Mountain Hunting Rifle Setup

[@hummervee3395]

Your videos are by far the best. Here are some things I do when shooting in the field. I use a gun mounted bipod. I’ll “load” it by first getting set up in prone and seating the rubber feet a little. I then scoot my whole body forward to take out all of the movement/slop in the bipod joints by putting a little forward load on it. I also dial elevation and hold for wind. I don’t dial windage because it is often changing while setting up for the shot. Those of us with a SFP scope need to remember to be on the correct magnification for the reticle to be accurate. If I can’t shoot prone, I’ll shoot off my tripod. I machined a dovetail mount compatible with my bino tripod which is attached to the forearm of my stock. It quickly slides into my tripod. I then shoot in the sitting position. I have noticed I’m most steady with the gun weight about 70% to the rear as opposed to the gun weight being balanced on the tripod. I have a cosine indicator mounted on the pic rail. I’m decent at decimals which allows me to quickly adjust from my dial moa as needed. Two things for me (and others) to remember. First, be sure the rangefinder isn’t set so it’s already compensating for angle. Second, keep in mind wind value stays the same regardless of shooting angle. When buying a scope, I make sure the magnification dial turns easily. It’s very important when zooming out to find landmarks then zooming in to find the animal. Sometimes I zoom in and out many times in the process of locating the animal. It’s crucial to keep the scope stationary when doing this. If it’s not prime time, I’ll practice all of this on a doe or species I’m not hunting at the time. I’ve hunting with several guys that can’t find the animal in their scope when it’s shooting time!

[@hamiltonharper]

It's rare that I find a video where I am pausing every few seconds to take notes but this is one of those just packed with great information. Even as far as the recommendation on the LR shooting course was gold. Thanks for sharing this!

[@CliffGray]

Glad it was helpful! 👍

[@jeffnelson9052]

So worth the time my time! I’m an average hunter but I’ve been hunting Montana and Alaska for 40 years and I appreciate your advice and years of experience! Great job Cliff! Thanks

[@CliffGray]

thanks Jeff!

[@chrisgreenhagen1717]

@@CliffGray 😊 23:53 23:54

[@ericb.4358]

Thanks for this very professional rundown on what makes a true mountain rifle. I agree, "Practice far, hunt close." My Nevada mountain rifle setup: RIFLE-> 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro (6 lbs. 3 oz. empty & "naked") SCOPE-> Bushnell Elite LRTS 4.5 - 18 x 44 with illminated G3 small "Xmas tree" reticle for wind holds. Carbon fiber hiking poles with Weisner Quick stiX adaptors to make the hiking poles very quickly and securely into adjustable shooting sticks. I'm putting flush cup sling swivels on the X-bolt at the original locations as well as the left side so I can carry it slung flat across my back diagonally. Most gunsmiths feel flush cup swivels are the strongest. So does the US military.

[@CliffGray]

Thanks Eric👍 sounds like a great setup on your end

[@campsitez2355]

6.5 Creedmoore is perfect for women

[@michaelnelson1911]

Awesome video. I have built my last couple of rifles with a very similar setup. Your information confirms my style and thinking. I echo your thoughts on 270 and the 7mm. Those are my go to calibers and I have never been left wanting more. Killed deer, antelope, elk and moose. Almost every animal has been a one shot kill, because I try and get in close. Never taken more than a 350 yard shot. I Applaud long range shooting. But I think hunting should be about having ethical kill shot at closer ranges.

[@CliffGray]

Thanks man!

[@russellkeeling4387]

Thank you and I agree. I believe hunting and long range shooting are two different things.

[@campsitez2355]

It's true the only thing stopping .270 from being a great caliber is .007" and it's unfortunate the new military rifle isn't in .284 caliber.

[@nmelkhunter1]

Choose the cartridge you can shoot…Very savvy and sage advice. Your opinion on the 7MM Rem Mag is well put, especially since mine have never let me down. 🤠

[@CliffGray]

Thanks man! 7mm has killed a bunch of elk!

[@richardlucas2155]

I agree with all u said and the muzzle break really helps accuracy and flinch for some great info reloading your own ammo helps a lot too

[@billrogus8889]

Absolutely fantastic video. I learned more about bipods, tripods and pack shooting than anything out there. This guy is very good at explaining why he uses the gear he likes and the pros and cons of those systems.

[@CliffGray]

thanks Bill!

[@mattpastell3728]

I agree with your caliber recommendations. I’ve used my .270 for over 40 years on deer, antelope and elk. While it’s a good long range caliber, I personally limit my distance on elk to broadside shots under 100 yards. I am being tempted to try either the 6.5 or 7mm PRC’s.

[@CliffGray]

👍

[@Raevenswood]

for shooting sticks I just use my trekking poles... cross the handles into the straps and make an X out of them and rest the rifle in the V created by the straps. it works well and you can adjust height all the way up to standing. For packing in I prefer items that can. be used for multiple things... the trekking poles also pitch my tent so they sever three purposes.

[@Rucksack57]

Great advice. I have been reloading and shooting 1000's of rounds a year. At ground squirrels this has been great training. The last few years I have cut over to nice precharged air rifles this lessons the travel that I have to do to shoot powder burners. I have changed my rest over the years from bipods to bags to Trigger stix. Air rifles with nice scopes are great training tools. The scope allows me to shoot to great distances with a powder burner or air rifle. Shooting pellets which are wind sensitive and have a great amount of drop teaches you and transfers to long range shooting. I have swapped to slugs in the air rifles this allows me to shoot out to 175 yard or more. Get a great scope I tactical scopes. Great Advice Good advice listen up folks.

[@johnathanrivard6614]

Im 17 years old, 6’2” and just over 200 pounds and i love my tikka T3 in 300 win mag. They are just such solid and nice rifles for your money.

[@CliffGray]

good stuff!

[@2bakeww]

Great information for me as a beginner LR shooter and rifle hunter. I use to calibrate torque wrenches, even the super fancy snap on needs to be set to minimum to retain.

[@CliffGray]

Good to know! Thanks

[@steveschott645]

Overall I agree with you about most all you said in this video. You said your favorite calibers are the 7mm Rem Mag which I agree with completely. Where I would disagree is with the 370 Winchester. I feel the 280 Remington is a superior cartridge, if for no other reason you have a bigger bullet selection. My favorite is the 7mm Rem Mag, but as I've gotten older and more broken down (I've had both shoulders replaced), I needed to go with less recoil. As such, I've gone with the 289 Ackley Improved. Since I am a handloader, I get real close to 7mm Rem Mag velocities out of my 280 AI without the recoil. I also have a muzzle brake on it and a Decelerator recoil pad. My rifle is a Kimber Mountain Ascent and comes in at 5.4 pounds unloaded. Scope is a 4-16. The rifle fully loaded and scope and sling the rifle is right at 6.9 pounds. I shoot this rifle very accurately from any position and can carry it all day without getting tired. You give great advise and information!

[@beenstork]

Caldwell makes a great Pic rail that attaches to your existing sling stud. I have them on two of my rifles and they are solid and also have a hinged sling stud attached to the pic rail adaptor so you do not loose the functionality of having a sling stud. The best part about them is that they can easily be removed and will not damage or change your rifle stock in any way

[@petera1117]

And on sale right now for 15.99 Amazon prime day deal! Lol. Just bought one.

[@austinanderson8485]

Used Caldwell 30” bipod for years grest height to take a knee or seat and be above anything on the ground but also be steady used my howa 1500 in 270 for over 10 years now and killed many elk could deer and countless coyotes along the way always love seeing these videos as any ideas can helpful to anyone new or seasoned

[@nickb8618]

When I was 18-19 yrs years old was the rise of the wsm’s and picked up a browning a bolt 7mm wsm and a winchester model 70 300 wsm (added a Witt brake). Both with nikon monarch optics. They are still my two go to big game rifles 20 yrs later. Buy once cry once. The 7mm wsm was way way way underrated and was the best of the bunch of the wsm’s. Ammo availability isn’t a issue for me I have enough and enough brass for two lifetimes. I do prefer the 7mm over the 300. Here I thought I was the only one that’s ocd with the wheeler fat wrench checking torque on my rifle 😂. I have always mounted, lapped and boresighted my own rifles. I like the 42-44mm scopes bigger objective for the reasons you mentioned but sleek enough to not be a monster thing hanging ontop of the gun. Kestrel 5700 that links to a app on my phone with the ballistics of my two rifles and my brothers saved so I can call dope for him. My triggers on all my rifles have to be set around 2.5lbs

[@CliffGray]

sounds like you have your setup dialed man!

[@nickb8618]

@@CliffGray I’ll prob be hunting with the same two rifles when the sun sets on my ability to hunt

[@paulcox9366]

I think people fall in love with the idea of shooting the 300wm because you can stretch it out for longer shots. But what i have found in Australia that there is alot of second hand 300wm for sale where its stated that its had " minimal use to sight in ". Guess they buy them and realise they are too much for the person shooting them. I haven't used one yet

[@jimbob9799]

Swagger bipods are in my opinion the best and most adjustable for all hunting terrain

[@CliffGray]

I'll check them out! thanks

[@jeffreygibbons6878]

Excellent video! Practical knowledge dense goodness

[@Anschutz270]

The best rest is the one on your rifle if you've got the right one. With practice you can shoot MOA prone with a good sling. I like a synthetic highpower sling like the one Turner Saddlery makes.

[@flaganpetska6179]

Youre a real stand up guy. Youre not the type that says “you gotta buy this and spend $$$ or youre not going to have a successful hunt. Youre clear about value and not just about the money spent. I subscribe heavily to your view on the quality of your optic and its attachment points. I, personally, have chosen Maven for my optics. But leupold vx-3 and up would be great. Anything vortex above the diamondback line would be great. One piece of advice i would pass on to new hunters is not to start cheap with your rifle. This is contrary to your $1500 mountain rifle video but i dont think that video was intended for people who are going to hunt every year. Buy the rifle you need. This tikka is a great example. A bergara b14 if you can find a lighter one or a howa 1500 are also great options. It just hurts a lot less to build the $2500 setup right away than to sell the $1500 setup for $600 and still have to build the $2500 rifle.

[@CliffGray]

thanks for the nice comment. I appreciate it! For someone looking to be in hunting for a lifetime, no issues spending some money on a nice rifle.

[@ryanpauls7077]

Hey Cliff, Man your videos are awesome. thanks for putting your time in to make these for us. I have a Tikka T3 Stainless 300WSM, and absolutely love your build. What model of Stock are you running from B&C and what kind of muzzle break do you have on, I love how it sits flush with the barrrel. Keep it up Man. your wisdom goes a long way. Thanks!

[@CliffGray]

Thanks Ryan. That muzzle brake is from a small gun smith here in Colorado - I believe it’s called Valley Gun Services. They make those brakes in house. Been years since I had them do one. Always worked well for me.

[@granterwin7882]

What stock is that I have a tikka t3 7mm mag and info on hunting stocks is hard to come by

[@Brian-bn8ey]

300wby, factory 180gr partitions, MPBR ranged to 340yds. it's been working for me for 35 years

[@highliner907]

Being born and raised in Alaska I’ve only ever hunted with my Remington 7mag and it never failed me

[@SP6X6]

I have hunted grizzly wilderness my whole life.Gave up my 7mm when I Was 20.went to a 340wby for maybe 30 years then a custom 7# 338 NM,since 2010.Bad elk medicine, I roll em at 850.Put my kid and other in it for game at 600+.Got my boy on a 200 muley with that set up across small canyon.

[@striderwolf687]

Very thorough vid and explanation of each piece! I was curious if you had some recommendations on bullet type from the hundreds of hunts you’ve seen guides and what folks carry. I know many swear by certain ones or what their rifles shoot best, but if you had to choose 5-7 bullet makers and types for a 7mm rem mag, what would they be?

[@itsdanielpish]

Yes! that’s a great question

[@dtconnelly]

Thank you for mentioning hearing pro along with muzzle brakes. I'm not averse to recoil (I own a .276 Steyr that weighs less than 8 pounds) so I don't really care for brakes, but I've spent lots of time next to folks running them.....

[@CliffGray]

👍

[@calebshafer2648]

Yeah I’ll vouch for the hatch bipod. Expensive compared to most, but so versatile it’s worth every penny

[@CliffGray]

I agree

[@javitl7382]

I used one of these borrowed from a close friend. On a recent December elk hunt in CO. It totally failed on me (legs collapsed and wouldn't support my rifle) I've shot off it before he shoots thousands of rounds per year off it. I think my gun being heavy ~14lbs+cold+snow was too much. Folded it down stacked 2 packs and harvested my elk with 1 at 450. Murphys law is a certainty in the mountains. I agree with long range practices shooting at 1000+ at least once a month makes 450-600 feel like a chip shot when it counts.

[@javitl7382]

Also suppressors.

[@skydiver6711]

I can't believe you skipped over the 30.06 and went straight to the .270.

[@codyrivenburgh6007]

For recoil reasons... Id go with 270 over 7mm rem mag....and 3006 over 300 win........for the guys that don't care about recoil so much...id shoot a 300 win over the 3006 or the 7 mm rem mag

[@nativewarrior5052]

My first choice as a center-fire rifle has always been a 270. As a child I figured more power than a 308 and less recoil than a 30-06. I've since bought my first rifle, a Savage 270 in 2017 and love this rifle. Made shots to 1200 yards with the 2.5-15x50 Bushnell Forge I put on this incredible rifle

[@youngin881]

He said it was just his opinion.

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

The word is cartridge not caliber. 7mm08, 7 REM Mag, 280 AI are all .284/7mm caliber cartridges. Otherwise another excellent and thorough and informative video. Thanks for sharing Cliff. 🤠

[@marcosgil9707]

Im just curious when I go on the manufacturer website I’m selecting a gun, why do the sort them by caliber and not cartridge?

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

@@marcosgil9707 because even some of those manufacturers use those two words interchangeably even though it’s incorrect. A caliber is the diameter like 6mm, 6.5mm, .277, .284/7mm .30 cal, etc… a cartridge is the assembly of all of the components from the bullet, powder, brass, primer. People also say horn when for an elk or deer 🦌 it’s actually antler.

[@gorillahd9247]

Excellent video with solid information.

[@butchalvarado6092]

Hey cliff. You should check out the 28 nosler. That one is here to stay. She’s a tack driver

[@CliffGray]

yeah man, great caliber

[@georgetrantow]

Cliff: Great information. How about a video on cheek rests combined with your excellent ideas on shoe glue and an eye-relief setup? My Tikka Superlite is very similar to yours with a muzzle brake and Victor Co Titan cheek rest. I recently put a Beartooth cheek rest on my son's rifle. I will add some shoe glue as another anchor on my cheek rest.

[@CliffGray]

Thanks George! This winter I’ll try to get together a video on my tikka. It actually took an insane wreck on a backpack… several hundred feet. But i just got it back repaired and shooting well!

[@akathecanadian]

As a British Columbia resident and hunter, 300 win mag, 7 mag, 30-06, 28 nosler and 7 SAUM are more or less the common stuff. I have a lever 4750 for the way too close stuff 😅. I think most hunters will be more than satisfied with a 7 mag or 300 if they want a bit more punch than a 30-06. At least I am

[@utahreadiness]

New to hunting and made the jump to a 7mm PRC. Hope I did buy to big of a caliber for elk.

[@CliffGray]

It’ll work just fine! 👍

[@colenielsen5112]

Awesome video, thank you for the info!

[@Eiflerisch]

Thx Cliff, "Waidmannsheil" from Germany

[@everettsweet80]

My friend Dale runs a Sauer in 300 weatherby Mag. Swears by it and 9/10 times will not take anything else

[@johndon121]

Are those hatch bipods the 27 or 36?

[@andreisharma]

Why do people ignore the 338 win mag. Just a necked up 7mm. 300 is just a lot of powder a bit overboar. That high velocity recoil sucks. A slow hard shove isn’t bad

[@nickburke7689]

What stock is that? Thanks

[@johndon121]

Awesome video. Your channel is excellent and objective. I see you have a tikka. I bought a Tikka T3x lite 7mm rem mag. What make and model stock did you put on your tikka? Have you upgraded your barrel too?

[@johnlehman4258]

Which length Hatch bipod do you use or recommend?

[@rogerramjet7567]

Times are changing. You didn’t mention the 06.. still can buy ammunition for it. Hard to find ANYTHING ELSE NOW. 😢

[@jackdundon2261]

I don't say it lightly, but I do believe the 30+06 is the winner of the one gun debate. I haven't used one for years.... But, nice to know I have a few of them. In the safe.

[@dw6090]

Jack would b proud of u

[@jackdundon2261]

Nothing wrong with the 270 of your only going after coyotes! (I like the bigger calibers like Elmer). Though, the last couple years, I am running a 270, a 270 WSM. She is wicked with 130 Nosler partitions. Though, a hurning partner told me to get my 300 RUM out for next week's elk hunt. He thinks I might have to shoot 1000 yards. (oh boy).

[@greghertzberg6220]

I mounted a v shaped pad on one of my packable walking sticks. Shot a bull from it last year. I can hike out with it just like normal.

[@MIDNIGHTSUNALASKA]

Cliff, Cool video…work on distinguishing between “caliber” and “cartridge.”

[@BucksawBoushh]

As somebody new to hunting, I'm very grateful I found your channel. Very helpful. Picked up a 308 as my first rifle. Thoughts on the calibre?

[@CliffGray]

Glad the channel is useful! .308 is a great caliber. Great ammo availability... elk, deer, bears, everything in the states - it works great. Good luck!

[@Timberdam]

Awesome Video, I.ve already shared to all my hunting budies/// Did you mention RANGE FINDER ?

[@paulsmith740]

Great videos, Cliff! Quick question: do you recommend the normal or tall hatch bipod?

[@CliffGray]

I use the tall one 👍

[@alexkyle2980]

Can you put a link for the bipod that you’re talking about here? Thank you and enjoyed the video!

[@lakerchaser5280]

Hi Cliff, I'm super stoked to have stumbled across your videos. They are so informative and a wealth of knowledge. I was wondering which size bipod you use? The standard or the tall? Also are you a taller guy or shorter guy? I'm trying to determine which bipod size would work best for me. Thank you

[@CliffGray]

I use a hatch bipod or my trekking poles with a Quik stix adapter, both are adjustable where I can shoot prone to Indian style. I’m 6’. The Harris bipods don’t vary enough. I use to use them but I just find better options now Hope that helps. Thanks

[@cpaoutdoors9926]

Depends on what mountains you are hunting in the north east big woods the Remington 7600 in 35 whelen or 30 06 the marlin 336 in 35 Remington or the browning blr in 358 Winchester but then again we track we are woodsmen and if I can’t get within 100yds of my game I shouldn’t be hunting

[@melvinsacromentoe]

Nice video thank you

[@richg1221]

Hi Cliff on my 2020 Montana elk hunt. Both hunting partners had there magazines freeze in there new tikka rifles. ( granted the weather was exstream) my old sako with a hinged floor plate did not suffer this. Have you experienced any issues with yours or have your clients?

[@CliffGray]

I haven’t had the magazine freeze… sounds like there had to have been some humidity build up. I say that because I have had light fire pin strikes with tikkas. Late season hunts in crazy cold temps, -10 or worse type stuff. Only happens if vehicle is involved… rifle going in/out of heated vehicle gets some condensation going

[@jamesmooney5348]

So, you still guide? I'll check out your web site. Great video. I really like the Tikka's.

[@CliffGray]

Hi James, for the most part I don’t guide much any longer. In future years I’ll probably guide some to keep my skillset up… but for now I am focusing on my own hunts and friends’ hunts. 👍👍👍

[@jamesmooney5348]

@@CliffGrayGood for you. You can pick and chose and really enjoy quality of life!

[@jacksteele13]

Love my Tikka 300win

[@darrensmall4313]

What are your thoughts and experience with hunters using silencers to quiet rifles?

[@CliffGray]

They are awesome. It’s too bad they are a pain to get in some states. I hope they become common in western hunting. A little hassle with some extra barrel length but overall awesome

[@ChaskeJohnson]

Great videos. Thanks

[@wolverinekut]

Thank you Sir for information 😎👍🔥💯

[@nickj4850]

I’ve seen many types of tikka. What is the full name of the gun? Thanks

[@CliffGray]

All my Tikkas are T3 Stainless

[@MountainMan7.62x39]

Do you have any advice for someone with a visual impairment shooting rifle?

[@bReNdA-zb4dj]

What stock did you put on the rifle?

[@user-lo9jf6kq2b]

What are your thoughts for mounting an arca rail for the bipod?

[@CliffGray]

That is fine too, vs the pic rail. Its just a compatibility choice. Go through your system, tripod, spotting scope, panhead, rifle attachements, and figure out how to minimize the hassle.

[@gabell727]

When you retorque your scope so often, aren't you afraid of affecting the point of impact? I have had trouble with a heavy kicking magnum slipping, and even destroying the (crappy Warne Tikka rings). I have also had trouble wth slippage even with a 308 with those terrible rings. I use piccatinny rails from Mountain Tactical now, along with the most expensive (matched) Vortex rings -- the best I could get at the time ($250). I have 3 Tikkas, the 300 win mag has a NightForce 2.5-20x50. I do over torque beyond specs a good bit, but so far, so good! All 3 rifles really are sub .5 MOA. I think the manufactures torque specs, especially for rings, are often too cautious if you have high quality and even mounted scopes and rings. The 300 win mag is a Tikka Veil Alpine- you wouldn't believe how mild the recoil is. I now only shoot it with the muzzle brake and its not much worse than the Tikka T3 308. Thanks for all the great videos, Cliff, you are a treasure!

[@CliffGray]

I always torque to spec but agree that a few lbs over probably isn’t doing anything. Good rings, even tightening of screws, etc… avoids slipping in my experience quality rings is huge. I’ve actually guided hunters that had their scopes off zero, retorqed the ring screws, resulting in the gun coming right back to their zero. If your rings are torqued to x lbs when you zero, they should be torqued to x lbs every time you shoot. Just controlling another variable. At least that’s how I view it. Thanks for the comment!

[@LRRPFco52]

With heavy-recoiling rifles, your optics and optics mounting solutions are more prone to being damaged or coming loose. I think this is one of the reasons why the .30 bores had higher average travel distances on moose from the shot location in the 14,000+ sample size Scandinavian game hunting survey. It isn’t because .30 bores are ballistically-inferior for terminal performance, just that they are harder to shoot often, harder to shoot well from lightweight rifles, while maintaining secure mounting solutions and optics internals' integrity. 6.5s and 7mms performed better in that survey, with shorter travel distances from the shot. If you are shooting heavy-recoiling magnums or even lightweight .308s, it’s a good idea to use rings and scopes from the same manufacturer, or have rings lapped to that particular scope by a smart, experienced gunsmith. You’ll also want to use rings with at least 2 sets of fasteners per ring, not the single fastener rings. Rings I have never had problems with: NightForce, Badger Ordnance, issue M3A rings with the M24 Sniper Weapon System, ArmaLite, DTA/Desert Tech, and Seekins Precision when talking bolt guns (I have far more mounts for ARs). I also measure my scope tubes to see if they are in-fact the exact tube diameter stated, and every quality/high dollar scope has been within spec so far. Only wealthy men can afford cheap optics and rings, especially when you factor in what it costs time-wise for a hunt or shooting course. I grew up with legacy Weaver 4x on my .270 Win, but my first scope purchase was a $1200 Leupold. NightForce and Vortex Viper PST Gen II or Razor are kind of the gold standards in ruggedness/reliability/durability. I’ve seen a lot of scopes literally break within the morning of a long range course, or early in their life with a low round count. Over-torquing can strip out the threads in the ring. The combined torque values of 4 fasteners in one ring are sufficient to retain zero and securely hold the scope. I used to do accuracy-testing for a high dollar precision rifle company that builds everything from .243 to .50 BMG rifles. I would go to the range with a truck full of rifles chambered in .308 to .338LM, and migrate the same scope from one rifle to the next when shooting proof groups for the customers. Rifles had to shoot 1/2” or they didn’t ship. The scope I was using was a Schmidt & Bender PMII, which I eventually broke. The side focus died on it after weeks of .308, .300 Win Mag, and .338 Lapua Magnum. The mount stayed true without the scope ever coming loose. That was a one-piece mount, 34mm rings of course.

[@gabell727]

@@LRRPFco52 Thanks fpr the informative reply. I do over torque my rings compared to manufacturer specs.a lot. I probably do not have as much experience with it as you. With high quality rings, steel or 7075 aluminum, I have even torqued them to 50 inch pounds, taking care that everything is even. I have not had any adverse event doing so. I have had screws torqued to 50 break on me when removing, with rings using smaller screws. Luckily, I am skilled at removing them! I have adopted the practice of torqueing rings for 22LR to 25 pounds, standard centerfires to 30 pounds, and 300 win mag to 35 pounds. This has worked well for me. I dont use any cheap scopes or rings. All my guns are superbly accurate, or they are sold. In the case of the 22LR, I am torquing so tight primarily to guard against bumps and drops; I have good solid scopes and mounts on them too.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@gabell727 A big potential problem scope manufacturers have pointed out is the cumulative torque compressing the rings can distort or deform the scope tube body, especially 6061 tubes or lighter scopes. The next issue is what you've already experienced: fasteners snapping. Another issue I I've seen multiple times with Aero Precision lightweight mounts is the rings actually failing. This is why I follow reputable manufacturer torque specs and don't exceed them.

[@gabell727]

@@LRRPFco52 I am aware of this, and I have also read that the most likely part to fail is the paralax adjustment. When this happens, it should be obvious, as the knob will not turn. This has never happened to me, but It is sometimes solved by simply loosening the rings. Highend rings with appropriately sized screws can take 50 pounds with no problem; I am only going to 35. I have seen knuckleheads who damaged their screws and rings. I dont think they used a torque wrench. That might be OK for some, but not for them. My Nightforce, Leupold, and highend Nikon scopes have endured my torqueing for years. They all have lifetime warranties which I have never used. I always have a spare rifle. I don't use lock tight, I never retorque my scopes unless remounting, and they have never slipped as far as I know. My point of impact is there. Since it has been working so well for me, I don't plan to change. I knew I was taking a risk, but it has worked out well for me. Now that I have bragged about it, they will now probably all fall apart!

[@salvatoredisimone7430]

Hi Cliff, Awesome show!! Have a quick question. The cheek rest on your rifle. What brand is it and do you like it? been looking for one. Thanks Sal

[@CliffGray]

Hey Sal, I tried to look up that cheek rest and ammo pocket in my old orders but can't find it. I have had it for years - I do like it. It looks just like the cheap ones you can buy on Amazon from Allen Company. That may even be what it is. It's an expensive thing but gets the job done. I don't like the leather ones, personally. Thanks!

[@salvatoredisimone7430]

@@CliffGray Thanks Bud, hope to bump into you in the Flattop this season .

[@sixriversexcavation]

What’s your opinion on Remington 7MM-08

[@CliffGray]

Good caliber - technically better than the .308 but the .308 has way better ammo availability. .308 is more practical for most folks because of this.

[@headcarter4656]

Where did you get the hat? And what is the name of it?

[@CliffGray]

That's a Kemo Sabe hat, a client gave it to me years ago as a tip

[@seangagliardo4318]

How do you feel about the 6.5 PRC for everything in the lower 48?

[@CliffGray]

Yeah, no problem. Accuracy is king 👍

[@RedBeardLongRange]

Psssst: put a good break on a 300 win mag and you’ll be shocked at how easy the recoil is to manage 😁

[@alvaroaguera5969]

Is shooting off trekking poles a no for long range shooting or is the bipod absoutely necessary

[@CliffGray]

Hey Alvaro - just depends on the situation and distance. Best to just go practice at varying distances and setups. If I can’t keep the crosshairs within vital-sized area… I move to a sturdier setup. For me, shooting prone off a bipod vs shooting sticks, the group size at a 100yd test is roughly 1” worse. At 300-400yds it opens up to a 3-4” differential worse group.

[@alvaroaguera5969]

@@CliffGray appreciate the response ill make sure to grab one your videos help alot man i appreciate it

[@bchubble]

Awesome information in your videos Cliff, thank you. What factory ammunition would you recommend for elk in 7mm rem mag?

[@CliffGray]

160-190grn, try a couple different ones and see what groups best from your rifle.

[@FingersCrossedOutdoors]

What’s your thoughts one the .257 weatherby

[@CliffGray]

I don’t have any experience with it, but I don’t split hairs on calibers. Guys are going to tell you it’s too light for elk… bullets weights below 130grn, etc… That’s bs if you can shoot it accurately. I’m a skinny little recoil sensitive nerd so I spent a lot of my time elk hunting with a .270. Very similar energy, ballistics and recoil. 👍

[@tyleredwards4426]

Hey brother, what kind of hat is that if you don't mind me asking.

[@CliffGray]

That’s a kemo sabe Gus hat. Years ago the owner of those stores gave it to me as a tip… that was a long time ago!

[@russellkeeling4387]

I have owned and used both 7mm and 300 mag. and I still own the 300 and got rid of the 7mm. For deer, bear, elk, buffalo, and sheep I have never needed more than my 30-06. I do really like my .35 Whelen and will never get rid of it. The poor mans magnum and the closest comparable caliber to it is the 9.3x62. During my life I have seen more elk walk away after being shot with a 7mm mag. than any other rifle. Thank goodness none of them were shot by me. I also got rid of the .338 mag. after I got my .35 Whelen.

[@Bouldergoat]

Where did you get the 35 Whelen? I've only seen the single shot rifles.

[@russellkeeling4387]

@@Bouldergoat I ordered it through my local firearms dealer. Lipsey's only made a limited number of 35 Whelens in their #1 rifle. I got my first one from CVA in a break action Scout model.

[@MrHf4l]

Is that a bell and Carlson stock?

[@CliffGray]

Yes

[@williamchristy3063]

Hold up there. A standard 30-06 has always been the most dependable caliber rifle big game gun in the world since world war 2. It'll take down anything America (including Alaska) has to offer.

[@CliffGray]

Yeah 30-06 is a good caliber 👍

[@johngeddes7894]

My pop was stationed at a base in Caif. where 2 of his buddies got the itch to bear hunt around Kenai for browns, so they checked out 2 Garands from the armory and away they went. They found a huge boar and one took his shot, which pissed the bear off and charged these 2 fearless Marines. They emptied stripper clip after stripper clip into that bear, which ended up dying right at their feet. That pretty much ended their urge to hunt brownies in Alaska. .30/06 ball ammo; 165 g military issue. These were guys that shot match with my pop. They never missed.

[@Timberdam]

Luv my Tiika What kind of stock ? Manners , Mcmillian ?

[@CliffGray]

mcmillian

[@mattrobinson2910]

280 AI best of both

[@jackdundon2261]

It's good but you better be a hand loader!!! Actually I have some ammo and brass (need it)? Nevermind, it's just 280 Remington (not ackly).

[@mattrobinson2910]

@@jackdundon2261 I have Nosler 160 Accubond and Hornady ELD-X 162 grain ammo, but have fire formed some 280 for loading.

[@naturalstatehunter5591]

What model nightforce do you recommend? Also, what zoom range do you recommend?

[@CliffGray]

That is a NXS 50, 5.5-22. Magnification depends on use. If you are talking open country, sheep/goat/mulies, a high magnification is nice. However, in thicker country it can be a detriment. Harder to reacquire targets. For higher mag scopes you also need a larger objective for light gathering... heavier, bulky, less likely to fit in a scabbard, etc... Because I am really dependent on holding the wind with my reticle and always shoot a second focal plane scope, I keep my scopes on the highest magnification 99% of the time and choose them for my rifles based on that. Outside of big mountain hunts, something like a 4.5-14x40mm is good "all-around".

[@naturalstatehunter5591]

True Hunts I’ve kind of got my eye on the nightforce 42, 2.5x10 NXS. I think for 500 yards and less it’ll do the job. Thanks for the reply, I always enjoy your videos!

[@jackdundon2261]

All BS. Aside nightforce vs Leupold vx3hd or vx5/vx6 Leupold good enough? Or get the nighforce, or step up to a swarsky?

[@scottH18370]

I listen to this video eight times and still cannot understand what bipod you’re using

[@CliffGray]

Hey Scott - I’m working on more clarity - this was an older video… but hey man thanks for watching 8 times 😜 That is a Hatch bipod. You have to install a forearm pic rail. I show that setup on my $1,500 mountain rifle setup video. Here in next few weeks I’m reviewing the Quik-stix clip adapter, so if you have trekking poles with you all the time you might consider it. I’ve heard good things. Hope that helps. Good luck 👍

[@scottH18370]

So with the Quick-stix clip would replace the bipod?

[@dallasball6624]

I see the Primos adjustable shooting sticks. They are a great idea but they are junk in my opinion. Moisture gets in the legs, freezes and you’re done. Primos did not stand behind the product. I’ll never buy another Primos product.

[@josephking2055]

Heh everyone upset in the comments because you didn't mention their favorite caliber.

[@CliffGray]

haha!

[@jackdundon2261]

Elmer Keith said it best, the 270 is adequate for coyotes. But ultimately the one gun debate does have a clear winter and that is a 30-06. I packed a lot of guns personally. the last few years. I've been very very pleased with my browning a bolt 270 WSM but I'm also a hand loader. And I am lucky it should sub MOA with 130 grain nosler partitions with a max load of imr4350. (My goto powder for the BIG GUNS).

[@cr500mike]

CARTRIDGE,,, caliber is .277'',, .284",,.308" ,, a measurement.

[@76mdw]

You could use a cough drop during your videos…….jus sayin

[@carljenkins6505]

Very informative video by someone who obviously knows what he's talking about but I find the constant grunting very irritating! It actually sounds like he's suffering from either Covid or a serious throat condition. Either way, it spoils the content a little IMO!

[@YouTubeApe]

Any preference on ammo brand/weight for the 7mags?

[@CliffGray]

It's going to vary on your gun. I have found that Tikkas are pretty sensitive to the load they prefer. In terms of factory ammo, I have had good luck with Federal Bergers 168grn

[@YouTubeApe]

@@CliffGray Roger that, thanks Cliff!