CLOSE Quarters or MILES Apart?....Remington HTP .357 Magnum vs .38 Special +P AMMO Test!

[@alejandrovargas7592]

This has quickly become a terrific resource for thoroughly well made ammunition reviews !!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

[@alejandrovargas7592]

@@ToolsandTargets ... You're welcome. You've definitely earned any appreciation that's come your way. A couple of my go-to resources, for ammunition reviews in the past have been "luckygunner", .. "tnoutdoors", and a great reviewer , shootingthebull. The latter one unfortunately stopped reviewing some time ago. So I was quite happy to stumble upon your channel a couple of months ago. If you can, please try to review as many self defense rounds as possible. ... Thanks

[@popinfresh3088]

I agree! Very detailed and informative!

[@DrQuagmire1]

@@popinfresh3088 not to mention, pretty funny at times too

[@bluesteeltraining]

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[@kevindutton3676]

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[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@tammypeele1707]

I love this channel. I always check what his recommendations are for ammo. Even switched my carry ammo because of is testing!!

[@buzsalmon]

This is an excellent test Tools! Thank you.

[@waynefelton6413]

I ALWAYS look forward to Tool's videos because they give excellent results for all his 'Jello Time' trials. Today's was another great example. 'Thank You' for ALL your efforts Tools!!!

[@diegomireles]

I really like that you make the tests from the guns that normally people would carry and not from an 6 - 8" revolver.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The longer barrels give you the wow factor, but definitely not the most realistic use case in my opinion.😎👊

[@rsbreeze]

I've shot this Remington .357 round for close to 30 years for hunting. Always get great velocity and preformance. It'll drop medium sized game in its tracks. It'll shoot 1350 ish fps in a 6 inch revolver and 1650 ish fps in a 16 inch barrel lever gun. I'm still shooting stuff that was made in late 80s.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🐗💥

[@Brad1237202]

Appreciate all your hard work on the range Brother!!! Keep up the great work, and enjoy your week!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@danpatton3891]

Thanks Tools. In the early to mid Eighties, it was thought the power of a 357 and a 38 sp +P in a short 2" barrel, was the same. Every gun shop I walked into, told be I needed a 6" barrel in a 357 to see it's potential. Obviously, a 357 Magnum is potent in a short barrel as well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir 😎👊

[@DrQuagmire1]

@@ToolsandTargets a .357 Magnum in a 4-inch barrel is no slouch either!!! I would've gotten the 6-inch variant of the Ruger GP100, but they were sadly out of stock at that time, hence the reason why I got the 4-inch version instead.

[@ctusser]

That’s a terrible myth that’s still widely circulated. .357 dominates .38 +P in any barrel length.

[@danpatton3891]

@@ctusser Where did the myth originate and why was it so wide spread? In the early to mid 1980s, every gun shop I knew, said the same thing. I believe I may even have read an article stating the same thing. I do believe a 6" barrel is needed to realize the full potential of a 357, but it is still very potent in 2" to 4" barrels as well.

[@ctusser]

@@danpatton3891, I doubt anyone knows where it originated, but it was undoubtedly an easy rationalization to adopt for the recoil sensitive masses when snubby revolvers were the norm for concealed carry. I’m sure it spread like wildfire and if you’ve shot a hot .357 load in a small snubby and then a tame .38 back to back you can understand the temptation to want to believe that even though your hand just proved it wrong.

[@RimfireAddicted70]

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[@petee454]

You and your video tests are my daily go-to. Thank you for all you do.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.😎👊

[@johncoleman2495]

These are the exact same loads Remington has sold for years with that 125gr SJHP. And I know a lot of people are gonna call this bullet failure because of the jacket separation and fragmentation (or Fragspansion as you like to call it🤣) But I disagree. I've used these Remington SJHP bullets in both.357 and .44 magnums for years with fantastic results. I've used both the 125gr and 158gr to shoot a lot of stuff over the years. Everything from smallish like woodchucks to a couple of big bucks. The 158 I think is probably better for the bigger stuff as it almost always exits on deer and does absolutely devastating tissue damage. And from what I've seen the 125gr do in everything up to and including deer size game I have no doubt it would act the same in 2 legged targets! This load from a full sized4"-6" revolver actually reaches Remington's advertised velocity of 1450fps and in my closed breach 6" Coonan is over 1600! It's my go to load in .357 magnum and always will be! Great video as always! Thanks Tools!!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.💥😎👊💥

[@lgwappo]

I've heard people say out of a 2" barrel there's not much difference. This proves otherwise. Thinking about getting a 2" .357. But it would be all steel, like that Taurus 605. 24 ounces. My LCR 38 is 13.5 ounces & it's snappy. A guy at the indoor range asked what I was shooting. I said Ruger LCR 38. He said it was loud. Well, the .357 will be twice as loud.

[@djangofreeman9382]

My dad has a Taurus 605 2” snubby and the Cheap Winchester white box 110 grain SJHP is very DEVASTATING and LOUD!! but is quite a bit less snappy and Flashy than the heavier grain loads. Big Bore Stoppin powa But almost always significantly less recoil and muzzle flip than most other traditional .357 Mag loads in a small frame short barrel revolver

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Miles apart. I cannot believe the .38 did not expand. But that .357Mag is total nasty. Good grief what a mega disruption. Great test and commentary. Very interesting good stuff. Agreed 100%. .357 all day long. Thanks for sharing and be safe. Thought it would have been closer. 👊🇺🇸👊🇺🇸

[@LTYTACCT]

Just my 30 years personal experience from handloading and shooting the Remington 125 grain SJHP bullet in 38 Special, 38 Special +P and 357 Magnum. The 125 grain SJHP will usually give moderate expansion in bare ballistic gel blocks when driven out with a velocity as low as 850 f.p.s. However, the muzzle velocity has to be at least 1,000 to 1,070 f.p.s. for the bullet to expand reliably if the gel block is covered by clothing (such as 3 layers of denim which I usually use).

[@jameshood9694]

The 110 grain version of this in 38 special +P does much better in expansion. Personally I like the Golden Saber line much better and it's quite impressive in .357 mag.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Think I have some of those.

[@donakahorse]

companies trying to capitalize on the popularity of the 357 were chambering revolvers in frames that couldn't hold up to the punishment. The response to this was that the loads of the 357 were reduced for safety. I'm wondering if the dissapointing results of the modern 357 compared to the legends are the result. I'd love to see some original loadout results. I know the standard load back in the day was 158 grain projectile at a touch over 1500fps out of an 8 inch barrel. we don't see that very often now.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Same story with a lot of calibers, sadly.

[@donakahorse]

@@ToolsandTargets agreed, look at the 10mm, the loadout is closer to the 40 now vs the beast loads they were on release when they were destroying frames. lol

[@davehoward2791]

My home defense gun is a S&W Mod 66 w/2.5” barrel loaded with these .357 rounds. Saw some good results on Gun Sam’s channel with them and I sleep well at night. I also use the .38+P 110 gr HTP’s in my 4” barrel Mod 10’s and Mod 36 snubbies as home defense too as they do ok in the snubbie but really shine in the 4” barrel. Excellent video Tools, thanks! 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@user-uc5sn4tp3f]

For historical context , these loads are a time capsule of late 1970's ( good for the day ) Duty Ammo . Duty revolvers were mostly 4 inch . Heavy clothing barriers hadn't been thought of for several years yet . From a 4 inch , the .38 +P would have expanded . Bare gel , or a single tee shirt , probably 50/ 50 some expansion, definitely major deformation, even with 2 inch . Trivia - For a few years , R-P offered a Third variant of this ( fourth if you count non +P .38 ) , the " Medium Velocity " .357 Magnum . The trivia part ? The full power .357 from 2 inch bbl gives similar velocities as the " Medium " from 4 inch .

[@alexandermfernandez9283]

I like your comment and totally agree . My dad worked for the D.E.A. in the 70s' and he'd bring boxes of this ammo home 'cause like you said , "it was the duty loads of the times" . I suppose if it worked then , it'll work now ! Appreciate the "Trivia" fact btw .

[@PropsandWings]

.357 Magnum still holds its own to this day, especially after seeing this video. I have one myself made by Dan Wesson; you can change out the barrels and go from a stubby 2 inch, then a 4 inch and a 6 inch if memory serves. Was handed down from my father and in excellent condition.

[@KeithRichardson-zs2eq]

Very interesting. Kinda wonder if Remington swapped the projectiles how the 38 and 357 would have performed. The smaller cavity on the 38 doesn't make much sense at those velocities.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely an odd choice.

[@steelpunisher6944]

Night and day difference is right! lol. The .38 special is another one that is tough to find a load that expands and penetrates from the shorty. That .357 has some thump to it. Great video as always my friend 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@davidjernigan8161]

Way back in the day when the 357 magnum load was listed on the box as 357x (stock number or whatever) it had a huge muzzle flash from a six inch barrel

[@ToolsandTargets]

Had a little flash goin on with these even.💥😎💥

[@johncoleman2495]

That'll teach me to comment before the end ...The answer is yes! I carry this load whenever i carry .357. I like the gel testing as far as being able to compare one round to another but it really doesn't give you any idea how these bullets will actually act in a live tissue and bone target. Ive seen this 125gr bullet punch through both sides of an average whitetail and ive seen it only penetrate 10 or so inches and leave the biggest wound cavity ive seen from a handgun. Ive seen it leave a baseball sized hole in both coyotes and woodchucks and drop them absolutely dead where they stood. Some people will call this bad performance but its not bad performance when it puts the intended target down quickly and cleanly no matter what it does! Id like to see you test the 180gr and . 240gr .44 magnum rounds as well. The 240 is another spectacular performer on deer sized game with the 180 being a little too light and not quite penetrating enough for my liking. But i think it would make a great defensive round if you felt you had to use a .44 magnum!😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@notso5734]

I shot some Remington 357 125 gr SJH out of my lcr. Freaking hot round. But like your test, Paul Harrell showed too that there is still get good expansion out of the shorties.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤠👊

[@djangofreeman9382]

My dad shoots Winchester white box 110 grain SJHP in his Taurus 605 2” snubby and even wit the short barrel those light for caliber but Fast .357 Slugs really whoop that ballistic Gel block pretty BADD!!!

[@RL-RL]

Why in the world would Remington use a smaller opening on the .38spl+P when they are the same diameter? That to me is one reason why it failed so bad IMO. Would a longer barrel have helped it? Probably not...

[@ToolsandTargets]

I was surprised to see different bullets myself.

[@WayStedYou]

The lead colouring seems different too so it could be softer lead but they didnt test it properly.

[@boostimalaka1]

The Federal HST .38 Special 130 grain works well in the 2 inch revolver. The Remington 158 grain LSWCHP +P was what we used in our off duty backup .38 snubnose revolvers. It expanded because the lead was softer compared to Winchester and Federal.

[@SwampOperator]

Man 38 special is garbage....

[@jared8324]

And this Remington ammo has been watered down through the years, Buffalo bore 125g has the old school full load

[@franklinmarks7845]

Finally somebody to do this video everybody talks about oh I have a snub nose and it's good enough with a 38 + P not to carry the 357 Magnum cuz it's too much recoil and it's like they always talk about it's almost the same foot pounds and almost the same velocities there's not that much of a difference between the 38 plus piano snub nose in the 357 Magnum booyah

[@franklinmarks7845]

A+++

[@TAWier]

Cylinder gap imperfection is causing that drop off in velocity. Mark that cylinder on future tests, and you will see that's where the drop-off is at.

[@nickb1690]

I’d like to see how that .38 round would do out of a 4” barrel .

[@raybo34]

I have both for my wife's 38 and my 357. My 357 is a 3 inch and yah those are spicy. I might need to rethink the 38. The 357 got the job done though not perfect. I appreciate you testing these

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊

[@robwilson3749]

Just have the perp remove all denim before the the old lady plugs him.

[@MrSumGuns]

Great video as always thanks! Might as well carry standard 38 FMJ over that 38+p hollow point.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. It sure failed from this short barrel.

[@robwilson3749]

Yep. Flat point FMJ.

[@djangofreeman9382]

Great Test!….My dad has a Taurus 605 2” snubby chambered in Big Badd .357 MAG and strictly only uses the good ‘ol Winchester white box 110 Grain SJHP. Have you tested that load yet ???

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I can't remember if I have or not. I'll have to check that.😎👍

[@xtreme4stringbass]

The advatages of 357 in snubs is so thoroughly documented but the myths still persist. The HTP is just the same bullet in a nickle plated case as the regular Rem 125 SJHP but i have found them to be loaded to lower velocity than the regular green box stuff by around 100 to 150 fps (maybe a lower flash powder?) The 38 bullet works well in a snub with that extra velocity, especially, when striking barriers such as a sternum. It also is designed for penetration first. So the bare gel test does not tell the whole story, but enough to let me know I will take the 357 all day. I prefer to carry a modern 66-8 K frame (much beefed up over my older versions in forcing cone, frame, and lockup) 2.75 with the regular Rem Load when i revolver carry. It is hard to explain to the dot disabled trigger toddler SPUDS that well placed power beats mag dumping for self defense.

[@Dennismadeacomment]

I think yeah, they should have kept the same projectile for both cartridges. Maybe would have actually did some for the 38SPL.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Mhmm

[@MikeGadda]

For around the house at 3AM I carry a Taurus 605 and use the 158gr HST rounds in mine. Honestly I just got lucky with finding these rounds I just picked up some random boxes of ammo after I bought the 605 and this was one of them.

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Really appreciate these ammo testing video’s Tools Thanks for taking the time to do them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@kennethrisner8648]

That +p round is closer to a 38 spec standard ball round that a 357 mag. Then again as I've heard you say, and I agree, I prefer penetration over expansion, the +p round would have it's place. I find it pretty cool that despite a quazi pitiful muzzle velocity a 38 ball round had that good of penetration. The 38 special served both police and military well for decades and is still a quite effective self defense round, and before someone says it it was the 38 lc that had trouble with stopping power in the Moro rebellion in the philippines. The 38 special is a step above.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@user-uc5sn4tp3f]

Short Answer - The 125gr .38 +P works better from a 4 inch . Back in the Late Revolver Era , the Third most common Duty ammo were the various 125gr JHP ( with R-P , Federal, and W-W performing similarly) . From 4 inch ( and occasional hold out 6 inch ) guns it expanded , and gave reasonably adequate real world performance. 2 inch , not so much , as seen here .

[@robwilson3749]

They work well in 2" as well, just not through denim.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@tundranomad]

Never a bad day to head to the range!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nope 😎👊

[@Roosterboy_00]

I love these loads in .357 mag. PDX1, Buffalo Bore and HST are the top 4 imo 3:58 that math ain’t mathing. The extreme spread was 41 but it said 42

[@curtshelp6170]

The smaller cavity in the lower velocity 38 seems like a bad idea. I don't know if it would have helped to have a bigger cavity but it doesn't appear that it would have hurt.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed

[@PRINCE_175]

Ever since I seen that Taurus 605 with the black and gray grips I broke my neck to find them now I’ve got them….Its most beautiful revolver on the planet 👍🏾 I show it off like I’m the only 1 that has one 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice! It does look sharp.😎👊

[@user-nr2lh5vd3v]

It looks like the projectiles in the .38+p was changed to get a bit more penetration with the smaller hollow point and taller jacket.

[@jimhiller]

Forget the 38 cal 125gr HTP. It doesn't have the velocity to expand below about 950 fps. Use the 110GR version and it does expand and reach acceptable depth in gello .It's a very old design and needs velocity to work as you saw with the 357 mag.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Perfect for me.. I prefer penetration

[@arrobrewer2730]

I literally just loaded 60 of those, but 180gr 12grns H110 Winchester magnum primers. Very dense lead and yes its a rifle projectile.

[@petemarshall-ij9ke]

I saw a test with the Golden Saber compact 125 gr. +p. That round was excellent in his test. That's what i run in my snubbie.

[@WayStedYou]

Almost looks like they have the wrong projectiles in each load the smaller opening would likely work with the extra speed and the bigger opening wouldn't fall to pieces in the 38 spl

[@ToolsandTargets]

I thought that was kinda strange myself.

[@user-im9ov9ud7m]

Good placement using those snubbies.!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that.😎👊

[@nikos6220]

The 357 Mag / Sig magic formula, 125 grain 9mm going over 1250 ft/s. Basically makes every bullet design work. 357 Mag vs. 38 Special could be a valuable series, given that many resort to loading their 357 revolver with the weak stuff thinking it is - good enough.

[@crankygunreviews]

I’m reloading 38 special and 357 mag right now as I watch this 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice 😎👊

[@PassivePortfolios]

Our street detectives carried S&W Model 10's , round butt, 2" barrel, loaded with 110 grain +P ammo back in 1988 when I started. The armory tested that ammo for expansion although I am not sure on what kind of target medium was used. Your test proved that the 125 grain +P will not expand from a 2" barrel so I assume the armory came up to the same conclusion during testing, and rejected that load. The 357 mag. had excellent performance in your test from a 2" barrel so that is the way to go vs the .38 load. Thanks for another excellent video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 110 would probably be the safe bet for .38 shorty.😎👊

[@kevanhubbard9673]

That .357 is roughly twice the power of the .38 and twice the recoil at a guess.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@billdye3530]

That 357 performance looked good except for separation. Bigger difference in fps than I thought. I guessed about 300fps different but 38+P should have hit over 900. The 357 will get it done. Good comparison!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, it was some weak +P if you ask me.🤷‍♂️

[@billdye3530]

​@@ToolsandTargetsAbout the only 38+P that I think is +P is the Underwood Hard Cast. Just keeps on going & going 🐇.

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Those are my EDC rounds when the 357 Magnum is envolved, I thought the 38 Spl would be better, but it must be with a longer bbl., my shortest for the 357 is a 3" bull bbl, Thank You Brian, Have a Safe Weekend! 🇺🇸

[@rsbreeze]

Excellent test! I think the primary difference in the appearance of the bullets is that the .357 magnum the bullet is set deeper in case to get the correct OAL for the cartridge. If you ain't shooting...... .357 magnum you ain't sh!t!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🤠👊💥

[@mateoocampo3165]

Could you please do a follow up vid with 4" barrel revolvers? Also, if you haven't tested then yet, the HTP .38 158gr SWC-HP +P is a very good snubby load. That load splits the difference between the traditional SWC-HP +P's and the equivalent boutique loadings(Buffalo bore, etc.) both in velocity AND price.

[@mateoocampo3165]

You can actually afford to practice with them, if you don't reload ammo.

[@johnnymccann5607]

watching your video i looked at my last357 mag test with two Taurus defender revolvers in 2in and 3 barrels. i ordered the 125 gr sjhp which looks like the Remington bullets your using. same reloads both guns. 2in 1044 - 1097 fps, 303- 334 ft/ lb 6shots.3 in 1227 - 1298 fps and 418 -.466 ft/ lb 6 shots. normally anymore my go to guns are one of my 605defender or my Taurus g2c 9mm. papa wishing you well 😊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@brockhowell2296]

NICE ONE! I carry the 110 grain .357 in my Taurus 605 and use these 125 +p in my speed loaders, but after seeing this I might go w/something like Buffalo Bore for max power at least for the +P. The .357 is pretty snappy even out of my 6 inch, 40oz. Taurus 66!

[@yuvgotubekidding]

The difference in the projectiles could just be supply issues, them using what they can get. But we’ll never know. Anyway it was a good head to head match up. 👌👊🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

I was surprised they were different so that could be.😎👊

[@AKMer47]

Awesome work! Your testing is so much more valuable than so many others using non-standard media like MDF board, oranges, and water jugs. Please could you test Federal Hydrashok Deep 38 Special +P out of a snubby. Thank you!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Should be able to come up with something.😎👍

[@franklinmarks7845]

Cuz I've been longing to see which would be better a 3-inch short barrel revolver with 357 Magnum full power loads, or a Glock 33 or something comparable that shoots 357 Sig with a comparable full power load, obviously same weight if that was possible and just see would you rather carry nine 357 sig or would you rather carry five or six 357 magnum full power loads, cylinders and speed loaders, 357sig and magazines and easy reloads. That is the question?????😮

[@boostimalaka1]

Paul Harrell has done this type of video showing the .357 Magnum in a short barrel is significantly more powerful than a .38 Special in the same revolver.

[@joemorganeatmyshortschannel]

never been fan of remington ammo ive had bad luck outside range use

[@ToolsandTargets]

I haven't used a whole lot of it myself.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

I haven't had any problems with Remington ammo but it's very dirty.

[@jasonashley4579]

Both good rounds for self defense really, and them Taurus wheel guns are solid.

[@Cr0wmagnum]

For all around performance you just can't beat the .357 mag. Always a joy to see the jelly contraption in action.

[@tinkertalksguns7289]

Good test! Frankly it looks like Remington switched the bullets between these two. It looks like the .357 with it's bigger hollow-point might actually expand out of the .38 Special, and the bullet from the .38 might not break up as bad in the .357. Honestly a little underwhelmed with Remington-brand defensive ammo. Oh, and I agree the .38 +P definitely did not perform as I would have expected.

[@MThomas001]

Nice work. I have a few boxes of the 38 +p. It will kill paper, expensively!

[@petearmenta2257]

I've been wavering back and forth between carrying 110 gr. 38 +P and 110 gr. 357. The 357 is more comfortable and less snappy than the +P. Now I'm thinking the 125 gr. 357 might be the perfect balance in a short barrel in regards to less recoil but excellent performance. I'm open to any other suggestions or comments. Thanks, great job.

[@craigbenz4835]

Show us both in a 4" barrel. That's what I'd like to see.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@wheeler71]

Thx for your work 👍🎯🗽 ( carried 110JHP in J: 125 FedJHP in K a long time ago) carry on 🔫🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you, brother. 😎👊

[@riflemaster1]

Great video figured the 38 spec didn't do to well

[@corybrown8422]

Very good Ammo Test as always. I was surprised the 38 did so poorly. The 357 was meh, but not terrible. Thank you for doing these tests. I great source of data you put out.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Nickrioblanco1]

Seems like Remington got it backwards. They should have put the projectile with the bigger cavity on the slower .38 to lessen the under/non expansion and the smaller cavity on the. 357 to prevent overexpansion/fragspansion. Neither seems that good to me.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Who knows what they were thinking.🤷‍♂️

[@jonpinkston]

If i remember correctly, .38 Special was originally loaded with black powder. The standard psi for .38 is around 18,000 and for +p it's 20,000. The .357 was designed to go through car doors and bullet proof vests. The psi for those are around 60,000. I've heard it was originally higher but that was damaging small framed revolvers. The .357 was designed to be longer so it couldn't fit in a .38, again if i remember correctly, or wasn't misinformed.

[@matortiz2322]

I usually prefer Speer gold dot or Federal punch in 38 special+p but I'm considering these as a change local supply isn't favoring the gold Dot for me anyways right now

[@Nutty.357]

Im going to guess, miles apart! before watching lol! 💥Yep as expected but thought the 38s would do better :( might be a nice option in the Henry :D have a good one brother!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Country mile 😆

[@Bob-lq9ys]

357 for the win, great ammo test, Thank you for everything

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, my friend.😎👊

[@graywind4326]

Those are my go to .357 rounds. Still among the best. Will fragment a little out of 4-6 inch barrels. I use buffalo bore 38 plus p. All the commercial stuff is just too low velocity. Have not tried underwood but am sure its pretty hot. These .357 rounds are virtually unchanged since the 70’s. The 158 round is excellent as well even out of a 2 inch. Both expand through clothing in tests and in the old days a lot of .357 failed against clothing. Any full power .357 will get 1200-1250 out of a 2 inch barrel, but there are alot of lower velocity mid-range loads out there that may or may not perform from a 2 inch barrel. This load used to be a deal for the price of a 50 round box. You could get .357 125 grain softpoint UMC yellowbox to duplicate point of impact for training that were a good deal cheaper priced.

[@shaunharvey1112]

I’m liking the 605 may have to add one to the collection nice looking piece of hardware🤔

[@327Federal]

Love all these Snubbie Tests !!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@miker9043]

Another good one Tools ! if I was carrying a snubby id definitely step up to the magnum !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@davegreene2031]

A 357 is just hard to beat it's just a good all around gun good video as always

[@Fudmottin]

I'm sure you would really feel the spice on the 357 if you shot it from a S&W 340PD. What happened in the gel was pretty much what I expected. The 38 Special pretty much needs a full 4" barrel to perform. It would certainly benefit from a larger hollow point cavity like the 357 projectile has. The 357 seats deeper into the case so that the overall length fits in the cylinder of the revolver.

[@stolnpckup]

I think you should test the 357 and 44. Both being out of a four inch barrel. If you don't have them. I might let you use mine.

[@joeyphillips1181]

Appreciate the test 👍🏻 did one today myself I put some Georgia arms 10mm 180 grain gold dots in some water jugs and they did really good.. not sure what the velocity is but it says 1250 on the bag & also claims to be "+p"

[@joeyphillips1181]

I did some 308 Hornady black 168 grain A-MAX also and that stuff puts the hurt down on the jugs lol half the jugs just disappeared 😂

[@garrettschienschang7898]

This used to be my 357 carry ammo. Didn’t expect jacket separation due to my past experiences. Glad to see it still doing well. Another great video from the jelly man

[@CeltKnight]

That magnum round did very well considering it was from such a short barrel. I can remember gun magazines back in the '80s wherein pundits were saying that you HAD to have a 6" barrel to get any performance from a .357 and that folks carrying 4" tubes were just wasting their time, never mind shorter barrels. LOL ... I guess they were wrong. ;) Remington 125 are what I have in my .357s right now. It's good stuff. For my .38s, I'll stick to Federal Nyclads and Winchester Silvertips. ;)

[@jimchambers7548]

I sent this to my cousin that thinks his 38 snubbie is the same as my 357mag. You'd think a Marine would know the difference 😂. Great video 👍👍

[@bluesteeltraining]

Maybe I’m jumping the gun a little bit (no pun intended lol) but I wish you would do gun reviews as well. Considering your collection, I think you have some pretty good insight as far as firearms go, as well as ammunition.

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

The 357 was impressive, good speed out of a snubby, and nice performance in the jelly. The 38 not so much. No problem with the lead/ jacket separation or the little bits of frag. Have some of the 158’s for my lever gun. Thanks for the test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@kirkwhitaker6422]

Federal NyClad......they need to bring it back...nothing compares to it for 38 spl...

[@genecox1536]

IMHO as a long time shooter...The 38 special is made to do it's best work with a regular old 158gr LRN. Any other offerings are just hype. The 357 mag on the other hand...Works great with jackets and hollow point ammo. Very good videos and lots of hard work put in here.

[@timrobinson6573]

Nice video. Can you test the 38 Special from a longer barrel to see how it performs?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Should be able to handle that.

[@robwilson3749]

At 4" the 125+P does expand through denim.

[@paulanderson771]

Is that the best snubby results we've seen from .357? That stuff was moving out!

[@petemiller1517]

I had a squib round in the 38 special HTPs about a year ago while shooting my ruger snubby. The projectile stopped about halfway in the barrel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@mr.browning7.624]

It seems like it would make more sense to have the 38spl projectile for this round be more similar to the 357 projectile with the lower jacket and wider cavity. 357mag being as powerful as it is doesnt need nearly as much help expanding projectiles as the 38spl so its odd to me that the projectiles are designed that way. But im not an engineer so what do i know

[@Hanover_Fist]

Thanks Tools for another great comparo......both of these rounds are JUNK!!....The 357 needs to be bonded. There are so many superior rounds out there that these would not even be a consideration. Thanks again!!

[@kimness7796]

Great test again! Ever try the Underwood (,38) 100 gr +P? They claim 1300/375fpe.

[@artwebb6939]

About what I expected to see Honestly when you were showing the difference between the 357 mag and the 38 Special bullet design, my first thought was that they should be swapped and I think that would improve the performance of both, allowing the 357 to stay together better, and the 38 a better chance of expansion

[@squibload58]

Both performed as expected. I like the penetration shown by the 38 Spl +P. I gave up on HPs a long time ago. So I never experience hollow point failure. I only use hard cast, powder coated LSWC or RNFP bullets. The FBI standard has only resulted in a race to see who can develop the most expensive HP and then sell 20 of them for more than the cost of 50 bullets that have always gotten the job done. Screw 'em.

[@acid6urns]

yeah you have fun when you use those rounds for self defense and they go straight through what you’re shooting at and hit a bystander or random person. there’s a reason hollow points are the only ammo you should carry for self defense. especially hard cast that is the dumbest idea i’ve ever heard.

[@squibload58]

​@@acid6urns​ The 4th Rule of Firearms Safety is not just for hunting or target practice or competition "Always be sure of your target and what lies beyond it. It's for gunfights too. So, you're wrong. Everyone is wrong about that. I don't care which 'expert' you ask, "Will you shoot at a bad guy with your hollowpoint ammo if there is a chance of hitting an innocent person behind him?" The police always carry hollowpoints, but you still hear them screaming, "Watch out for crossfire!" They refuse to fire when someone is behind the guy they need to shoot. I have that same self discipline. Go ahead, ask Massad Ayoob or anybody you want. He will move to another position if the innocent guy doesn't get out of the line of fire. And that nullifies the argument against using HPs for fear of pass throughs. I will continue to carry 230 gr LRN or FMJ in my 1911. More than 30 inches of penetration in gel looks good to me. I have no concerns about inadequate penetration.

[@acid6urns]

@@squibload58 yawn. in most self defense scenarios you don’t GET to move you buffoon. also hollow points actually transfer their energy to the target instead of just poking a hole. you can make excuses all you want but you are quite literally handicapping yourself for no reason and exponentially increasing your liability.

[@DestindKnee]

@@acid6urns I always see this, then followed by ar is the best home defense.

[@MAG-li5jo]

The Remington 125 grain 357 Mag SJHP round through a 4 INCH barrel has been noted to have a 96% one-stop shot rating. This and Federal versions are the notorious "King of the Street" round back when law enforcement carried this in the 70's and 80's before switching over to 9mm semi autos. if you carry a 2 inch Belly Gun revolver just get a 38. The 357 round is rated 1450 FPS. Kind of a silly video.