Climate Chat: Wake Up Call! What Now? with Leon Simons

[@dalbert42]

Stacey, they kept talking over you. Thanks for the points you made.

[@DrSmooth2000]

It's a comedy bit, her never getting to close a thought 🤭

[@maddogwillie1019]

Human reaction to the climate change is like the Titanic, too big to turn, too slow to react, in denial about sinking, and there aren’t enough lifeboats for everyone.

[@pvmagnus]

Dan you really need to let Stacy talk a bit more

[@danielmcardle3476]

Yes, I'd like to hear more from her. I hope Dan watches these videos to see how he overtalks at times.

[@danielmcardle3476]

Thank you Dan and your team for these videos. Scary but helpful info. Appreciate how stressful it must be for you all to work in this arena. 🙏

[@maddogwillie1019]

Yep we got a wake-up call decades ago and the IPCC and COP have just been hitting the snooze button

[@TorstenLutten]

It's so disrespectful to listeners to constantly interrupt each other so thoughts get cut off and basically nothing was to be understood on audio. Dan should be able to do better and have more fruitful debate. Please do improve.

[@brothernorb8586]

Thanks for the heads up, it's impossible to get enough from your time out of a talk with that going on

[@DrSmooth2000]

Free wheeling discussion

[@dbadagna]

According to the Quote Investigator website, there is no evidence that Winston Churchill ever said that "Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else." This quote should probably be attributed to the Israeli diplomat Abba Eban (1915-2002).

[@peterhamilton8430]

Interesting topics and information, but have to say the format and style leaves a lot to be desired if ‘ communication’ is the goal ! Just my Aussie perspective maybe, but others seem to have similar issues Dan. Having said that, I do get though most of your discussions as the topics are important to say the least.

[@roo3515]

I agree. Dan's compulsion to make comments and input is very disruptive to the flow.

[@climatechat]

@@roo3515 What makes this program unique is that I am familiar with the science and solutions so this is a discussion, not an interview, though it obviously looks like that to quite a few viewers. Those who have listened to the program for 3+ years (it started on Clubhouse) understand this. Perhaps I should make i clear at the beginning of the program. But if you want a traditional interview program, there are many choices out there.

[@DrSmooth2000]

​@@climatechatsome people didn't grow up with families arguing politics Felt normal to me

[@ReesCatOphuls]

You guys really need to let the others finish their sentences !

[@dbadagna]

"Renewable" energy technologies such as wind and solar should properly be called "rebuildables," since wind turbines and solar panels only last for a few decades before they come to the ends of their useful lives and need to be thrown away, then replaced with new ones made using newly mined materials and fossil fuels. Regarding the sequestration of CO2 in underground pipelines, this can be a very dangerous technology; for more see the recent article entitled "The U.S. is expanding CO2 pipelines. One poisoned town wants you to know its story."

[@dbadagna]

What was Eli referring to when he mentioned 2.5 teratons (of something)?

[@emceegreen8864]

The 2.5 trillion tons of humanity’s total industrial CO2 emissions. Some has been absorbed by the oceans and land but much of it will remain in the atmosphere for thousands of years.

[@dbadagna]

@@emceegreen8864 Thank you. According to this video, the damaging effects of CO2 will last for 500,000 years. v=qJVM6FVt25w

[@kohphanganlover]

Thank you. Very nice chat again and again.

[@janelearnsrussian]

When the rules change for the sulphur emissions in the Mediterranean, will that result in lower sulphur emissions on some other shipping routes as well, for practical reasons, once ships are adapted to meet the requirements?

[@dbadagna]

For Dr. Von Herzen: the adjective form of "Democrat" (referring to the political party) is "Democratic" (with a capital "D"), not "Democrat."

[@dav1ddjg]

I had no idea about the Faustian Bargain until the pandemic. We have to geoengineer to just stop the acceleration of temperatures.

[@dbadagna]

For a look at how SRM might be implemented all at once by a rogue actor, I recommend Episode 4 of the recent Web TV series "Extrapolations." The whole 8-episode series is great, indeed essential viewing for anyone interested in these issues, in my opinion.

[@thomasvirta7904]

Thank you. I would like to see Prof. Ottmar Edenhofer "Mr CO2 price" in Climate Chat one day.

[@I.am.Bananaman]

Dan Miller needs to learn to shut up and let the guest speak. That was mad annoying

[@climatechat]

This was a discussion program, not an interview.

[@FerdinandAugustinus-j6t]

There are many ways to have discussions and interact with people. Dan have different, you have different. Others like to interrupt people, other like to let them talk to the end and then talk themselves.

[@kimlibera663]

A practical approach to the oceans does require global cooperation. It involves the clean up of plastics & packaging material. There is this Dutch kid who has been cleaning up the Pacific Ocean plastics with his innovative Interceptor vessel & he is doing a remarkable job. It is a privately sponsored approach. The innovative vessels use vacuuming to remove floating debris & they bring it back to shore & separate out that which can be recycled. These vessels are made in Finland. Scandinavia is known for its innovative engineering of ships. The US, nowhere to be found. Anyway these vessels can be produced in different sizes. I'd like to see them tackle all oceans & seas, rivers & coastlines, harbors & eutrophied ponds. It is a lifelong job. Now some debris will remain in their tombs of the ocean. War planes, ships, debris that travels in via tsunami or floodwaters. Major large water pollutions rests mostly with China, India, & Indonesia.

[@ikoiko1day531]

As soon as the guest go started you cut him off. Screw you!

[@rayraytub1000]

Like SRM we need strategies to deal with the ocean acidification. Can you do a show about mitigating that? That will have to been done in tandem with SRM.

[@cuauhtlihernandez682]

SRM is one of the causes acidification. The use of the reactive chemicals used is toxic to all life.

[@hime273]

How about we just quit spraying toxic shit in the atmosphere to control the weather.

[@kimlibera663]

I can tell you one method of mitigation & it would take centuries. Indirect carbon capture can permit the harnessing of alkali substances such as lime. Lime can be distributed b y any number of vessels at sea to change the pH.

[@hime273]

@kimlibera663 What the hell is wrong with you people?

[@climatechat]

There are a number of organizations looking at reducing the acidity of the ocean to (1) improve ocean health and (2) reduce atmospheric CO2.

[@zoecohen9071]

Dan, I'd be grateful if you ask your guests questions and did a bit less talking yourself x

[@johnkintree763]

We should talk more about building a global platform for collective digital democracy before talking about SRM.

[@climatechat]

I don't think we have time for that. But in any case, listen to next week's program!

[@johnkintree763]

We don't have time to talk about a global digital democracy in a two hour podcast, or we don't have time to implement a digital democracy before we cross a tipping point with our greenhouse gas emissions?

[@johnkintree763]

Could we implement a global digital democracy by 2030? Could we do it sooner? How would we do it? That's what we should be talking about.

[@johnkintree763]

The problem underlying our greenhouse gas emissions is a structure of power that favors special interests such as the fossil fuel industry. The COP meetings are a farce. It's time to deal with the underlying problem.

[@mikestaub]

We need nothing short of a psychedelic renaissance. A massive and swift rise in global human consciousness is the only thing that can save us now.

[@maddogwillie1019]

So in thinking about the odds of that…you’re basically saying we are doomed

[@mikestaub]

@@maddogwillie1019 I don't see any incentive structures in place that will make emissions reduction likely.

[@maddogwillie1019]

@@mikestaub yea, not even the incentive of the survival of the species don’t seem to be enough…human are not very good at dealing will large catastrophic issue that are not right in their face…if only Co2 and other greenhouse gasses made noise…like a consistent thunder….dooming all over the planets…scaring children and keeping adults up at night…

[@zericccderdritte7971]

Let’s be honest.. we are doomed. Period

[@mikestaub]

@@zericccderdritte7971 I would say it is 99% likely, but not yet fully certain.

[@deans7154]

The decay of uranium-238 and thorium-232 together contributes approximately 20 trillion watts to the Earth's total heat output. This radioactive decay accounts for about half of the total heat leaving the planet. - Where is this accounted for in Leon's charts?

[@robertcartwright4374]

Incoming solar radiation contributes about 173 petawatts, so perhaps interior heat was omitted because it is so minor? Heat from radioactive decay is about half of heat reaching the surface of the earth from the interior, but because solar insolation is so large, it's only a few hundredths of a percent of the total heat at the surface. It's definitely not half of the energy the earth radiates to space.

[@TheDanEdwards]

Maybe you might try some math? 20TW/Earth's surface area = 39 *milli* Watts/square-meter. Still think it important?

[@deans7154]

Oops quite right - negligible!

[@kimlibera663]

I will note that the primordial heat reservoir of the planet is only about 50-60% expended. I understand that the heavy radioisotopes have immense energy density & far exceed wind power.

[@Edo9River]

My PREDICTION: 2025 will see pilot studies for Geoengineering launched in US

[@sumiland6445]

Under trump?? 😳

[@TheDanEdwards]

@@sumiland6445 Exactly. Try 2029.

[@DrSmooth2000]

​@@TheDanEdwardsDemocrats have an environmentalist wing so wouldn't wait for them

[@maddogwillie1019]

Not if the Trump administration has anything to say about it…why start a study to address a solution to something that’s a hoax

[@maddogwillie1019]

⁠@@TheDanEdwardsif you think Trump will be gone in 2029, you having been paying attention

[@rickpeterson3278]

I wish that Dan would stop interrupting the guest and let him speak. Please have faith that we will somehow understand and don't need his constant comments and basic knowledge

[@hime273]

What is the point of constantly lying about "SRM" not being done currently worldwide? It's pathetic. As if we can't all see it being done right above our heads.

[@TheDanEdwards]

Seek help.

[@hime273]

@TheDanEdwards Good try dude.

[@climatechat]

It's semantics. Most groups define geo-engineering like SRM to be purposeful actions to alter the Earth's climate. When you do it by accident, it doesn't count. The climate doesn't care about your intentions though.

[@hime273]

@climatechat My knowledge of the whole Weather Modification technology works, is almost guaranteed to beyond even yours, so let's juat quit pretending like Chemtrails (SRM) are fake. Not sure what you even mean "By accident." If your claiming that all the chemtrails are engine exhaust, then your delusional, and need to do some research on Jet Engine Technology. #teamchemtrail #sprayandpray

[@climatechat]

@@hime273 I thought you were referring to sulfur emissions from coal power plants, ships, etc. But the chemtrails conspiracy theory is fake. As Ben Franklin said: "Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead."

[@user-bp1yc7kh2e]

While I would like to see the democratic party to go further left , my husband believes it would alienate the moderate democrats, like him. The Democratic party is split, just like the Republican party. But I am not sure which party's registered voters are more likely to vote 3rd party more. (Anti trump vs vs anti Clinton/Harris.

[@maddogwillie1019]

It’s so funny to see political parties fighting over a steering wheel of a car that has already gone off the cliff…and at the same time trying to convince us there is no cliff or that the cliff is way down the road

[@ppetal1]

Thanks for reminding me that Trump will crash the economy. Made my day😅

[@paulchace2391]

HEY DAN YOU TALK TOO MUCH !!! AGAIN PEOPLE ARE SICK OF TELLING YOU LET THE EXPERT SPEAK,( A LOT MORE)

[@bobcooper9559]

What

[@davidtildesley3197]

Try shutting up and listening rather than talking over the top of people bud.

[@meditationMakesMeCranky]

So... lets home that trump remains trump ... I ready don't know if that is funny or sad

[@JimmyD806]

More videos by paleoclimate deniers.

[@LizWatkinson-e3l]

l think most climate scientists are horrible presenters.

[@vtfollett]

You’re making the argument that science has to be “interesting” to capture people’s’ attention. We’ve been conditioned to expect hyper-promotion of ideas, like commercials for a new product. The details of science can be boring. That’s why scientists can do what they do. They sweat the boring details, and ferret out the truth. It’s up to us to pay attention.

[@TheDanEdwards]

"most climate scientists are horrible presenters"

[@TheDanEdwards]

​@@vtfollett It's not clear to me the OP was pushing for _sciencetainment,_ but instead is just not liking the presentation.

[@EastWindCommunity1973]

Roger Hallam gives excellent summaries of the science for the anti Dutch accent crowd. There is also Richard Alley and Kevin Anderson, quite engaging!

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@EastWindCommunity1973 Leon Simons is doing a great job trying to explain a very complicated subject. The constant interjections with side trajectories is making Simons attempt at a presentation too difficult to follow. Lack of respect for the actual scientific researcher is the problem here - he is an expert in a very specific topic. The person hosting him needs to respect that more. Let the dude talk and explain what he needs to explain without constantly interrupting his line of thought. Hence our accelerating doom. Too much ego. OK now he mentions his "private funders" for Solar Radiation management - so that explains why he keeps drowning out what Leon Simons is trying to explain in detail.