CLOUD, TIFA, & AERITH - (My thoughts & WHO HE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE WITH)

[@jazzy_okami]

Upon a recent interview, FF7 story writer Kazushige Nojima has stated “No Promises to Keep” was written for everyone Aerith cares about 😢 MY HEART. What an Angel. ALSO Everyone and their moms will fight with their own points till it’s 100% confirmed. The chemistry you see or DON’T see is just an opinion. Which is why I had to poke fun a little bit.

[@alemonkiki]

I think OG FF7 Is MOS def Cloud x Tifa. With the new timeline... Maybe just maybe... If it is a combinable "reunited" timeline... It should be Our rebirth cloud with the other aerith who survived and shares consciousness across multiverses

[@jazzy_okami]

@@alemonkiki who knows what’ll happen! I just know I need it now 😭

[@Wyse_thoughts]

The whole nature of both OG and now the remake trilogy is you can literally ship cloud with who you want to ship him with. And with the branching timeline theory all the gold saucer dates are canon.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@Wyse_thoughts you’re right on the first part! As for the 2nd part it’s possible , although now my brain has shifted believing the theory of there not really being “timelines” as we think

[@benmcclenaghan4117]

​@@alemonkikiThis is an o g porno furniture seven

[@StevenWilliams-q6s]

I'm been cloti and I love aerith as character

[@jazzy_okami]

Das me too!! I love everyone in the party 😭😭

[@StevenWilliams-q6s]

@@jazzy_okami well I love all party too been cloti send I play of ff7

[@StevenWilliams-q6s]

U are cool cloti lady u did really nice video

[@nicoramirez3728]

I been CloTi since the OG and I was kid, that said I also believe the loves in our lives can have significant values. Of course not always the case, but I also think Cloud loved them both and needed them in his life when they were there. But the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE Tifa has for him no matter how messed up he is is why I'm CloTI. I do 100% think Cloud needs to work out those problems first. As for Barrett...he's gotta be with Rhonda, the mayor of Junon. Would that be team Brhonda? Barrett, Marlene, Rhonda, and Salmon.

[@jazzy_okami]

I agree with everything…. All of it ESPECIALLY Barrett and RHONDA that’s the first thing I thought of when they first interacted lol

[@tanagreeknose7376]

Everyone knows that I'm of the view that he loves Tifa romantically, but that he cared for Aerith a great deal. Ultimately if they wanted to give a clear description of Cloud's feelings towards Aerith (especially after the lifestream sequence) to put them on equal romantic ground to Tifa's I think they would have, but it's always just been "friend" this, "friend" that in all of the Advent Children promotional material that came out. It's technically a spoiler for Rebirth if you think about it. The devs still wanted you to spend date time with your favorite yet the only one Cloud kisses is Tifa. If he also kissed Aerith I would have been shook, but.. damn. Well-made video though and peep the Wonder Girls reference at the end! Haha

[@jazzy_okami]

I was HOPING someone would know about the Wonder Girls!!! Hahah amazing. 😭 And I’m def apart of that “everyone” of course 😂😂😂 and that’s a good point. ik people will argue the GS date scenes are all optional therefore not completely canon save for Aerith’s since it happened in the OG which is fair. But what’s also something to note is that they didn’t NEED to put in that kiss scene, but decided to anyway. And then it almost happens again in Gongaga with Aerith and Tifa exchanging looks before Tifa glances at Cloud one last time before walking away.

[@Mukation]

@@jazzy_okami Not only Aerith and Tifa exchanging looks, she litterally has a big smile on her face as she and Tifa make eye contact. And Aerith teases Cloud in Nibelheim about how he must have vyed for Tifas attention as a kid when they sit on the water tower together. And the most important one: In Kalm at the start.... why did she invite him to climb the tower? What does she do the moment he's up there and lets his guard down? She brings up what he did to Tifa the night before, scolds and reminds him not to take her for granted. It's so obvious, especially upon replay that this was her intention for getting him alone there. So like, while Aerith obviously has an interest in Cloud she never once stands in the way of anyone, especially not Tifa. She seems to quite litterally be a Cloti :P I wouldn't call myself a "Cloti" but, like... why is Zack on the litteral cover of the game along side Cloud? Why is he even in the game, the guy who's only desire is to see Aerith again? And the promotional art has Sephiroth in the middle with Cloud on the left and Zack on the right..... then there is one with Tifa on the left and Aerith on the right. Cloud and Aerith has two love interests in the story, while Tifa and Zack only have one love interest each.... And Aerith confirms 2/3 into the game that she still has feelings for Zack, in the same chapter that Cloud and Tifa almost kiss.... and then Cloud and Tifa do kiss on their date, while Aerith confesses that Cloud reminds her ALOT of Zack on their date. Like flip a coin and guess what couple pairings pt 3 is going to end with....... :P

[@jazzy_okami]

@@Mukation yep yep, facts. I wish I had brought that Clock Tower scene up. I caught the cover art parallels too!!! Hahaha I’m like “well if THAT isn’t intentional..”

[@Mukation]

@@jazzy_okami They did the same during a panel interview with the developers a few weeks ago, pictures of Cloud and Tifa on one side and Zack and Aerith on the other. :D

[@jazzy_okami]

@@Mukation ohh I must see this!

[@philypichu]

YESSS AERITH AND TIFA ARE MORE THAN SHIPPING WARS. Both are incredible well written characters and I love them both. I’d play a spinoff of just the girls doing a girls trip. Costa Del Sol was not enough 😭💕💕💕

[@jazzy_okami]

Costa del Sol and the cruise were SO much fun 😭😭 I know chances are like 0 but I’d love a YRP X-2 moment but with ATY hahhaha

[@StygianStilettosGamer]

Enjoyed the video

[@jazzy_okami]

Glad you enjoyed ❤️ thanks for tuning in!

[@Mukation]

The romance is really the least interesting aspect of the trios dynamic, especially in the remake trilogy, were Tifa and Aeriths friendship is explored aswell. In the OG game, pre all the expanded media it was obviously up to the player entirely since the Highwind scene has two versions (one were he recipocates Tifas feelings and one were he doesn't). We don't even get to know if Cloud and Tifa survive meteor, just the hint that the gang on the Highwind did, due to the flashforward post credits with Red. But post the expanded media, it's evident that Tifa is the path the devs chose, even while still sprinkling in some grey here and there so that the players who favoured Aerith in their playthrough could keep their head canon alive. For example, while Cloud and Tifa live together, they apparantly don't share a bed and Denzel is adopted and Cloud says he thinks Aerith put them on the path to meeting (On paper if they wanted to give a decicive answer, having Denzel be Tifas and Clouds biological child would do that). As for the bed, Clotis can assume he does sleep next to Tifa, but uses the bed in his office for whenever he comes home late, as he's runs a delivery firm and might get late night deliverys every now and then and as the good "husband" he doesn't want to risk waking her up. Regardless of wheather you think he would have chosen to pursue Aerith had she lived, you have to acknowledge that he wouldn't live with a woman he has known all his life, a woman he knows loves him romantically and even bring a kid home for them to raise together, if he didn't love her romantically too. Cloud is simply not that cruel. Oh, loved the video! You have such a relaxing and soothing voice aswell :)

[@jazzy_okami]

Why thank you, it’s nice that you think so :,) I appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts! And I can’t argue with any of it haha. I do strongly agree with your beginning statement. I’m here for the meat and potatoes, regardless of who I quietly ship (maybe not so quietly anymore but eh.) ik this debate can get extreme in other places. You state a lot of what’s already given to us with no reaching which is how I’ve accepted much of the FF VII media I’ve consumed (besides theorizing on what’s to come). But it’s interesting to see how others think for better or for worse sometimes lol

[@itheGuillen]

Cloud loves Aerith and Tifa. Tifa and Aerith love Cloud. It's as simple as that but a huge portion of the fanbase refuses to accept that. As for the "canon" romance option there will never be a single canon pairing. The developers have said multiple times throughout the years that it's whatever the player wants it to be. Even recently when the Ultimania dropped the developers were already talking about the gold saucer dates not making sense for the narrative at the time and wanted the fans to consider all the gold saucer dates as completely separate from the main story. Maximillian Dood said it best. It's all just fanservice for the fans and we absolutely ate it up haha. I think the only real fanbase that has a right to be upset are Zack fans. They got the short end of the stick. They wanted to make it clear that at this point in time Aerith had moved on from Zack (it had been almost 5 years) and now had feelings for Cloud. If there are multiple endings I'm positive they'd give Zack and Aerith fans a happy ending as well. They all deserve a happy ending.

[@jazzy_okami]

I agree!! & if there’s any real change in if there’s a solidified canon relationship, it’s always up to the developers first and foremost (and I do agree with your Zack thoughts as well.) Thank you for commenting!

[@adihsarstilinskih8237]

Okay I'm subscribing. I just saw you have introspective videos on Cloud and Zack on the side and I need to support my fellow Melanin princess. You make good, valid and well thought out points and your hair is friggin fantastic. Sold. I'm a fan. :D

[@jazzy_okami]

AHHH PERIOD, thank you sooo much ;-; I appreciate it! That means so much to me, and that just makes me even more happy that I decided to give KZbin another try so I can represent and have these cool interactions!! I hope you enjoy the rest of the content and continue to share your thoughts ❤️🙏🏽

[@bradhorowitz2765]

Who should end up with cloud? This is honestly one of the most frustrating things about the shipping debates. The WOMEN are not objects for cloud to win. Aerith and tifa are not only great characters, but do believe they are the MVPS. Without them, cloud dosnt become a hero per se and the world dies. But if we seriously consider the debate as you did, what is the story trying to tell us? It’s telling us this, death happens. And there’s no fixing that. Don’t take things for granted and grieve for those you love. Did cloud love with romantically? We don’t know for sure. And it’s uncomfortable. “What if we had more time? What if I was more open? What if she loved?” It bothers cloud and tifa where they have these unresolved feelings. They know they’d give anything to see aerith, but they know that her being dead prob brought them together. Cloud and tifa are the ones who will end up together but it’s complicated. It’s kinda like the Mary Jane, Gwen Stacy, Peter Parker triangle. Gwen died, and it made mj and Peter seriously consider their adulthood and pushed them into a real relationship. But they always ponder “what if Gwen lived?” Tifa's and aerith prob knew that they loved cloud. But they never held it against each other . My fan-canon imagines if Tifa and aerith did develop feelings for each other (look at those chemistry), and this complicated what they feel for cloud and each other :)

[@bradhorowitz2765]

Did cloud love aerith romantically*

[@jazzy_okami]

I love your passion! Lol and yes I agree. The biggest thing for me is how love in the most general sense is shown with everyone (I love the whole crew’s dynamics 😭)and it cannot be denied with either of the 3 people in this “triangle”. And it honestly is so sad whenever one girl gets bashed on over the other.

[@legend1385]

Personally, I am a hardcore cloti, but i absolutely love Aerith as a character. I have a personal stance that her and Cloud have a spiritual type relationship. After playing Rebirth, i definitely feel that Aerith LOVES Cloud, but she is not head over heels for Cloud. This mostly has to due to her complicated feelings leftover from Zack and the fact that she has yet to meet Cloud's true self. During the church scene at the end she states "I really like you but like can mean many things" so its clear Aerith does not have 100% closure on her feelings for Cloud or Zack shes stripped away from the chance due to Sephiroth. Aerith will always be an important person in Cloud's life. that's just a part of the narrative. However, with Tifa, i feel like the feelings are more mutual on both sides, or rather, the feelings are clearer. Tifa falls for Cloud when she is around 13, and that night at the water tower, she realizes she's truly in love with him. (Traces of Two Pasts) Cloud dedicates going to Solider entierly to becoming a better man for Tifa and is stated explicitly his desires of wanting "to become a special existence to Tifa" (2000 gill to a hero novel) Cloud and Tifa's past and history and deep connection are a core part of the story. The scene in Gongaga is my favorite in rebirth, not because of the "near kiss," but because it's clear Cloud becomes more like his real self when Tifa is near. His way of speaking and his sincere tone and the vulnerability he only ever opens up to her. This is true for the entire compilation. It's heavily clear that without Tifa, Cloud would have remained a Hollow shell like he was by the railroad. Tifa is the only piece of memory that Cloud has that is pure and untainted by the Jenova cells in his body. She will always be there to remind him of who he is. Their relationship is just so special to me. But that is not to undermine Aerith’s importance to Cloud she will always be someone that he will remember to his core and its important that all of Cloud’s relationships are vital to his story and his character. That said I really hope SE decides to make it cannon in Part 3 so debates can be out to rest. (Ambiguity is what led to this in the first place afterall)

[@jazzy_okami]

Look at you bringing out the references to back up your pointsss! And I agree, ever since I was a kid this is how I interpreted Cloud and Tifa’s interactions. I also like the Gongaga scene because it’s one of the many examples that support Cody Christian’s love of how complex Cloud is and how he treats his friends slightly different depending on the relationship. (This is why I cannot reply to any “tifa is useless” comments because there’s no room for debate on the opposing side lol) Yuffie and Barret seem to slightly nod at their relationship too in Rebirth (& Marle in Remake). Like you, I love Aerith and she is a queen but her big role to play, making sure everyone especially Cloud is okay first and foremost (as well as Sephiroth getting in the way) unfortunately has always taken precedent .

[@legend1385]

​@@jazzy_okamiThat's why, during the OG, I was always under the assumption that Aerith is more so the "world's" heroine and Tifa is Cloud's "heroine." Aerith will gladly sacrifice herself to fulfill her role, even if she truly desires to live more selfishly. She has a lot of heart, and I find that so beautiful. Meanwhile, Tifa's loyalty to Cloud never waivers; she is always going to remain by his side and love him for who he is, both at his best and at his worst. I was actually surprised at how much Yuffie and Cait Sith leaned towards Cloti. In the OG, Cait even made a fortune for Aerith that she and Cloud were compatible; it seems like SE switched that entirely. Anyway, I hate people who undermine Tifa by claiming she's useless when Cloud would not be who he is if she never interacted with him. The Promise (the entire reason Cloud is even a solider) Train Station (Cloud would have remained a husk and probably died if she wasn't there) lifestream (this is very self-explanatory; had she not healed Cloud's mind, the world would have been destroyed, simple as that, no debate), Tifa is a major part of why the story begins and is a major reason why it ended the way it did. Both Aerith and Tifa are queens, and the narrative of FF7 would not be the same without them.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@legend1385 andddd *mic drop* I couldn’t have said it better myself! I swear being a lurking most of my time on the internet, I’ve seen so much Tifa and Zack hate (which I’d love to mention in this Cloud analysis I’m scripting rn) and I just… there’s always that thing where I’m fandoms people will have a huge imbalance between what they’re consuming/what is right in front of them vs what they want to happen/see.

[@adihsarstilinskih8237]

@@jazzy_okami I agree. If you have to disregard the importance of Tifa and Aerith and even Zack to push your ships with Cloud, then that speak volumes to me. Your ship should hold water without demeaning the other characters. It's a messy situation because Shinra and Hojo ruined EVERYTHING, but Cloud loves both of these women. Both of them love Cloud. Aerith and Zack still love each other. Tifa and Aerith are Bffs and so are Cloud and Zack. Yes, it's a complicated mess to end all messes. LOL

[@jazzy_okami]

@@adihsarstilinskih8237 100% agree with this. The heroes/party all have been through so much they def deserve more love ;-;

[@TakariCritic]

I totally agree with your last point, Cloud needs to stabalize himself before entering into a emotional romantic partnership. (Though he makes a great effort in Advent Children)

[@jazzy_okami]

He definitely does especially at the end! Wonder if we’ll get a glimpse of more post AC weather it’d be a cutscene, book or (dare I say it) DoC Remake 🥹

[@jandeiification]

I Fully agree with you... CLOUD loves both of them... and the 2 women loves Cloud. And should this be a real situation, and with the grief and guilt Cloud would go through the future, He will really end up all alone. We saw this in Advent Children...

[@jazzy_okami]

I mean not ALONE alone (per his last line in AC) just probably….single hahaha

[@Wyse_thoughts]

Have to remember tho. Cloud thinks he’s Zack. So he carries over those feelings as well

[@jazzy_okami]

@@Wyse_thoughts he does, but as the story goes on I believe it effects him less and less. A lot of CloTi’s like to bring that reasoning up, and I think that’s only a partial thing (especially since Cloud has only heard of Aerith, it’s not like he’s met her before Zack died) & this is coming from a mainly CloTi person lol

[@fair.yspirit8889]

nice video! i agree with most of what you said. i have my own preferences but i can admit there there is evidence for both sides. just wish people would stop fighting and enjoy what they like without diminishing the characters or spreading lies. anyway, have you read cloud’s new novel? 2,000 gil to a hero! it’s a really good read and gives a lot of background to what happened to cloud after he left nibelheim. i think you might enjoy it!

[@jazzy_okami]

Thanks for tuning in & giving your thoughts! And no I haven’t, I need to add that to my collection, thanks for letting me know 🥹❤️

[@joshz2491]

I always thought that the narrative and devs were pretty clear about Cloud's feelings even in the original. Tifa is the girl he always wanted but never felt confident enough to go after. Aerith is muddy because Cloud spends so much of the story pretending to be a confident, perfectly heroic badass soldier which is not his true personality. He is shy, awkward, and actually not confident in himself at all. Until he realizes that it's okay for him to be that way. But like I said I think the devs are pretty clear about Cloud's feelings and who they prefer for him. The original game was going to have a much more explicit (for 1997 anyway) intimate scene between Tifa and Cloud but they realized that kids would probably be playing the game so it was altered to be more subtle. The lifestream scene makes it pretty clear that Cloud always wanted Tifa to the point that he internalized failing to save her as his own personal weakness and only got over that when he was able to show Tifa his most important memory of her. It’s hilarious to me that they both liked each other but were too insecure about themselves to realize it. Tifa out here dressing up just for Cloud is adorable. People like to point to Advent Children to dismiss their relationship, but that’s ridiculous. We, the fans might want official confirmation of them being a couple. But I don’t think they need that kind of validation. They love each other, they would have to to be trying to raise kids together. Sometimes I think we get way too focused on details, especially when it comes to relationships in media. Maybe it’s different in other parts of the world but it sure does feel like only American culture needs explicit validation of relationships.

[@jazzy_okami]

Trying to keep as much respect to the people who disagree maturely & still acknowledging valid points and moments opposing mine… I agree with everything you said. It’s pretty clear to me as I interpret it the same way you have. Media literacy is a huge thing to consider nowadays, a lot of people NEED something spelt out for them because of their bias preventing them from consuming something as is/what the creator may have intended (instead of letting the piece breathe).The choice is always given to please everyone but narrative choices creators make still may point to one direction at the end. One beautiful aspect of art is how the consumer interprets it BUT ALSO how the artists plan on conveying what they intend to portray. That’s the beauty in scenes in where it can be show don’t tell, & words where subtleties & choice of words can lead to a bigger meaning. People will argue about all the dates being optional in Rebirth. But they are scripted and animated all a certain way for a reason imo. Otherwise each date should have the same outcome. AND there’s that one scene in Gongaga that you canNOT skip iykwim. AC focuses a lot on Cloud needing to heal but with the further reading and how Tifa treats cloud and at least tries to give him space while still worrying, feelings are def still there (but again, he needs to heal)

[@joshz2491]

@@jazzy_okami yeah, I totally agree with you.

[@sunberry2891]

Cloud really needs one thing, and its THERAPY.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@sunberry2891 😂😂 REAL

[@wmen48]

You said it perfectly. Cloud is no way fit for these girls. Aerith acknowledges she doesn't know real him. Tifa thinks she does but in the lifestream Cloud sais something like - we grown up next to each other BUT we didn't know each other. This shocks Tifa who acknowledged she didn't also knew real Cloud. This makes all shipping redundant.

[@jazzy_okami]

I still like that Square gave us the choice! Otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about it today 😊 I don’t doubt they’ll give a “final answer” in the third game, but realistically (and jokingly) Cloud definitely NEEDS healing hahaha.

[@wmen48]

@@jazzy_okami Realistically there is only one choice after he is healed

[@benmcclenaghan4117]

What are you talking about

[@wmen48]

@@benmcclenaghan4117 When you finish the game you will know.

[@JDavis4545]

I’m not gon lie I would dig a cooking channel for some anime/FF recipes

[@jazzy_okami]

THE PRESSURE… I might give it a shot one day though

[@JDavis4545]

You got it, and this was a great video!!!!

[@jazzy_okami]

@@JDavis4545 thank you :,)

[@anabanana4526]

I think I agree with Max Dood in that this is written as a high-school-like love triangle (or square, if you add Zack). The difference though is that it's far more complex and the circumstances are more dire. I think Cloud loves both but in different ways and both amazing women bring out different aspects of him. Because of plot, well, we know who he winds up with ultimately, but without the help of both Tifa and Aerith, he wouldn't be able to find himself again. And I feel like with this remake, they gave Tifa even more importance due to her having to be the one to help put Cloud back together. The most important thing, like you indicated, over everything is that the trio all value one another as friends. A person can love more than one person, but that doesn't mean you can only see them as a love interest. I really think it's been wonderfully written and this was a great video.

[@jazzy_okami]

Yay another Max watcher!! And yes I agree, especially with Zack being more present it’s def more of a square BUT all love, which is so awesome. All the drama is really Sephiroth & Shinra’s doing lol. Thank you so much for tuning in & sharing your thoughts ❤️

[@anabanana4526]

@@jazzy_okami Shinra is the school that should've been shut down years ago and Sephiroth really is that messy high-school b*tch we all hated: "Getting happy, Kuraudo? Lemme trigger all your past trauma after school" lol.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@anabanana4526 He's the pretty boy jock bully that always get what he wants fr lol

[@jthecryptid]

One of my favorite aspects of Aerith is that she's able to seperate her longing for Zack from her feelings for Cloud and explain this clearly to him. No shyness or insecurity, she's honest about her feelings and how she wants to go forward with him. She's not using Cloud as a stand-in for Zack. She loves Cloud for who he is and wants to spend more time with him, but she also knows that he hides hinself behind a prickly mask to protect his sensitive heart. Cloud is willing to step out of his shell to be with her. In Remake, he struggled to give Tifa a high five. In Rebirth, he holds Aerith for the gondala ride and savors the moment. I think Cloud and Tifa have a mutual crush, but the Compilation is clear that their relationship (if it's even that-Nojima has expressed confusion at fans saying CT are a couple) has a lot of problems. C and T are terrible at expressing their feelings; they bottle up their problems until they overflow. Their relationship betwen OG and AC is dysfunctional: Marlene telks Barrett that they aren't getting along. Cloud lies to Tifa about his habit of sleeping/hanging out in Aerith's church between jobs and turns to alcohol to numb himself. Tifa doesn't call out Cloud's cold, self-destructive behavior until AC, 2 years after OG. They are able to make up, don't hold grudges over this, and i have no doubt that Cloud and Tifa love eachother enough to make it work. But it's clear that their communication and honesty is pretty bad and it strains their relationship. Contrast this to Aerith's beach and water tower scenes in Rebirth. She's able to articulate her complicated emotions without lashing out at Cloud or clamming up. She's clear about her needs and sets firm but gentle boundaries while processing her thoughts, and Cloud respects that. Aerith does in 5 minutes what Cloud and Tifa failed to do for 2 years.

[@houstonscott4362]

The fact that you’re comparing Aerith and Tifas relationship with Cloud is actually crazy and unfair considering the dynamic isn’t even the same. Tifa treads lightly with Cloud for obvious reasons. Aerith doesn’t even get to experience the real Cloud while she’s alive. She’s searching for him. And actually, he opens up to Tifa in Rebirth. Crazy you’re trying to diminish their relationship when it’s obvious you don’t even understand it. She’s the one that gets those pieces of who he really is in Rebirth.

[@adihsarstilinskih8237]

@@houstonscott4362 I was about to say this. Cloud opens up to Tifa quite well in Remake and Rebirth. He's always softer with her and confides his troubles in her. How did OP not see this? In AC he is dealing with a LOT of survivor's guilt and guilt at not being able to help Aerith and Zack. and yes, that does strain his relationship with Tifa since he hides away when he thinks he's dying. But to say they NEVER communicate and confide in each other is ridiculous. the entire scene in Rebirth where he confides in Tifa that he thinks he's falling apart should prove that. He doesn't tell anyone else this.

[@samuelreynaldoff]

*Spoiler* In Chapter 14 of Rebirth. I obviously Ship Cloud with Tifa But i do love the relationship between Cloud & Aerith just as much. I love that last date between Aerith & Cloud! We got a chance to see a little glimpse of "what could have been". Those last few moments before she pushes him into the life stream are so good! In my opinion, I felt like a I got closure between Aerith & Cloud and for that... I truly like it! It reminds me of how Ted Mosby in "How I met you mother" had that monologue, were he told his kids if he can go back in time, he would go back to meet their mother 45 days earlier...to have those extra 45 days with her. But Aerith got 1 last date with Cloud..beautiful...beautiful i tell you!

[@jazzy_okami]

Honestly, I’m glad Aerith got that chance and kind of had a proper goodbye before everything happened!

[@samuelreynaldoff]

@@jazzy_okami I do agree agree with you ...mah man needs to work on himself before being shipped with someone. At the moment, the man is a walking red flag!

[@jazzy_okami]

@@samuelreynaldoff exactly a relationship should be the LAST thing on his mind lol

[@ETHomerin]

You're right reality, nobody is the best answer 🤣 But you gotta love them for trying. Aerith and Tifa are the most lovable characters in this series. I wonder if with Aerith in the lifestream now, and Tifa having been inside a Weapon, will Tifa gain abilities that allow her to talk to Cloud's mind like Aerith talks to the Planet. I might as well say I hope Cloud and Tifa are happy together in the future. I would hope that five or so years later that there might be a child with fluffy blonde hair and dark maroon eyes. A little brother or sister for Denzel and Marlene. If it were a girl, the name is obvious. But that being said, we are not there yet. Tifa is not yet the love of Cloud's life, and Aerith (as wonderful as she is) isn't either. During the events of FFVII, Cloud's true love is still Claudia Strife, the woman who single-handedly raised him into who he is. Although he doesn't realize it by age sixteen 🤣🤣 Cloud is a thoughtful young man full of love and ambition. He's a Jack of all trades who learned these skills from a Jill. Cloud is a young man who never for a second doubted his loving mother that his father loved him too. Claudia is a woman with high morals and standards with dreams who in turn passed these same ideas on to Cloud, inevitably leading him to have these standards for himself and for women. Hero's are more nurtured than they are made by nature. And you're way less likely to meet an incredible woman if you aren't raised by one. As a young woman of seventeen, Claudia would most likely be an Aerith or Tifa of her generation, and in turn find herself a selection to find someone pretty damn good. Certainly not someone who would runaway like many fans speculate. Symbolically, Claudia who stayed, is the opposite of Lucrecia who ran away. While Hojo is Sephiroth's parent biologically, Vincent was the would be father who never did a thing. Cloud's father is gone but would have done anything. Sephiroth's birth is bathed in Jenova, Cloud's in Lifestream. In short, Aerith and Tifa save Cloud in every way imaginable. Claudia made him the perfect man worth saving. Tifa and Aerith... I like those names a lot. But the story has moved on. We gotta put another name next to Tifa's. Let me think... Tifa and Cloud is nice, but it's still a little too soon. Tifa and Scarlet! That's the one!!!! Forget the slap fight! That's nothing now. If you want look at subtext, this woman might be the biggest killer in this story. With out a doubt she is the most outwardly violent character. She doesn't wear a single mask. 'You're scum. I'm going to kill you.' And now she's going to try and gas Tifa and the Princess of Wutai on a worldwide broad cast. That's not going to trigger a massive battle! What if the chamber is loaded with Poison and Ice materia. The cold makes it slow. Those moogles might be good energy to fuel up that Crimson Machine... Cissnei was insubordinate in Gongaga. When Scarlet kills her, she'll probably see Zack alive or in her mind, and die trying to tell him the name we never hear. Reality won't go her way as Shinra falls. So her connective brain tissue with reality... bye bye. She'll survive the Midgar Raid and bring terror to the slums in a final act of revenge. Her machine is destroyed, but killing the moogles has put some kind of curse on her. Now she loses the filters we thought she didn't have in the first place. Can't stop saying kupo either. After Hojo is dead, Scarlet sicks Nero on Yuffie. Vincent protects her. Chaos in the slums. Anything for a distraction. Scarlet takes Elmyra and Marlene hostage to lure Tifa into a fight to the death in Aerith's church. Marlene for some reason went to sleep earlier and won't wake up until later. There was someone Aerith didn't want her to meet. She uses more materia spells than we've dealt with so far. She moves like Aerith on purpose. She's hacked Cait Sith's cameras many times without Reeve's knowledge. She knows how you fight. She's been waiting for this. She imitates Aerith's battle lines in a mock voice. Her last words hurt Tifa severely but they might be a lie. How could she know that anyone who joined Soldier couldn't have kids after? Maybe having been inside that Weapon will make things okay. No more mercy: Tifa has Scarlet pinned in front of her. A quick precise punch to the brainstem. Lights out! Scarlet's irises do a sunset, rolling down, leaving only bloodshot whites. I think Scarlet would be a great nemesis for Tifa. The new human Weapon versus the Materia abuser. The perfect would be mother versus a child killer. In the end my heart does go to Tifa the Weapon. But Aerith is the yellow flower of the lifestream!

[@jazzy_okami]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, that was quite a trip! Haha. Lots of hope for how the story wraps up. Maybe we’ll know more about Cloud’s dad since was mentioned again in Traces of Two Pasts

[@ETHomerin]

​@@jazzy_okami Glad you enjoyed them. I've never played too many video games but VII is hands down one of my favorite stories. At this point I'm probably not going to play anything at all after VII wraps up, mostly just because of time, but also because I've realized I like my fiction better in books when you can do a lot more. In a sense VIIR is my swan song for gaming, and so far it's felt more like a phoenix than a swan. I've never had more fun even with Stephen King stuff lol. I'm blown away by this game. Is Traces in English or do we know stuff from translations? As you can see I'm quite frightened by Scarlet. To me, she's the real alien in this story. While Hojo is Hojo, he seems to be having a good time as Jenova's true servant. Scarlet just seems crazy and hateful. Lol, she actually makes me think of Anne Wilkes in Stephen King's misery. There seems to be something genetically wrong with her brain lol

[@jazzy_okami]

@@ETHomerin Traces has already been translated! So you can purchase if interested :) Hojo is probably the villain I hate the most, he’s done terrible things and is disgusting lol (but I agree Scarlett is pretty scary and heartless. I look forward to the 3rd game where tifa gets to interact with her again.)

[@ETHomerin]

@@jazzy_okami If it's a villain to actually truly hate. Agreed definitely, Hojo! And thank's I'll have to buy a copy!

[@shanliekpop]

Girl I totally agree with you. I personally ship Cloud and Aerith but it just makes sense he ends up with Tifa at the end. Aerith dies and it's so wrong to expect Cloud to stay in this depressed state alone when he clearly also has feelings for Tifa. It's the same reason even if I adore Zack the ppl who seriously think Aerith can never love another man again and should save herself for a dead guy her whole life is insane and cruel. Both Tifa and Aerith are best girl and honestly should have left Cloud to live happily every after as AerTi haha

[@jazzy_okami]

Thank you they are both best gurlll 😭😭 And honestly yea, it’s totally okay for Aerith to try and move on & it must be so hard mentally without closure & she just so happens upon Cloud the same way she meets Zack. I really wanna see where they take Zack being back because it seems to me Aerith couldn’t fully forget (in CC It seemed clear she knew instantly when he died via livestream but it seems like post defeating the whispers in remake she may have forgotten?? Like they’re in Gongaga and she still tries to talk to his parents and kind of in denial made the excuse that he probably liked other girls when he literally almost made it to Midgar for her. I hope there’s some sort of closure we visually see if this all leads to AC.)

[@shanliekpop]

@jazzy_okami I hope we get to see something with Zack and Aerith too in game 3. I think in the Gi boat Rebirth implied she felt Zack alive again though the livestream water. Like it's so mean to do that and then not have them see each other again haha. Plus I feel like this game is already preparing viewers for Tifa x Cloud from the beginning so we're less sad about Aerith. Like in Remake he automatically gives the flower to Tifa, it's not a choice like in 1997, and Aerith say's "don't fall in love with me" and then Cloud initiates the kiss for Tifa in Rebirth.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@shanliekpop I agree 💯!! I totally forgot about that moment on the boat good catch!

[@adihsarstilinskih8237]

I don't think Aerith should never get over Zack. My issue with that is that she needs to KNOW what happened to Zack to truly get closure, grieve and move on. Whether that is with Cloud or someone else. It super bothered me that in Gongaga she actively went to Zack's parents' house because she clearly wanted to know if they had heard from him. That means she isn't over him. She finds out they haven't heard from Zack either and they weirdly have Aerith and his parents just accept this. All three of them should have been "Something is wrong. Zack wouldn't just disappear and not write or call or visit." Like it's almost a good thing Zack died ( is he alive now or just in between states?) because if he was in trouble somewhere, help clearly wouldn't be coming from these three. Cloud gets a pass because he has forgotten Zack in his mental trauma. Like I don't know. INVESTIGATE or something. Try to contact the Shinra SOLDIER program at least. Even if they can't find out anything, at least have them acknowledge that it's strange that he just literally vanished.

[@adihsarstilinskih8237]

@@jazzy_okami I agree. They really need that closure.

[@TonyKanameKuran]

In conclusion, she wants... RED! Scooby Dooby DOO!!!!!!! I kid, I kid.

[@jazzy_okami]

I’M WEAK 😭😭 ngl I honestly thought I f*cked up my missions and was gonna get Red for my date and I was surprised to see I didn’t

[@misscaseydias]

I agree with you :) I think Cloud & Tifa are supposed to be together, & Zack & Aerith are supposed to be together ~ but I do really think he loves them both romantically 💛 Tifa is his soulmate/ rock IMO, but I do really think he has butterflies & stars for Aerith ☀️ ~ nothing gets under my skin more than people reading into Clouds facial expressions haha “Cloud looked disappointed after hugging Tifa because he wants to be with Aerith” , no he didn’t , he’s just awkward lol

[@misscaseydias]

Also Aerith & Tifa’s friendship 💛 they’re both my angels.

[@jazzy_okami]

I’m with you there! And oh gosh yea that’s such a stretch to say when there’s so many instances where it’s clear how much he cares for Tifa and her approval/opinion. I love how Tifa can relate to his awkwardness. She thinks she can’t naturally make friends she just pretends to 😭 my heart. Thank you for tuning in!! ❤️

[@jazzy_okami]

@@misscaseydias PERIOD. Angels, queens, girlie pops I love em both ❤️

[@sylo_dreams]

I find Clerith the tragic love story like Romeo and Juliet, the love story with an accident waiting to happen. The love that was never meant to be. Which is what makes it all the more enticing and haunting to think about. There's always that question of what if- which they answered, in that non optional date at the end. And given the context of Zack and Aerith's loneliness, it makes it all the more gut wrenching but it happens a lot in real life, so its not all that taboo as people think it is... Just saying..

[@alyss4192]

I love Aerith as a character, I mean, how can you not like such sweet girl! But honeslty, in terms of emotional connection depth, if there is anyone who can heal him, it's Tifa. To me, Aerith is the heroin of FF7, but the heroin for Cloud is Tifa.

[@jazzy_okami]

Agreed!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts ☺️

[@alyss4192]

​@@jazzy_okamiThank you too! Love your FF7 vids, my bf is a fan of Kingdom Hearts and after know I love FF7 he recommend me to read about Kingdom hearts AND your video helps me the most 😆

[@jazzy_okami]

@@alyss4192 Aw I’m so glad!! I love both of those things haha I plan on making a Kh essay in the future as well ❤️

[@elftball1744]

I just need my boy zack to get his happy ending 😭. Zerith to me is the star crossed tragic lovers and I do believe we will see them unite in the lifestream in part 3 bc we never saw it in AC. Just my thoughts on ships lol

[@jazzy_okami]

Honestly I’m right with you there! 😭 with how they brought him back, we better get some closure lol

[@adihsarstilinskih8237]

Finally someone who seems to give a shit about Zack. He also shouldn't be disregarded in this. People seem to forget that Zack is a GOOD man. He didn't just abandon Aerith and they were...ARE.. in love. Aerith should know what happened to him BEFORE she ever decides to move on with Cloud or not. Give this woman closure first before throwing her on another guy.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@adihsarstilinskih8237 AGREED

[@SuperEkkorn]

I think the Re-games have confirmed that Tierith(?) is the only viable option ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I jest a little, I always saw them both as equal; Aerith was the clear choice for the story, the "Moment" has a way bigger impact the more important she is to Cloud, but Tifa is obviously endgame, Aerith is literally gone, and after Cloud is himself again his feelings for her can fully blossom. That being said, I was somewhat online back in the late 90s, and the discourse abt "jiggle physics" and explicit s*x under the Highwind made sure I couldn’t take ppl seriously. I didn’t know there was real a shipping war going on until Remake was released, and even then idiots were back to complain abt Tifa's cup size, like ffs. I adore all these chrs, especially the girls, and the Re-games have done an amazing job fleshing them out. Also the best date scene was Yuffie, with Nanaki a close second.

[@jazzy_okami]

Lol and I wouldn’t be mad at it either! Yea! I never really participated much with fandoms of things I really enjoyed; I was for the most part a lurker all my life besides having social media & stuff. But like KZbin comments & forums weren’t really for me so the shipping wars weren’t something I had witnessed too often but I was still aware of (up until now that is lol ) Some people may say different, (and I feel like I have to reiterate I love all the girls ESP A & T), but Tifa gets picked on and dragged the most from what I’ve seen because of either her looks, or her more reserved personality (when she’s not being the group mom) and it makes me sad :( Yuffie’s & Nanaki’s dates were really adorable ngl lol

[@SuperEkkorn]

@jazzy_okami oh I agree abt Tifa, she's one of the best realised characters to me, she's complicated and human, shows growth, is so loving and accepting despite her trauma, and seeing ppl reduce her down to "oohh boobies* or vapid bc of her looks is infuriating. I also love that both of them personifies a stark contrast between their outward aesthetic (yeah, not the right word, but my brain isn't working words today) and their personalities, Aerith can be brash and sassy despite presenting very femme, Tifa is sensitive and reserved despite her role as a physical fighter. Point is, both of them are equally valid choices for Cloud, and I squeed and kicked my feet for both dates, even if only one contained a true kiss (which made me lose my mind a little ngl), the alt date with Aerith came damn close, and the GS hand holding was beautiful. My heart might not be able to make it in the next game for so many reasons.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@SuperEkkorn yess exactly! And I’ve seen comments on both her natural looks and her clothing which is irking (I really love how she’s designed in the remake trilogy especially and how functional her outfit can be as a fighter/athlete) But I agree (it’s okay I get what ya mean with the personality vs aesthetics thing lol) I also love that about both Tifa and Aerith, & this trilogy has fleshed them out so much more (as well as everyone else too!)🥹 I got Tifa first without really trying (but VERY happy and I agree both dates were touching and along with the rest pretty insightful) and I can’t wait to see her shine a bit more in the 3rd game as Aerith did so in Rebirth.

[@SuperEkkorn]

@jazzy_okami yeah, I want her to shine, and now I realised she'll not have Aerith, not as a girlfriend nor a best friend, and I wanna cry😢

[@jazzy_okami]

@@SuperEkkorn I feel you 😭😭

[@itsdantaylor]

Interesting vid! I think this debate is also complicated more so by the fact that, we're facing a kind of East vs West when it comes to video game romances happening within FF7. While Japanese games may offer multiple romance options for the players to choose, the devs usually have a 'intended' romance. Western developers tend to be a bit more..........open ended? In their approach to make sure the player's choices feel validated by not committing to a set love interest. Japanese games, especially JRPG's will be more blatant with marketing, promotional material, and subsequent appearances in other media, on who they want/expect to be paired together. For a lot of us western gamers FF7 was our first experience with video game romance. Some may like/choose Cloud X Tifa but if you ask me, there is WAY more evidence/marketing/promotion material to support that Cloud X Aerith is the 'intended' romance and that I feel can cause friction between people. It adds a weird layer of 'legitimacy' that people may feel they need to validate, defend, or dispute. I like your take on Cloud and the fact that the dude clearly needs to sort stuff out before having a relationship

[@itsdantaylor]

Case in point I about the east vs west approach, was re-watching a few older video game trailers for Mass Effect and Bioware had two different trailers, each one showing the MC kissing someone different in the romance scene. In one it was Ashley, the other was Liara. But if you look at the single commercial for FF7 released it shows just Cloud and Aerith while making reference to the fact the story was about 'Love'

[@jazzy_okami]

That’s an interesting point about cultures. I feel like at this point though a lot of people are at least familiar with how eastern developers handle romance (whether this game was a start of their experience or not. Even newer fans who love anime, dating sims, eastern media are still debating lol) The great thing about ff7 (& other well written media) is how there’s so much complexity in the characters, their emotions and story, with subtle elements being loud/strong. Both sides feel there’s more evidence for one pairing over the other, so there will be unrest til Square makes it clear (and they might not, but who knows til game 3 comes out). But to keep the peace despite strongly siding with there being strong evidence of CloudxTifa being end game I’m still very much aligned with Cloud loves both (because he does) but really needs to love himself lol. It’s in Square’s hands now.

[@Jammineyeonline]

As for me, you might hate it. But i would just pick the one who is still alive. 😆

[@jazzy_okami]

And I OOP!!

[@nickisthemost]

Why not both ? since Aerith and Tifa are bestie they propably can share 😊 I think people should understand that the devs love the ambiguity between these two relationship. They will never show us the clear answer even after Aerith is death. It's all up to how people interpret and relate themself with Aerith and Tifa. Now, the devs knew people like Tifa more than Aerith since the OG. So what they do ? They shoved more of Aerith non optional date scene, to even it out for new and old players. But it didn't work for me, i still prefer Tifa. The most grounded character in the game. I think it's interesting that what people choose reflect how they percieve relationship. If they choose Aerith, they like it hot and spicy like romeo and juliet, in the moment thing. If they choose Tifa they are in for a long ride, thick and thin.

[@jazzy_okami]

Haha why NOT both?! Jkjk You GET ittttt 🥹 I agree with everything you just said lol

[@wmen48]

It's not really that. It's about chemistry. Cloud has it with Aerith. And in rebirth they have a loner background. Aerith is leading Cloud and that is what he needs. Also she understands him more. With Tifa he seems he either goes for her for the looks or because she needs him. Tifa on the other hand is so shy she can't lead Cloud and their interactions can come as just friendly. She would be better of with someone like Zack. An alpha leading her and it would fill that power couple fantasy.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@wmen48 an Alpha leading her oof… as someone who likes Cloud & Tifa, again, the point of the vid was to acknowledge and validate both sides… if that’s the impression you got from Tifa and who she is as a character … I’m not sure what to say

[@wmen48]

​@@jazzy_okamias a reference I'm a clerith born the same day as Aerith 7 february. Till my 30s I felt a loner like Cloud. Not that it hurt me but an aquarius is always a loner. But after I got older I got the game and am married. My comment was before I watched the vid. And gonna say from experience girl like Tifa won't be happy with someone like me or Cloud. Zacks character would open her up. Thats called leading emotionally like Aerith does to Cloud. My marriage works because we both are aquariuses and understand each other almost in unison.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@wmen48 I think Tifa & Cloud’s dynamic is more than just their base personality traits (as with Aerith). (Looking past that alpha comment) Although I don’t agree with you, I do respect where your viewpoint comes from!

[@kashdamoney6159]

Tifa and Aerith deserve better than Cloud, they deserve each other. Lowkey I could ship them in a polycule tho

[@jazzy_okami]

Okay PERIOD

[@benmcclenaghan4117]

You don't know what's talking about

[@jazzy_okami]

@@benmcclenaghan4117 this is in jest, are you okay?

[@stressbean1707]

Guys and girls can be friends without it being romantic. Tifa and cloud best friends. The story was always pushing towards aerith. She was always the one

[@jamessheeran4931]

I don't usually get into ships but Zack is my favorite video game character so I will always ship Zerith and Cloti

[@jazzy_okami]

I hear you and I SEE you 👌🏽

[@OGBabygurl]

I really don't understand why so many people prefer this pairing (Cloud Tifa). I figured the reason for the more nonoptional scenes is due to Aerith's scenes having even a little more relevance to the story progression than Tifa and Cloud scenes. Cloud really doesn't seem to appreciate Tifa in the way she deserves. Even after the game it just feels like she's following him but he's always thinking about something else. Even if he doesnt love Aerith I really don't see any romance between he and Tifa except the optional kiss scene, which literally felt OOC to me. Other than that, it feels like two people with a shared trauma but not really shared? I feel like people want Tifa to be the one but the devs weren't originally expecting a lot of fans to go that direction so they're trying to make it more even and neutral in hindsight. Story wise it just seems like Cloud liked Tifa as a child although he barely knew her and she him, opened up more when he met Aerith, learned to care for others and had one person he "cherished the most" taken away, living with guilt and always trying to atone, Tifa tries to help him through this regardless of her own feelings and needs being met (through AC), Cloud heals with heavy help of friends (mostly Aerith) again and will hopefully come to love Tifa the way she deserves. But definitely not yet in this point in the story, I'm sorry. I used to ship Tifa and Cloud before I knew the story (saw AC first), became obsessed and played the others, read novels, plays the games etc. then leaned more Cloud Aerith and have now realized he may love both equally but as Aerith is dead, he needs to get it together and be the man Tifa needs if hes going to move on. Both women in the gane are literally starting off with Cloud on the same playing field. Tifa never really new Cloud prior, and both women get to learn about the real time over the game. He had a crush on Tifa, had a short brisk llove with Aerith, learns a longer sustained way to healthily love Tifa. Marlene is Barrets child that they babysit. Denzel was the child he believed Aerith brought to them and they adopted him together. Kids especillay those in need were a population Aerith was very passionate about. Theyre not sleeping in the same bed, Cloud literally leaves her a 'single parent' and runs to "their spot" in the church when he feels he cant save the kid he thiugh she brought to him. Tifa fits into places almost out of obligation for Cloud but i feel like hes reasoning behind some actions is not for the betterment of Tifa. The astrological signs enough show the potential or lack of compatibility as well.

[@jazzy_okami]

I get ya, it’s alright. And I can tell you why people (myself included) like Cloud and Tifa together with no intention to persuade you. It’s how you perceive it any way right? Whether you see it, other people do and vice versa. Honestly what square does well is the Variance of personalities in their characters and how some aren’t always upfront and are more subtle/shy. Cloud is really going through it, and some people are easier to open up to than others especially when you’re a bit more reserved. Tifa is also that way, making sure Cloud is just overall okay, putting her feelings last. But as I explain in the video, they find comfort in each other, & ever since Cloud was younger he really values how Tifa sees him (ie wanting to keep his promise, leaving for soldier, being ashamed to show his face during the Nibel incident, being very apologetic and regretful when almost killing her) I see the chemistry there even past the optional scenes. There’s even one you cannot skip that shows you where they’re at feelings wise (& later you see Aerith needing to talk to Tifa afterwards) In terms of story progression, Tifa will be a very important part in Cloud’s healing in the third game. The priority really is for cloud to heal in Tifa’s mind (as well as Aerith and everyone else)

[@OGBabygurl]

@@jazzy_okami Thanks for your reply. I truly want to understand but I just can't seem to see it. Cloud has interactions with multiple characters throughout the game. There are many subtle moments of vulnerability particularly with Tifa and Aerith than are not optional. But moments of vulnerability and understanding and companionship do not mean love. You need more bread crumbs than that and I just feel they went more out of the way to display that more with Aerith these last two games and why wouldn't they, she's literally going to be out of the game and Tifa has the spotlight for the next installment. Tifa does not repair Clouds mind imo. She tries to help correct what she helped keep jumbled as the story progressed. And it goes to show her as flawed which i love. She apologized because she doesn't want to make him "mad" or doesn't know why she's "testing" him. There's so many times where she needs him and he either pushes her away, ignores her or remains too stunned after the fact to even see if she's alive. All thus while not doing the same with Aerith. I'm not trying to start a debate so I really do apologize. I just truly want to understand how people see it. In all my Tifa/Cloud like relationships, it's the one that's most similar to Aerith/Clouds that actually lasted into a marriage. Again I apologize for any triggering, I just like to talk things through so maybe I'd understand it from another perspective but I really can't seem to find anything to help me understand how any pairing is directly canon, especially that one right now. The romantic scene I think you're referring to, there's no reaction from Cloud, Tifa moves in if that's it.

[@jazzy_okami]

@@OGBabygurl That romantic scene along mentioned with all the optional scenes including Aerith, Cloud shows no negative reaction towards. And it’s fine! No need to apologize, you just perceive certain situations between tifa and cloud differently. Imo, despite her keeping it in throughout the story, Tifa still helps Cloud realize that his memory is janky and helps him put the pieces together. Although you are correct that moments of understanding/vulnerability =\= romantic love perse, it equals love in the most general sense. Which is why I do state all of Cloud’s friendships are important and he does interact with each member differently. In a lot of writing once you hit the conclusion, it’s nice to go back and look at the subtleties and see that it doesn’t necessarily always have to be clearly spelt out. But we do have to wait and see what happens in the last game. Even if they don’t make it clear enough for most by the end, I will greatly accept Cloud just needing to find him self by himself & cope with all that happened as he was trying to do in AC

[@DonShotta24]

Dog we not reading that long ass book you wrote. Cloud and Tifa has been confirmed several times over.

[@OGBabygurl]

@DonShotta24 you don't gotta read it dog lol They have not been confirmed not once. The whole fanbase is delusional and childish.

[@solemijo7860]

Aerith if she will be alive. If not, Tifa 😅

[@Stellathekuni]

Exactly