Well, we from Baltimore had to wait 11 years after the Colts were whisked away in the middle of the night during a snow storm for the NFL to insult us: - Baltimore expansion proposals were on the table on time. Nashville and Jacksonville were given two extra weeks to come up with theirs. Baltimore was told to combine their packages and also come back. - two weeks later Jacksonville got the expansion. - Baltimore was told that they should build a library or a museum instead. They were told that the NFL was not in the business of expanding into failed markets. They were to they should get a team they was other markets got them. So not expansion, then relocation. - Art Modell, owner of the Browns saw the package Baltimore and Maryland was offering. Haven’t to Cleveland and Ohio asking if they could match it. He was told to go peddle his papers elsewhere. So … - Baltimore got Modell’s team by relocation. As per the NFL’s suggestion and … - nearly everyone from President Clinton to the NFL to the City of Cleveland screamed “NOT THAT TEAM. WE DIDNT MEAN THE BROWNS!!!!” - then the organization that claimed to not be in the business of expanding into failed markets, not only expanded into the failed market of Cleveland, gave them back their name, colors, and records, and pledged money to help them build a stadium. (Baltimore was scolded, told the name, colors, and records of the Colts belonged in Indianapolis, and the ravens would be the expansion team). - when the Houston Oilers moved to Nashville, the business that doesn’t expand into failed markets have Houston a replacement team. Now Cleveland Browns would like to move 15 miles away. So yes. Boohoo.

[@mactheknife7049]

@@tqnohe I think you're remembering the history a little differently than reality on a few points, though with respect to some of this, you're spot-on... Yes, Bob Irsay yanked the Colts from Baltimore in the middle of the night. But there was a legitimate reason for doing so - the next morning, the Maryland state legislature was going to ram through a law that would've allowed the state to seize the team via eminent domain, this keeping it in Maryland and literally taking Irsay's franchise without paying him a cent in the process. The Colts move to Indianapolis was an equal mix of an erratic team owner coupled with a city that had little to no interest in building anyone a new stadium. Voters had passed laws expressly prohibiting tax money from being spent on new stadium projects or even renovations. Laws which would be repealed shortly after learning the NFL intended to expand again for 1995. Irsay meanwhile had over the years teased Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Memphis, Phoenix and St. Louis as potential relocation sites. There was even a brief period where there was a tentative plan in place for the Eagles to move to Phoenix, and the Colts to Philadelphia to replace them. Baltimore had a legitimate opportunity to retain the Colts but chose not to take it. Don't get me wrong, I was no fan of Bob Irsay either, but his situation was one where in retrospect he almost had to do what he did, for fear of losing the franchise. Nashville wasn't an expansion candidate for 1995. The five finalists were Baltimore (which would've been called the Bombers), Charlotte (Panthers), Jacksonville (Jaguars), Memphis (I think it was "Hound Dogs," but I may be wrong on that), and St. Louis (Stallions). Initially the league Charlotte, together with either Baltimore or St. Louis, as the best choices. The St. Louis ownership group imploded in the days prior to the NFL owner's meeting at which they chose Charlotte... they eliminated Memphis, whittling it down to Baltimore vs. Jacksonville - and gave Baltimore a month (not two weeks) to get a better plan in place. It was only after Baltimore's proposed ownership group couldn't come across that Jacksonville got the nod. By contrast, Fart Modell never even hinted at what he was doing, in no small part because despite the NFL's loss in the lawsuit that allowed Al Davis to move the Raiders to Los Angeles - a loss that put sufficient fear into the league's other owners that they rubber-stamped the relocations of the Colts and Cardinals)? In Fart's case they would've stopped him and forced him to sell the team. Why? Because despite attempts to portray him otherwise, Fart Modell was a spectacularly bad businessman. How bad? Bad enough that when he signed Andre Rison? He had to go to five different local banks, borrowing $1 million from each, to cover the signing bonus: no one would loan him more than that. Bad enough that there were times when front office personnel's paychecks were either late or bounced. Bad enough that despite having complete control over Municipal Stadium (and with that collecting rent from the Indians and from special events such as concerts), he began losing money hand-over-fist as soon as the Indians got their new stadium. Bad enough that, even after he got the sweetheart deal he did in Baltimore? He had to sell the team because he was losing money there within a few years. Had the NFL known what Modell was planning? The owners would've forced a sale not because of an intent to relocate, but rather because Modell was woefully undercapitalized in the 1990's era NFL. Paul Tagliabue learned of the intent to move via ESPN's SportsCenter. Modell *definitely* didn't give Cleveland an ultimatum, to match Baltimore's offer or anything else; and the City of Cleveland didn't tell him to "peddle his papers," because they had no idea what he was doing until it had already been done. Cleveland was a bedrock franchise of the NFL from the day it was merged into the league from the AAFC in 1949. What was "given back" to the city wasn't "given," it was part of a lawsuit the city filed - against Modell and every entity he controlled, against the NFL, and anyone and everyone involved in the Baltimore deal... including Al Lerner - a part-owner of the Browns whose only involvement in the move was supplying the private plane Modell flew to Baltimore in. And the city wasn't the only one suing... the Browns largest limited partner also sued - because Modell hadn't even told him. Browns fans didn't blame Baltimore - they blamed Modell, and rightly so. Once the lawsuit was settled that left the team's branding, etc. in Cleveland, Modell attempted to acquire the Colts branding from Jim Irsay. Irsay was willing to sell, but at a price that Modell literally couldn't afford even after the move. Calling Cleveland or Houston a "failed market" however... is akin to calling George Washington, Abraham Lincoln or FDR a bad President - just flat out wrong by any objective standard. Both teams had owners who were assholes in their own way. The only noteworthy differences between them were that (a) from the day he bought the franchise to the day he sold it, Fart Modell was scrambling for cash and teetering on the edge of financial ruin, while (b) Houston's Bud Adams had more money than is decent, and moved the Oilers from Houston chiefly out of spite. After the Oilers move, the NFL finally was able to put in relocation requirements that ended the "rubber-stamp relocation era" that began earlier in the decade by the Raiders lawsuit. The requirements are pretty easily met however, and the Rams return to St. Louis cost the league 9 figures because its owner got approval to move in spite of failing to qualify under them. Ironically, the only team relocation that *has* been disapproved under the new league policies is... when the Oakland/Los Angeles/now Oakland again Raiders applied to relocate (again) to Los Angeles as part of a plan that would've seen either the Raiders and Rams or Raiders and Chargers both go to L.A. Instead, the Chargers and Rams went; and Mark Davis was told behind the scenes that while the league wouldn't let him move back to L.A., he did qualify under the guidelines and that the owners would approve relocation to Las Vegas... which they did.

[@douglasladowski6342]

So giving rapists and criminals guaranteed money solves issues????

[@BoulderCityBlues]

The way this season went you think they would be chipping in to get rid of them.

[@gailgalford3698]

And the other good thing about just making the stadium in Brook Park that’s where their practice field and as far as I know their offices are so you know it’s not like the team will have to go to Arizona and those kind of places for practice at the beginning of the year Navy as fans will get to see more of those

[@jamesparker7729]

They should have asked for a dome for the current stadium. Give in and give them a dome now, and in a few years they’ll have another demand. It never ends!

[@Matthew6248]

Putting a dome in the current stadium is going to require a renovation similar to what the Jaguars' stadium is going to have within the next few years which could mean the Browns would have to find a temporary home to play in during the renovation

[@jwhite4]

@@Matthew6248 Putting a dome on isn't like just draping an umbrella across the top. You'd probably need to add new support beams to handle the weight. All of the outside would need to be enclosed, and HVAC added for AC and heat. Look at the Tampa Rays stadium, that was a dome, lost it in the hurricane, and is looking at maybe $100M just to replace it's existing roof and repair damage. What's the cost to add one from scratch. It's the opposite of Cleveland - an indoor facility never designed to become an outdoor one.

[@maddrone7814]

It might cost more to add the roof if they’re gonna do that. You’ll have to add the supports to the stadium, then the roof. Might cost just as much or nearly as much as a new stadium. At that point, might as well get a new one

[@jwhite4]

@@maddrone7814 Exactly. Similar to "repair vs replace calculations" (for a car, or an appliance) - once repair/upgrade gets to be 40-50%+ of new, there's a very strong argument for going the replacement. Comcast just completed a multi-year $400M renovation of the Wells Fargo Center (indoor area) in South Philadelphia. [I think it was originally slated for $250M.] I can't find the original articles, but I remember them saying it made more sense to renovate the 28yr old facility than try to rebuild it. So it varies from situation to situation which is the better choice.

[@Matthew6248]

​@@maddrone7814 yeah, better to build a new one at this point If they have to stay in cleveland, they'll probably have to demolish the current stadium and build the new one in the same site while the Browns play in a temporary home for a few years ala what the Minnesota Vikings did.

[@Ohionortheast]

Putting football in a dome ruins the game also building a billion dollar stadium every 20 years is ridiculous

[@trixonic6934]

You don’t anything about sports ball. If the browns got a dome they’d win every game at home and it would last at least 32 years until they have no choice but to build a new one to accommodate the browns growing fan base

[@drewstar412]

Idk if a dome ruins the game. I am of the opinion, that it does not. IF, the dome//stadium, is, state of the art, then, it could be in the yearly running to host a Super Bowl. On top of holding any future college bowl games.

[@afrodesiac8064]

​@trixonic6934 the Browns would still have their horrible away and home records but would have a new stadium.

[@JohnGepford]

@@baronvonslambert . You are correct. In fact, look at history. Teams that move to new dome stadiums more often than not, decline (overall). One BIG benefit of a northern city team playing outdoors is weather. They get used to playing in the elements. And, southern/dome teams are not as used to it. And, that gives a big benefit to the home team. History has shown this over and over.

[@vincentkrych2158]

Domes bring in other sporting events NOT just football !

[@GundamGokuTV]

Man imagine if the Browns are saved from their horrible disfunction because the State of Ohio forces the owner to sell the team to the City of Cleveland and whatever other owners they find to invest into it the team. That would be crazy. IDK if this law would make it through the courts. But that's crazy.

[@katemoo9581]

This is a never ending battle

[@billcook4768]

Mortgage the future to trade for a guy with 21 pending SA charges. Give him the richest contract in history. Watch him suck. Watch the rest of the team suck. Demand over $1 billion in taxpayer money.

[@draneym2003]

This to me is no different than demanding the city pay the mortgage and then when it's time to sell saying oh but it's my house I'm keeping the profit

[@ianhall6614]

The slow death of snow games continues

[@effend446]

Today's football is not meant to be played outdoors.

[@SaintGBar22]

I’m honestly fine with that. Nothing is more frustrating than when you spend 1000 to go to a game and it’s freezing or super hot or in baseball when you have rainouts and you live far away so you have to either not go back or take off work again and spend all that money traveling back out. As a consumer give me controlled climate conditions all day

[@Tampafan33]

@@effend446😂😂😂 dumbest shit ever said

[@rflgeneral]

Players health comes first

[@999sfine]

They won’t be happy till it’s a 2hand touch track meet

[@thesamsquatch5224]

It’s really simple.. Haslam wants a stadium he can pay for it plain and simple. He can build a team, stay out of affairs and win games. Then maybe he deserves a stadium. It’s a waste of taxpayers money. Hell no

[@SirGabrielXXXL]

IM A NATIVE CLEVELANDER, THIS IS THE CITY BEING PETTY, THE MAYOR IS ONLY DOING THIS BECAUSE OF RE ELECTION

[@TinoR626]

While it may look that way, just like copyright laws if you don't enforce them you you set a precedent for the next time to say well the didn't enforce it then. Copyright laws stated if you know someone is infringing on your rights and you do nothing about it, you give up that copyright. So it might look petty now but this could save a team from just doing what the brown did in 95. The new lease should state the browns are required to pay all maintenance cost until a payoff game is won in the stadium.

[@mjbset93]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="407">6:47</a> most important part. They will have to reveal their scam.

[@itsnotme07]

Nicely done City of Cleveland! LOL Modell Law. I love it!! Not sure it will hold up if they don't have a lease. On the 50/50 split for tax payer money....If it's up to me, HELL NO! Pay for it yourself you cheap billionaires @#$@!!

[@kryten09]

They'll fold, the owner will get his way... The local government will release some "word salad" like the always do. And they wonder why people "left, right and center" cheer on people like that Luigi guy.

[@psychopathyoutubeemployees280]

@@kryten09 - Wouldn't be surprised either if we see more "Brian Thompson's" soon.

[@SimuLord]

If I had a vote in Cleveland, I'd say the Browns could move to Irkutsk if they wanted to, they're not getting a dollar of my tax money. Same's true no matter where I lived or what team was involved.

[@funkenstienjones8918]

They dont need the dome. Afc north football demands to be outside. Who cares about other venues, there are plenty of places in Cleveland for other venues. Fix the current stadium, leave it open, and stop being so damn greedy.

[@kendeezytv1853]

Tired of the Dome Stadium in the NFL!! Unless you’re in the Desert there’s No Need for it!! Also sick of Billionaire Owners looking for HandOuts 👎🏼👎🏼

[@maddrone7814]

Cleveland: build your own stadium with your own money! Also Cleveland: you’re not allowed to move! You are stuck here!

[@wheelroll]

If they continue to stink up the league I'd be okay if they moved to London, England

[@SaintGBar22]

Yeah except they still want 1 billion in public funds if they move so your point is mute.

[@Firebird1968]

Yep typicall liberal dump and thats why the cities been in decline since the late 70s. People still mad shaking their fist over mills that closed shop and nobody wants to get serious about new opportunities.

[@nowake]

The current stadium was built on Cleveland taxpayer money in the first place - they've got that right.

[@neilaslayer]

Except... WE the taxpayers already BUILT them their goddamn stadium!! To THEIR specifications! ... Perhaps these teams (Or more directly, the LEAGUE itself) need to start paying the cities for their franchise rights, and then start paying the RESIDENTS a dividend, since we subsidize their billionaire owners.

[@SR-bh5jd]

Only asking for one billion? Such a deal.

[@NickTarterOKC]

Pro teams are out of control with regards to stadiums.

[@Kelnx]

If taxpayers have to subsidize sports teams, then taxpayers should have partial ownership of said sports teams.

[@Salsa_Shark]

Ironic, as these are the owners who saved the Columbus Crew from the same shit.

[@stevegarland296]

The NFL needs to build their owhmn stadiums. They can add $10 to each ticket or whatever amount, and use it as a league wide stadium fund. Then split the cost of a new stadium between the league and the team. No more tax breaks or public funding.

[@swissbeats2k]

Art Moddell left the Browns name and colors behind in Cleveland in 1995. The Ravens are considered an expansion team established in 1996.

[@jasonfullerton7763]

And franchise records. Jim Brown was never a Raven, and his records remain part of the Cleveland Browns franchise history.

[@SimuLord]

As it should be (Gary Payton was never on the Oklahoma City Thunder.)

[@tphillips91]

Yes but, a large part of the front office and former team existed for years to come (Ozzie Newsome). Further more the Ravens winning the super bowl in 2001 only added more salt to the wound.

[@Zer0tolerance77]

He didn’t leave them the city of Cleveland filed a lawsuit and they came to an agreement.And the Ravens franchise is the original Cleveland browns franchise the nfl just looks at it as a new franchise there are still people in the Ravens front office that were with the organization in the 70s and 80s. That’s like saying the titans weren’t the oilers

[@kmp9232]

The Cleveland colors name and players should have been held for ransom to get the colts name back. Baltimore great football heroes have all been taken to Indy we should have took Cleveland's but we were too decent to do it

[@neilaslayer]

The VOTERS paid for the Cleveland Browns to resurrect. NOT the Cleveland Browns. The VOTERS paid for the stadium NOT the TEAM owner. The VOTERS should decide, NOT the Cleveland Browns... The FANS finance everything about that team, NOT the team itself.

[@GueroMexicanGT]

The stadium grift continues

[@Godsbackhand7]

The owner makes significantly more money off of this than the city. The city pays for police around the stadium before, during and after events. The city pays for the infrastructure around the stadium that must be supported and requires upkeep. The city receives some tax revenue from sales. The taxpayers who would be footing the bill do not see the benefits of this, as most of them cannot afford to ever go to a game. Most that can go to the games get ripped off on concession prices within the stadium.

[@OhioHoon]

I don't think the Browns do very well with the current stadium lease. That's one reason they want to move. The other reason is their customers [majority of them] hate the current stadium. The current lease deal as I understand is one of the more "city friendly" deals in the NFL. The Browns pay $250,000 per year in rent to the city. They pay for all the utilities, the upkeep of the turf, and other game day expenses [security on the stadium property included] The city [and some private lots] keep all the parking revenue currently. I believe annual parking revenue generated by city owned lots is close to $750,000. The city also collects an 8% admission tax on each ticket. That's got to be worth a few million $ per season. The Browns put $90,000,000 of their own money towards a major stadium upgrade in 2014-15. The city needs to get out of the stadium landlord business and direct those funds elsewhere in the budget. We will hear soon about financing for the new stadium. I understand the public portion of funding is being generated and managed completely different than past stadium deals. I know the product on the field has sucked but I'm firmly behind the owners on this business decision. It is a fair decision for the city and the region.

[@joeriveracomedy]

Didn't they do summerslam there BRUTHURR!? Can't be that bad of a joint.

[@keving4792]

Indoor football SUCKS!

[@liberatovillavicencio7159]

That is one snake bitten organization

[@waynejohanson1083]

I don't want the Browns to leave. They are a institution in Cleveland.

[@demwood8921]

Again, you mean.

[@seancole22]

How there can be no public healthcare, very little social net and crumbling public infrastructure but yet billionairs get billions for stadiums that they get to profit from. Wtf billionaire welfare bums need to start being merced

[@droozilla8803]

Blame your local officials who literally greenlight the money, not the people who see the opportunity to exploit the morons that YOU vote in.

[@AmishEcstasy]

Maybe because we keep electing the same corrupt politicians time after time after time after time

[@markusa4112]

If they build a dome the Cavs better never play a game in it . The Ohio tax payers are already paying for their Newer sport arena for Basketball .

[@craigcavaliere6744]

So the NFL has a salary cap, revenue sharing, and centralized tv broadcasts, but they still cry like MLB owners?

[@markinohio1]

Every decision that Haslam has made, regarding the Browns, has been awful. Berry made the worst trade in the history of the NFL, and yet he is still employed by the Browns and Stefanski is the most overrated coach the Browns have ever had. The guy calls one great game and then seems to forget how to call plays for the next five or six games. Both should be fired immediately and Haslam should be forced to sell to someone that is competent.

[@danmarsh5949]

Can't Browns ownership say, "The team is for sale for only $75 trillion," thus technically satisfying the terms of the deal? What you quoted seems silent on any requirement that the team (or the city) negotiate in good faith on a putative sale.

[@CaptRR]

Then Cleveland would just file for judication, and most likely get a third party to figure out a worth. Oh and it could be seen as acting in bad faith. No they will try to invalidate the law in general. There are some angles to attack from, but the law seems pretty iron clad, though never tested.

[@jrjbertsch]

Get rid of Haslaam

[@JasonDDOLV]

Billionaire Jimmy Haslam, former CEO of Pilot Truck Stops, can pay for a new stadium himself.

[@coreylevine8095]

Yes but not in Downtown Cleveland

[@CaribouDataScience]

What I don't understand why you what spend all that money to build stadium for a team that can't put together two winning seasons in a row?

[@charlesadams1541]

A new Hotel and Cosino

[@Steven-iy8nn]

Why I don’t go to sporting events, refuse to be gouged for millionaire players and owners. If I go I bring my flask and only have a hot dog

[@williamerazo3921]

No for taxpayers

[@daveborkowski7060]

There is way more of a back story here. Art actually purchased the land that eventually became South park mall in Strongsville Ohio (15-20 miles south of Cleveland, and still in Cuyahoga county) and was going to build his own stratum. Both The city of Cleveland and Strongsville fought him all the way. Then the ceiling over his office fell in on him. Then overnight he moved the teem to Baltimore. That being said it's a real PIA going downtown to see a game. Richfield was a much more convenient place to go see 40 Cavs games a year. Brookpark may not be perfect, but is still better then Downtown Cleveland.

[@rubenortiz1884]

What ever happened to football being played as football should be? They had years and years and even some of the best games are the terrible weather games. Football should be played in the mud, the rain, the wind, and the cold.

[@brodiebrazil]

They’re ok with football. They just want another 35 events that can’t be outdoors

[@rubenortiz1884]

@ I don’t think I explained myself or my side of thinking correctly. What is with these sports teams and requiring every sport to be played in a dome? Football in particular is meant to be played in the mud, snow, rain, and cold. If you look back on history some of the best and most memorable games have been terrible weather games. It makes it exciting for everyone and a “anything can happen” type of atmosphere. I understand the perspective of “player safety” and they can claim “fan safety” but to me it just takes away from how sports are meant to be played. I understand and side with the city completely if I didn’t make my position clear enough.

[@kryten09]

​​@@rubenortiz1884 you forgot about the 30+ thousand fans in the seats. What you're describing is almost 100 years ago and mostly not a reality you or I lived in. Such "surface level" thinking. You know what people who pay lots of money to see their team play like? Comfort. That era you speak of before domes and other modern amenities, you know all those people would choose modern amenities over a wooden bench outside in the extreme elements.. right? Oh and those outdoor games you're talking about... Out of thousands of games over 100 years... It's only a few. The vast majority were garbage or average (no difference than any other game played in other conditions) That's like old people's selective memory.

[@rubenortiz1884]

@ I’ve actually been to many a game at the Oakland coliseum where guess what. It been cold, rainy, soggy, muddy, and I had the best time of my life and would give up my left nut to do it again. You come here? Onto an online platform, no facial interaction, and want to talk about reality? You’re more of a joke than George Carlin talking about toilet paper. Any fan (and trust me there’s quite a few in Cleveland) would say they love the cold games and it gives them a somewhat home field advantage. It has been proven that weather is statistically the single biggest hurdle for an away team to face. I’m sure with your “surface level” thinking you didn’t research or look into that. Few and far between? We literally had one games this past month between and let me remind you again for your demented state. The Cleveland browns and the Pittsburgh Steelers. They played in a snow game and Jameis Winston himself even stated “I am so happy and grateful that the lord has blessed me to play in some snow. To be in true football weather in Cleveland, Ohio, at Huntington Bank field today. To give him the glory” So you’re gonna sit there. Behind your computer/ phone and tell me. That a modern. Keep that in mind. MODERN. Football player and these Modern fans. These 30,000+ plus fans. Who paid. Did not enjoy the game, did not experience a memorable snow game, and would rather take a dome for an “average” experience? But hey, I guess looking back a month or so is selective old person memory. Huh kiddo?

[@rubenortiz1884]

@ I’ve actually been to many a game at the Oakland coliseum where guess what. It has been cold, rainy, soggy, muddy, and I had the best time of my life and would do it all again. You come here? Onto an online platform, no facial interaction, and want to talk about reality? You’re got better jokes than George Carlin there bud. Any fan (and trust me there’s quite a few in Cleveland) would say they love the cold weather games and it gives them a somewhat home field advantage. It has been proven that weather is statistically the biggest hurdle for an away team to face. Although I’m sure that must just be “surface level” thinking considering that they did a study on it but whatever. Few and far between? There was a game just this season, this past month or so between the Cleveland browns and Pittsburgh Steelers where it was a snow game and Jameis Winston himself even stated “I am so happy and grateful that the lord has blessed me to play in some snow. To be in true football weather in Cleveland, Ohio, at Huntington bank field today. To give him the glory.” So you’re going to sit there behind your phone/ computer and tell me. That a modern. Keep that in mind. MODERN. Football player and these modern fans. These 30,000+ fans. Who paid. Did not enjoy the game, did not experience a memorable snow game, and would rather take a dome for the “average” nfl experience? But hey, I guess looking back a month or so is selective old person memory. Huh kiddo?

[@derekbuck2369]

City of Cleveland loses all hotel tax, 20,000 plus cars paying to park, restaurants and such losing business and tax revenue, etc etc. If haslem wants new stadium, he should pay for the whole thing himself. Then there wouldn't be any problem

[@OhioHoon]

This will be a short term hit to the businesses and that tax stream to the city. I really don't see the city of Cleveland itself losing on this deal other than negative PR. I think they will actually come out ahead as far as $ goes. Also, they will benefit from better lakefront development plans that don't the require a line item in the city budget to be a stadium landlord. Maybe the Haslams will pay off the remaining obligation the city has on the debt to current stadium? I don't know what that number is, but I don't think its huge

[@georgehand]

Another thing Oakland should have done!!!

[@86byrdman]

and SF too as far as the Niners go

[@maddrone7814]

Oakland is broke

[@GreatRajsel]

There's no way taxpayers will accept to pay half of that.

[@josephschwarten6468]

There is a lot more to this. The City of Cleveland has been even trying to make a deal to let the browns have the surrounding area around the current stadium for development. As someone who lives in the city limits, I'd be fine with them leaving just because they are such a money suck on the city's resources. Still, with the Modell law it makes it so if the Haslems want any kind of tax funding, they can't leave the city of Cleveland. Which to me is fine considering we really should stop subsidizing these billionaires. Also the idea that it would be better for the region is a joke. Getting maybe one extra major concert a year isn't going to be 2.2 billion dollars worth of a game changer around here. It's a really bad situation because of the terrible owners we have for the Browns.

[@jeandelisi9441]

A art museum is more beneficial to a region, a factory is more beneficial than a stadium.

[@FirearmofMutiny]

There is no bigger drain on modern society than a sports team that constantly sucks. Sports teams are an asset to the community only if they win.

[@derekbuck2369]

Built new stadium in suburbs, demolish current stadium and build a Buc-ee's on that site. Cleveland finally wins.😂

[@scottohara9001]

I’d never support paying for an NFL stadium

[@thomasjoseph3488]

The law isn't tenable. It violates free trade, especially with the completion of the contractual obligations of the lease.

[@pinverarity]

“Free trade” isn’t an issue. That’s because of the public money; take public money and you surrender the right to so-called “free trade” (which is a fictional concept anyway, but that’s a whole other topic).

[@thomasjoseph3488]

@pinverarity This law added provisions that interfere with a previously consummated contract (after 2028). It's Constitutional. Once the lease is done, no restrictions that are not in that document or other agreed document can be enforced that limits a sale of a private business. Their contract has been fulfilled.