William Lane Craig - Is God Outside of Time?

[@teebagz1]

Craig has never said anything more compelling than any lazy Pastafarian. I don't understand why anyone interviews him.

[@tomdaniels6868]

Finally, a good, logical discussion. Unfortunately, using human logic to try to divine the mind and nature of God is fraught with danger.

[@DavidRavenMoon]

Human logic invented god. That’s the first mistake. We can’t understand the universe and insisting there’s a god is primitive thinking.

[@adamotte3450]

Same can be said about insisting there is no god can also be primitive thinking.​@@DavidRavenMoon

[@tomdaniels6868]

@@DavidRavenMoon i completely agree. The word God is at best a metaphor.

[@wet-read]

​@@tomdaniels6868 That is exactly how I think of it.

[@larschristianalm]

The mind and nature of God are socially constructed. This god isn’t a real being, but a human invention.

[@AnonAnon1]

This conversation seems to speculate about the motivations, thoughts, actions, constraints and possibilities of a God and presents the speculation as fact. Non of the speculation would hold up under scrutiny.

[@evaadam3635]

..it is your side that is guilty of making speculation as fact when you remove faith in GOD from schools in favor of preaching Darwin's IGUANA as your Original Mama as if you already know the absolute truth of our origin when you definitely do not know.... this is the worst form of CHILD ABUSE turning our children to grow up Godless, Bigots, Unaccountable, whose unbounded immoralities are now dragging this world down into the immoral abyss of no return.... ..projecting dirt is a favorite hobby of the evil forces... I understand...

[@panmichael5271]

To answer your question: I recently had a thrilling conversation with Zeus, and he confirmed that he resides within time. I trust this fully settles matters.

[@eximusic]

There is no possibility for intelligence outside of time. Once an intelligent being has a thought, there is the moment before, during, and after. That's time. Why do people throw terms around when they don't have any idea what they mean?

[@knightofwangernumb2998]

Your a assuming intelligence based on what you are familiar with. No human intelligence can exist without time. But God, we don't have the capacity to reason against the idea.

[@roqsteady5290]

@@knightofwangernumb2998you don’t have the capacity to reason at all, just special pleading.

[@James-v1o]

God could simply be in a state of perpetual knowing of all there is to know. So time would not be necessary for intelligence in this situation.

[@eximusic]

@@knightofwangernumb2998 I'm citing intelligence by it's only definition. Intelligence also mandatorily includes the ability to learn. No learning capability, no intelligence. No decision making (which requires time), no intelligence. There is no God intelligence that anyone has any experiential knowledge of. And if you want to go by human books like the bible, then the descriptions of God's intelligence in the Old Testament is exactly like human intelligence. Can't find Adam in the garden, regrets making man before the flood, fits of anger and jealousy. The bible gives you no warrant to assume some other type of intelligence never known to humans. Intelligence is the property of biological brains. There is no example of intelligence in the universe outside of that, that we've been given specific knowledge of. Saying God can do anything is the same as saying nothing. It's just an imaginary claim.

[@eximusic]

@@James-v1o You just typed a string of words that you don't understand, but sound good for your belief in a God. I could reply with God doesn't need knowing, God just is. Meaningless, just creating language that sounds like it is outside of time. What in the world would you know about being outside of time anyway. Give me one example of outside of time that's not just strings of words you made up. Or give me the physics explanation about outside of time. All "change" happens in time. No time, no possibility for change, or any action like creation. You have no clue what you're talking about.

[@danielp2937]

Robert has great guests on his channel, and then we have ... this??? Maybe it's time for a parallel "Further From Truth" series, and have the theologians on that.

[@evaadam3635]

... existence of GOD is actually closer to the truth than Unconscious Bigbang out of NOTHING magically creating your life and Consciousness, unless one's IQ is missing...

[@undercoveragent9889]

lol I literally just commented on the irony of associating WLC with any pursuit of truth.

[@haroldsartorius8163]

I think this was pulled from the archive as they both look much younger. Craig likes to say that humans have free will and then ends the conversation with, God is in control of everything. You can't have it both ways.

[@Sharky1101]

“God waited for an infinite long period of time” => 1. A statement like this seems to indicate that God has a constraint. If God is all powerful then he shouldn’t need to wait for time to pass. He just does things by “snapping his fingers”. 2. If God is all knowing and “he” knows how all our lives will play out until the infinite future then what’s the point of letting us go through so many hoops when all he could do is just snap his fingers?

[@oskarngo9138]

Never understood why A all powerful god would want us to worship him...?

[@mattynutrition9353]

I hear a lot of mental gymnastics here

[@sammyking9407]

@@mattynutrition9353 Folks who don’t understand a topic say this in order to camouflage their own ignorance.

[@WhiteGhostofSparta]

@@sammyking9407Sometimes yeah. But sometimes it’s because, like William in this video, the person or people in question are just using a lot of mental gymnastics.

[@sammyking9407]

@@WhiteGhostofSparta It’s not “mental gymnastics” Mental gymnastic is when uneducated folks try to explains something from a field they have never studied or done any type of research whatsoever. Sophisticated, technical language sounds like “mental gymnastics” to the basement trolls who think Hitchens is a scholars.

[@undercoveragent9889]

@@sammyking9407 No, people who realize that space and time are prerequisite to the existence of consciousness say this. Consciousness is like music in the sense that absent a 'space' in which the instruments can be arranged and a 'time' over which a performance can unfold, it is utterly meaningless. WLC is a two-bit charlatan.

[@mattynutrition9353]

@@sammyking9407 not the case here

[@dondattaford5593]

When he ask the question I immediately understand that there is no such thing as time the brain copies everything the universe is

[@amiralhijaz5850]

Bending backwards to accommodate God in and out of time, mental gymnastics

[@ArashZaghi]

This conversation touches on something so many of us wrestle with: looking for God as if God is something outside of us, something bound by time or decisions. God is the awareness in which every thought, feeling, and experience arises. Think about it-no one has ever experienced anything outside of awareness. Everything we know-time, space, even the idea of God-appears within this awareness. And this awareness? It’s timeless, unchanging, and boundless. It doesn’t move through time or make decisions. It simply is. When we see this, the idea of God creating or entering time isn’t something to be solved. It’s just a story appearing within awareness. God doesn’t change. God doesn’t become limited. Every experience is already held within this infinite, silent presence. This isn’t something to figure out. It’s something to notice. That quiet, still awareness you’re reading this from? That’s it. That’s God. And nothing exists outside of it.

[@gurugeorge]

That's Advaita Vedanta, which is intresting in its own right, but I'm not sure it has any relevance to the topic at hand. The understanding of God in Christianity derives from the classical philosophy (Aristotle, Plato, etc.) and it's much more focused on the logic of existence rather than the logic of experience.

[@MasoudJohnAzizi]

Yes, that is what Zoroaster (founder of Philosophy and Monotheism) also revealed... 💡

[@robertstan2349]

yes but how many angles can dance on the head of a pin?

[@WhiteGhostofSparta]

William never fails to present bad arguments and expose the irrationality of religious beliefs and why they do to one’s ability to think rationally and logically.

[@evaadam3635]

...how can anyone in his right mind see that staring at "Darwin's IGUANA as your Original Mama" is rational or logical ?... maybe only satan and his followers can see...

[@WhiteGhostofSparta]

@ It never fails to amaze me how those who criticise evolution almost alway reveal that they don’t really understand it on even a basic level.

[@evaadam3635]

​@@WhiteGhostofSparta...well, since science claimed that evolution is a natural INVOLUNTARY process, no goal, no intended direction, just random emergent or accident, then why I am FREE TO VOLUNTEER, free to have a Goal, free to have direction, etc ? Did I STOP EVOLVING by Involuntary Natural Process ? ..answer please,,, ..you must be a genius over your head if you can understand CLEAR INCOHERENCE as coherent... my oh my...

[@estebandemosandmusicconcep4407]

Applies to your understanding of theology too ​@@WhiteGhostofSparta

[@WhiteGhostofSparta]

@ Incorrect.

[@-messagefromthestars5471]

The question "Is God outside of time?" invites a profound reflection on the nature of existence and the relationship between time, consciousness, and the divine. To approach this inquiry, it is essential to dissolve the rigid boundaries between concepts and embrace the understanding that what we perceive as "time" is an illusion-a construct that allows physical beings to experience reality in a sequence. God, as the essence of infinite consciousness, exists beyond such constructs, not as a distant observer but as the very foundation of all that is. In the earthly realm, time appears linear, with moments flowing from past to present to future. This perception is a tool, enabling the human mind to navigate and make sense of its experiences. However, in the broader context of existence, time is not an absolute structure but a relative, malleable concept. Just as a river may seem to flow in one direction while its waters exist simultaneously in all states-vapor, liquid, and ice-so too does time unfold as a singular, eternal now. From this perspective, God is not constrained by the flow of time because God is the eternal present, encompassing all moments simultaneously. When you consider the nature of your consciousness, you may find echoes of this timelessness within yourself. Every experience, every choice, and every moment of awareness reflects a connection to something beyond the confines of linear time. This connection is not external but intrinsic-a manifestation of the divine within you. God, as the boundless source, does not operate "outside" of time in a spatial sense, as though peering in from a distance. Instead, God is the fabric of existence itself, within and through all dimensions, including time. To see God as outside of time is to misunderstand the nature of the divine as separate. Rather, God is the eternal beingness that creates, sustains, and experiences all realities simultaneously. In this sense, God is both the artist and the canvas, the beginning and the end, the timeless essence that holds all possibilities. When you look deeply, you may realize that this timelessness is reflected in your own existence. The eternal now is not an abstract idea but the truth of every breath you take, every thought you have, and every connection you feel. In contemplating whether God is outside of time, you are invited to shift your perspective from duality to unity. The question itself dissolves in the recognition that God is not "here" or "there," "inside" or "outside," but the totality of existence, embracing all. Just as your soul transcends the physical body, God transcends time-not as a separate entity, but as the infinite presence that makes all things possible. Time, in this light, is not a barrier but a beautiful lens through which the divine experiences itself. So, is God outside of time? The answer lies not in defining God's relationship to time but in understanding that God is the timeless essence that allows time to exist. Through this lens, you can see that you, too, are not bound by time. Your eternal nature is a reflection of the divine, ever-present in the infinite now. The question itself, then, becomes a doorway to a deeper understanding: the realization that God is not apart from anything, least of all you, for you are an inseparable expression of the timeless divine.

[@MRevelation12]

Gosh, just one last thing, Its time to come out of time and enter into the seasons of your life. You have to enter the narrow way leading to life few find. Jesus is not the way to come into the presence of God, God is wisdom. Jesus is the only way to come into the Fathers presence, and the Father is the light. The way made ready for you to go is how Christ in you the divine light of the Fathers light is raised up a son with the Lord holy united with his wisdom it is she who forms the new man within and it is the light who gives this new creation life through her. Is this too much information?

[@siqueirabarros]

So, God is not *IN* time. Therefore, he must either be *ON* time, or *ABOUT* time. 🙄

[@weijieliao4890]

Spouted like a matter of fact

[@MasoudJohnAzizi]

Those who suffer from the delusion of having free-will also suffer from the delusion of having time...

[@winstonoboogie2424]

Our scientific knowledge is limited and always changing. New theories are disproving old in all fields every day. So I don't think we're qualified to put any perimeters on god in any way.

[@evaadam3635]

Faith is not claiming to know but a belief for a good reason.... ..waiting for knowledge to define this parameters could be forever that would eventually send your soul in emptiness (hell) still waiting...

[@MagnusMarcellus]

@@evaadam3635😂😂😂😂 So in conclusion you would rather believe stuff even if it doesn’t have any evidence to support it… Got it.

[@roqsteady5290]

@@evaadam3635We are still waiting for the good reason 🙃

[@evaadam3635]

@@roqsteady5290...the existence of your "Awareness with FREEDOM to CHOOSE to BELIEVE" is not a natural property of physical matter being ENSLAVED by natural laws all the time, but an un-natural power... This is a good reason to believe that this power could only originate from a an AWARE SUPERNATURAL SOURCE or GOD... ..furthermore, the theory that you are a Conscious product of Unconscious Bigbang out of NOTHING that is now driving you to stare at Darwin's IGUANA as your Original Mama looking funny, says you may have a brain of an iguana. This is more than enough proof that the other choice that I pick says, I have no brain of an iguana.....My good senses is still intact...

[@evaadam3635]

@@MagnusMarcellus Faith is not a claim of knowledge of fact but a belief for lack of knowledge of truth but for a good reason... There is a difference between a claim of knowing fact that requires proof and just a belief for a good reason where proof is not required.... You need to learn the difference... you must be a graduate from a Godless Darwin Schools to laugh at your ignorance...

[@THUGGO773]

Baseless assertions with 0 evidence

[@JohnBarr-r5b]

If God is immutable, how can he change from being outside time to being within time?

[@evaadam3635]

...there is no need to get in or out because Time does not exist...

[@ericmoyer8538]

I don’t know what makes me more uncomfortable. Eternal existence or eternal non-existence. Hoping for a hibernation mode.

[@Roshan-q6n]

Both options can be scary. Satisfaction with either outcome is the goal.

[@peweegangloku6428]

Waiting, waited are expressions of time. They take on no meaning when discussing eternity. When speaking of eternity, time as we know it, disappears. On the time-line of eternity, every independent reference point is a point of origin thus becoming a zero point. Time only makes sense when you have two or more reference points. You can then create a unit of duration by means of which you do your measurement between the reference points. As to the accuracy and dependability of our time units, that's another subject to consider. Now talking about the eternal existence of God and why he "waited" for all past eternity to have created us "just now," we first have to understand the concept of eternity. Eternal existence can be simply called "Ever Present." To understand the state of "Ever Present," imagine yourself, everyone and everything in existence today to have eternally existed. There is no origin. Nothing popping up and nothing going out of existence. Everything is permanently existing. In such a world, the strangest and most puzzling thing will be when that which had not been in existence comes into existence. The question will not be, "why this did not happen sooner?" Rather the question will be, "how possible is this?" In the same way the question is not "why God waited so long?" But rather "how God created the universe?" "How possible is it?"

[@evaadam3635]

In the beginning is the "WORD" which does not mean man's vocal chords but means the vibration of spirits from a tiny portion of God's Spiritual World that had FUSED to form this Physical World. In other words, it is NOT explosion, infation, nor bigbang that formed the Universe but FUSION of spirits unreachable by human's limited senses..

[@johnmalik7284]

There is no time to say anything about anything. Time is free willed, by self aware beings.

[@DavidRavenMoon]

We don’t have free will. Everything is deterministic.

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"There is no time to say anything about anything."* ... You had plenty of time to post your comment, didn't you? *"Time is free willed, by self aware beings."* ... Time is a unit of measure. Time is not sentient; it doesn't demonstrate free will, nor is it self-aware.

[@johnmalik7284]

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC The posting of a comment is a movement of time. They are not two separate things. Making a comment is a movement of time, movement of will.

[@LuuLuong-bn8iy]

​@@johnmalik7284 U + U = W + ill > U2 illusion 😅😂😂😂😂

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"The posting of a comment is a movement of time."* ... The posting of a comment is a posting of a comment - nothing more. "Time" is a basic unit of measure that says how long it took to post your comment. *"They are not two separate things."* ... "Time" is a unit of measure, and what it measures is "change." A unit of measure and whatever is being are *two separate things.* *Example:* If I walk one mile, then "distance" is the unit of measure that determines that I have walked one mile. Are you suggesting that "me" and "one mile" are the same thing? *"Making a comment is a movement of time, movement of will."* ... Your "free will" was for you to post your own comment, and that's exactly what you did. "Time" did not express your will for you; ... you did! . Time is the "unit of measure" and nothing more. All it did was chronicle how long it took for you to exercise your free will.

[@Jacobk-g7r]

0:49 the beginning is the same as the end, you share with and don’t dictate so god isn’t a singular dictating or outside space and time. Time is difference so the beginning is also the end. If a difference expands and the relative becomes then it is continuously different but relative so free. God is not outside but free, infinity is free and relative. No dictator because we have freedom, no creator because the foundations are shared, meaning that when we “create” we are discovering not creating, founding fathers of America, not creators. Sharing freedom and respect. If freedom wasn’t shared then god would dictate itself but that is reflection so is our consciousness god? Nope, the reflection of, not the but a reflection, a personal one. If you dictate your god when saying it’s infinite then why is it bound? It just doesn’t make any sense at all and the justifications are misguided. It didn’t even take long for this place to become, from the infinites perspective, we are the farthest from it. Nature is the reflection and our thinking is clouding our listening capabilities. Imagine hearing a word and just seeing the word or reacting with no real deeper thoughts. My thoughts don’t have the answers, they share with the question to find the answer with the relative. So i listen to the measurements of experience and reflect, not dictate but understand how and why and not deny. Sorry if i sound crazy but it’s hard to explain when people only see assumptions of meaning in words instead of respecting the fluidity and understanding by listening and not just assumptions. 1:03 you say god is timeless so wouldn’t it be something that shares with all and that’s why we could find the many differences of it, because it is the infinite differences because it shares. Like how math is found in the relationship, infinity is found through connection and sharing/listening. When we listen, we open up to the difference and accept.

[@professional6014]

The unchanging does not change. The mutable is always changing. Once it ceases to change, it cannot continue. This means that if God is the creator of the world, then He has always been changing. A God without the world is like Adam without his Eve. Such a thing is impossible to imagine. The notion that God created the world is nonsense. God has always known the importance of the world. This means that God did not create the world, but was with it eternally and created within it, and our universe is only a part of the world. Because there cannot be a date sufficiently distant from today for which it would be impossible to question why God did not create the world earlier. Therefore, there is no such date suitable for the creation of the world.

[@wthomas5697]

Jeezus, what a load of b.s..

[@davidblack1353]

How so?

[@wthomas5697]

@@davidblack1353 Arguing over a ridiculous concept concocted by humans like "god".

[@davidblack1353]

@ I can see why the idea of ‘God’ might seem ridiculous - but can you suggest a cause to all of time and space that is less ridiculous?

[@wthomas5697]

@@davidblack1353 The fact that we have no idea what caused what we experience here in this reality going back to infinity doesn't make inventing a god to explain it all any less ridiculous. Where the hell did this "god" supposedly come from? Why is it even necessary to insert such a ridiculous concept into the question anyway? Are people really that stupid as to be unable to see what they are up to?

[@davidblack1353]

@ yes I agree - ‘inventing a god’ is no less ridiculous then what we experience here going back infinitely… in fact, id argue that a universe filled with clumps of matter just hanging around eternally without a cause is even more ridiculous… your question ‘where the hell does this god supposedly come from’ applies just as much to the universe But, that the universe - all of time and space - began 13.7 billion yrs ago is one of the most well evidenced theories in all of science… and things don’t tend just pop into existence out of nothing… 🤔

[@SandipChitale]

how does he know?

[@sujok-acupuncture9246]

So much discussion about God when we don't know anything about him.

[@mrshankerbillletmein491]

Jesus Christ says otherwise

[@emare7851]

@@mrshankerbillletmein491all The Holy Prophets say so

[@bforbankai2916]

@@mrshankerbillletmein491Jesus Christ lost to Bronze Age technology. He wasn’t a god, nor an agent of a god. If god is outside the universe, how is it possible to communicate with it?

[@sammyking9407]

“So much discussion about God when I don’t understand any of it” There, fixed it for ya.

[@ronhudson3730]

@@bforbankai2916Linear thinking will get you nowhere. Expand the possibilities to include everything. That’s where you’ll find God.

[@kasumiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin]

William Lane Craig was a great guest, and I'm glad Robert and him hooked up again on Zoom.

[@WayneLynch69]

Richard Dawkins has a God killer silver-bullet which he says no one has ever been able to refute: "infinite regress" I've never seen him cite his imperative for it, and genuinely do not think he knows. But it is of course the 1st Law of Thermodynamics: "heat cannot originate de novo...ergo, only regresses are possible". Then follows Dawkins' adamancy that God itself must have a creator. "Heavy man" Problem being, Dawkins used the term "supernatural" 14 times by page 20 of "The God Delusion"; he insists the ONLY God to which he will refer going forward are supernatural gods. BUUTTT... "Thermodynamics" is the MOST proven of all natural law(Einstein). WTF?! Dawkins' own "supernatural" gods are BY FN DEFINITON, NOT CONSTRAINED by natural law. THAT'S WTF "supernatural" means!!! "The Dawkins Dementia" kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKjVi2Oifa2fjLM

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

World War Should be between Experiment Vs Experience

[@williamflynn4954]

I'm thinking that God made the universe with a predetermined expiration date. Kind of a "Best used by..." date printed on a block of cheddar cheese.

[@supernaturalabilities]

God is not constrained by time, not beyond time-a concept that is meaningless. Creation is a cyclical process with neither a beginning nor an end. Time itself is multidimensional, encompassing both sequential and non-sequential aspects.

[@RuneRelic]

I can picture God with a finger hovering over the delete button. Then pondering... 'Hhhhhmmm.....did I actually make a mistake ?'

[@LuuLuong-bn8iy]

😅😂😂😂😂😂

[@stinkertoy4310]

… or tripping over the adaptor cable and rebooting…

[@Surefire99]

He admitted as much in the Bible

[@ItsEverythingElse]

@@Surefire99No, he regrets certain things, not the whole enchilada.

[@tomdi-grazia5243]

IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THINGS BEING "INSIDE" OR "OUTSIDE" OF TIME, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF FIRST THEY WOULD EXPLAIN WHAT IS "TIME'. BECAUSE, TODAY - 6th OF JANUARY 2025 - THERE IS NO PROFESSOR OF PHYSICS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO KNOWS & UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS "TIME". WHEN ALBERT EINSTEIN WAS ASKED, "WHAT IS TIME ?", HE REPLIED THAT HE DIN'T KNOW & HE THOUGHT IT DIDN'T EXIST & THAT IT WAS PROBABLY AN ILLUSION; MOST EXTRAORDINARY IRONY THAT I KNOW OF, GIVEN THAT HE SPENT 20 YEARS TO COME-UP WITH HIS THEORIES OF RELATIVITY, BOTH SPECIAL & GENERAL. ALSO, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT "GOD", ALWAYS REFERRING TO IT AS "HE" -- NEVER AS "SHE" OR "IT" -- WHAT ARE THEY REALLY TALKING ABOUT ? ? ? ! ! !

[@siqueirabarros]

@@tomdi-grazia5243 Splendid!

[@ifstatementifstatement2704]

God is all powerful. He can do the illogically impossible except he won't because it is not in His nature to do so. He will never choose to do so. But then again given that He is everything and makes all possibilities possible, then he can make the illogically impossible impossible. Basically the only things that are ever possible are only what is in accordance with His nature. So because of who God is, the illogically impossible is impossible.

[@undercoveragent9889]

Who made you the boss of God? And are you saying that without God, illogical impossibilities would be possible? I realize that 'thinking' is probably not your first language but you do seem very fluent in total cr4p.

[@RuneRelic]

Its almost like someone being stuck in a dream, then realising they could wake up, while allowing others to share the experience of that wakeful state. I guess that would have something to do with 'physical' reality.....plasma > gas > liquid > solid. A realm of existance without/before solid matter, is not one most could conceive of, nor have any bearing on what we experience now. Physics would have issues for starters 😁😉

[@kamw8860]

Yes, because time does not exist outside of our conceptual understanding, much like space. Time is the result of the flow of energy. Time is not a cause of anything. It is just a byproduct or effect of energy's movement. God is the cause and the source of energy: God > energy > time.

[@doclime4792]

My time > God > Energy > Time

[@undercoveragent9889]

Did God's desire for 'light' precede the creation of light? No time; no God. And I can tell you that 'time' does not exist.

[@guidance_seeker_55]

This is "Almost" trure, taking into consideration that they were talking about the unseen..

[@DouglasVoigt-tu3xb]

Time travel…temporal travel…is possible…in so if God chooses. This is my belief. I have nothing to back this up. Only a feeling.

[@evaadam3635]

...feelings don't think...

[@shassett79]

I can travel through time at an astonishing rate of one second per second.

[@evaadam3635]

@shassett79 ..your imagination can travel without the non-existent time..

[@roofuscat2]

"Time must have had a beginning".... Really? and when did that happen? OOPS we need time for that!!!!!!!!! Duh!

[@Jinxed007]

As if we even have the slightest grasp of what time actually is.

[@evaadam3635]

Time does not exist.... Time is just a man-made convenient tool to measure the illusion of duration caused by the motion or changes of matter being stored in the memory...

[@sanjeevjain5519]

God as a creator existed before time. God, as a sustainer, incarnates through some lucky human. This concept is reflected in Jain and Hindu religions. In being a sustainer, He has to be in time as well.

[@MrSanford65]

In the absence of a God in an argument, -it is still worth contemplating that if time itself is eternal then how could have anything been created ; because the past future and present would all be on an equal platform of eternity so there would be no forming temporal disparity to accumulate anything for creation. Perhaps nothing has been created and It is just our perception that sees things differently.

[@arsalanadil14912]

The creation according to Islam is not a unique act in a given time but a perpetual and constant event; and God supports and sustains all existence at every moment by His will and His thought. Outside His will, outside His thought, all is nothing, even the things which seem to us absolutely self-evident such as space and time. Allah alone wishes: the Universe exists; and all manifestations are as a witness of the Divine will.

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

God is happening and science is study mode so God is in action anytime

[@soldieroftruth77]

Always a lot of strong negative reactions about the topic of God in these comments. Why do these people even watch this channel? If you’re so confident God doesn’t exist why even waste your time?

[@Roshan-q6n]

Some Hindus might say that you are God. So then prove that you don't exist.

[@olh_hlo]

So, God, as time, is a mechanic of our Universe. Any God 'assigned' to any other Universe is separate, and adjoined to it's own Universe? Sounds imaginary.

[@nh54guesthouse]

Rather than try to find GOD and then know, realise & understand God with love they challenge themselves with questions like little egoistic gods... destined for the grave with their diabolical nonsensical mindful trashy questions.. !! RIP🎉

[@shassett79]

No. You can't be a causal agent "outside of time." God couldn't create anything- time included- from outside of time. Saying that god is outside of space and time is the same as saying that god exists nowhere at no time. This is just theists outsmarting themselves.

[@MistaSCARY]

Yes.

[@SandipChitale]

I see a word salad restaurant brand, C&C ... Craig and Chopra

[@MS-od7je]

Are you ready, Kuhn? God says you are not but requires my asking. Are you going to drive the nails or pick up the cross? Of course I ask because you know that the image in which you are made is mathematically precise. It has a beginning and an ending and is both infinite and finite. You do understand simultaneously infinite and finite? In and out simultaneously? A rhythm becomes a tone ? Or is the rhythm always the tone? Time timing cobweb plots. Times a wasting. ps: This is the end of correspondence via this mode. I have always liked you. But that is of no consequence.

[@QuantumGravityResearch1]

I AM Balungi Francis (Author) I WAS HERE 7Jan25

[@RB-ze6yr]

Sadly, William Lane Craig doesn’t comprehend Yahweh’s grace which causes an individual to freely respond and bend-the-knee to Yahweh’s will. Similarly, many of his theological arguments flatly contradict Scripture 💔 Faithful Creator Is Yahweh-Maker of All Is He!

[@kimsahl8555]

Define time and avoid nonsense.

[@evaadam3635]

Time does not exist.... Time is just a man-made convenient tool to measure the illusion of duration caused by the motion or changes of matter being stored in the memory....

[@kimsahl8555]

@@evaadam3635 Time has no existence = x: Now we have a nonsense equation x = L/v (x = distance/velocity).

[@evaadam3635]

@@kimsahl8555 distance and velocity refers to the changes of matter from one position to another in a series of changes which is NOT NOTHING...... maybe a dose of ginkobilova is needed to sharpen your perception hopefully..

[@LiteRaRally-vd5tf]

Robert

[@aboriginesdream]

Language in search of meaning ie he’s not outside time he’s beyond time . Wittgenstein is spinning in his grave

[@larschristianalm]

Non-existence is outside of time, so yes, God is outside of time, and God is non-existant. Humans invented him in the face of ignorance. Superman is also outside of time. There can be no existence without time. In the mythology of the Bible God is operating as a supernatural physician human being within a fictional space and time.

[@Roshan-q6n]

Conceptualising reality won't take you there.

[@livinghacks]

Genesis 1:1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. From this passage, we learn God created space and matter and "the beginning" of time. Let's say God is a higher dimensional being, and He created several new dimensions called space-time. He could choose to observe this universe like a snow globe. However, He chose to enter our space-time and dwell with us.

[@evaadam3635]

Neither time nor space exists.... To create means God can make or produce existence, and not making non-existence nor producing nothingness... Nothingness is the default of existence...

[@micheal74rich]

@livinghacks First three lines of Genesis allege 'god' created light after creating Earth. Please read the verse in order. The Earth and Moon came into existence before the sun is dumm. The Earth or Moon cannot come into existence before the sun came into existence that makes logical sense. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

[@evaadam3635]

@@micheal74rich Genesis was written by men who invented time to measure the illusion of duration caused by changes of matter from one point to another... The word "beginning" does not really mean that time drives the creation but actually is just a description of the start of change in a series of changes from earth to sun to man etc that God caused to happen in the creation process....

[@livinghacks]

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. I guess the greater light and lesser light referred to the Sun and the Moon on the 4th day. So the first creation in Genesis 1:1 should be the big bang in the cosmological sense. Since "he made the stars", so it should be after the Dark Ages of the universe. Before that there was no light-emitting objects in the universe. It seems like a plausible physical implication from these passages. Before big bang, it is undefined in term of this universe like one divided by zero. I can take "undefined" as nothingness, and nothingness is the default existence. Ecclesiastes 1:2 ... all is vanity. Just a penny worth of nothingness.

[@ifstatementifstatement2704]

Sooner is irrelevant in the context of infinite time.

[@bobcabot]

time is an illusion: therefore...

[@bojannikolic4474]

No he did not. You can go add infinitum like that. Now, we will have God of Bozon, I mean super heavy CHAMP, and so on.

[@sobrietytelevision]

Yes. That’s what the quantum dimension is.

[@CesarClouds]

Dr. Craig has said the self-authenticating witness of the Holy Spirit guarantees he's right. He's infallible. Ok.

[@Maxwell-mv9rx]

Figure out before born? Figure out after death? Brains doesnt figuret out about that so far.He shows about God existente in timeless and after it nothing. It is tautology proposition means nothing. Without experiences about timeless is rambling rethoric.

[@thomasdequincey5811]

I think God is irrelevant. People will act the same whether, or whether not, he exists. Discussing theology is interesting. Discussing God is boring.

[@evaadam3635]

Loving and caring God's children by faithfuls is definitely NOT the same as raping and trafficking God's children by Godless Immorals...

[@larschristianalm]

God is a synonym for ignorance

[@LW-zb8bf]

Such bs lmao

[@lalitchavan2094]

When someone repe a innocent girl,that time where he is? How to dare he ask me questions on judgement day

[@supernaturalabilities]

To truly understand the nature of reality and unravel the universe’s mysteries, one must first explore the nature of supernatural abilities, particularly teleportation of objects. This perspective offers insights that conventional science fails to provide.

[@LucianTSkeptic]

Yes, particularly teleportation. And ectoplasm. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

God is mystery becoz somethings wrong with universe

[@daniestrijdom8248]

WLC is in the wrong field, sorry man. You might have a good heart but I don't think he does a great job as a Christian Apologist.

[@timmyj2366]

We’ll never know with certainty God’s relationship to time. It will always be a mystery until we meet Him. Then we’ll know.

[@MarkVincent-v4i]

However, we can be logically certain.

[@timmyj2366]

@ Sound logic needs objective facts. What happens behind the veil of spirituality is often devoid of those.

[@ChrisC-ei2kc]

Muddy them waters.

[@evaadam3635]

Free Will being created, according to Craig, is an OXIMORON muddying religious waters. I agree...

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

God is not argument he is a statement

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

Why should science believe in god ? 1) Energy 2) Action

[@MS-od7je]

1-6-2025 P3

[@davidoran123]

All mythology.

[@MikeJongwe56]

Life is to live and God is to fulfill live 💗

[@stevenl378]

God isn't real

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

God will come

[@LuuLuong-bn8iy]

😅😂😂😂😂😂

[@rad608]

Well, he kinda has to be to make it work right? LOL

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

God is experience and not experiment as science is very orderly

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

Science is most complex entity that very much exists only by study mode

[@dukeallen432]

He’s a cliche. Bill.

[@jonathonmeyers9581]

"Time is an illusion-lunchtime doubly so." Ford Prefect

[@LuuLuong-bn8iy]

Ford motor or focus 😅😅😅 Kia soul 😅😂😂😂😂😂

[@dougsmith6793]

A lot of Craig's arguments are smoke and mirrors. If he can propose something, however imaginative, that you haven't thought about first -- and so are not prepared to address articulately -- then Craig "wins" the argument by creating the illusion that he's thought about this stuff more than you have, appearing as the better-educated, more knowledgeable, better-prepared debater. If there's any "illusion" in time, it's in attribution, not necessarily the experience itself. So time itself may or may not be an illusion, but Craig's arguments certainly are.

[@thomabow8949]

This is the great, vast field of theology - irrelevant to the skeptic or non-religious individual, beyond of course countering a specific line of argumentation, if the validity of the answer to the question "does the God this theology is rooted in exist?" is of poor clarity

[@Bassotronics]

In other words, God was bored and just wanted to create some random universe.

[@evaadam3635]

God is never bored but just found the idea of a free family more joyous than being All Alone... ... and it can not be random if it is created...

[@Bassotronics]

@evaadam3635 But 90% of that family nowadays are crackheads. 😂

[@evaadam3635]

​@@Bassotronics2/3rd of God's children are in Heaven having loving interactions with God as one family.... 1/3rd are divided dwelling in hell and on earth.... ..and not all crackheads are non-believers... those non-believers still have a chance to be saved through faith while their temporary chance of salvation is not over yet...

[@thomabow8949]

@@evaadam3635 He's still alone. Nothing he has done now changes his nature or his perceptions - it is impossible

[@evaadam3635]

@@thomabow8949 ...2/3rd of all God's children are in Heaven sharing love as one family...so, God is not alone... though you can be all alone if you choose to live a life without God's grace out there in a cold dark emptiness (hell) - an absence of God's grace that you chose to reject...

[@woofie8647]

Time is a conceptual abstraction.

[@Warpug1]

Jesus Christ creates an interesting problem for my fellow Christians who believe God is outside time. He entered the world in time. Believers in the trinity and the timeless means that the whole would then exist in time.

[@arkdark5554]

"Outside of time?" What the hell does that even mean? You yourself have no idea, haven’t you? But…in order of defining, or saving your imaginary god…you’ve got to event some utter stupidity, in order to carry on. Right?

[@MohitSoodBookeeper]

Action is activated by energy

[@YogAroodha]

When will these apologetics become humble and not-so-stupid? God has been limited to time by these people and with that so many other limitations are imposed by Dr. Craig. Of course, these people already know more about God than anybody else in the world, so that arrogance to pronounce the God's characteristics with "I think so..." and with certainty keeps popping up.

[@saturdaysequalsyouth]

If religion can laugh at science for not having all the answers then science can laugh at religion for having all these ridiculous stories that couldn’t possibly be verified.

[@evaadam3635]

..it is not ridiculous to have a rational belief that our Awareness could only originate from an Aware SOURCE or God.... rather than believing that you are a Conscious product of Unconscious Bigbang out of NOTHING - a funny theory that falls off from parameters of sanity...

[@saturdaysequalsyouth]

@ It’s not about believing my consciousness came from nothing, it’s about not putting much value in any claims where there is no plausible evidence to support it. This covers God, the tooth fairy, UFOs, anything supernatural and so on.

[@evaadam3635]

​@@saturdaysequalsyouth...why would you require evidence for a rational belief, unless you do not understand the difference between knowledge of fact and belief for lack of knowledge of fact but for a good reason ? ...and what other option you have if you reject belief in an AWARE SOURCE other than Unconscious Bigbang out of NOTHING creating your Consciousness ? If you believe that Consciousness came first, then that is no different than believing in an AWARE SOURCE labelled as GOD in many different names by many different cultures but all are the same faith.....

[@thomabow8949]

@@evaadam3635 Eva, let me detail something to you - there is nothing in the modern scientific, or more broadly, empirical domain of cosmology that indicates there was a beginning of *existence*. There is nothing to rationally conjecture "There was nothing, and then there was something". What you are referencing, ironically, is something called "creation ex-nihilo," or creation from nothing. You are not citing something supported by naturalistic perspectives. It is actually a rather uniquely religious one! Please do some research and become scientifically literate before you levy these arguments, it is not a respectable look as a defender of your faith, regardless of how emotionally distraught or incredulous you are at contradicting world views.

[@evaadam3635]

"Is God Outside of Time?" Time does not exist.... so, how can God be outside something that does not exist ? Time is just a man-made tool to measure the illusion of duration caused by the perception of motion or changes of matter being stored in the memory.. What you can say, however, is that God is independent from all His creations such as this Physical Universe....

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

(2:15) *WLC: **_"God is eternal in the sense of having neither beginning nor end"_* ... It is *conceivable* for something to continue to exist indefinitely, but it is *inconceivable* for something to not have a beginning or origin point. Any proposition that includes *no origin point* (no beginning) is flawed from the start (no pun intended) for violating the "2nd Law of Existence." ......... _Everything has an origin point!_

[@S3RAVA3LM]

Have your opinion, but you didn't address anything here other than reveal your own relative ideology. The grave error in your thesis is the indirect acknowledgment of ad infinitum. The Platonists, who were godly men, absolutely demolish such postulates, those without substance as yours here. You are saying that time is principle, and although you deny an unbegotten Primordial Cause, that is transcendent to time(which isn't even real nor a thing) you here are saying that there still is something never ending and yet is also inconceivable. How does one grasp this infinitum regress that is your contradiction, and WHERE IS THE SUBSTANCE? You have no authority.

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"you here are saying that there still is something never ending and yet is also inconceivable."* ... No. You failed to comprehend what I wrote. "Infinite existence" (never ending) is absolutely conceivable. "Infinite origin" (no beginning) is what is inconceivable. *FACT:* Everything we observe has an origin point. *"and although you deny an unbegotten Primordial Cause"* ... I only support a "first move" scenario as clearly stated in my book. I do not support a "first cause" nor an "infinite origin." *"WHERE IS THE SUBSTANCE? "* ... (see above).

[@S3RAVA3LM]

​@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC "you failed to comprehend what I wrote". I don't think so, pal. "I only support a first move scenario as clearly stated in my book" Check mate. Remember your reply yestarday to simon regarding Rupert's position indicating did you that Rupert's core ideology effects his interpretation of science in a negative way.. here you are all proud of your big grown up book that you compiled and it too clearly has bewitched you. Now everything you study and research has to fit your book - as if you are the zenith author of THEM ALL. Believes in a first move.... the Platonists demolish you, buddy. It's not funny. You guys like simon too must think you're so smart. That's a sin.

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

*"I don't think so, pal. "* ... Here you are presenting your very best counterargument. *"Check mate."* ... According to whom? *"Remember your reply yestarday to simon regarding Rupert's position indicating did you that Rupert's core ideology effects his interpretation of science in a negative way."* ... I don't recall claiming his position affects his interpretation of science in a negative way. Don't know where you came up with that? I DO remember stating that one's core ideology affects whatever subsequent ideologies are all allowed to be accepted. Perhaps it was yet another comment that you failed to read or understand? *"here you are all proud of your big grown up book that you compiled and it too clearly has bewitched you."* ... In what way am I bewitched? *"Now everything you study and research has to fit your book - as if you are the zenith author of THEM ALL."* ... My book is an *open-source proposition* based on consensus. It's not like The Bible (that grownup book that you believe in) where whoever adds anything to it is doomed to suffer hell's fire for all eternity. People are free to reinterpret and clarify my proposition over time via consensus. You wouldn't know anything about that because you have no idea what my book is about. *"Believes in a first move.... the Platonists demolish you, buddy. It's not funny. You guys like simon too must think you're so smart. That's a sin."* ... What is it that the Platonists are supposedly demolishing? Describe this "first move" scenario that I've posited so that we can all see how the Platonists demolish it. ... Will you do that for me, please?

[@YWUBHYD]

Makes perfect sense to me.