This has quickly become a terrific resource for thoroughly well made ammunition reviews !!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
@alejandrovargas75929 ай бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets ... You're welcome. You've definitely earned any appreciation that's come your way. A couple of my go-to resources, for ammunition reviews in the past have been "luckygunner", .. "tnoutdoors", and a great reviewer , shootingthebull. The latter one unfortunately stopped reviewing some time ago. So I was quite happy to stumble upon your channel a couple of months ago. If you can, please try to review as many self defense rounds as possible. ... Thanks
@popinfresh30889 ай бұрын
I agree! Very detailed and informative!
@DrQuagmire19 ай бұрын
@@popinfresh3088 not to mention, pretty funny at times too
@bluesteeltraining2 ай бұрын
This has become my go to channel 4 ammo reviews! I even look to tools and targets for my firearm decisions as well! I have never been disappointed. I wish I knew this fellow’s name though, it would make commenting a little less awkward. Just easier than saying tools and targets every time.
@kevindutton36769 ай бұрын
We’re not sharing these videos enough. Should have way more followers. Condensed videos, great accent, and valuable info 😂
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
I agree!😎👊
@PJ_Perry9 ай бұрын
I checked his popular videos he's got a quarter mil view on the videos he did unboxing guns lol ..I Fn love this channel I'm a ballistics nerd and love to see what ammo does .. I share every video ..mabe a combo of ammo content and Individual guns reviewed while doing the ammo might bring more but let's not forget KZbin suppresses gun content that doesn't help either
@tammypeele17079 ай бұрын
I love this channel. I always check what his recommendations are for ammo. Even switched my carry ammo because of is testing!!
@buzsalmon9 ай бұрын
This is an excellent test Tools! Thank you.
@waynefelton64139 ай бұрын
I ALWAYS look forward to Tool's videos because they give excellent results for all his 'Jello Time' trials. Today's was another great example. 'Thank You' for ALL your efforts Tools!!!
@diegomirelesАй бұрын
I really like that you make the tests from the guns that normally people would carry and not from an 6 - 8" revolver.
@ToolsandTargetsАй бұрын
The longer barrels give you the wow factor, but definitely not the most realistic use case in my opinion.😎👊
@rsbreeze9 ай бұрын
I've shot this Remington .357 round for close to 30 years for hunting. Always get great velocity and preformance. It'll drop medium sized game in its tracks. It'll shoot 1350 ish fps in a 6 inch revolver and 1650 ish fps in a 16 inch barrel lever gun. I'm still shooting stuff that was made in late 80s.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
💥🐗💥
@Brad12372029 ай бұрын
Appreciate all your hard work on the range Brother!!! Keep up the great work, and enjoy your week!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@danpatton38919 ай бұрын
Thanks Tools. In the early to mid Eighties, it was thought the power of a 357 and a 38 sp +P in a short 2" barrel, was the same. Every gun shop I walked into, told be I needed a 6" barrel in a 357 to see it's potential. Obviously, a 357 Magnum is potent in a short barrel as well.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Yessir 😎👊
@DrQuagmire19 ай бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets a .357 Magnum in a 4-inch barrel is no slouch either!!! I would've gotten the 6-inch variant of the Ruger GP100, but they were sadly out of stock at that time, hence the reason why I got the 4-inch version instead.
@ctusser9 ай бұрын
That’s a terrible myth that’s still widely circulated. .357 dominates .38 +P in any barrel length.
@danpatton38919 ай бұрын
@@ctusser Where did the myth originate and why was it so wide spread? In the early to mid 1980s, every gun shop I knew, said the same thing. I believe I may even have read an article stating the same thing. I do believe a 6" barrel is needed to realize the full potential of a 357, but it is still very potent in 2" to 4" barrels as well.
@ctusser9 ай бұрын
@@danpatton3891, I doubt anyone knows where it originated, but it was undoubtedly an easy rationalization to adopt for the recoil sensitive masses when snubby revolvers were the norm for concealed carry. I’m sure it spread like wildfire and if you’ve shot a hot .357 load in a small snubby and then a tame .38 back to back you can understand the temptation to want to believe that even though your hand just proved it wrong.
@RimfireAddicted709 ай бұрын
No one does ammo reviews that are real world accurate like this channel. This is hands down the gold standard for ammo reviews on KZbin!
@petee4549 ай бұрын
You and your video tests are my daily go-to. Thank you for all you do.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Appreciate that.😎👊
@johncoleman24959 ай бұрын
These are the exact same loads Remington has sold for years with that 125gr SJHP. And I know a lot of people are gonna call this bullet failure because of the jacket separation and fragmentation (or Fragspansion as you like to call it🤣) But I disagree. I've used these Remington SJHP bullets in both.357 and .44 magnums for years with fantastic results. I've used both the 125gr and 158gr to shoot a lot of stuff over the years. Everything from smallish like woodchucks to a couple of big bucks. The 158 I think is probably better for the bigger stuff as it almost always exits on deer and does absolutely devastating tissue damage. And from what I've seen the 125gr do in everything up to and including deer size game I have no doubt it would act the same in 2 legged targets! This load from a full sized4"-6" revolver actually reaches Remington's advertised velocity of 1450fps and in my closed breach 6" Coonan is over 1600! It's my go to load in .357 magnum and always will be! Great video as always! Thanks Tools!!!!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.💥😎👊💥
@lgwappo9 ай бұрын
I've heard people say out of a 2" barrel there's not much difference. This proves otherwise. Thinking about getting a 2" .357. But it would be all steel, like that Taurus 605. 24 ounces. My LCR 38 is 13.5 ounces & it's snappy. A guy at the indoor range asked what I was shooting. I said Ruger LCR 38. He said it was loud. Well, the .357 will be twice as loud.
@djangofreeman93829 ай бұрын
My dad has a Taurus 605 2” snubby and the Cheap Winchester white box 110 grain SJHP is very DEVASTATING and LOUD!! but is quite a bit less snappy and Flashy than the heavier grain loads. Big Bore Stoppin powa But almost always significantly less recoil and muzzle flip than most other traditional .357 Mag loads in a small frame short barrel revolver
@scarifrougeone72259 ай бұрын
Miles apart. I cannot believe the .38 did not expand. But that .357Mag is total nasty. Good grief what a mega disruption. Great test and commentary. Very interesting good stuff. Agreed 100%. .357 all day long. Thanks for sharing and be safe. Thought it would have been closer. 👊🇺🇸👊🇺🇸
@LTYTACCT6 ай бұрын
Just my 30 years personal experience from handloading and shooting the Remington 125 grain SJHP bullet in 38 Special, 38 Special +P and 357 Magnum. The 125 grain SJHP will usually give moderate expansion in bare ballistic gel blocks when driven out with a velocity as low as 850 f.p.s. However, the muzzle velocity has to be at least 1,000 to 1,070 f.p.s. for the bullet to expand reliably if the gel block is covered by clothing (such as 3 layers of denim which I usually use).
@jameshood96949 ай бұрын
The 110 grain version of this in 38 special +P does much better in expansion. Personally I like the Golden Saber line much better and it's quite impressive in .357 mag.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Think I have some of those.
@donakahorse9 ай бұрын
companies trying to capitalize on the popularity of the 357 were chambering revolvers in frames that couldn't hold up to the punishment. The response to this was that the loads of the 357 were reduced for safety. I'm wondering if the dissapointing results of the modern 357 compared to the legends are the result. I'd love to see some original loadout results. I know the standard load back in the day was 158 grain projectile at a touch over 1500fps out of an 8 inch barrel. we don't see that very often now.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Same story with a lot of calibers, sadly.
@donakahorse9 ай бұрын
@@ToolsandTargets agreed, look at the 10mm, the loadout is closer to the 40 now vs the beast loads they were on release when they were destroying frames. lol
@davehoward27919 ай бұрын
My home defense gun is a S&W Mod 66 w/2.5” barrel loaded with these .357 rounds. Saw some good results on Gun Sam’s channel with them and I sleep well at night. I also use the .38+P 110 gr HTP’s in my 4” barrel Mod 10’s and Mod 36 snubbies as home defense too as they do ok in the snubbie but really shine in the 4” barrel. Excellent video Tools, thanks! 👍
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@user-uc5sn4tp3f9 ай бұрын
For historical context , these loads are a time capsule of late 1970's ( good for the day ) Duty Ammo . Duty revolvers were mostly 4 inch . Heavy clothing barriers hadn't been thought of for several years yet . From a 4 inch , the .38 +P would have expanded . Bare gel , or a single tee shirt , probably 50/ 50 some expansion, definitely major deformation, even with 2 inch . Trivia - For a few years , R-P offered a Third variant of this ( fourth if you count non +P .38 ) , the " Medium Velocity " .357 Magnum . The trivia part ? The full power .357 from 2 inch bbl gives similar velocities as the " Medium " from 4 inch .
@alexandermfernandez92839 ай бұрын
I like your comment and totally agree . My dad worked for the D.E.A. in the 70s' and he'd bring boxes of this ammo home 'cause like you said , "it was the duty loads of the times" . I suppose if it worked then , it'll work now ! Appreciate the "Trivia" fact btw .
@PropsandWings9 ай бұрын
.357 Magnum still holds its own to this day, especially after seeing this video. I have one myself made by Dan Wesson; you can change out the barrels and go from a stubby 2 inch, then a 4 inch and a 6 inch if memory serves. Was handed down from my father and in excellent condition.
@KeithRichardson-zs2eq9 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Kinda wonder if Remington swapped the projectiles how the 38 and 357 would have performed. The smaller cavity on the 38 doesn't make much sense at those velocities.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Definitely an odd choice.
@steelpunisher69449 ай бұрын
Night and day difference is right! lol. The .38 special is another one that is tough to find a load that expands and penetrates from the shorty. That .357 has some thump to it. Great video as always my friend 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
@davidjernigan81619 ай бұрын
Way back in the day when the 357 magnum load was listed on the box as 357x (stock number or whatever) it had a huge muzzle flash from a six inch barrel
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Had a little flash goin on with these even.💥😎💥
@johncoleman24959 ай бұрын
That'll teach me to comment before the end ...The answer is yes! I carry this load whenever i carry .357. I like the gel testing as far as being able to compare one round to another but it really doesn't give you any idea how these bullets will actually act in a live tissue and bone target. Ive seen this 125gr bullet punch through both sides of an average whitetail and ive seen it only penetrate 10 or so inches and leave the biggest wound cavity ive seen from a handgun. Ive seen it leave a baseball sized hole in both coyotes and woodchucks and drop them absolutely dead where they stood. Some people will call this bad performance but its not bad performance when it puts the intended target down quickly and cleanly no matter what it does! Id like to see you test the 180gr and . 240gr .44 magnum rounds as well. The 240 is another spectacular performer on deer sized game with the 180 being a little too light and not quite penetrating enough for my liking. But i think it would make a great defensive round if you felt you had to use a .44 magnum!😂
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
😎👊
@notso57349 ай бұрын
I shot some Remington 357 125 gr SJH out of my lcr. Freaking hot round. But like your test, Paul Harrell showed too that there is still get good expansion out of the shorties.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
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@djangofreeman93829 ай бұрын
My dad shoots Winchester white box 110 grain SJHP in his Taurus 605 2” snubby and even wit the short barrel those light for caliber but Fast .357 Slugs really whoop that ballistic Gel block pretty BADD!!!
@RL-RL9 ай бұрын
Why in the world would Remington use a smaller opening on the .38spl+P when they are the same diameter? That to me is one reason why it failed so bad IMO. Would a longer barrel have helped it? Probably not...
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
I was surprised to see different bullets myself.
@WayStedYou9 ай бұрын
The lead colouring seems different too so it could be softer lead but they didnt test it properly.
@boostimalaka19 ай бұрын
The Federal HST .38 Special 130 grain works well in the 2 inch revolver. The Remington 158 grain LSWCHP +P was what we used in our off duty backup .38 snubnose revolvers. It expanded because the lead was softer compared to Winchester and Federal.
@SwampOperator9 ай бұрын
Man 38 special is garbage....
@jared83246 ай бұрын
And this Remington ammo has been watered down through the years, Buffalo bore 125g has the old school full load
@franklinmarks78459 ай бұрын
Finally somebody to do this video everybody talks about oh I have a snub nose and it's good enough with a 38 + P not to carry the 357 Magnum cuz it's too much recoil and it's like they always talk about it's almost the same foot pounds and almost the same velocities there's not that much of a difference between the 38 plus piano snub nose in the 357 Magnum booyah
@franklinmarks78459 ай бұрын
A+++
@TAWier9 ай бұрын
Cylinder gap imperfection is causing that drop off in velocity. Mark that cylinder on future tests, and you will see that's where the drop-off is at.
@nickb16909 ай бұрын
I’d like to see how that .38 round would do out of a 4” barrel .
@raybo349 ай бұрын
I have both for my wife's 38 and my 357. My 357 is a 3 inch and yah those are spicy. I might need to rethink the 38. The 357 got the job done though not perfect. I appreciate you testing these
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊
@robwilson37499 ай бұрын
Just have the perp remove all denim before the the old lady plugs him.
@MrSumGuns9 ай бұрын
Great video as always thanks! Might as well carry standard 38 FMJ over that 38+p hollow point.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. It sure failed from this short barrel.
@robwilson37499 ай бұрын
Yep. Flat point FMJ.
@djangofreeman93829 ай бұрын
Great Test!….My dad has a Taurus 605 2” snubby chambered in Big Badd .357 MAG and strictly only uses the good ‘ol Winchester white box 110 Grain SJHP. Have you tested that load yet ???
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. I can't remember if I have or not. I'll have to check that.😎👍
@xtreme4stringbass5 ай бұрын
The advatages of 357 in snubs is so thoroughly documented but the myths still persist. The HTP is just the same bullet in a nickle plated case as the regular Rem 125 SJHP but i have found them to be loaded to lower velocity than the regular green box stuff by around 100 to 150 fps (maybe a lower flash powder?) The 38 bullet works well in a snub with that extra velocity, especially, when striking barriers such as a sternum. It also is designed for penetration first. So the bare gel test does not tell the whole story, but enough to let me know I will take the 357 all day. I prefer to carry a modern 66-8 K frame (much beefed up over my older versions in forcing cone, frame, and lockup) 2.75 with the regular Rem Load when i revolver carry. It is hard to explain to the dot disabled trigger toddler SPUDS that well placed power beats mag dumping for self defense.
@Dennismadeacomment9 ай бұрын
I think yeah, they should have kept the same projectile for both cartridges. Maybe would have actually did some for the 38SPL.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Mhmm
@MikeGaddaАй бұрын
For around the house at 3AM I carry a Taurus 605 and use the 158gr HST rounds in mine. Honestly I just got lucky with finding these rounds I just picked up some random boxes of ammo after I bought the 605 and this was one of them.
@jeffreyrobertson76529 ай бұрын
Really appreciate these ammo testing video’s Tools Thanks for taking the time to do them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
@kennethrisner86489 ай бұрын
That +p round is closer to a 38 spec standard ball round that a 357 mag. Then again as I've heard you say, and I agree, I prefer penetration over expansion, the +p round would have it's place. I find it pretty cool that despite a quazi pitiful muzzle velocity a 38 ball round had that good of penetration. The 38 special served both police and military well for decades and is still a quite effective self defense round, and before someone says it it was the 38 lc that had trouble with stopping power in the Moro rebellion in the philippines. The 38 special is a step above.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
😎👊
@user-uc5sn4tp3f9 ай бұрын
Short Answer - The 125gr .38 +P works better from a 4 inch . Back in the Late Revolver Era , the Third most common Duty ammo were the various 125gr JHP ( with R-P , Federal, and W-W performing similarly) . From 4 inch ( and occasional hold out 6 inch ) guns it expanded , and gave reasonably adequate real world performance. 2 inch , not so much , as seen here .
@robwilson37499 ай бұрын
They work well in 2" as well, just not through denim.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
😎👊
@tundranomad9 ай бұрын
Never a bad day to head to the range!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Nope 😎👊
@Roosterboy_002 ай бұрын
I love these loads in .357 mag. PDX1, Buffalo Bore and HST are the top 4 imo 3:58 that math ain’t mathing. The extreme spread was 41 but it said 42
@curtshelp61709 ай бұрын
The smaller cavity in the lower velocity 38 seems like a bad idea. I don't know if it would have helped to have a bigger cavity but it doesn't appear that it would have hurt.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Agreed
@PRINCE_1752 ай бұрын
Ever since I seen that Taurus 605 with the black and gray grips I broke my neck to find them now I’ve got them….Its most beautiful revolver on the planet 👍🏾 I show it off like I’m the only 1 that has one 😂
@ToolsandTargets2 ай бұрын
Nice! It does look sharp.😎👊
@user-nr2lh5vd3v9 ай бұрын
It looks like the projectiles in the .38+p was changed to get a bit more penetration with the smaller hollow point and taller jacket.
@jimhiller6 ай бұрын
Forget the 38 cal 125gr HTP. It doesn't have the velocity to expand below about 950 fps. Use the 110GR version and it does expand and reach acceptable depth in gello .It's a very old design and needs velocity to work as you saw with the 357 mag.
@guaporeturns94723 ай бұрын
Perfect for me.. I prefer penetration
@arrobrewer27309 ай бұрын
I literally just loaded 60 of those, but 180gr 12grns H110 Winchester magnum primers. Very dense lead and yes its a rifle projectile.
@petemarshall-ij9ke4 ай бұрын
I saw a test with the Golden Saber compact 125 gr. +p. That round was excellent in his test. That's what i run in my snubbie.
@WayStedYou9 ай бұрын
Almost looks like they have the wrong projectiles in each load the smaller opening would likely work with the extra speed and the bigger opening wouldn't fall to pieces in the 38 spl
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
I thought that was kinda strange myself.
@user-im9ov9ud7m9 ай бұрын
Good placement using those snubbies.!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Appreciate that.😎👊
@nikos62209 ай бұрын
The 357 Mag / Sig magic formula, 125 grain 9mm going over 1250 ft/s. Basically makes every bullet design work. 357 Mag vs. 38 Special could be a valuable series, given that many resort to loading their 357 revolver with the weak stuff thinking it is - good enough.
@crankygunreviews9 ай бұрын
I’m reloading 38 special and 357 mag right now as I watch this 👍
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Nice 😎👊
@PassivePortfolios9 ай бұрын
Our street detectives carried S&W Model 10's , round butt, 2" barrel, loaded with 110 grain +P ammo back in 1988 when I started. The armory tested that ammo for expansion although I am not sure on what kind of target medium was used. Your test proved that the 125 grain +P will not expand from a 2" barrel so I assume the armory came up to the same conclusion during testing, and rejected that load. The 357 mag. had excellent performance in your test from a 2" barrel so that is the way to go vs the .38 load. Thanks for another excellent video.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. 110 would probably be the safe bet for .38 shorty.😎👊
@kevanhubbard96739 ай бұрын
That .357 is roughly twice the power of the .38 and twice the recoil at a guess.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Yep
@billdye35309 ай бұрын
That 357 performance looked good except for separation. Bigger difference in fps than I thought. I guessed about 300fps different but 38+P should have hit over 900. The 357 will get it done. Good comparison!!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Yeah, it was some weak +P if you ask me.🤷♂️
@billdye35309 ай бұрын
@@ToolsandTargetsAbout the only 38+P that I think is +P is the Underwood Hard Cast. Just keeps on going & going 🐇.
@josephpacchetti59979 ай бұрын
Those are my EDC rounds when the 357 Magnum is envolved, I thought the 38 Spl would be better, but it must be with a longer bbl., my shortest for the 357 is a 3" bull bbl, Thank You Brian, Have a Safe Weekend! 🇺🇸
@rsbreeze9 ай бұрын
Excellent test! I think the primary difference in the appearance of the bullets is that the .357 magnum the bullet is set deeper in case to get the correct OAL for the cartridge. If you ain't shooting...... .357 magnum you ain't sh!t!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
💥🤠👊💥
@mateoocampo31659 ай бұрын
Could you please do a follow up vid with 4" barrel revolvers? Also, if you haven't tested then yet, the HTP .38 158gr SWC-HP +P is a very good snubby load. That load splits the difference between the traditional SWC-HP +P's and the equivalent boutique loadings(Buffalo bore, etc.) both in velocity AND price.
@mateoocampo31659 ай бұрын
You can actually afford to practice with them, if you don't reload ammo.
@johnnymccann56079 ай бұрын
watching your video i looked at my last357 mag test with two Taurus defender revolvers in 2in and 3 barrels. i ordered the 125 gr sjhp which looks like the Remington bullets your using. same reloads both guns. 2in 1044 - 1097 fps, 303- 334 ft/ lb 6shots.3 in 1227 - 1298 fps and 418 -.466 ft/ lb 6 shots. normally anymore my go to guns are one of my 605defender or my Taurus g2c 9mm. papa wishing you well 😊
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@brockhowell22969 ай бұрын
NICE ONE! I carry the 110 grain .357 in my Taurus 605 and use these 125 +p in my speed loaders, but after seeing this I might go w/something like Buffalo Bore for max power at least for the +P. The .357 is pretty snappy even out of my 6 inch, 40oz. Taurus 66!
@yuvgotubekidding9 ай бұрын
The difference in the projectiles could just be supply issues, them using what they can get. But we’ll never know. Anyway it was a good head to head match up. 👌👊🇺🇸
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
I was surprised they were different so that could be.😎👊
@AKMer479 ай бұрын
Awesome work! Your testing is so much more valuable than so many others using non-standard media like MDF board, oranges, and water jugs. Please could you test Federal Hydrashok Deep 38 Special +P out of a snubby. Thank you!!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. Should be able to come up with something.😎👍
@franklinmarks78459 ай бұрын
Cuz I've been longing to see which would be better a 3-inch short barrel revolver with 357 Magnum full power loads, or a Glock 33 or something comparable that shoots 357 Sig with a comparable full power load, obviously same weight if that was possible and just see would you rather carry nine 357 sig or would you rather carry five or six 357 magnum full power loads, cylinders and speed loaders, 357sig and magazines and easy reloads. That is the question?????😮
@boostimalaka19 ай бұрын
Paul Harrell has done this type of video showing the .357 Magnum in a short barrel is significantly more powerful than a .38 Special in the same revolver.
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel9 ай бұрын
never been fan of remington ammo ive had bad luck outside range use
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
I haven't used a whole lot of it myself.
@PerceptionVsReality3339 ай бұрын
I haven't had any problems with Remington ammo but it's very dirty.
@jasonashley45799 ай бұрын
Both good rounds for self defense really, and them Taurus wheel guns are solid.
@Cr0wmagnum9 ай бұрын
For all around performance you just can't beat the .357 mag. Always a joy to see the jelly contraption in action.
@tinkertalksguns72899 ай бұрын
Good test! Frankly it looks like Remington switched the bullets between these two. It looks like the .357 with it's bigger hollow-point might actually expand out of the .38 Special, and the bullet from the .38 might not break up as bad in the .357. Honestly a little underwhelmed with Remington-brand defensive ammo. Oh, and I agree the .38 +P definitely did not perform as I would have expected.
@MThomas0019 ай бұрын
Nice work. I have a few boxes of the 38 +p. It will kill paper, expensively!
@petearmenta22576 ай бұрын
I've been wavering back and forth between carrying 110 gr. 38 +P and 110 gr. 357. The 357 is more comfortable and less snappy than the +P. Now I'm thinking the 125 gr. 357 might be the perfect balance in a short barrel in regards to less recoil but excellent performance. I'm open to any other suggestions or comments. Thanks, great job.
@craigbenz48359 ай бұрын
Show us both in a 4" barrel. That's what I'd like to see.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
😎👍
@wheeler719 ай бұрын
Thx for your work 👍🎯🗽 ( carried 110JHP in J: 125 FedJHP in K a long time ago) carry on 🔫🇺🇸
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Appreciate you, brother. 😎👊
@riflemaster19 ай бұрын
Great video figured the 38 spec didn't do to well
@corybrown84229 ай бұрын
Very good Ammo Test as always. I was surprised the 38 did so poorly. The 357 was meh, but not terrible. Thank you for doing these tests. I great source of data you put out.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@Nickrioblanco19 ай бұрын
Seems like Remington got it backwards. They should have put the projectile with the bigger cavity on the slower .38 to lessen the under/non expansion and the smaller cavity on the. 357 to prevent overexpansion/fragspansion. Neither seems that good to me.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Who knows what they were thinking.🤷♂️
@jonpinkston9 ай бұрын
If i remember correctly, .38 Special was originally loaded with black powder. The standard psi for .38 is around 18,000 and for +p it's 20,000. The .357 was designed to go through car doors and bullet proof vests. The psi for those are around 60,000. I've heard it was originally higher but that was damaging small framed revolvers. The .357 was designed to be longer so it couldn't fit in a .38, again if i remember correctly, or wasn't misinformed.
@matortiz23229 ай бұрын
I usually prefer Speer gold dot or Federal punch in 38 special+p but I'm considering these as a change local supply isn't favoring the gold Dot for me anyways right now
@Nutty.3579 ай бұрын
Im going to guess, miles apart! before watching lol! 💥Yep as expected but thought the 38s would do better :( might be a nice option in the Henry :D have a good one brother!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Country mile 😆
@Bob-lq9ys9 ай бұрын
357 for the win, great ammo test, Thank you for everything
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Appreciate that, my friend.😎👊
@graywind43269 ай бұрын
Those are my go to .357 rounds. Still among the best. Will fragment a little out of 4-6 inch barrels. I use buffalo bore 38 plus p. All the commercial stuff is just too low velocity. Have not tried underwood but am sure its pretty hot. These .357 rounds are virtually unchanged since the 70’s. The 158 round is excellent as well even out of a 2 inch. Both expand through clothing in tests and in the old days a lot of .357 failed against clothing. Any full power .357 will get 1200-1250 out of a 2 inch barrel, but there are alot of lower velocity mid-range loads out there that may or may not perform from a 2 inch barrel. This load used to be a deal for the price of a 50 round box. You could get .357 125 grain softpoint UMC yellowbox to duplicate point of impact for training that were a good deal cheaper priced.
@shaunharvey11129 ай бұрын
I’m liking the 605 may have to add one to the collection nice looking piece of hardware🤔
@327Federal9 ай бұрын
Love all these Snubbie Tests !!!!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
😎👊
@miker90439 ай бұрын
Another good one Tools ! if I was carrying a snubby id definitely step up to the magnum !
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir.😎👊
@davegreene20319 ай бұрын
A 357 is just hard to beat it's just a good all around gun good video as always
@Fudmottin9 ай бұрын
I'm sure you would really feel the spice on the 357 if you shot it from a S&W 340PD. What happened in the gel was pretty much what I expected. The 38 Special pretty much needs a full 4" barrel to perform. It would certainly benefit from a larger hollow point cavity like the 357 projectile has. The 357 seats deeper into the case so that the overall length fits in the cylinder of the revolver.
@stolnpckup9 ай бұрын
I think you should test the 357 and 44. Both being out of a four inch barrel. If you don't have them. I might let you use mine.
@joeyphillips11819 ай бұрын
Appreciate the test 👍🏻 did one today myself I put some Georgia arms 10mm 180 grain gold dots in some water jugs and they did really good.. not sure what the velocity is but it says 1250 on the bag & also claims to be "+p"
@joeyphillips11819 ай бұрын
I did some 308 Hornady black 168 grain A-MAX also and that stuff puts the hurt down on the jugs lol half the jugs just disappeared 😂
@garrettschienschang78989 ай бұрын
This used to be my 357 carry ammo. Didn’t expect jacket separation due to my past experiences. Glad to see it still doing well. Another great video from the jelly man
@CeltKnight9 ай бұрын
That magnum round did very well considering it was from such a short barrel. I can remember gun magazines back in the '80s wherein pundits were saying that you HAD to have a 6" barrel to get any performance from a .357 and that folks carrying 4" tubes were just wasting their time, never mind shorter barrels. LOL ... I guess they were wrong. ;) Remington 125 are what I have in my .357s right now. It's good stuff. For my .38s, I'll stick to Federal Nyclads and Winchester Silvertips. ;)
@jimchambers75489 ай бұрын
I sent this to my cousin that thinks his 38 snubbie is the same as my 357mag. You'd think a Marine would know the difference 😂. Great video 👍👍
@bluesteeltraining2 ай бұрын
Maybe I’m jumping the gun a little bit (no pun intended lol) but I wish you would do gun reviews as well. Considering your collection, I think you have some pretty good insight as far as firearms go, as well as ammunition.
@ronaldbarnes83029 ай бұрын
The 357 was impressive, good speed out of a snubby, and nice performance in the jelly. The 38 not so much. No problem with the lead/ jacket separation or the little bits of frag. Have some of the 158’s for my lever gun. Thanks for the test Tools!
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
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@kirkwhitaker64229 ай бұрын
Federal NyClad......they need to bring it back...nothing compares to it for 38 spl...
@genecox15369 ай бұрын
IMHO as a long time shooter...The 38 special is made to do it's best work with a regular old 158gr LRN. Any other offerings are just hype. The 357 mag on the other hand...Works great with jackets and hollow point ammo. Very good videos and lots of hard work put in here.
@timrobinson65739 ай бұрын
Nice video. Can you test the 38 Special from a longer barrel to see how it performs?
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. Should be able to handle that.
@robwilson37499 ай бұрын
At 4" the 125+P does expand through denim.
@paulanderson7719 ай бұрын
Is that the best snubby results we've seen from .357? That stuff was moving out!
@petemiller15179 ай бұрын
I had a squib round in the 38 special HTPs about a year ago while shooting my ruger snubby. The projectile stopped about halfway in the barrel.
@ToolsandTargets9 ай бұрын
😣
@mr.browning7.6249 ай бұрын
It seems like it would make more sense to have the 38spl projectile for this round be more similar to the 357 projectile with the lower jacket and wider cavity. 357mag being as powerful as it is doesnt need nearly as much help expanding projectiles as the 38spl so its odd to me that the projectiles are designed that way. But im not an engineer so what do i know
@Hanover_Fist9 ай бұрын
Thanks Tools for another great comparo......both of these rounds are JUNK!!....The 357 needs to be bonded. There are so many superior rounds out there that these would not even be a consideration. Thanks again!!
@kimness77969 ай бұрын
Great test again! Ever try the Underwood (,38) 100 gr +P? They claim 1300/375fpe.
@artwebb69399 ай бұрын
About what I expected to see Honestly when you were showing the difference between the 357 mag and the 38 Special bullet design, my first thought was that they should be swapped and I think that would improve the performance of both, allowing the 357 to stay together better, and the 38 a better chance of expansion
@squibload589 ай бұрын
Both performed as expected. I like the penetration shown by the 38 Spl +P. I gave up on HPs a long time ago. So I never experience hollow point failure. I only use hard cast, powder coated LSWC or RNFP bullets. The FBI standard has only resulted in a race to see who can develop the most expensive HP and then sell 20 of them for more than the cost of 50 bullets that have always gotten the job done. Screw 'em.
@acid6urns8 ай бұрын
yeah you have fun when you use those rounds for self defense and they go straight through what you’re shooting at and hit a bystander or random person. there’s a reason hollow points are the only ammo you should carry for self defense. especially hard cast that is the dumbest idea i’ve ever heard.
@squibload588 ай бұрын
@@acid6urns The 4th Rule of Firearms Safety is not just for hunting or target practice or competition "Always be sure of your target and what lies beyond it. It's for gunfights too. So, you're wrong. Everyone is wrong about that. I don't care which 'expert' you ask, "Will you shoot at a bad guy with your hollowpoint ammo if there is a chance of hitting an innocent person behind him?" The police always carry hollowpoints, but you still hear them screaming, "Watch out for crossfire!" They refuse to fire when someone is behind the guy they need to shoot. I have that same self discipline. Go ahead, ask Massad Ayoob or anybody you want. He will move to another position if the innocent guy doesn't get out of the line of fire. And that nullifies the argument against using HPs for fear of pass throughs. I will continue to carry 230 gr LRN or FMJ in my 1911. More than 30 inches of penetration in gel looks good to me. I have no concerns about inadequate penetration.
@acid6urns8 ай бұрын
@@squibload58 yawn. in most self defense scenarios you don’t GET to move you buffoon. also hollow points actually transfer their energy to the target instead of just poking a hole. you can make excuses all you want but you are quite literally handicapping yourself for no reason and exponentially increasing your liability.
@DestindKnee8 ай бұрын
@@acid6urns I always see this, then followed by ar is the best home defense.
@MAG-li5jo5 ай бұрын
The Remington 125 grain 357 Mag SJHP round through a 4 INCH barrel has been noted to have a 96% one-stop shot rating. This and Federal versions are the notorious "King of the Street" round back when law enforcement carried this in the 70's and 80's before switching over to 9mm semi autos. if you carry a 2 inch Belly Gun revolver just get a 38. The 357 round is rated 1450 FPS. Kind of a silly video.