Which AMMO Weight Is BEST?....357 Magnum Remington UMC vs HTP!

[@charlesmullins3238]

They all go to heaven with the 3 5 7…. A cartridge that stands the test of time…

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Dennisthemenace40]

That SJHP bullet is a real workhorse, economical and effective. The 125 gr is THE benchmark for self defense. The 158 gr would make a better all purpose round; hunting and defense against dangerous animals, both two and four legged.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. Jobs well done.😎👍

[@freedomfirst5420]

Agreed!

[@clintwalker2231]

Back in the 90’s. Bought a cases of black box Winchester nosier partitions in a 180gr. Great cartridge.

[@rileyneufeld7001]

The 125 SJHP was the round to have the over 90% one shot stop statistic.

[@davidbliss3220]

This round in it’s day was known as “The king of the street.”

[@scottstewart5784]

Thanks Tools for the 3 inch test! I went with a 3 inch 605 in 357/38 after looking at speed tests - they showed big velocity gains up to 3 inches, then much smaller gains. It's a lot easier to stick 3 inches in your pocket than 4 inches. A lot of hollow or soft points won't expand out of 2 inches reliably but will out of 3 - you're spot on, 3 inches is the sweet spot. Can't believe I got through that without making a d*ck joke. That reminds me of an old joke - a woman asked me to give her 6 inches and make it hurt, so I did her twice and slapped her face.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣 You'll get cancelled for that one nowadays!

[@1madmaxx80]

@Scott Stewart Ah, a real gentleman I see 👏👏

[@toneyholcombe7088]

Yeah I've always considered 3" the best balance for .357 magnum. Only a smidge velocity loss and still a good carry size. Good woods sidearm

[@Maverick-bu6uz]

its all just an estimate, well unless you actually measure it

[@Roboticdoughbull3k]

I came to the same conclusion after much research of velocities and penetration statistics. I too went with the 605 357 in 3" stainless Taurus Toro they recently released, I love it. She's in my rotation with my 4.5" Lakeline barrel G3 9mm or Kahr CM45acp. All calibers prepared with Buffalo bore jhp and or Underwood extreme defense monolithic projectiles I surely don't feel at a disadvantage with anything I carry, least of which my 605.

[@7-ghostbones166]

I 'm about to tell my age when I say this, but when I started my civilian career as a policeman, we still carried revolvers. Duty length was 4 or 6 inches and off duty was normally a 2 1/2" variant of the K or L-Frame Smith's. Until the transition to semiautomatic pistols, all of our duty loads were 125 grainers. This was either for 38 Specials or 357 Magnums. I've seen the results of the the 125's up close, and they WORK very well. The one instance I saw a 158 gr. used it stayed in, but it was on a THICK-O-BOY. The Border Patrol authorized a 110gr. for a while, as well as optional 125 & 158 grain loads IF the officer could qualify with them. Since this is my pet cartridge I have collected shooting data on it since 1987. The over whelming top performer is the 125 grain from a 4" , followed by the 158 grain. You'll find that most manufacturers rifle their 357's for 158 grain loads. Which to my nearly 40 years of experience, is generally the most accurate weight to use. I kept 158 grain JHP's in my cruiser ( Gold Dots when they came out later) to dispatch wounded animals. They work better than the lighter loads, and kick a heck of a lot less than a 12 gauge slug for dispatching deer.

[@ToolsandTargets]

No doubt either will do the job at adjusting a bad attitude if need be.😎👍

[@johnshields9110]

I always appreciate hearing from people experienced with a cartridge. Am from your 'age'. I have carried and relied on the 357 with 2 1/2 and 4" nearly every where I have been. It's all I had in my younger years, traveling a few outdoor 'bear' territories. I am a good shot, and always hoped those hot 158's would go deep enough to cripple or kill outright. The Keith style bullets really penetrated well the few times I tested them on perished livestock. The 357 is not a 44 Mag though, as someone people wish.

[@DrQuagmire1]

@@ToolsandTargets not to mention man, that Underwood Ammo makes their .357 Magnum rounds almost as spicy as some of their 180-240 grain .44 Magnum loads

[@7-ghostbones166]

You're exactly right about the .357 not being in the .44's league. The .357 to me shined more as a 2-legged problem solver than a 4-legged one. It's sad to say men like Elmer Keith and Bill Jordan aren't around these days. I always think of them when I talk about these calibers.

[@johnshields9110]

@@7-ghostbones166 My oldest brother is now 93. He educated himself, and I, about only listening to those two greats, or people who have tested or measured what worked. He stopped with his Model 28 Smith in 357 as his defensive/outdoor hand gun as there weren't that many bears everywhere then, as now. He loved to fish wild Canada way back then, and camped about with a fully loaded WWI SMLE 303 tagged by the Govt with a soft weld on its bolt It was an ugly ass beat to hell rifle, but it's bolt was slick; the experienced old timers knew what worked!

[@alantoon5708]

A very good friend of mine is a retired big city homicide detective and he has specifically mentioned the "Remington 125 grain .357 scallop jacketed hollowpoint" as an superb defensive round. That is what I have in the .357 Magnum.

[@ToolsandTargets]

No doubt it'll do the job.😎👍

[@upperroomtoo]

My daughter shot a deer with the 125gr. It was running 1450fps out of our longer barrel. It absolutely devastated the chest cavity of that deer and fully penetrated. The exit hole in the ribs was 3 inches around. The performance was perfect and I was really surprised by such a light bullet. Your test confirmed what we saw.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🦌💥

[@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X]

Even out of a 3 inch , 357 is nuts.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. Gotta love it!

[@dangerman007]

Thanks for testing using the 3-inch barrel. My first revolver has this configuration and I always wondered if I had shortchanged myself by not getting the longer barrel. Wonder no more! I carry this exact 125-grain load. I did make the correct choice. Devastating performance!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. Three inch seems like a winner.😎👍

[@joegoetz8884]

Ah, for the good old days…When Walmart sold the 125gn UMC load in 100rd boxes, for $50. Using this load in a 3” GP100. You’re right…3 inch is the sweet spot.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, they suck even more than they already did for goin woke like that.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

I remember.

[@robwilson3749]

Yep. Also the days of 125gr. +P SJHP Remington 100 round value packs of .38 Special for $29.99- Gawd....the pain!!!

[@danielbretall2236]

​@@robwilson3749 Heck, I remember when you could get the cheap 9mm training ammo there for about TEN bucks a box of 50. We'll never see that again.😢

[@robertkubrick3738]

I never used the Remington hollow points. I did use the 158gr soft point in a 6 inch revolver back when .357 was still full power.

[@PileofBrass]

And THAT is why the .357 is my favorite handgun caliber. Great video.

[@tommylitchfield3450]

Good test, Tools! I bought my boy a Cimmaron 1875 Remington revolver in .357 with a 7-1/2" barrel when he graduated high school, and man, them .357s LOVE them some extra barrel length! Any time I have somebody say that their fill-in-the-blank autoloader is as powerful as, or more powerful than a .357, I call ol' Noah to bring his cannon over!! It's the undisputed king of BOOM at my little range! Never shot it up against a 10mm with hot rounds, but it spanks his .40 Beretta 96 with the hottest 40's we've tried, and unless you step up to some of the best performers, a lot of the 10mms are not much different than a hot 40 S&W. Them ol' magnums ain't playin around!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Love some good hot .357 mag.😎👍

[@murlinthomas9858]

Yes Sir!

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Great Test, I used the Remington 125gr SJHP as my S.D. round in all of my 357s, this was many years ago before they used the HTP designation, only complaint was when fired at night from a 3' barrel, the muzzle flash was as big as a beachball and bright white, like a flashbulb from an old camera, THX for the test, really enjoyed it. 👍 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I can imagine the flash from this sucker!😵😵😵

[@josephpacchetti5997]

@@ToolsandTargets A Federal 357, only looks like a orange softball or a little bigger, enjoyed it a lot.THX again. 😎

[@raouldukejj]

I have the exact same 686, with 125 grains it's an absolute flamethrower. I have a slomo of me shooting it and was stunned how massive the fire was

[@anthonyguidas2012]

Pretty impressive, I appreciate you testing with the 686 plus, I have the exact same revolver so it’s nice to see how the ammo performs in that.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice. Haven't put a lot of rounds through this one yet.

[@TheRealSwampOperator]

It's a nice looking pistola too

[@cgsimons1187]

This is great to finally see a test with these two specific bullets from a 3" barrel. This 125gr Remington JHP(as well as the old Federal before they renamed it Train + Protect and reduced the power) has a reputation for being the best manstopper among handgun bullets. From a 4" revolver barrel and up the fragmentation does tend to happen much earlier in the wound channel and is a bit more dramatic. This still looks like it would be a highly effective manstopper from the 3" barrel. The 158gr Remington SJHP is a good all-around bullet. It goes a bit deeper and could work for defense against man or somewhat bigger animals. In addition to it performing well from a revolver, it is absolutely spectacular when fired from a carbine.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin it out! Always a fun test with .357 mag when it does well.😎👍

[@buddysumner4022]

The good ol 357 mag, a icon

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir 😎👊

[@brianklamer3328]

I'm a 125 grain .357 fella myself. Thanks again for another great video.

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Pleasantly surprised the 125 penetrated like it did. Prefer 125’s for 2 legged and the 158’s for 4 legged critters. My 20 inch lever gun really likes the 158 HTP’s. Thanks for the test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. They did very nicely.😎👍

[@deanhoward4128]

S&W 686 .357 hard to beat with any bullet weight and barrel length! For a lot of years the N.M.S.Police issued that workhorse for their uniformed officers; unfortunately they have gone to the semi- automatic in .45a.c.p or .357Sig cartridges. I have a retired N.M.S.P 686 & it still shoots like a new one!

[@rsbreeze]

.357 magnum........'nuff said! I just cleaned up about 850 brass cases to reload. Gonna do about 250 with the Lehigh Defense Extreme Defender bullets with about 9.5 g of Power Pistol. Should be rolling about 1350 fps in my 6 inch revolver. 7:18

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎👊💥

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍two good rounds. I’ve been using the Remington HTP 125 gr sjhp for several years out of my ruger sp 101 3” barrel . The last time I ran them through my chronograph I got 1352 fps. I don’t believe there’s much difference between them and the Remington umc. Great test Tools.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

It's the same round except one is nickel plated & the other is not.

[@YellowHammer26]

@@PerceptionVsReality333 👍👍

[@krashdude1]

Another great test. I just got a 3" Smith. BUT, for any concealed carry it has limited appeal for me. I looked back at your Sig P365 tests with 9mm HST and that had comparable results in the gel performance, if not better than these two. .357 velocity is better for sure but the 9mm expanded to .63 and went almost 16" as well. A 37 oz gun with 7 shots vs an 18 oz gun with 11 shots. Can't put my Smith in my front pocket....

[@yellowboxster06]

Great video. I’ve always defaulted to the 158 gr load as the best solution for home defense.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 😎👍

[@deltabravo1811]

Greater retained weight and penetration wins.

[@arrobrewer2730]

158 through a Henry. White Tail dropper.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🦌💥

[@casejasnoch2533]

With the Remington htp’s?

[@johnnyv.223]

Great comparison, Tools! I was really impressed by both of those. Remington came through on their projector design. Thank you, Sir, for this and all your many tests. We're much obliged to you.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@hds181]

Love these Remington semi-jacketed hollow-point bullets. I even found a hundred of them in the 170-grain .410 size at a local gun shop. They were in a plastic baggie with a home-printed label. I loaded some in Magnum cases and some in Starline's .41 Special cases. I don't have any ballistic gel, but I want to do some water jug testing of them out of my 3-inch Taurus Tracker .41 Magnum and my 10" Contender barrel. Thanks for another entertaining and informative video. You always knock it out of the park, brother.

[@therichie9916]

I was always a 125 guy but that 158 impressed me ALLOT.

[@skiphinson8620]

Fantastic video. I’m old and .357 magnum is still the king of the best balance of power and portability in my way of thinking. Decades of one shot stop statistics are just now being matched, but probably not surpassed, by the current trendy calibers.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Great caliber.😎👍

[@jerrywilson5173]

I’ve loaded my share of 125 and 158 grain and both seem to work about the same on deer , hogs and coyotes. I usually use my 6in GP 100 and I carry my 3in Gp 100 for social work!!! 👍🏻

[@ToolsandTargets]

.357 Mag just wants to get it done.😎👍

[@jerrywilson5173]

@@ToolsandTargets I’ve never found too much it won’t handle! 😁

[@googleeyeseyes4033]

Once again, perfect timing with the exact cartridge and weights and you topped it off with a THREE inch barrel, exactly what I carry and would have ordered if I was gonna, so thanks again for timely material!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice! Appreciate you checkin it out again!

[@adamsaylor7427]

Same here. He always has perfect timing. Just got a King Cobra 3” and I’m carrying 158 grain HTP in it.

[@theroller5673]

I used Remington 125 gn SJHP in my Taurus Model 65 with a 4" barrel. Hard to argue with the legendary "man-stopper" round. Happy for Remington making such a comeback. From the depths of hell and during the plan-demic, Remington rose up and kept us armed while Hornady went woke and sold out its own people. Support Remington when you can friends.

[@donskiver]

A buddy of mine is a bit of a wheel gun aficionado, and he's a big proponent of the 3" barrel length for .357 magnum.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It showed up for work on this one.😎👍

[@ironmikehallowween]

The 357 is just a workhorse that can do it all. Thanks for video

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yes it is.😎👍

[@anthonyb2334]

Thanks. I plan on getting a 3” for the trail and was very pleased how well it performs. Great video. Thank you

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Seemed to be great for these two.😎👍

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Good test and results for the .357mag. The 125’s is my choice as well. Very informative and educational to see other types of ammo and calibers I don’t have. Thanks for sharing and be safe. ⭐️🇺🇸😎👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Gotta love the magnum!

[@davehoward2791]

Remington HTP’s are the only rounds I use in my home defense and personal defense revolvers. My .38’s (two snubbies & two 4” Mod 10’s) are stoked with 110gr +P SJHP’s and my .357 (2.5” Mod 66, my default bump in the night gun) is full of those 125gr monsters. I’ll be inheriting a 6” Mod 19 .357 from my brother soon and I picked up a box of those 158gr SJHP’s for it. The extra barrel length should speed it up a bit which should tone down the penetration somewhat. Any way you look at it the old tried & true SJHP bullet is hard to beat in .38/.357 Mag. Great test, thanks! 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Picked up a new 6" .357 mag last week because I couldn't stand the thought of shooting the engraved 6" Python I have to do gel tests.😂

[@raybo34]

Nice to see a 3 inch test. That's what I have. I was actually looking at both of those so this was very helpful. 357 is slim pickin's around here.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It was here for quite a while. Luckily my local shop has been on top of things.

[@daflyinhawaiian2]

Old Timer here. Normally the speeds are out of a fixed 4 inch test barrel. (No barrel gap) Rule of thumb is you lose 100 fps per inch, so the 125 grain is on par with the numbers. So the 158 grains should average about 1340-1350 fps average. Quite Impressive!

[@johnthomasjr262]

I own a 3" 357mag revolver and I have some of these 158gr remington hollow points. I didn't have any statistics/ballistics for this setup until now. Thanks again for another helpful video. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Great stuff.😎👍

[@joeyphillips1181]

These are the best of the old school rounds in my opinion I used to carry them in 357 mag myself don't have too many left but I still have some 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ToolsandTargets]

They get it done.😎👍

[@DeanMk1]

In the video you mentioned the the box of 158 gr. HTP's does not give a velocity, so you didn't know what to expect. I checked Remington's website and for the 158 gr. Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point round, they list a muzzle velocity of 1235 ft./sec. So your 3" revolver held the speed up pretty well. 👍

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

Hey Tools, just wanna say thank you for all your hard work and information. I'm looking at getting a 3 inch 357, and you're one of the only Guntubers to test ammo with a 3 inch barrel, so I knew I had a wealth of information to view, and pick what'll work best for me. Thank you!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that. I need to do some more .357 testing.😎👊

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

@@ToolsandTargets Well hey, I'll be here for it!

[@belayasmert9943]

In 2024, I choose to EDC smith 66-8 4"bbl Loaded with corbon 357 mag HP. 110 grainers I carry 2 extra speed strips with remington 125 sjhp. it can handle any potential threat of lethality that one might encounter . IMHO

[@micksmith7140]

Thanks for the test, my friend. Couldn't be happier to see Remington back making quality ammo again. Excited to find out if their tool offerings are measuring up as well. Have a good one!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Have a great Sunday!

[@CeltKnight]

Remington 125 SJHPs are what I have in my .357s. These got a wee bit more penetration than I expected, but given how shallow they have been reported to go in the past, that's not a bad thing. The 158 gr did quite well, too, I'd say. I think I'll stick with my 125s, but if I ever decide to make a dent in the local pig population, I might opt for some 158s. Great video!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Both look like some good stuff.😎👍

[@cgsimons1187]

I've seen similar claims relating the 125gr SJHP. Though in every gel test I've looked at they get past the 12" mark. Now if they are comparing them to the 158gr, then of course that heavier bullet goes several inches further. There might also be some confusion since some police back in the day carried 110gr SJHP in their .357 Mag revolvers. A number of the cops who were issued that ammo may have been unaware of the difference. The 110gr and 125gr would both be considered light bullets and look nearly identical. However, the results on the street were very different. According to stats I've read, one shot with a 110gr SJHP would succeed in stopping violent felons 9 out of 10 times. The 125gr SJHP would succeed 24 out of 25 times. Many gel tests also show those 110gr falling a few inches short of reaching the 12" mark.

[@leewitte4700]

Very helpful test. I have a SP101 in 3" and a Taurus 605 in 2". Was leaning towards getting some 125 grain for the 2", this confirms that's the way to go. I'll save the 158 grain for the 3" trail gun. Wish I had held out and waited to find the SP 101 with the 2.25" barrel, but 2" Taurus 605 is easier to CC in town.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@petemiller1517]

I took a deer with the 158 grain htp. Went through both rib cages stopped in the hide on the other side. Using a 5” 686.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🦌💥

[@randypryse4025]

Thanks for the .357 test. I am usually old school on the bullet weights .. like a .357 /158gr would be the go to - but your review has me convinced to at least try the 125gr. For sure, the 125gr was effective! Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next video(s)! Also, I heard you mention your hands get sweaty/slippery sometimes when it is warm. I have the same issue and have found a product that works like magic. It is "Tite Grip II All-Sport Topical Antiperspirant Hand Lotion" and I found it at the large online retailer from Washington State. Strongly suspect you can pick it up locally at Wal*Mart or sports supply store. I have used it for years and really like it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hmmm, I'm gonna look at that right now. Summer is coming fast and I got a lot of shooting to do! Thank you sir.😎👍

[@kathygates8845]

ONE WORD ...!!!! WINNER , WINNER CHICKEN DINER ....!!!!!!!! GREAT TEST ... !!!!!! LOVE REMINGTON AMMO... ALWAYS DONE ME RIGHT ... DOUBLE G. HERE . ... " GARY " ... ! ! !

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's the longest word I've ever seen!😂😂😂

[@kathygates8845]

@@ToolsandTargets PLEASE KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO .... !!!!! GG.

[@randyduncan795]

Some of Remington's recent 125gr 357Mag has been almost as watered down as Bud Light. I was happy to see better results with a 3". Please forgive my greediness...I'd like to see this same test with a 4". This is what happens when you produce great material! Thank you for the work you're doing.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Should be able to come up with something.😎👍

[@cgsimons1187]

I had seen that with Federal's recent 125gr 357 Mag bullets. They renamed them Train + Protect and really reduced their velocity. Possibly they are gearing those towards people who carry light frame snub nose .357 Mag revolvers. Which is a shame because if someone wants weaker than .357 Mag they should get .38 Special +P.

[@silenceismycanvas]

I got right at 1450 from a 4" m66 with that ammo (125gr). Love to have a 3" m66. Great video!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@bradleycarty9628]

I’ve used the 125 htp +p in my Taurus 605 3inch it does quite well

[@ToolsandTargets]

Seems like good stuff.😎👍

[@thomaspalmer7900]

I have a Taurus 605 snub nose 2” barrel & absolutely love it. I carry it a lot especially during the Summer. I also carry an extra speed loader or two.

[@JJ_SDWR]

Great test Tools, i have boxes of both of these loads. One consideration if you have a revolver with fixed sights is that most 357 revolver manufacturers are made with the point of aim using 158gr ammo, now does that make a difference at self defense distances, I highly doubt it, but something to consider. Id have no problem with either one of these in my 4 inch Taurus 65.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@yankeecornbread8464]

I must have gotten an out-of-spec green box of Remington .357. Some of the rims were too thick for the Python cylinder to close. Same problem with a King Cobra, but all S&W revolvers took them. The gap between the back of the cylinder and the shield was noticeably closer on the Colts!

[@joshuamorale8602]

Great round. Does just about everything you need it to. Boxes of 50 are a big plus.

[@MAG-li5jo]

Remington UMC and HTP are like you said. Ther only difference is the casing. It is great ammo and the UMC is priced great too. All the expensive boutique ammo, but still keep my 4-inch barrel S&Ws loaded with the UMC semi jacketed hollow points. When law enforcement was carrying 357 Mags back in the day, both the Remington and Federal versions of the 125 grain SJHP through 4-inch barrels had a 96% one-stop shot rating.

[@thatsmytwocents4372]

Thanks for a great video. I agree, i think 3 inch is a great sweet spot. I hate carrying the 4, but 2 doesn’t get you the velocity, nor the expansion.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@abengelbrecht]

Great test! FYI with a 6" 686+ I get 1380fps with the 158gr Remington HTP and 1550fps with the 125gr HTP. Personally I would use 125gr for up to 4" revolvers and then go to 158gr from 6"+, too much speed will fragment the 125gr even worse. As I mentioned in your other video with the longer barrel 357s that you get some incredible velocities out of the Remington HTPs 125gr (2000+fps) or 158gr (1750fps)!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@jimchambers7548]

I love 357mag, ppl tease me about carrying my 605 when I have S&W 442, Sigs, Ruger etc. The good thing about 357mag is no matter barrel size or bullet weight its still gonna perform pretty good. Enjoyed as always 👍👍

[@1madmaxx80]

Right up my alley! Should be another good vid!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@1madmaxx80]

@@ToolsandTargets I scored a box of those 125s a couple weeks ago. Kinda pricey @ $120/100rds, but glad to know they should work well if needed! Might be like little grenades out of my 6" gp100 👍🤣

[@johnmikel5934]

Great review man, some powerfully destructive rounds

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Gotta love a good magnum handgun round.😎👊

[@javierciordia7206]

Nice video! Love seeing 3 inch 357 mag! There’s no much videos from 3 inch mag around so thanks for that!

[@PassivePortfolios]

Can't go wrong with either one of these, darn good performance. They should expand and fragment even more from 4"+ barrels. Good penetration too. Some people prefer the 180 grainers for hunting but these should work just fine.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Gotta love some Magnum rounds.😎👍

[@twigsaregood]

This was really helpful, thanks a bunch! I do wish I could've seen both of these out of a > 2 inch barrel but thanks for adding your opinion about them out of 2 inch barrels at the end!

[@johnlacasse8893]

125 is THE legendary manstopper... But that 158 looks pretty good.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I'll take either one.😎👍

[@drewpackman2929]

Very good. Your clothing barrier at the front is realistic. I use the .357 for deer hunting in a Marlin 18" carbine. 158XTP and 158 Rem. semi jacketed soft point. I do not think either of those projectiles you used would hold up at those velocities But out of your 686 a very good choice.

[@billdye3530]

Both looked good out of a 3in barrel & good speed. Odd that the 158 formed a lead skirt without losing it. Sure tear a big hole going out the back side. Good stuff. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. That lead was hangin on for dear life!😆

[@billdye3530]

​@@ToolsandTargetsI've been known to hang on to a skirt for dear life - when younger - & then get thrown to the side. Now on Blood thinner it takes 2 weeks to lose bruises instead of 2 days. 😂😂😂 🏃

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@billdye3530 🤣🤣🤣

[@cgsimons1187]

When this 158gr bullet gets going even faster that lead skirt breaks apart into pieces that get flung well outside the wound channel. The best way to see that demonstrated is by firing it from a lever action carbine or rifle into ballistic gel. 😃

[@prepperoverwatch7965]

Respectable velocities, and I have this ammo in Remington 158gr HTP, and Winchester 125gr SJHP. Always nice to see good choices confirmed. 👌

[@ToolsandTargets]

Magnum getting it done.😎👍

[@Lexicologist1971]

That is the first positive info I've seen for the HTP.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It did the job well on this one.

[@wheeler71]

Thx for your work 🎯 👍 carried 357s in 70s 80s ; 2.5"-6" bbl 110gr -145 gr (mostly125 JHP Federal) ; always felt confident 🔫🇺🇲

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Great round.😎👍

[@kenlambeth4113]

Early in my LE career we carried 4" S&W Mod 66's with the Remington 158 gr SJHP. We referred to them as Rose Petals.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice 😎👊

[@sparky_-mf2cs]

686+ is thee best combat revolver. I love the strong trigger reset for a revolver. And the trigger pull is smooth. Plus you get 7 shots 🤠

[@ToolsandTargets]

Great gun.😎👊

[@buzsalmon]

Yes both are winners! I'd probably keep using the 158 cause that is what I've always used. Good show Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@justingilmer3642]

Great test! I have the same gun. Sometimes old school tech gets the best results. I have quite a bit of each of these and currently have the 125’s loaded in a couple of my revolvers. Which one do you think has the most manageable recoil? It’s been hard for me to decide which ones to keep in my guns and I switch them from time to time.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I think the 125 seemed to have a little less.😎👍

[@bobjohnson1633]

You're right. I do need a 3" 686 for my collection

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@chretired]

Very interesting test Tools. I'd like to see how these would do in a lever gun. I'm taking a guess they would almost explode. That's the only type of 38/357 firearm I have. Once again you've managed to come up with a really good test for us to digest. Have a great weekend. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you as always, my friend! Maybe if I moved it on out a good ways, they would hold together.😎👍

[@bobjohnson1633]

The benefit of more powerful cartridges is heavier bullets. Get 180 or even 200 grain bullets and they are very good

[@richarddoty1498]

We always called the "Rose Petals" old school and still deadly

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yes indeed.😎👍

[@Adam-nv9zo]

Congratulations on hitting 40k subs, buddy.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

[@azazelakira12]

They did great in this test, for good old plinking I would use the SJHP

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@carlosmorris4510]

An excellent comparison. Great power with those Remington UMC's; good to know, as I have a 3" Ruger SP101... And they're known as 'flamethrowers', lol! 🔥💨🔫

[@ToolsandTargets]

Spicy boys!

[@cgsimons1187]

That is a nice little revolver. Small enough to conceal, yet with the weight to tame the recoil a bit, and a barrel long enough to still push the bullet to a very effective velocity.

[@carlosmorris4510]

@@cgsimons1187 It is; high quality too... Any larger and it would be a little too bulky; any smaller and there would be a performance compromise. It's one of the best 'middling' concealed carry revolvers, imo. And as you've said, it's weight helps to mitigate recoil (especially with .357 Magnum).

[@Zkpe02]

I use both the magnum weights in my S&W 686+ & .38+P in the little Kimber 6s..

[@steveflo]

3” 357 is my next pistol. Thinking sp101 is the one I’ll go with.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good one.😎👍

[@Nickrioblanco1]

The Remington website claims a Muzzle Velocity of 1235 fps for its High Terminal Performance 357 caliber 158 grain ammunition. Thank you for a great video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Good stuff.😎👍

[@LuckyDog350X]

Love seeing the old 686 in action, it is in my top 5 favorite revolvers to shoot. I got the 2.5 version and have several boxes of the UMC 125 grain but don't have any of the 158 so will be on the lookout for some. I did just grab a few boxes of the Federal 158 grain JSP the other day for $24.99 a box of 50 I thought that was a pretty good deal. I like having an assortment of different weights in each caliber so you have options. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's a sweet revolver for sure. I haven't put many rounds through it so far just because I have too many to use.😆

[@TheBIGLebowski-jhp9]

I love these 125 gr SJHP In my Taurus 605 Defender, I run those or Hornady Critical defense

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hard to go wrong.😎👍

[@johncoleman2495]

.357 magnum is in my opinion the best readily available home/personal defense caliber ever! And that 125gr sjhp is my load of choice! I have used it for hunting as well and while it still performed admirably the 158 just penetrates better. But both are explosive and do tissue damage far beyond what gel can demonstrate. More damage than I've ever seen from a factory round handgun with possibly the exception of a couple of 240gr .44 magnum JHP loads.

[@JamesgnuoY1]

I am so excited to get my 3in barrel 686 plus out of layaway!!!!!

[@jamescalhoun4588]

3” sp101 here. I normally run 158 gr because my fixed sights are dead on with that weight and it expands with extra penetration.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Makes sense.😎👍

[@cgsimons1187]

That is a great carry revolver. Small enough to conceal and big enough to tame the recoil a bit and do the job.

[@Half-Fizzbin]

Thank you for the 3 inch .357 Magnum revolver test utilizing the heavy clothing layers. I use a Kimber K6s 3 inch .357 Magnum revolver for primary carry. I appreciate the Remington UMC 125 grain test, but I would especially like to see you test the 3 inch .357 Magnum revolver with Remington HTP in 125 grain through the multiple clothing layers. Thank you.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@Half-Fizzbin]

Scratch what I requested above regarding a test of HTP 125 grain .357 Magnum, the test is not necessary... Remington Ammunition senior customer service representative Sandra S. today confirmed via email to me that UMC 125 grain SJHP and HTP 125 grain SJHP are the same except for the regular brass case used with UMC vs nickel plated case for HTP. So unless one is having ejection/sticky cylinder issues with UMC, then one can save some money by purchasing UMC instead of the nickel plated HTP because it's the same round.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@Half-Fizzbin Figured as much.😎👍

[@Mrgunsngear]

Thanks

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@joey-zr8lt]

My 9mms have Buffalo bore 147gr +p hard cast and seismic 185gr Rounds..

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

The 9MM Buffalo bore 147gr +p hard cast has almost 1200 fps great round it has mass and speed

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@vernonwestfall1652]

I load the 125 grain at 1500 fps out of my 4 inch gp100 shoots great very accurate

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎💥

[@garrettschienschang4399]

Nice to see my ccw ammo and the ammo I was considering swapping to side by side even if your getting around 100fps faster. From this I’ll probably just use whichever I find available at the time. Great comparison and great vid.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I'd take either.😎👍

[@nellinecronje6911]

The 158 out of a rifle would be interesting too. I imagine the 125 will come apart then.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤠👍

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍 Good morning Sir…. The 125 and the 158s are my friends…great speeds🏁…let’s destroy that jelly contraption ..ooooh nasty…the 158 is definitely a deep diver…great results mate . The light skin game for the 125s. I hit a dirt pounder 🦘with a 125 at close range and I split him in half ( federal hp ). If I was going to drill some pork 🐗I’d be definitely use 158s… if I was walking I’d only take the 158s in the Marlin….Great video big fella🏁

[@ToolsandTargets]

A "dirt pounder"😂😂😂 Love it! Appreciate you, brother!

[@johnthomas9466]

Oh yeah and still a good video on the brand and round thanks.

[@garygates5679]

TOOL ..!!!! GREAT VIDEO ..!!!! REMINGTON ALWAYS WORKED GREAT FOR ME...!!!! WET PHONE BOOKS ...!!!!!! BACK IN THE DAT 70"S .. REMINGTON IS ALL I SHOT ...!!!!!

[@markgriffin9287]

Very good result from either. I have norma defense 158gr jhp loaded in my 357. It has the 6inch barrel so I figure that'll help make up for lost velocity with the higher weight.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely will be truckin out of the 6 inch.😎👍

[@jdmb03]

I like the 158gr. SJHP for EDC and woods carry.

[@trustnot9]

Great test, both of those rounds did very good. Thanks for the test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@trustnot9]

@@ToolsandTargets your welcome 👍👍👍