Climate Change and Capitalism with George Monbiot | Penguin Talks

Join author of This Can't be Happening, George Monbiot, and co-Founder of 'Earthrise.studio', Alice Aedy, as they discuss the impact of capitalism on the climate crisis, activism, the role of storytelling and what we have to gain if we change our lifestyle.
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[@MeadowClary]

“The human tragedy is that we are a society of altruists governed by psychopaths.” [ca. 45:55] Brilliant, George! Thanks for this valuable gold nugget of insight.

[@paulcrofts1]

Thank you. Thank you.

[@tripzville7569]

Agreed. ' Insane materialistic roundabouts 'kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKWsp4qvpZxraLM. Join as we do our little bit using our music to shine some light in these challenging and transformative times. Blessings from New Zealand.

[@StressRUs]

Nah, we are a society of functional psychopaths who refuse to take responsability to govern ourselves so we can just continue to blame someone else and destroy the planet. TOO MANY HUMANS ARE USING TOO MANY NATURAL RESOURCES AND PRODUCING TOO MUCH POLLUTION. TOO MANY HUMANS! CONTRACEPTION IS THE ONLY SOLUTION and all the rest is just more hot air and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Stress R Us

[@raveendrannarayanan2552]

AIR CONDITIONING THE MOTHER EARTH 🌎 Climate Third Group by Raveendran Narayanan USA www.acmotherearth.com www.acmotherearth.blog Earth 🌎 Science Conference Committee awarded certificate during September 2018. acmotherearth.blog/2021/06/03/air-conditioning-the-mother-earth/ 🌎 🇱🇾 🇦🇪 🇬🇧 🇺🇲 🇫🇲

[@Finkinsify]

he has a way of making everyone who speaks to him feel intelligent

[@xxwookey]

George is a modern polymath with an unusually detailed understanding of numerous areas of science, economics and politics _and_ has excellent communication skills. He does a brilliant job of explaining how things work and interact, and what the underlying issues are.

[@joturner5709]

Well-said. Totally agree...

[@aubreyvandyne5284]

And he's a hypocrite

[@charliebrandt2263]

You should read his books. What a lot of work, detailed and researched. He is a workhorse... Respect.

[@heathersmith5950]

@@aubreyvandyne5284 you are deluded

[@timfallon8226]

Unfortunately he gets it wrong, time and again.

[@michaelrch]

I love that George is being heard by a room of young people like this. They have to understand that another world is possible. We have to break the hegemony of capitalist realism because if we don't lose the sense that the end of world is easier to imagine than the end of capitalism, then we will surely witness the end of our world as we know it.

[@edredwhittingham4417]

“Participatory democracy, deliberative democracy, going alongside private sufficiency and public luxury.”

[@cherylgibbons4574]

Wow what a breath of fresh air, it’s heartening to hear a call from a true human being for us all to take back our power and become human again. Thanks George for clearly saying it as it is with no fancy adornments that our true nature is kindness, caring, love and peace, that’s all most of us want and we don’t have to be ruled by those who greedily crave power and personal wealth.

[@lorrainegatanianhits8331]

how do you do it? By accepting more restrictive laws, or by starting your own garden?

[@asadfami7623]

Public Luxury - Private Sufficiency. Such a brilliant, insightful concept and pragmatic idea. Thank you George Monbiot.

[@kassachap]

This is like a movie, but the difference is the ending will all affect us!

[@nightoftheworld]

Yes a horror movie

[@WhoOneIs]

The debate is between making changes within the capitalist system versus change of system. The COP26 isn’t about switching to an economic system not based on the logic of accumulation. It is about keeping the profit-driven system and hopefully turning the climate emergency into another source of accumulation.

[@brunischling9680]

I wish more people would be able to see this.

[@64danc]

the problem is that both sides are greedy not just one as yo0u87 say conservatives are the problem. hardly not. better open your eyes a little wider and accept the truth of the other side which is more dangerous than vyone in this country

[@joeldwest]

@@64danc typical fascist lies. The left wants to house and feed everyone

[@GeaVox]

So, thousands of us have been saying this since the 1970s! How is it we are only JUST starting to get heard?

[@scotteagles4864]

"We're a society of altruists governed by psychopaths". There it is, folks. The quicker you come to understand the very real truth of this statement, the quicker we can move on to a better world for all.

[@anthonybrett]

So, once I convince 7.5 billion people that they are governed by "psychopaths", will all my pain and misery just...disappear?

[@marcodallolio9746]

This is a cope. We are a society of regular people governed by systems of incentives and interests. The individual morality of the people in power is irrelevant, they are simply carrying out the logic of the system. They are cogs in the machine, just like the people they govern. The suicidal drive to overconsuption has not been decided by a few corrupt politician, it's intrinsic to our economic model

[@andrewhartley9019]

​@@marcodallolio9746 That "suicidal drive" of overconsumption is something I've been wondering about. Might it be intrinsic not just to our economic model, but also to our humanness? Regardless of the economic system at play, can people just settle down & be happy with what they have? Is satisfaction compatible with stasis? Would you--or anyone--find meaning in staying at the same economic position all your life & in knowing your children will do the same? I wonder whether material "progress" is a necessity for our sense of purpose & hope. You probably have heard that JD Rockefeller, when asked "how much money is enough," replied "Just a little more."

[@space.youtube]

@@marcodallolio9746 "this is a cope"? You've just described a system that self selects individuals who are highly motivated by a specific set of "incentives and interests" elevating them to positions of power so as to maintain and perpetuate the system and its beneficiaries. Everything you've said is consistent with Monbiot's observations about those who rise to positions of power. Nothing you've said is contradictory. If Monbiot's hypothesis is a "cope" then so is yours, for the same reasons. lol I agree the contradictions of capitalism are intrinsic to it, though I think it's a mistake to claim the system is reflective of a monolithic "human nature", especially given yours AND Monbiot's similar observations ; )

[@erane4209]

@@andrewhartley9019 Most pre-colonial society’s weren’t discontent with their cyclic ways of life. At least they weren’t obsessed with change and progression, like we are. Our western way of economic thinking and living has only been around for some centuries now. So it certainly doesn’t represent humanity’s ‘true nature’, if any such exists at all.

[@remicaron3191]

Our days of comfortable lives are over. At this point we are so deep into the destruction the only way for some of us to stay comfortable many of us will have to die. If the deaths aren’t in country they will be in the global south. That is where we are and no one can accept it. I am including myself in this denial. Should of listen.

[@a.randomjack6661]

The global south has near nothing to do with the climate crisis. It's rich people and countries who should pay.

[@christopherjohnson9167]

well countries like Canada and Russia have an incredible amount of unused land. So if there are a ton of climate refugees in the next few decades we should welcome them in. Gloom and doom attitude is weak lets tackle this problem together.

[@mikeharvey9811]

Please share this again and again, it’s so important that we all know what’s really happening. Love and peace. Barbx

[@ajayvee6677]

Have a look at Timothée Parrique’s thesis on Degrowth. Degrowth is not as negative as you first might think. Yes, it can be a reduction in some things ( and hence less ecological impact) but Degrowth can also be a liberation, a journey and a destination. Because of the negative impression that the term Degrowth may create for some people I suggest the alternative term ‘ecovolution’ - the conscious collective evolution of our economic system towards an ecologically stable condition.

[@paulinskipukprogressive4903]

this is the right narrative Go George

[@Suresh8848m]

Simply Awesome talk ....Hats off to George Monbiot for sharing his brilliant insights.

[@mmare1263]

Brilliant as always in his ideas, we all have to do our part in recovering the Planet.

[@MJ-on2xr]

can't do anything with YT sabotaging decency and promoting evil through their multiple algorithms. one algorithm for the pro-rich capitalists and anyone who speaks truth to power gets kicked off the main algorithm and relegated to never having their content recommended to anyone else. pure evil...

[@JonathanLoganPDX]

I recommend that you record or submit to KZbin videos with higher volumes. It's easy to turn volume down if your device isn't very sophisticated or new but it is almost impossible to turn it up if it's recorded at a low level. Thank you.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Yes, I want to watch videos while using exercise equipment. Who wants to waste time sitting!

[@bovellois]

And recovering energy in the process. I don't understand why exercising equipment isn't already wired to harvest energy.

[@keith7976]

At 13:30, the interviewer asks about a seemingly small variation in our environment of a few degrees. The way global warming has been presented, as an average, has been one of the great failures in the fight against climate change. People hear 1.5 or 2°C and think of fluctuations in the weather, or seasons. This has been a huge disservice. It would be far more effective to present global temperatures by region, especially the difference between coastal areas and the centres of continents. A 2°C average doesn't sound troubling, whereas central north America experiencing +8°C might get more attention.

[@space.youtube]

"the interviewer asks about a seemingly small variation in our environment of a few degrees" This is NOT a "seemingly small variation"! It (1.5 or 2 deg C above pre industrial levels) represents tipping points where all large, successful, organised human populations and the ecosystems that support them are threatened with collapse and extinction. You are conflating weather with climate. Localised changes are important, no doubt but this is a global issue and needs to be understood in this context. You might argue that education has failed, but I'd argue fossil fuel disinformation has been more successful. Hardly a surprise given the amount of $$ at their disposal.

[@lindamanley4837]

Just brilliant! He really says it like it like it is. Explains why the capitalist system cannot continue if we are to save our planet.

[@dorsetbigcats6292]

What do you suggest, yet another socialist utopia? Going to Venezula for six months should disabuse of that sixth-form common room notion.

[@briangraham1024]

I like George. He speaks the obvious and necessary truth. And little Greta truly is the "Joan of Ark" for our time. No one has ever called out as emphatically these present day powerbroker hypocrites for the dangerous fools they are.

[@shoobidyboop8634]

Gddddddetta? Didn't her dad get caught running her facebook account?

[@bladdnun3016]

@@shoobidyboop8634 I don't know, but if so, so what?

[@shoobidyboop8634]

@@bladdnun3016 Obviously, she and her (dad's) message are bogus, fraud, which we now know with certainty, as she's (her dad's) has been revealed as simply anti-capitalism. Zzzzzz

[@royloveday4350]

So pleased to hear the problem cast as one of our life support systems rather than climate.

[@em945]

Here, here

[@hilaryporter7841]

Brilliant and inspiring.

[@denisdaly1708]

Great talk. He should be on mainstream media more often

[@anthonybrett]

Given that KZbin and this video are freely available to everyone, its popularity is obviously driven by the masses. Going by the views, it seems that nobody deems it worthwhile. So, the question is why?

[@howlrichard1028]

@@anthonybrett that's not how it works

[@xenocampanoli815]

The problem with public domain is that the world needs to work on public stewardship, including public oversight, and public resource measurement. We need to fund people who keep track of, and enforce rules. We also need to somehow establish in human politics a vital working recognition of resource needs when are centuries, and millenia in time length. If we are not immediately recognizing those problems, we are just proceeding with the same old con game, and we are still marching to the edge.

[@andregregoire1175]

VOTE GREEN for SURVIVAL.

[@Borabas]

Monbiot has really some inspiring arguments like “none of us is morally pure in the context of ecological breakdown & climate crisis; we are all hypocrites of varying degrees. But it is much better than being cynics who do nothing at all” (at about 24:00 in the video)

[@FuryonRo]

What a brilliant mind !

[@peterjol]

It has to be made financially worthwhile for people to SHARE the jobs we can agree we NEED people to do and work much less....no more working and doing anything FOR money but sharing the work we need...no unemployment...and no more having to do any pointless or planet destroying jobs FOR the money.

[@gabrielbarbosa7882]

I mean, it is impossible on a capitalist system as profit is the moving motive.

[@peterjol]

@@gabrielbarbosa7882 it's only impossible if you don't want to change the capitalist system otherwise it is quite easy.

[@gabrielbarbosa7882]

@@peterjol Totaly agreed, capitalism must end.

[@LuEmanuel]

Exactly. Imagine if no one was trying to get people to buy things they don't need so that money could be made. Take away that need to make money from mindless consumerism.

[@jimmyjimmy1601]

@@gabrielbarbosa7882 I cannot endorse ending capitalism. Any attempt to do so will result in another global war.

[@rickricky5626]

my question is....how do people go about going back to a normal life after hearing this and really understanding it

[@mohd8218]

A few days later you will forget. Manufacturing consent is the name of the game.

[@andrewtrip8617]

Because he is a fantasist and our experience of reality makes it so ?

[@mrjonno]

So much in this talk. If only George could talk to an audience that is COP26. There are no fundamental questions that can't be answered. It is the choice that our leadership would make to be progressive with 'Mother Nature' or ignorant to maintain the rich few, as is. I'm a nerd and taken notes. Been on this 'quest' for almost 15 yrs now to see how humanity might change direction for sustainability and collaboration. We're still very much in the ignorant competitive Kardashev T0 continuing to fight amongst ourselves and against Planet Earth. I picked up on 'obedience instinct'. I'd suggest this is the 'herd mentality' that marketeers have been tapping since Bernays - it is indeed frightening that the urge to conform would line folks up in a queue to be killed. I suggest that this same instinct could be used to create collaboration instead? The reason that Greta doesn't 'fit' is because of her Aspergers - at the other end of the scale are the sociopaths that are our leaders that control the 'herd'. The only way I see to get around this is to implement 'true democracy' through Proportional Representation to create Parliament for debate and evidence rather than ideology. As George said we are fundamentally a co-operative species and I believe we need a means of government that encourages this. George is spot on with the wealth iches question. It is a far better world that we collaborate and find mutual enjoyment in rather than the 'rich man' who is not rich at all to look at the gold ingot or Banksy extracted as a lump of concrete with no one to share the experience to stimulate ideas that only a public arena could provide. Thanks so much for the talk, George - now to try to get you to tell it to out leaders....

[@spijkerpoes]

1:22 cake or death 😂

[@arthurfrancisd.murphy1643]

Great work

[@jeanjacquesdessalines1425]

Merci beaucoup

[@arthurfrancisd.murphy1643]

Great work.

[@michaelrch]

Another part of the new vision must be democracy at the workplace. If we want to break the cycle of worker exploitation driving wealth accumulation among a class of detached sociopaths then we have to put our enterprises in the hands of the men and women who work there, not some remote elites.

[@paulinskipukprogressive4903]

like Germany ? union people on corporate boards ? or more than that ? Have you seen the DW documentary on purpose driven companies in Germany ?

[@reubennb2859]

@@paulinskipukprogressive4903 That would be a great first step, but it can be taken much further. Full worker ownership and control is very feasible for companies in a lot of sectors, and this could be incentivised quite easily through policy. In other countries there are more worker co-operatives (though they're not ubiquitous anywhere), and they're an effective business model with gains in efficiency, resilience and employee happiness. Sadly there are currently quite a few barriers to them, imposed by the financial sector and the fact that co-ops are barely promoted or talked about in business education and culture in general.

[@michaelmappin1830]

Thank you.

[@Bangle9]

I love this man and his vision!

[@kevinguyan522]

Transitional Governance built upon a blend of pre-colonial democratic processes, like indigenous consensus and citizens assembly.

[@jcolwill]

9:38 Why no reference to 21st century imperialism in that eloquent summation?

[@votemonty1815]

Brilliant, this.

[@GeaVox]

Climate Breakdown: YES! THAT is how we should be talking about the phenomenon that was once called Global Warming

[@TheChessPatzer]

Growth is a spatial metaphor in economics that refers to efficiency, not to size. It doesn't mean that anything tangible is getting bigger. France famously realised economic growth by saving energy. Modern consumer products deliver economic growth by using smaller quantities of material. Greater efficiency in human affairs is environmentally progressive.

[@paulinskipukprogressive4903]

instant subscribe

[@imnotanalien7839]

One thing that is never brought up is the increasing human population. There are close to 6 billion people now and that number will be at 9 billion by 2050. Nothing will help unless the population goes down. Countries are already fighting over fishing boundaries, countries hunting and limiting fresh water, rivers and oceans filling up with plastic and human waste, and even the Amazon rainforest is under assault by humans consuming precious resources. Technology can’t help population growth… in fact it has led and caused overpopulation….. This is the real imminent threat to the earth shutting down..

[@guastomike]

You are correct - the population bomb has become taboo. (However, 6 billion now and 10 billion by 2050 by most accounts I have seen.)

[@grindupBaker]

Yes there's too many humans. Since it's the sole purpose of Life it's inevitable.

[@staleeriksen1451]

Yes, you are right! I always felt there was something suspicious about all those creapy little babies that kept flooding the earth. The real cure to a sustainable earth will be to prevent those little "devils" from developing in the first place. I suggest hard measures are taken to destroy both the cause and the effect of this imminent threat. Hopefully this is enough to reverse the shutting down proseess of the Earth.

[@TheBanana93]

People just need to stop having so many kids. However survival and reproduction are the basic functions of all living things.... how do we beat that?

[@Sk3pT1kal82]

We hit 7 billion people in 2011 and I believe we just surpassed 8 billion recently so I'm not sure where you got "close to 6 billion". And we will be at 10 billion by 2050.

[@xenocampanoli815]

One of the aspects of a classist living system that is implicit to its repression is limiting recognized categories of focus. Just as there is the problem of an infinite number of falsehoods for any given truth, there is also an infinite number of potentials for learning for every recognized one that we pay attention to. We can do far better by getting people out of this focus on consumerism and into actual research of everything from plants and animal organisms, and microbes, to learning and researching mathematics. These areas of focus are largely small or zero on the scale of footprint against scarce resources, whereas consumer behavior is all about stimulating the malignant growth model. But part of the fix is all about toppling this perilous power of existing power. You can do that toppling by waiting until it become suddenly untenable, or you can smoothly hold conversations across all societal members about what is going on, and doing clarification of what the resources and constraints are.

[@andacomfeeuvou]

The environmental issue brings up many reflections about who we are and what world we want for us. And these are difficult questions to be answered. These issues need to be debated both philosophically and politically. I don't know if we have time for this.

[@janny7120]

What an uplifting story

[@brianwheeldon4643]

Excellent talk George, thanks

[@oliviachipperfield6029]

Fantastic conversation. Thank you so much 🤗

[@sheryllbarton1701]

Absolutely bang on George

[@dontoews6754]

we are living thru the 6th mass extinction, we've mixed up the batter and now the cake is in the oven and I fear we are near the end

[@jeslarcy1443]

...love George Monbiot

[@photodoc100]

Me again. I would like every word of this conversation in written form,so I can break it down. eg climate change to climate catastrophe .✅ Etc,etc,etc 🇦🇺

[@anthonyenglish9298]

It’s unfortunately ironic that decent ordinary people are generally not drawn to positions of power nor wish to operate within them. And therein perhaps lies our biggest problem.

[@misterlyle.]

When the glass looks half empty, it is because we are still filling it.

[@annibjrkmann8464]

Is he making a case for destroying the things that are killing us?

[@Equinox1.5]

I think the main reason for obedience is fear - the finger pointing at us that tells us we are going to be punished if we stick our head above the parapet. Obeying to survive in the moment, even if that survival is psychological or social rather than physical, seems to override the greater issue of ultimate survival if the latter is perceived by our panicked brain as being not quite so imminent.

[@em945]

Amazing to hear about the chinese ' Greta Thunburg '...I wish her well. And thank you to the excellent questions from the audience. A thought for the name of governance.. Pea-POLLs 😁

[@miguel5785]

32:23 Why don't we speak more about the benefits of change? Because it is the rich part of the world that is most influential and it is very cozy the way it is. If we loved plants and bugs more than we love material things and the convenience of energy-intensive systems, we would be telling a different story.

[@SuperTonyony]

Workers should own and control the means of production.

[@egertonmark]

Will you help bury the bodies that always end up dead when this is tried?

[@Lily-ni5po]

@@egertonmark are you helping bury the bodies of the people killed by capitalism? The factories were workers are kept locket inside so they can't escape that collapse with them trapped inside because caring for the building would have reduced a company's profit. The Americans who die of preventable illnesses because they couldn't afford the care. The people enslaved in cocoa farms who died trying to escape so that companies like Hershey can keep selling cheap chocolate. Are you going to help bury our entire specie as the climate collapse and the planet becomes hostile to humans.

[@marissadower-morgan3313]

He has major sideburns going on there , he can't be a such a bad guy

[@sarahpengelly8439]

Haha! Yes! I thought the same. Maybe a couple of inches off both sides would bring him into this century. Though having said that, George is still wonderful.

[@ComradeMel1975]

When are KZbin going to realise that the Audio quality on some uploaded videos is appalling so far as to be discrimination against the hearing impaired. I have friends with normal hearing who sometimes say they struggle with videos. I enjoy listening to George Monbiot when I can actually hear him properly. Is there any way to reject video uploads with poor audio quality.

[@richdiana3663]

Been following George for years and it's still hopeless without any meaningful action which I see very little of.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Action will not occur until Governments begin policies for Climate Change. Certainly governments know this truth; therefore expect NOTHING until We the People take to the streets, in protest. The goal/plan of government is to occupy us via anything that will keep us separated, protecting ourselves from illness!

[@lizshephard2964]

You need to start acting yourself. Don't wait for permission!

[@kirstinstrand6292]

The massive focus on trivia states the reality of America's youth. We have miles to go before we sleep... pun intended.

[@psikeyhackr6914]

What has he said about planned obsolescence? What has happened to the depreciation of durable consumer goods since Sputnik?

[@dirkcampbell5847]

24.00 Just because I'm a hypocrite doesn't mean what I'm saying is wrong. Say I'm a smoker and I tell you that smoking is bad for you. You say, well you smoke so you're a hypocrite. Yes indeed. Doesn't mean what I'm telling you isn't true. Climate change can't be dismissed because those who are flagging it up are in some way contributing to it. We're all contributing to it! Are you breathing? You're emitting CO2!

[@zehrajafri9252]

👍👍

[@colindailley5062]

My name for a new, sustainable and Democratic system would be = Communitarianism ~ just saying ~ Brilliant talk George ~ MPTYE !!

[@DD-jm5ug]

People are already working hard in their jobs....pay them properly 👌 plus I'm in love with this man 😇✌❤

[@filamcouple_teamalleiah8479]

He describes in a nutshell the conditions that govern some of the so called 'Asian Tigers.' I currently live in one of those countries as I could not live comfortably on my teacher's pension in the US. Obidience is always expected here unless you are driving. Nobody understands the concept of 'right of way' it seems, so everybody for himself and the largest vehicle often wins. Teaching is often by rote memory- no critical analysis or potentially controversial subjects are brought up in the classroom. Be humble always and don't question authority. The public school conditions are appaling and instruction in private schools not that much better. You can still buy degrees here according to someone I spoke to not long ago.

[@whoisme678]

Anyone know how much pollution comes from multiple tests of NASA rocket engines ? Or for that matter any other rocket engines fired around the world. It makes sense to get your own house in order before you decide to go f**k up another planet millions /billions of miles away because that is exactly what we humans will do when we finally get there. The other issue is resolving issues in other countreis and conflict. How much pollution is created by conflict and how much damage is there on the environment. That is what the world needs to do, shake hands and decide on a plan of action to save war torn parts of the world, because I'M GUESSING, that there are more conflicts than there is peace.

[@robertallen6013]

a genuine new thinker but in the end it will not change without crisis

[@alanstuartwatt2455]

Project Drawdown's websites lists ways and means to go to 0 Carbon .. I am hoping to buy a farm and run it regeneratively to draw carbon into the soil.

[@hannahlouisefitzpatrick6742]

Can I keep my massive collection of used books?

[@mikecasket5835]

Who is Carrie Buck?

[@filamcouple_teamalleiah8479]

There are virtually no public facilities where I live now.

[@WalkinBeauty278]

On a hot day...I took water to a climate gathering, and was surprised that it was rejected due to one use plastic bottles

[@shelleywinters6763]

I like that new system of govt, where it's not presumed consent on whatever policy they can push through. Plus the senetors we send to represent us, or so we think, they lie to get in power then we have broken promises, I've seen a lot of that going on too. The most frustrating thing for me in the last 20 years is the people keep voting in anti progress governments, the people voted them in in the first place! I just thought, until people stop believing the lies about climate, we will never make progress.

[@andybray9791]

Still haven’t seen him with George Galloway

[@Waltzhybrid92]

Can someone help me find the timestamp for Chinese Greta Thunberg or better yet tell me her name?

[@andrewtrip8617]

It’s great to hear a French man tell us how exploitative the British were !

[@brawndo8726]

Agricultural land deeds should require periodic in-person defense in community courts. Too rich to show up? Lose your land. Too busy being CEO of a mega corporation? Lose your land. Too inconsiderate to manage things with respect to your neighbors? Lose your land.

[@stevenbones9906]

there isnt one all te stats show it.

[@grindupBaker]

there isnt a Capitalism ? all te stats show it ?

[@gnothiseauthon6045]

Every time standing on a ladder on a Level of 5mtr, I wonder why so few people understand tipping-Point. One centimeter too far and adieu. But aren‘t the tipping Points not already in the back-mirror?

[@vsiegel]

There is no direct relation of economic growth and resource use. An economy can grow hugely by increasing productivity in services or digital artifacts, like music. Doubling the economic output of the music industry does not require resources at all, basically. You sell twice the amount of licenses, and in terms of resource use, you only change which network packets are sent.

[@andacomfeeuvou]

Your first sentence is half the truth, the other half is a lie. Unfortunately, the entire development of human societies in the last millennia, historically, had a very high environmental cost and this model is still what we have today.

[@vsiegel]

@@andacomfeeuvou I am not saying that the economy has no connection to resources, I mean they are not proportional related or so: The economic output of an economy is subjective, basically. The value created by the music industry is not based on how many minutes of music are produced, but in how a society values music, which is the base of prices. Of course societies have an environmental cost, but they are no longer proportional to the population, because we cooperate globally. It is proportional if you have many independent economies. If we manage to install huge amounts of solar power, that will create huge amounts of economic output, but reduce resource use.

[@pokwerpokwerpokwer]

Alice has super cool pants

[@richdiana3663]

It's a big club and George, I, and you aren't in it.

[@joaoalbuquerque457]

As I really suspected....a nation of Banana bread 🍞, scotch eggs 🥚 and fruit cakes 🥮 . This is little England 🇬🇧 2021

[@em945]

😁

[@radboo4384]

The will of the people

[@davidcanatella4279]

Simplicity is not only necessary but inevitable. Every penny represents a crime. What’s more important than being an activist is for people to act less meaning we need a lot more not doing to allow the ecology to heal and flourish. A prairie under a cow is still a prairie but a prairie under plow is a waste land. Plant Agriculture is the primary means of ecological destruction humans exercise.

[@evansnaturechannel1266]

Lol thr mention of greta scowlberg immediately made me realise who watches this.

[@dung-chuanwen9873]

Name this system the New Wave of Social Sculpture.

[@thisisnumber0]

The Moonbat speaketh. It must be right.

[@a.randomjack6661]

Capitalist dogma: natural resources are free and so is polluting. No wonder we're in this crisis. Side note, I hope we all saw the Exxon tapes?

[@jb-fp2vs]

i have never voted exactly for the reason he said i never see a politician doing what he said i should do their wives never have 12 children nor go and buy their food and clothing at the dollar stores

[@killerlifealbum]

consumerism is back now covid gone is there any escape and different way of living

[@ecowarrior9160]

Would anyone like to see Jordan Peterson vs George Monbiot in a debate?

[@i.novitsky9291]

#CreativeSociety #GlobalCrisis #AllatraUnites🌎📣🌍📢🌏🕊🙏🔝🔝🔝

[@HeavyMetal45]

BE SCARED AND EAT THE BUGS!

[@texanleons]

Earth will take care care of itself. Will man?