Criminal Lawyer Reacts to Cops Arrest 12 Year Old Girl For Allegedly St*bbing Brother

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Criminal Lawyer Bruce Rivers Reacts to Cops Arrest 12 Year Old Girl For Allegedly St*bbing Brother to Death
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[@jayeharrison4533]

The officer deserves a lot of props. He was calm. He was sensitive and aware of what was happening. He handled this horrifying incident so well.

[@user-uu1hv8nv6i]

He goat

[@davidedwards1705]

This officer is what all should be. He wasn't looking to incriminate her, he was trying to calm and be understanding I can imagine he is a father as well.

[@DaleDix]

​@@davidedwards1705 assuming.

[@krisbaker9427]

Yeah, a different cop might have beaten her or killed her.

[@davidedwards1705]

@@krisbaker9427 Bit extreme, but I'm seeing he is not looking for her to confess or to force her to make an incriminating statement.

[@hollypotter6989]

3 kids by 3 fathers? Self harming, watching 2 younger siblings, on meds for ADHD? Sounds like that little girl had too much on her 12 year old shoulders. Hope the child gets the mental help she clearly needs. I hope she also has a good attorney who advocates for her. She needs someone on her side alone.

[@SupremeCommanderBaiser]

Yeah. I am fearful for the near future. The traditional family is dead. And crazy kids are the result of that (in part at least). This shit will happen more often.

[@joelarmour]

She'll get off. Her mom should be charged instead

[@user-ts2ug1il7c]

i really dont know how that little girl is ever going to be recover. not only is she already immensely traumatized by the horrendous conditions she was raised in, but shell also have to live knowing she killed her little brother. what a horrible mother

[@PhpGtr]

Her family is not dead. No families were killed.

[@reneet5858]

No, she won't just "Get off". She Murdered her little Brother for God's sake. She DOES need all the help she can get. And, the Mom needs to stop having kids she cant care for, or provide the care while she's not there.​@joelarmour

[@rbryant100]

I came home and hugged my 16 year old daughter after this. She struggled with depression when she was 13-14. My wife and I found evidence of her self cutting and letters reflecting the emotional pain she was in. It felt like someone had reached inside my chest and punched me in the heart. Thankfully, good mental health care and her growing through puberty she has transformed into a healthy and happy teen, with a job and boyfriend. This video is devastating to watch

[@annagarcia1527]

How is your daughter doing now? I always hug my daughter. I tell her all the time how much we love her

[@mookiess]

ngl i kinda teared up reading this. I'm so happy for your daughter and i can't stress enough how much i appreciate loving parents such as you. It's nice knowing that there are still caring parents that are willing to take the time to show that they're loved and safe. Can't say the same about my own, all they do is take care of the basic minimum but the love and emotional care has and won't ever be there. I've struggled with depressive moods for the longest time and haven't been feeling all that great lately, just entering college and all, so seeing this brightened my day a little. Best of wishes for your daughter and family ❤

[@kathysue9890]

​@@mookiessI hate to say this to you, but I am 55 and it does not get better unless you get treatment.. I went into the mental hospital last year due to a toxic workplace. Please reach out to counselors in college.. Patrick tahan teahan, Dr. Kim sage are great counselors online. I went no contact with my parents when I was about 25 and realize they were never going to change and talking with them cause more harm than good. I wish you the best.

[@almandinefox5160]

My God, your daughter is lucky to have you. I'm 21 now and I went through the same stuff but didn't have a parents I could talk to. Blessings

[@RendaJane]

@@almandinefox5160 We desperately need better mental services and better access to those services especially for the challenges we all face on some level throughout adolescence. This is heartbreaking. I hope you are able to get the support you need. 💙🥰

[@criticaloptimist]

I really appreciate Bruce’s sympathy yet firm acknowledgment of right and wrong. Kids are truly dumb, their brains aren’t fully formed. I imagine she has had her own trauma. A kid doesn’t just stab a sibling out of nowhere.

[@clusumruptor]

I bet you're right. That didn't just happen out of the blue. She probably had been experiencing violence at home for quite some time, if not her whole life.

[@cjhenline]

As a child, me and my siblings didn't have a great home life, and as the oldest, I was often put in the position of caretaker for my 3 younger siblings. I can absolutely promise you, this didn't just happen out of nowhere. Something spurred the onset of those feelings and something else triggered her into action.

[@tmtb80]

Psych meds

[@user-kv1hy3vu1k]

Big reason why they can’t make decisions on surgeries that will affect them forever! Their brains are not fully developed!

[@catboi1188]

Why?? This scumbag helps get criminals lighter sentences or off completely smh 😒

[@michaelorsini9695]

I lost my only son Sean (21 years old) to suicide 5 years ago today. I love how you always compliment your son. Cheers from Canada!!!

[@ajfergy5569]

if you dont mind me asking, what was sean like?

[@ryanreeves5441]

I feel for you. I lost my mom to suicide when I was 6 years old. That was 32 years ago and I still think about her everyday.

[@beffis1980]

I’m so sorry for your loss! It’s so hard for a parent. Sending you love honey

[@michaelorsini9695]

@@beffis1980 Thank you!😀

[@Opticaldelusionist]

My heart goes out to you I lost Levi to suicide 14 years ago he was 25 . Just no words for the sadness .

[@zappababe8577]

Did I understand you correctly, Mr Rivers? That you lost your wife when your son was 6 years old? I am so sorry for your loss, that was a terrible tragedy for you and your children. It increases my admiration for you, because you must have built up your practice whilst being a single father. You've obviously done a good job in bringing up Michael, as he has become a talented cameraman and from your kind words about him, you obviously have a close relationship with him. I can only imagine your daughter is successful and happy as well.

[@crochunter35]

She took her own life.

[@catnip202xch.]

Man it’s so sad

[@J-man1017]

I had no idea

[@keithfan8947]

OMG, Mr. Rivers I will say a prayer for her tonight. My wife tried to take hers 2 years ago but is doing OK now. Just OK but I'll take that any day.

[@alonzopharell7397]

​@@crochunter35 that makes me think about that scene in the Devil's Advocate with Keanu Reeves 😢

[@zzzroxyzzz]

This whole thing takes me back, at 14 I was told that my school mate and friend at the time stabbed and killed his 11 year old brother. He served 20 and is out now, but nothing was the same for any of us after that, it rocks the entire community.

[@Duma39]

How is he doing now? Is he living a good life?

[@zzzroxyzzz]

@@Duma39 no idea, last I heard his parents bought a house away from people so they could have some peace but I have yet to see him pop up anywhere

[@KwameSteward]

​@@Duma39not sure why his life would be good that shot would kill me mentally everyday for the rest of my life

[@Mntungwa77]

Damnit 🙆🏿🙆🏿🙆🏿

[@teresathayn5170]

Here in Louisiana it's illegal to leave your kids alone with anyone under 13. This child's probably got too much responsibility on her young shoulders. Don't force your kids into adulthood too soon! Childhood is precious and we only get one! I love this officer's kindness. ❤

[@andersondawn3631]

Parentification is a real thing. This girl was made to be a mother to her younger siblings probably for as long as she can remember. Combined a shitty upbringing, ptsd and any other psychological issues left untreated this poor girl and her siblings were failed.

[@MrSqurk]

Fuck. I got my first car at 12 haha

[@jamishiariley-tq9vy]

I live in Ohio and it is not illegal to leave your child with a 10 yo. The reason I know this is I have 6 & 8 yo grandchildren and my son said when the oldest turns 10 he will be watching his sister after school. Hopefully by that time he realizes 10 is too young to be home alone let alone babysit his sister. I don’t know where my son got this idea because I never left him home alone until he was 15 and he never watched his younger siblings they were in daycare.

[@elettramia6380]

@@jamishiariley-tq9vyagreed. I also live in Ohio. My oldest is 11 and my youngest is 8. For our 11 year old she and We as parents have enough confidence where we can leave her alone for a few hours when it’s necessary. She also has a way to contact us the entire time when she is home alone she will text us just to see how everything’s going. She knows all the emergency protocols etc. However we would NEVER leave her to be the responsibility party to watch over our 8 year old! Talk about a disaster waiting to happen! Young kids should NOT be responsible to care for an even younger child, EVER!

[@ronniekregar3482]

she's 12, not 6 lol

[@heavymetalmusichead4969]

When there's a situation like this where a kid is the victim and another kid is the perpetrator, I don't feel like there is any justice. Just unimaginable heartbreak.

[@mamapetillo8675]

So well said. And such a good observation. There’s no happy ending, no “closure”.

[@allyxander]

So true. That poor family.

[@Chi-town1369]

It's pretty much the parents losing both of their children. Truly hear breaking

[@UnKnown-fi7gf]

This comment right here💔💔

[@gointothedogs4634]

From comments above, the 12 yr. old was a victim of something herself.

[@carlin2212]

I am not a father, but hearing how calm the officer was being with her cries and pain breaks my heart. Honestly, amazing officer. We need more of that

[@nikkis7375]

It’s nice when they do their job and do the bare minimum. We don’t see that often lol 👍🏼

[@GodisKen]

@@nikkis7375 it’s not their job to be soft on a child, could just be cold and people won’t like that 🤷‍♂️

[@user-uu1hv8nv6i]

​@@GodisKen 😢

[@bec7839]

I bet that 9 year old had more cries and pain than HER.

[@GimpBarbie]

I love watching good cops work. A lot of police work is actually more like social work in my opinion. A lot of police officers are patient and kind and just want to help people. We just, unfortunately, hear more about the megalomaniacs.

[@tiffymcconkey]

The officer was so amazing with her and trying to calm her. As a mom, this is heart wrenching. I just want to give her a hug

[@TeddyBear-ii4yc]

Well she's not the enemy. Police get a lot of stick but the majority of officers are people, if you follow.

[@maryannswanson3832]

As a retired elementary teacher I can see this scenario as a 12 year old left in charge, and a 9 year old that does not want to listen to her ! As she tried to tell him what to do, he starts yelling at her, she doesn't know any discipline techniques and she freaks out and stabs him. It's such a sad situation all around.

[@momof1576]

Especially if they are both neurodivergent. I have a neurodivergent child. I keep the sharp objects locked up.

[@MimiDidi121]

True! My brother was 13 months younger than me. We were left alone after school at 11 and 12. We fought like cats and dogs!

[@my_name_is_rhyme]

I'm so glad you pointed out the "mood shift" being normal, bc everyone always says shit like they know how theyll act in a situation like this. Literally you can't be sobbing for 6 hours straight, at some point you'll calm down and speak normally, and like you said, she'll likely go back into sobbing soon after. Your brain literally can't be in that state for so long. Most times ppl end up in shock and go numb. So ... Ya

[@kyqueenn]

This bc a close friend of mine passed a couple weeks ago. As soon as I got the info I was confused for hours. Until it dawned on me then it was absolutely hysterical. Couldn’t even keep saliva down if I tried. Going into shock feels like a crazy time line of events that don’t add up at the same time. & it was similar the day my dad had a major stroke. First few hours I was silent gathered info, made sure everyone was good, then broke down the next day. The mind is a crazy thing.

[@lisabrady9083]

Brain doesn't stop developing until the age of 25...God love all those folks involved ❤😢

[@finallythere100]

Wow no excuse. She’s 12. Spey but in my youth 8 and so many other fires my age babysat families of 5 and 6 young children - just about every weekend . Of course kids vary and all but so tied of hearing excuses. She knows right from wrong. Not judging her but commenting on so many treating her like she’s below the age of reason •,

[@liz8935]

​​@@finallythere100She is a minor child. She doesn't have the mental capacity as would an adult. All of this kiddie imprisonment is ridiculous.

[@moonasha]

@@kyqueenn when my dad died I got the call while I was on the way to a final exam (college). It was just like... oh... ****. Then I went on to take the exam, go back to my dorm, and play videogames. I don't think I cried for even a month, because the whole thing just didn't feel real to me.

[@staceyshaffer180]

I’m 62 now, I’m the oldest of 5 kids. Growing up I had to babysit all the time when my parents went out. One night I was giving dinner to my siblings and we didn’t have enough milk for all of us. Two of my younger sisters starting arguing over a glass of milk and one stabbed the other with a fork in the shoulder. I freaked, ran to the neighbors to get help, it was very traumatic for us. Kids don’t think about the consequences of their acts.

[@ucrazymonk3y]

How old were you and siblings during the fork stabbing incident?

[@Yo-6495]

Thats a lot different than this situation, everyone was asleep except her then she got a knife and stabbed her brother to death. A 12 year old knows what a knife will do to someone, especially since kids have access to real violence via the internet or through simulated violence via video games and movies. I feel bad for the brother not her.

[@lllOnSlAuGhTlll]

@@Yo-6495 i get where you are coming from. i remember when i was a kid me and my little brother would fight all the time. one time he got so angry he ran at me and knocked me out. when i woke up my mom told me i had a knife in my head. both of us dont even know what we were fighting about and we laugh it off today but watching this vid reminded me of that day..

[@Yo-6495]

@@lllOnSlAuGhTlll It’s normal for kids to fight. But at the time everyone was asleep when the 12 year old stabbed her little brother. It would be a little different if they were fighting and she knocked him out or something, but she is bigger and stronger than a 9 year old so I can’t see why she’d stab him unless it was for pure evil reasons.

[@BillyJoeJimBob28]

This family isn't well. One comment suggested the lil brother tortured/killed her kitten. If she was cutting herself as well, she had some serious issues already. Lil bro Could have caused her to Snap! Jus sayin.

[@dustinschaffner7870]

I could not imagine having to tell my 7 year old son what you had to tell your son. My condolences to you and yours. Keep the videos coming, I learn a lot from your videos.

[@DrAlexisM]

This is the most heartbreaking situation for everyone involved. She’s cutting at the age of 12 and has impulsively killed her brother in a moment of severe fight response. Based on professional experience, this is obviously indicative of a past history of trauma (CPTSD). I hope a very good trauma specialist explores what she’s been through to experince such intense trauma. I truly feel awful for everyone involved and echo your empathetic sentiments. Thank you for this careful analysis. 💔

[@xXDeathMelodyXx]

I agree. I have BPD and CPTSD and I’ve been cutting on and off since I was 9. This is absolutely horrifying. Such a colossal loss.

[@emmathomson2584]

All of these kids were let down by their parents. They lived in a home where violence was deemed appropriate and this poor 12 year old girl had way too much responsibility put on her. Parentizing (turning one of your children into the parent of your other kids) is a form of abuse. Period. I hope they can get this girl some help & get her in a new place ❤

[@DrAlexisM]

@@xXDeathMelodyXx Thank you for sharing. ☺️ I wish you healing and hope for the future. I have found parts work therapy (I.e. Internal family systems, etc.) to be incredibly effective, alongside targeting deep rooted abandonment wounds and insecure attachment with a trauma-informed therapist who is well versed in attachment theory. Also, whilst this isn’t for everyone, psilocybin therapy is incredibly effective for trauma-related mental health diagnoses including ‘bpd’. Amongst many other benefits, it helps with suicidal feelings, depression, trauma responses and reduces sensitivity to rejection. And above all, remember how strong you are- you’ve got this 💪🏼

[@ericapierson-way213]

An article said her father is a white supremacist, her step father is in prison for torturing cats, and her mom is a recovering drug addict. I'm certain this girl has been through some shit.

[@notme2day]

Most kids who self harm have a tendency to hurt themselves and not others in my experience. Can't imagine what the family or this 12 yr is going through coping with this.... it's heartbreaking.

[@MiracleChips]

As a father of a daughter and son of similar ages, this is absolutely devastating to consider. My heart goes out to all, a horrible tragedy.

[@johnsbeerbreath]

Not sure I would be good going on after something like this. Insane.

[@GAMEoVIDZ]

That mother needs our prayers.

[@democratsarepedos]

Basic NPC response 🥱

[@piercedsnowflake]

​@@democratsarepedos Which one was the supposed NPC comment?

[@lauracortes7720]

@@piercedsnowflake expressing empathy=being an npc I guess lol

[@jmal529]

I read a little about this case and the family, and sadly, they really had some issues. The little boy who died's father was jailed a few years back for torturing a kitten to death, and while incarcerated, beat another inmate so badly he was left with permanent brain damage. Unfortunately, she may not have had the best influences and role models around her

[@user-uu1hv8nv6i]

😢 poor girl

[@G-host0069]

Psychopathy is hereditary

[@ellaella5537]

Oh no. That’s awful

[@EarthIsNotFlat]

mom sounds like a real winner. one of the most important decisions a woman makes is whose genes to carry forward to the next generation. when they choose badly? let’s just say… suboptimal outcomes are to be expected. While everyone insists on telling her ‘it’s not your fault’ i don’t think that’s entirely true.

[@francinesanchez5402]

Ew. Wish we could delete comments like thsj.

[@charlesvon155]

Oh my god hearing the mother describe the scene is absolutely gut wrenching. From the description it sounded like her daughter hit a vital vein for that much blood to cover the area that quick & for him to begin to start falling in & out of consciousness that quickly…

[@casey7187]

Oh man, this one is heartbreaking for literally everyone. Pay attention to the mental health of your kids espically at this age.

[@carolwilliams894]

Also, don't put the responsibility of watching siblings at such a young age.

[@casey7187]

@@carolwilliams894 I completely agree!

[@s.v.2796]

This is painful to watch. The policeman was so gentle. His saying "cross cross applesauce" shows his awareness of a 12yr old mind. Edit: I'm always suprised at the responses- sometimes delighted with the cleverness, some make me want to slit my wrists. I'm probably older than all/most of you. When I was a kid they simply said: Sit down cross legged. Our teachers expected us to have intelligence. There was no pandering to the lowest denominator. I learned the phrase from my adult granddaughter's teachers. When I volunteered in the classroom (in the days before covid was the excuse to ban parents from schools) the teachers would say criss cross applesauce. 😘

[@westsailsmusic]

When I was in school they called it sitting ‘Indian style’. Is that no longer a thing?

[@thatvalensteingirl]

​@@westsailsmusic Saying "Indian sitting" went out of style sometime in the 90s because it was deemed insensitive. It was replaced with tailor style and criss cross applesauce. Showing my age; I remember being in school in the early 90s and hearing Indian style frequently, it might have been a slow, sweeping change, or happened regionally and took it's time getting around.

[@letterslayer7814]

@@thatvalensteingirl everything is insensitive nowadays

[@lasmirandadennsiewillja9435]

@@letterslayer7814 They say it went out of style in the 90s. I know nostalgia is a strong drug so please brace yourself: it hasn't been the 90s for a couple of decades.

[@jayeharrison4533]

I noticed that too. He was gentle.

[@lcolsen22]

Hearing the mother's relief when the cop told her that it was looking good for her son. Hearing her talk about "losing both my kids tonight" and knowing the outcome of this story. It's just devastating.

[@scorlin7516]

Did he died?

[@DaChosen1_220]

@@scorlin7516yes, unfortunately he did die.

[@DaChosen1_220]

When she said “losing both of my kids tonight” is definitely heartbreaking 💔 to know in the end that he passed and she did end up losing both of her kids in one night I couldn’t imagine the feeling. She lost one to the system (basically) and the other to a horrible crime committed by her own daughter! 😢

[@scorlin7516]

@@DaChosen1_220 thank u for the reply... it is super sad

[@Bound4Earth]

The losing both my kids part points to deeper issues. I think she knew the child was struggling with mental issues and kept forcing her to babysit a baby. I think she gave up the moment she found out about the incident she was possibly partly responsible for. Especially when she said they don't get along that great. Then why force her to watch him? Again, CPS needs to be on her and do a thorough investigation. The daughter is not innocent, but I also think she is a victim of child abuse and neglect from the mother.

[@jacobcaraccilo4143]

Thank you for being so mindful in your videos. It always annoys me when I see people acting like children are fully developed and well adjusted adults. People are incredibly complex and children have the same amount of complexity added with a complete lack of experience to what the real world is like and how actions lead to consequences. This child learned an important lesson in the worse way possible, and while she isn’t blameless, acting like she’s some cold blooded monster is to completely forget what it felt like to be a child ourself.

[@inalaska1208]

Ironically people will also act like a 19 year old is a baby child unable of being held accountable and actual childerns are adult

[@2goblinsinatrenchcoat]

@@inalaska1208 everyone is an individual and they develop at their own rate. Just because someone is over 18, that doesn’t mean they’re an adult in any regard except for the legal sense.

[@maxdugan211]

A lot of adults are not well adjusted and never will be.

[@sc00b3rt]

Wow. Lying to the mom about her son being good and in fact he is dead is horrible. I could not imagine thinking he is fine, then finding out he is in fact dead.

[@maxdugan211]

They sequence of the tape is off.

[@maxdecphoenix]

that's sorta how they did me the morning my dad died. I was certain he had died after 17minutes of doing CPR. I knew deep down that that was way too long to do CPR and the person not have any effects. However shortly after getting to the hospital some doctor met with me and said he was stable and things were looking good. They were organizing a transfer to a larger hospital. So I'm like, damn I guess he's going to pull through it afterall. So after being told he was 'in good condition', I return home to go to work. (living paycheck to paycheck then). probably 40 minutes later, I hadn't even left for work yet, my brother calls me from the other hospital to tell me they have him in ICU, he's braindead and they're wanting to pull him off life support. I drove across town and met with the ICU "nurse" who was, unquestionably, the most disinterested, compassionless human I've ever encountered. Like I still find myself, years later, replaying our discussion and wondering how this person chose healthcare. Like you gotta, at some point, care about others to go into healthcare. This woman just simply didn't. It was a paycheck. Just a callous person. I'd have just rather been told things didn't look good, off the bat.

[@nuttybutty9028]

More than likely they thought he was able to be saved at the time until the officer was informed he was dead

[@ienjoylife]

My brother and I had a horrible sibling rivalry. One day when we were in our teens, it just exploded. We were both in the kitchen and almost simultaneously opened the kitchen drawer and pulled out two big knives. I don’t know what would have happened, but our mother walked in, hearing the commotion, saw us holding the knives, let out a shriek and we both stopped, dropped the knives and realized how out of control we had gotten. We never fought like that again, but if our mother hadn’t walked in, we might have very well been in this girl’s shoes. Just to give an idea of our home life, there was no violence. My parents wouldn’t even let us watch “The Three Stooges”, since they were worried we’d emulate them and hurt each other. These things can just explode in an instant, no matter how good anyone is raised.

[@yellowbmblbee]

In the end, humans are just animals...we try to say we're a 'civilized' species, but look around....the real animals have us beat. They don't kill out of greed, hatred, jealousy, power, etc....they kill to protect their young, protect their territory or for food.

[@julesthecat.]

My twin brother and I did that shit too. I have no idea why we pulled knives on each other looking back but we totally did. We would fist fight, one time my brother pushed me into a window and it broke we were absolutely bruuuuutal to each other 😂 Honestly my heart breaks for this girl. I came to the video expecting some emotionless child not caring about what happened but quite the opposite.

[@apriljk6557]

@@julesthecat. my twin brother and I never pulled knives on each other but one time I grabbed and squeezed his nuts to get him off me when we were fighting. I got into a lot of trouble for that one and feel horrible about it still.

[@walkyourdog6584]

Kind of a sad story. Do you get along with your brother now that you are both adults?

[@savannahgary6351]

My 12 year old brother had come home from his very first karate class and decided to teach me, his 11 year old sister a side kick he had just learned. Welp, I aced that kick...only right into his crotch, on accident! He flipped out, grabbed me, kicking and screaming to the bedroom window (2nd floor), and was shoving me out the window when my mom arrived, jumped on his back, and desperately tried to prevent him from finishing the shove. He was in an absolute blind rage and I was frozen in fear. Fortunately, when he flung my mom off his back (yep, he did that to mom), she landed closer to me, grabbed my wrist and between us clawed me back inside from where I was partially dangling out the window. He snapped out of his rage and when realized what he'd done, joined mom and me in the hug while we cried. That turned out to be his first and last karate class, along with strict instructions to let my dad (in the military) teach me some defensive fight moves. Late 60's now and still can recall those moments, even though it wasn't near the last fight as he had a tendency to use fists on us 3 younger siblings on the regular.

[@ldisch2476]

This case exemplifies “the 30 seconds you wish you could get back.” Unfortunately, impulsive acts can have terrible consequences. Thank you for your thoughtful breakdown of the situation.

[@mewho6199]

30 seconds? How long did it take her to get the knife, wait for her brother to go to bed, walk all the way downstairs, enter his room, walk to his bed, and stab him? Longer than 30 seconds I'm guessing. This was not a crime of passion. It was premeditated.

[@geoffshaw8053]

Thats why bruce rivers says its doesnt do any harm to walk away from a confrontation.

[@AleisterCrowleyMagus]

@@mewho6199 exactly. This family has a history of problems with. Iolence as well (dad is in jail for vicious violence). The girl is only twelve but this was a premeditated attack on a sleeping child in his bed.

[@oogaboogass]

​@@mewho6199 fr she sounds like a manipulative psychopath

[@endlessglizzys_.0233]

Agreed acts out of anger. When you are angry you make bad decisions. This is what has happened. She woke the mother to tell her and told the Cops. Saying sorry that seems like it was a moment of anger.

[@Heckofaride]

One of the best parent books out there is “The Teenage Brain” it gives a scientific perspective on brain development and reasons kids do what they do. This case is sad but as a 12 year old, depending on life experiences, trauma and such, no child would be able to comprehend the severe consequences of the situation until it’s talked about afterwards, if not taught coping skills early. I am not saying in any way shape or form it’s the parents fault, as even parents are brought up differently and what kids are exposed to these days is COMPLETELY different to today’s children. My heart breaks for all involved in any situation like this one.

[@brettsinclair3550]

Try kids as adults - one of many areas where we can improve.

[@MsNeonDion]

I think the best part of this channel is that it is just a father and son supporting each other...

[@Rachelshmachel63]

You know he has daughter right ?

[@maryrhudy9250]

I have to give the officer an A+. He was kind. He didn't badger her with why did you try to kill your 9-yr old brother. He was calm and polite. I bet he's a father, too.

[@annylaurie422]

She killed him

[@HiroThatDude]

Audit the audit viewer here

[@annatanneberger1]

My father wouldn't have been so sensitive. The "Greatest Generation" wasn't a kind generation. What makes this officer's demeanour so wonderful is that he was probably brought up that "kindness only makes boys soft." That it is a negative for a boy to be sensitive.

[@caseybrown4360]

⁠@@annatanneberger1 what are you even blathering about? How would you even come up with how the officer was raised? I would suggest you find forgiveness for your father. Resentment will really take a toll if you don’t fix it…

[@annatanneberger1]

@@caseybrown4360 My father died in 1979 and my mother died ten years before that in 1969. I had the good sense to nevertheless work hard to build a career and save so that I could retire without going hungry. So I have had decades to come to terms with what happened in my life. Here are some insights: 1) The true meaning of forgiveness is to refrain from taking revenge. (I never took revenge on anyone; was just too glad to get away from bad people and recover and get on with my life). I was able to take insights from it, so that I could know to treat other people better. 2) Avoid pseudo-Christians and pseudo-psychologists who admonish you to excise a substantial part of your life as if it never happened and gaslight you into believing that forgetting part of your life is healthy. 3) These admonitions to "forgive" (forget about it and never mention it) are usually quite aggressive, so it probably has something to do with themselves, things they hope others would forget about them. So that is how I can "even come up with how the officer was raised." I now know that humans are capable of kindness and goodness and gentleness, despite how they were raised. Not everybody. But I speculated that this officer had that capacity, regardless of how he was raised, and that there is a statistical likelihood that he was raised to be tough (which is an essential part of the father's contribution to childrearing), but that nevertheless he could find kindness and compassion for that distraught girl.

[@angelachristina]

You're not just a brilliant lawyer and storyteller. You seem to be an awesome, empathic and warm hearted father aswell.

[@marthawoodworth]

But may have grandmother issues, lol.

[@flowerjpotter1629]

​@@marthawoodworth Indeed.

[@Timbo6669]

I dunno…that Michael bloke seems a bit off. The lighting is all off. The colour gamut he chose is jarring.

[@terryKessler42719]

@@Timbo6669 What’s wrong with you? Are you perfect?

[@Timbo6669]

@@terryKessler42719 do you know what a joke is?

[@michaeljohnston6856]

This is one of the saddest cases I’ve seen. I hope she gets the help she needs and finds peace.

[@kelly-bo-belly]

I really appreciate your perspective on these videos. Your empathy and compassion is always really grounding.

[@beffis1980]

I truly hope that her math teacher that had cancer that came back the day before this happened hears what she said. He obviously was somebody important to her for her to mention him at this time. For whatever reason he made such a huge impact on her life. I hope whoever you are, sir, that you have fully recovered from your cancer and you can continue to touch children’s lives in a positive way while teaching.

[@upaige911]

😢 I agree

[@tammycosby4495]

@hunterham9414have you read any other info about the girl? Her mother is a former junkie. Her bio-dad is a hardcore criminal member of the Aryan Brotherhood. Her stepfather is in jail for the torture death of his other daughter’s pet cat. Neither of those guys are the father of the 3yo brother the the girl talks about being with his dad. She herself had some mental issues. She’s been on and off different medications. She’s a cutter. She was homeschooled for a while due to her behavior at school. What she did is not ok but she is 12 and her whole life has been totally F’d up. The way everything played out is tragic but it’s not surprising that she finally snapped.

[@aurizzistic]

Probably was the only person in her life that paid attention to how she felt. When you grow up in a single parent home you WILL be emotionally neglected at the best. Someone should of caught her mental illness and you do not leave your mentally ill child to look after a baby. She stabbed a 3 year old 3 times.

[@Duma39]

That story came out of the blue don’t you think? Almost like she’s trying to convince the cop she’s a good kid. 🤔

[@michaelmoran2125]

​@Duma39 let's be real she's a 12 year old going through the typical teenage emo cutter bs. She's got no concept of any of this. Shes smart to the point where maybe she'd try the system. But it's a Black Sun that shines for this will never leave her. Well be dead and this will haunt her.

[@JinbaHGS]

I always appreciate Bruce's compassion. He's right that this whole family was just destroyed and nothing will ever be the same. There is no "correct" way to react, and there are no guidebooks that explain how to move forward from something this senseless. Anyone who can look at this situation and make a judgment call is clueless and cruel.

[@Yo-6495]

I mean, that is a judges job to literally look at a horrible case and make a judgement. It’s very sad but she needs locked up, if she is willing to kill over something minor imagine something major happening to her. Would you want her to be around your kids or family members? I certainly wouldn’t.

[@NineM_YorHa]

Not as cruel as her killing her brother. I would absolutely understand if the parents don't ever want to have anything to do with her. Let her rott in juvi or a asylum. That's what I would do.

[@garlord43]

I mean yeah the correct move here would be to get the girl mental health help and possibly have her incarcerated in a youth psychiatric facility where she can do therapy and be given the right meds to stablize her to a normal societal standard and recondition her to life

[@Milkyway109]

@@NineM_YorHa just you play your games and leave the judging to someone else

[@NineM_YorHa]

@@Milkyway109 let's see how you react when your child murders someone

[@algae_]

That girl is in for a world of hurt as she gets older. I'm talking into her 40s and so on, as she looks back on the last memory of her brother being what she did to him. Frozen in time, gone forever because of her. If she has a conscience it is going to destroy her. I don't even know how to feel about her. Just sad. RIP to the brother.

[@bunny-oh6ol]

feel compassionate towards her. she has a conscience. she is a 12 year old child who was raised around incredible violence and abuse, and most likely suffers from some pretty severe PTSD + other mental health issues. yeah, this is going to follow her forever, and will likely never feel okay to her, but at the end of the day, that’s a child. it’s obvious she isn’t a monster, though. she didn’t plan this or really even truly want to.

[@algae_]

@@bunny-oh6ol don't care. What she experienced was nothing close to what she did. I was abused non stop too as a kid, would never have done that.

[@algae_]

@@bunny-oh6olmy bad for the confusing second response, I thought this was another thread about the little girl who stomped the baby. My point still stands though that I have no mercy and very minimal understanding for this girl.

[@harryparsons2750]

@@bunny-oh6olcompassion? She’s a murderer! People are blind by youth. She’s probably a sociopath

[@Platinum907]

@algae, yes 😞. I think of horrible things that I said & did when I was very young… especially to my brother. You are absolutely correct.

[@GreenEyeSkies]

14:11 the officer was so calm and collected. Props for him caring enough to calm the girl down

[@Bess9779]

I came home from work one day to find my 12 yr old son had stuck my 14 yr old daughter in the thigh with a fork while they were fighting over a piece of pie. He was in the bathroom throwing up, she was still on the couch with a fork in her leg. I can see how the story in this video happened. I'm not sure why people come down harder on a child than all the real criminals & child abusers out there. I hope all goes well & grace is applied to the whole family. My appreciation to Bruce for understanding the child's age.

[@BaDazai]

WTF, your child had to sit there waiting there with a fork in them waiting for you get home? Did you leave them alone with no adult supervision? 😶😶😶

[@izzyyt1]

@@BaDazai 14 and 12 years old is completely reasonable and very legal to leave unsupervised. 14 and 12 year olds get HIRED by other people to babysit kids all the time. Like what?

[@karama5562]

@@BaDazai you sound so ignorant right now.

[@Bess9779]

@@BaDazai They got home from school an 1 hr 15 before I got home. This happened 5 mins before I got home. Thanks for your self righteous judgement. I was a widow w/ no child support.

[@BaDazai]

@@izzyyt1 perfectly fine? Look what happend and they didn't have an adult to assist them. I can imagine thr pain and fear they had when they were alone and hurt, all alone. They're still kids.

[@taniaABal]

Children should not have to carry the burden of taking care of other children. Let kids be kids.

[@aheimdahl5201]

Exactly.

[@mondoseguendo6113]

💯

[@LaLisaUbdee]

This must be staire. Wtf so a 12 year old should be allowed to kill me with no consequence? Hey you can be killed by a 12 year old if you want but me nah. Even if the kid is 5 at that age his parents should face consequences. I feel that ages 7-11 are when kids should start facing legal consequences. Depending on how consious the child is of their actions.

[@Jordan-nw4sj]

​@@LaLisaUbdee Obvious troll is obvious. They didn't say any of that.

[@abebuckingham8198]

@@LaLisaUbdee Children aren't capable of fully controlling their actions until puberty. Charging children between the ages of 7 and 11 would be monstrous.

[@lorindaflores1639]

Thank you for your kind and sensitive reaction to this tragedy. It’s absolutely devastating. I appreciate your insight into a 12yo mind.

[@Movie_Monsters]

Bruce, I really appreciate the empathy you bring to these devastating cases

[@Chrissy_h]

As she hits different milestones in her brain development, she is going to go through the grief process repeatedly. This is a lifetime sentence for her already. And mom will physically lose two kids if she doesn’t get the psychological help and therapy she needs, especially if she’s already cutting. My heart breaks all around for this family.

[@adox8574]

This video is full of comments like yours and it makes me loose hope in humanity. I boggles my mind your focus and empathy is directed at this girl who murder her 9 year old brother. Actually insane 🤡🤡🤡🤡.

[@00700556]

100% correct

[@Yo-6495]

The parents are to blame as well, why did they not get her help if she not mentally healthy, also why would they leave her to baby sit if they know its causing so much distress to her? It sounds like the mother was trying to cover herself by saying “they didn’t fight” then saying “they didn’t get along well” how does that work? You don’t fight but you hate each other, doesn’t add up at all.

[@adox8574]

@@Yo-6495 The parent is 100% to blame as well. Do you think there is a father involved ? Probably not…. The mother seems to be covering for her. She is trying to blame the medication she took for ADHD that she hasn’t taken in a year. On top of mentioning she was fine right before.

[@wendybt7474]

No if shes a little phyco

[@beaudarcey9586]

Bruce, this is random, but I want to thank you for being the first youtuber, to show 'reaction' videos, without over-acting in a cringe way. Almost every other 'reaction' video on the internet consists of people enjoying their own reacting face being in the frame in a narsasistic type way often, and you frankly, you do that 0%. It's refreshing, and I just wanted to pay you that compliment.

[@adrienneclarke3953]

100 percent agree.

[@saramomo7927]

👌🏻

[@jamba622]

Or else they over dramatize. Bruce states the facts and explains the legal implications without the clickbait titles etc

[@amrickdhillon1283]

That's the difference between a 'professional' vs someone who is professional

[@Ronald-qd9bj]

Bruce I just wanted to say I'm so very sorry for your loss, you are a good man and u did great as a single father. I wish you a great life with your children and family.

[@pjj.5649]

My mother used to stay on it with me and my siblings. She would tell us, straight up, you don't want to hurt nobody, you don't want to kill anyone or do anyone harm. Harm. And she repeated it over and over again. True. My oldest sister made me want to take a table saw to her, but my mother reminded me, that's not the way to handle a problem with her. With her. I'm glad I listen to my mother closely, because now I don't deal with my sister at all and it is wonderful!

[@nuckingfuts3017]

A child who doesn't curse, wouldn't all of a sudden curse like this especially speaking to her mom..... There's some secrets in that home... Clearly

[@sharonwilson8208]

There's something wrong if she's into self harm. As a child, even a young woman, I had a problem with self harm. That little girl was in overload and someone hurting her. Self harm is a huge red flag.

[@godislove4540]

The step-dad (Levi Lyda) killed a family cat prior to her mom marrying him. 🤦🏼‍♀️ He also beat a cell mate so badly, he has permanent brain damage. Clearly, a catch. 🤦🏼‍♀️ He’s clearly a psychopath and has shaped who this little girl has become. Cutting can be a sign of Borderline Personality Disorder. Hard to say definitively as we can’t assess her but something was going on with her mental health and she was not being provided with any mental health treatment. 🤦🏼‍♀️ Poor parenting and poor decision making.

[@user-zh8gd3gd6u]

@@godislove4540 I never knew any of that wow thanks for sharing

[@leneo1731]

@GodsLove Do you know for sure thst she didn't get any mental health treatment? I was cutting myself as a young girl, too. No treatment. But I didn't kill my little sister. I just feel like it's a pretty far jump for most people to kill another human being, especially a child! Most people with serious mental health issues who cut themselves and harm themselves end up killing themselves. Not other people.

[@violeteels4823]

I think it’s presumptuous to think someone was ‘hurting her’. I’ve been and known people who self harmed that mostly had mental health issues or it was a cry for attention not in a neglectful household, but just as an individual. The majority of people like this do not harm their younger siblings (which I had three). So there truly needs to be more research for mental health in children and teens. Thoughts and prayers for this family, I hope we find out more in depth as this case continues!

[@annylaurie422]

Her mother is blaming a manic episode

[@broadwaysam8405]

When you’re 83 every hurtful word you’ve ever said, every incident where you were a bully, everything you forgot even happened years ago, comes back to haunt you and by that time, the people you owe amends to, are long gone.

[@ShebrewQueen]

Deep

[@debicaron6046]

AMEN

[@sharonroller8849]

Good insight, it's a shame we don't understand that at the time .

[@BobbyBobby-gr8he]

It's called life

[@valeriemacphail9180]

Even at 63! Definitely at 70! Deep remorse sets in later in life, except for psychopaths who die untroubled by conscience.

[@sarahvansant1224]

I feel so sad for that girl and her entire family. What a tragedy all around. I really hope she gets some help and is able to forgive herself and build some sort of life later on. I grew up with a lot of mental health issues. I was never violent towards others, but I self-injured and did a lot of crazy impulsive things out of emotional pain that I’d never do as an adult. I get how something like this could happen with a kid and I don’t think it makes her a monster for life.

[@bamahammer3660]

As a former police officer, watching this video brings back memories of similar incidents that I had to investigate. The entire incident is extremely stressful on the officer as well as the family when children are involved. The key for me was to keep everyone calm as I documented my report and not to show any indication of judgment or disapproval from any side.

[@pumibel1720]

I felt sick when the mom started to discuss the possible dynamics between the siblings after this event. She was trying to wrap her head around how things were going to be when her son came home, but she would soon learn that he was not coming home. It was hard to watch this all the way through, but I felt like I should because the people experiencing this tragedy couldn't stop it. They didn't chose the situation, but I chose to watch the video, and the least I could do was see it through. Bruce, I am so sorry to hear about your son's mom. That had to be one of the hardest times of your lives, and you seem like a good dad.

[@TheRenaissanceAmazon]

💯

[@Leefuentes5058]

Great perspective!

[@kelsielovesbbu]

Be careful with doing that to yourself. I have the same exact mindset and had it for 15 years. I already had PTSD at that point. Let me tell you... I will not watch stuff involving the r*** or d*ath of a child ever ever ever again. I fucked myself up by seeing too much. Heed this warning for your own sake fam.

[@pumibel1720]

@@kelsielovesbbu Thank you for your concern. I try to be sensible about what I watch. I have my own PTSD triggers that I avoid as well. Best wishes!

[@GingerNinja1]

Excellent break down of this entire tragic incident. Prayers that this family will be able to heal through counseling. 🕊

[@blueatlantic2823]

So incredibly sad. Thank you for your sensitive and sensible reaction.

[@spoobini]

I know the cops have the right to lie, and it was crucial for the mom to be playing along with thier interrogation strategy, but when they told the mom "hes breathing, I just spoke with the doctor its looking good" after talking with another officer confirming hes dead. That sent a shock up my spine

[@katharinanikol4206]

What, he was already dead as the one officer told her, it's looking good by now?? That's beyond any ethical tactics imo^^

[@alliekoza5814]

Agreed

[@kricachula7546]

That's the order in which WE were seeing the footage. It's possible it's out of order here, or they were two different officers with 2 different bits of information. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@TJones4L]

@@kricachula7546no ma’am, the officers already knew at the time of speaking with the mother, they are speaking in the police station, everyone outside of the family is already aware of the boys death

[@stephanielafever7680]

Do they have to read minors Miranda?

[@tonivergara5725]

This is the first time hearing of this tragedy. But how stable could she really be, being only 12, on & off meds with a history of cutting? And who knows what else she was dealing with. I took her repeating "I don't know what happened" as I don't know why I did it. Or even not realizing she was stabbing him until after that last stab. I don't know, but some meds can really screw with the mind. I hope all get the help they need...

[@beanybabyrabie]

I cut at her age. I remember being her age. She should never be released. She’s dangerous and sick.

[@beanybabyrabie]

She hadn’t taken meds in a while. It’s an excuse. She’s a manipulative killer. She knows exactly what she was doing and even tried to get rid of the knife. Disgusting

[@stephanieburgess8217]

Anti depressants change how the brain processes things and it actually increases feelings and thoughts of children and really children should never be on anti depressants. These drugs are far too dangerous.

[@lob1248]

She doesn’t seem to be doing so bad conversing with the cop. But that’s neither here nor there. Her mother is irresponsible for leaving her to care for two siblings like the girl was the one who decided to be pregnant with kids she cannot properly care for.

[@lob1248]

@@beanybabyrabie disgusting? Her mother is disgusting she’s just a minor who was left to care for adult responsibilities. A child is just that, a child. They can’t vote, drive or drink and they should not be taking care of adult stuff. It’s the mother who’s responsible. She probably did it on purpose bcz she resented her siblings bcz she couldn’t have a normal child life, at 12 and taking care of other kids. Nonsense

[@patriciagoldsmith8667]

So heartbreaking. My oldest had issues and started threatening her sibs with knives when she was 12. We kept her supervised. Grateful she made it to adulthood with everyone safe. She finally learn to control herself.

[@D.Whitman-hd5cs]

Did she get an😢y kind of mental health treatment? That stuff doesn't just go away.

[@patriciagoldsmith8667]

@@D.Whitman-hd5csWe tried getting her help when she was younger. It didn’t really help. No one wants to label a child as dangerous. Professionals sugar coat serious mental illnesses in children too often because they are afraid they will ruin the child’s life. I spent years afraid to have knives in the house and not leaving her alone with her siblings. She finally took up with some boy who seemed able to handle her and help her control herself. It was a huge relief when they moved far away. I know at one point he placed her in a mental health facility. I hope that helped her.

[@chrislawyer8376]

My heart goes out to this poor girl. Being a girl raised by a single mother and taking on the overload of my parents choices and having to take on the role of babysitting my siblings. Born and raised in Tulsa! I hope she finds her way. When you mentioned suicide it broke my heart. It's definitely something as a mother now that took my breath away. I hope she sees she's still worth fixing and healing. I couldn't imagine her pain. All of their pain. Thank you for putting it into words most people can't understand. I'm subbed up to your channel for sure now!!

[@ClearwaterKB]

When the officer told her to sit "criss cross applesauce", I knew he had the compassion to treat her as the child she is. This situation broke my heart. The brain doesn't mature until age 25, some say closer to 30. She doesn't have the capacity to understand the l9ng term consequences to her actions. I hope she gets the treatment she so desperately needed as evidenced by her scars from cutting.

[@josephswann3759]

She stabbed a 9 year old, her own brother, 3 times in the chest until he died. 11 and 12 year olds can be super conniving, I was able to sneak my mom’s stick shift out at night when I was 11 and I knew if a cop caught me I’d be dead and I knew I could kill someone but at the time I trusted myself to drive the vehicle anyway. At least an adult from a rough background, doesn’t have an excuse, but it can be understood how and why this would happen. What is this 12 year old girl from a good family’s excuse for this besides, she’s evil? She only thought of herself and what will happen to her the whole time (sociopath) and I’m not convinced she didn’t cut herself recently leading up to this event as part of an act. 12 year olds are capable of such a thing, they are. And while you and everyone is always advocating compassion for the worst criminals, not even one “RIP” for her brother in any of these comments….

[@deadmanswife3625]

People's brains mature at different rates some people die before their brains mature some people are born an old soul. Wise.

[@melt2947]

@@josephswann3759Well..until they find out how old those scars really are, why don’t you reserve judgement? You’re assuming nefarious intentions even when the child has harmed herself. Most psychopaths are emotionless, or obviously fake in remorse. I don’t see either in her. I could be wrong, but this child is panicking, she’s sorry and I suspect she’s had a psychotic break. Maybe I’m wrong, but this is my instinct. It will be interesting to see what facts come out as this case continues. The poor mother will never get over this, and the poor little boy..wondering why his own sister is killing him. It’s tragic.

[@penispensar9071]

@@josephswann3759and had you killed someone while driving, we could also call you an irredeemable, evil psycho kid, especially when you said you knew it was a possibility to kill someone. But you are obviously not psycho or evil. It’s almost like making snap judgements like that is stupid.

[@kayfrances8979]

@@josephswann3759your comparison to this young girl and yourself is comparing apples to oranges. Evil children are born evil. Even her own mother can’t understand this and said that she has always been a good girl. In my opinion, you are way too quick to judge!

[@daghetnie]

That officer is a great example on how to act, much respect for him. I’ll pray for all involved, what a tragedy 😢

[@keithfan8947]

GREAT point, he should be an instructor to teach other officers about dealing with kids trauma.

[@LD86]

That officer deserves a medal and two weeks off with pay for how he handled that situation and that little murderess.

[@mrtambourineman6107]

The foul language from such a young girl ! Outrageous really

[@user-uu1hv8nv6i]

​@@LD86 yes your right l feel sad for girl why she did this to her mom

[@user-uu1hv8nv6i]

​@@mrtambourineman6107 yes poor girl

[@rich925cal1]

That intro about “words can’t express how painful it feels to see the suffering of a child” .. I never quite knew what meant until I took my youngest baby girl (1 yr old) to get her shots recently and was surprised at how badly I was crying along with her screams 😢 it hurts to see the little innocent child who you love so much express that amount of pain, I cannot fathom how I’d feel if this happened to me in this video

[@akirathedog777]

New dads be like "damn that lil girl stabbed her brother?? It's tough! Just last week my kid had to get a flu shot!!"

[@ellendickey4769]

School? Going home? Family? Friends? Grasping for any sense of normalcy. I hope she receives medical attention soon.

[@lauriejordan2716]

I’ve worked in both Adult and Juvenile court for years. I have to say this police officer showed so much kindness and compassion. The youngest I ever had was a 10 year old. It was her second time stabbing someone. I refused to even drug test her. It’s wild how young children are committing serious crimes now a days.

[@danalvarenga8354]

Lol she did it TWICE!!!?? Jesus.... lol thats what happens when you have zero consequences....

[@Dbb27]

Why would you decide not to drug test her?

[@robocu4]

@@Dbb27 I guess he thinks that because someone is not an adult they shouldn't be drug tested after committing a violent and atrocious act such as stabbing someone lol

[@Dbb27]

@@robocu4 I would think it in the childs best interest to be drug tested. Maybe the parents were giving something they shouldn’t have or she was on a drug that caused erratic behavior. 🤷‍♀️

[@DamiaanvdBrink]

​@@Dbb27and then what, put the drugs in jail?

[@themacedonian188]

A 12 year old cannot look after a 9 and 3 year old and the house. So sorry for this family but she didn’t need to be in the situation she found herself in. What a mess .

[@gabrielgalaxygh]

It happens all the time. My older sister would watch us all the time and shocker she didn't stab us to death. Stop with the damn excuses

[@themacedonian188]

@@gabrielgalaxygh So you want this young child to burn in hell ,right ? Get out of here .

[@sharonsmith8504]

The sad thing is that we don't know what happens behind close doors. I feel so sorry for her and her family. A lot of parents don't want a child talk to a therapist about anything because they don't want their "dirty laundry aired out to dry". Even if the child needs it. The cuts show that she should be if is not already talking to someone. I have mental mental health issues and their is still a big misunderstanding about it and "just get over what ever is wrong with you. Everyone goes through it ".

[@dandymcgee]

So sorry for your loss Bruce. Thanks for sharing your reaction and story.

[@KMango370]

I teared up when she said her mum will never kiss her again, and it's a reminder that even though she committed such an awful act, she's still a young kid

[@adox8574]

Blows my mind how people see this and their first thought is to empathize with the girl who murder her little brother. I am sorry but there is something really wrong with you. The funny thing about that video is that girl did nothing but talk about herself and the consequences she would be facing and nothing about her brother. Very revealing to who she is as a person.

[@faint8984]

@@adox8574 thats what im saying shes 12 not 5 she knew what she was doing i have 0% sympathy

[@hoopyRJ]

@@adox8574 My dude she's a child-- are you genuinely incapable of discerning actual distress in a child? Because this kid is pretty clearly freaking the fuck out, has no idea what she's done, why she's done it, and what is going to happen to her. This is a child. A scared, confused child. She's done something.... ABSOLUTELY unforgivable, and she does not know why AND she is coming to terms with that with the brain of a child.

[@thetruthdatedr.4766]

You people are nuts. Having remorse for a 12 year old killing her brother. Wow. You’re not an idiot at 12

[@dougfoster445]

@@adox8574 u find that difficult to believe? That people empathize with a child? Well then ur beyond understanding. Ur right

[@susan49c]

This is horrible for that child. When I was 11 my parents were drunks and they stayed in the bars. I babysat and cooked, cleaned, washed and did everything that a parent would do for my younger brothers and sisters. I even got up in the morning before school and made breakfast for me and my siblings and got two of them ready for school. It was my responsibility to cook for my siblings and that included breakfast, lunch and dinner. Dad went to work ( self employed) and mom stayed sober enough to watch my two youngest siblings until I came home from school. Around 3 or 4 dad would come home from work and then he and mom hit the bars until closing time...2:00am My siblings were 7, 6, 2 and 1 at the time. So yes a 12 year old could watch a 2 and 9 year old sibling. But should they? That's really the question isn't it. I tried to commit suicide and when I was 14 I ran away from home. Obviously I didn't succeed but the way I felt was the reason I left home the day after I graduated and never looked back. I kept in touch with my sisters and brothers and we now get along fine. At least those of us who are still alive.

[@ragepig1059]

Same, I was also abu*ed and used like that. The single mother apparently using her as free labor while she is CUTTING is the real perp here

[@jadepaulsen8456]

Tell me, if you don't take offense, but did that turn you off alcohol for life?

[@shannoninalaska]

Too bad other family didn't report them, or one of the bar patrons where they went every night. You might have ended up in foster care where things could be even worse though.

[@amandatolleson7740]

😥🙏🏻

[@shirleyhughes1455]

So sad

[@joebournat]

This is heart wrenching! Portrays the police in a very different and sympathetic light. I don't know what is more difficult a gun fight with a felon or dealing with a child like this who has messed up!

[@RetRNmamawMe]

My heart to all. Those involved with this situation… and to you Mr. Rivers. The worst moment of my life was when I had to sit down with my 2 kids, daughter- 7 & son- 14 to tell them their dad had suddenly passed of a massive heart attack.

[@howru8497]

This is such a tragic case all the way around. The parents lost 2 children in one act. Thank you for walking us through the process.

[@patricknez7258]

I agree I cannot imagine how the parents were processing these events especially in the moment. It's hard to fathom for me

[@Yo-6495]

Sounds like the parents didn’t give an f, they put her back on meds that had adverse affects after she had been off of them for a year. Also she had been baby sitting a lot, i’ve been in her situation and its messed up that the parents didn’t either hire a baby sitter or send them to an after school club, heck even letting a family take care of them would be better.

[@JinbaHGS]

"We're going to sit criss cross applesauce, okay?" Just really drives home what an insane situation this really is.

[@jaimestewart8295]

😂 yeah I caught that too!

[@addsquirrel2171]

That stood out to me as well … really hit home that it’s a kid.

[@larissa_7729]

Same 😢

[@Jen-cc9xk]

Must be an American thing, I've never heard it before. What does it mean?

[@abebuckingham8198]

@@Jen-cc9xk It means sitting cross-legged.

[@MercyOnMySoul]

Her first concern was whether she would go to jail and not about her brother being dead. She was concerned about stabbing her brother, killing him, causing his death is a criminal act and that she would get in trouble for that, and not an ounce of remorse or regret for killing her brother.

[@drago2drago]

This was a super intense video but I think it's also one of my favorites for the emotional complexity of it all and how sensitively you handled talking about the case

[@kimwhatmatters4085]

What’s crazy is that parents only have little girls act as babysitters of their siblings. Little boys are seen as too irresponsible to have such responsibilities usually. It robs a lot of little girls of childhood and may become a push overs that worry about everyone else before themselves

[@talltayls21]

Oh my GOD, I’m not sure exactly WHY, but hearing her talk about how her math teacher had cancer so he missed a bunch of time, and how yesterday was his first day back and she had a new found liking to math because he returned…. man, that cut extremely deep to me. This is an incredibly heart-breaking, traumatic, just overall gut-wrenching situation. No matter what way you look at it, who you’d sympathize with more or less, no matter who’s eyes you look at this through (moms, brothers, or sisters) this is one of the most devastating things I’ve ever seen in my life.

[@DomGuam]

I mean, i get that level of emotion but I think the only way to look at it from is the brothers perspective. Imagine being brutally stabbed to death, by someone that’s supposed to love you unconditionally. Having even a shred of sorrow for that kid I think is the wrong way to look at it. Stabbing someone to death is incredibly personal. I don’t care how emotional she was after the fact. She grabbed a knife, and plunged it into her sibling. Don’t let her free so she can stab my future kids or friends.

[@BillyJoeJimBob28]

​@@DomGuam I saw in the comments that her lil brother might have killed/tortured her kitten... (not sure) But that could def have triggered an impetuous attack by his troubled sister. Also who says brothers & sisters should care about each other unconditionally?

[@beanybabyrabie]

She’s a sicko.

[@carieevans3787]

@@BillyJoeJimBob28 It was the boys father who did that, not the boy. The boys father is in prison.

[@ssj4rit]

@@BillyJoeJimBob28 stop smearing the boy’s legacy until you check your facts. It was his dad, not him.

[@MassBorn]

Your definition of this situation, if I may say, was brilliant. The whole picture, the idea of final consequences etc was really well said.

[@kimhaughey9161]

There's so many channels that don't get the stop, comment start viewing, right to the point of it being unwatchable and annoying. Somehow? The way you do this is fab! Got totally hooked. Thanks for sharing. Subbed👌

[@gyberic]

As a dad of three kids under 10, I'm struggling to even watch the arrest. My brother died from a fentanyl OD three years ago, so I know what it feels like to lose someone you're very close to... but I just cannot imagine the pain of losing one of my kids, especially at the hands of one of my other kids. Absolutely devastating to even think about

[@joaniefoxworthy7120]

Losing someone you love is very very hard. I lost my son and NO parent should ever have to go through that kind of pain. Im very sorry about your brother, any loss is hard. Losing both you're children the same night like this mother said is very hard to even start to understand. Prayers for this family xo

[@Thiccness_Is_Delicious]

Your better then my grandpa he didn't shed a tear when my dad died despite the fact he was only 68 when he died.

[@Ashleyyy414]

I'm a mom of 2 these same ages, and I was near shutting off the video at a certain point. I would've been losing my mind.

[@Mntungwa77]

‘’….losing one of my kids, at the hands of one of my other kids’’!!! Now that landed somewhere on my soul and really hit different!!! Profound!

[@valerie362]

You're so compassionate. I really appreciate that you explained the girl's perspective. Children are self centered (thank you all for the better wording) by nature, it's how they survived back in caveman days. Their brains aren't developed to understand the gravity of death. She's not callous, she's a child. 12 is too young to watch a toddler/preschooler and 9 year old. I don't let my 13 year old watch my 2 year old grandson by herself. This is an absolutely tragic and heartbreaking situation

[@Secter84]

​@@Nahchomama I use to love doing that too...I use to use my own money too...I don't even understand why now. I was raised by women though (I'm a dude Incase that isn't obvious & there weren't any men in my family besides my grandpa but he got sick when I was about 8 years old with kidney failure as a result of diabetes from exposure to agent orange in Vietnam, and before that he was always at work so when I seen him during the week he would get home around 4 & we would eat dinner & he would either get on the computer finishing his work or be taking it easy watching TV relaxing before bed, I'd spend time with him on the weekends but it wasn't enough looking back) so I was extremely different as a child, I spent most of my time with my grandmother so I looked at things like she did for my time when I was actually still a kid in my mind, I grew up fast once I got to public school in 5th grade, before that I went to a private church school. As you can imagine I was bullied somewhat and taken advantage of until I got more jaded and realized not everyone was good.

[@DeathHelper420]

Well by the time my nephews was 12 they know what's good from bad. Like come on what kind of kids grabs a knife. No one I know in hawaii

[@mewho6199]

Children are not selfish by nature. Maybe you were. Maybe your kids are, but don't pretend that's normal to make yourself feel better.

[@tamikajohnson6910]

She wasn’t watching her brother. It was night they all were in bed. She stabbed him in his sleep.

[@PsychedOut..]

Whilst children may not be ‘selfish’ per se (kids show altruistic behaviours from the toddler years), they are inherently self-centred due to their undeveloped brains. That’s not to say they don’t love or care for people, nor do they lack the capabilities and desire to do nice things, they just have less empathy than an adult would have. They also have far less self control. Having said that, studies show that these things develop anywhere between the ages of 6-13, so this child would be on the higher end of that, therefore should have some development in these areas (obviously not accounting for disabilities and so on). Teens are, however, less able to fully understand the consequences of their actions and *generally* engage in riskier behaviours and are more reactive in their decision making. This is why often teens do things adults wouldn’t dream of doing and seem to not think things through.

[@eftyhiaperoulis5791]

Bruce I love that you are so insightful and kind❤❤

[@helentheresa1338]

I babysat at 12 years old three boys and I never stabbed anyone. I watched other kids too. Then when 19 a year after Graduating 👩🏼‍🎓 Started being a Nanny then when I had my first child started doing Child Care in my home for over 20 years. Boy time flies by fast. 😂 I hope this Girl gets help 🙏🏻

[@Indiartworks]

This is an absolutely heartbreaking video. When I first saw it, all I could imagine was the pain and loss this Mother (and the father's of both the daughter and her brother) must be going through. Not only did they lose their son this evening, but they also lost their daughter at least for a while. Moreover, they are losing all trust and faith in everyone, most importantly the people closest to them, lose all confidence they had in themselves, lose absolutely every bit of the reality that they had known until this evening. It's just tragic on every level.

[@Online_Lawyer_UK]

Dear Mr Rivers. I've watched MANY of your videos but never knew of the loss of your partner. As a father, I can not even imagine the pain of telling a child their mother s passed and my heart goes out to you and your family regardless of how long ago it may have been. Despite losing my father as a child, I can't imagine how I'd handle it myself now. But that was hard listening but so relevant. Thank you from an author and lawyer here in the UK. God bless you, sir!

[@brendataylor9276]

He loss a partner?

[@nicholespencer7436]

​@@brendataylor9276he said he had to tell his child at 6 years old that his mother was dead. So yes...

[@barbarah7089]

He is a strong person! He never had path with roses but he always do the best. Real inspiration 🍀❤️‍🩹

[@mdamico1909]

Listening to the mother and daughter scream in the beginning will make anyone’s blood run cold. Exceptional content. These videos can be heart wrenching but they teach me so much. Thank you for giving us the entire perspective, you have no bias and tell the truth. Do you teach as well? Or will you do that at the r.o.d. portion of your life? This video was tense, had to bring out a joke to break the tension. Something you excel at, read the room and timing!

[@malabuha]

I really appreciate these reactions, such a rational and down to earth outlook. 10/10

[@dakotafunnel5635]

This is so heartbreaking to watch. I have a 9yr old son and two teenage daughters and I couldn’t imagine what I would feel like if that happened. I hope the girl gets the help she needs and the family finds some peace.

[@Scrabble12]

The way that was phrased I thought your 9 year old son had 2 teenage daughters lol

[@UNSCconnor]

The only help she could get is in a psych ward. Lets be real here, there is no excuse for what she did.

[@denasewell]

@@UNSCconnor I am not so sure? Was she on medication? I would argue that thee must be some underlying explanation for a normal 12 yea old girl to stab their younger sibling something somewhere went horribly wrong. Either a minor child has a fully developed brain or they don't . Een a dog knows they have done something wrong it does not mean the dog fully understood the consequences of his actions before the act transpired and I think the some is true of a 12 year old.She should have consequences but she should not be treated as an adult

[@NineM_YorHa]

​@@denasewellrecently in German two 12 old girls killed their friend after they googled if they could get charged under German law. Can't tell me thes girls aren't absolut psychos that the world would be better off without them.

[@ictrlaltdeleteu]

@@denasewell uh at 12 you damn well KNOW stabbing someone is bad.

[@tamarevans9025]

I understand that she's only 12 years old, but she MURDERED her brother. She needs mental help and clearly needed it long before this ever occurred.

[@alandrake3635]

Long ago I was a supervisor at a juvenile home; runaway and shoplifting cases were common. One day I checked in a twelve year old boy who had just shot his mother and brother to death at close range with a 12 ga. shotgun. There was nothing in his demeanor that betrayed how he could have done such a thing. I still to this day marvel at his composure.

[@helenkilgo9332]

Bruce, you are exactly what the legal profession needs in the 21st century. Thank you for working so tirelessly for your family, community, and the wider world with your KZbin channel. Michael, your relationship with your Dad is inspiring! Thank you for sharing him with the world 🌎

[@ilovemytwogirls]

No he isn’t what the legal profession needs. I’m guessing you haven’t watched the Charleston White video Bruce posted. Bruce called Charleston a snitch because he called cps on a 11 year old rapper smoking weed and threatening to kill him.

[@catherinemcmartin8275]

@@ilovemytwogirls Hater, damn.

[@user-uu1hv8nv6i]

Ok

[@debbrown9365]

If my child or I was in trouble I'd want Bruce to be fighting my corner.

[@alex1vid]

I know it's about the victim, but I'm also thinking a whole lot about the officer here. This is so incredibly traumatic and heavy. This is a part of the job. Seeing people at the worst of their day. For one it might be not stopping at a stop-sign. For another it might be the absolute worst day of their life - their home was robbed or - something incomprehensible like this. And he's there, has to ask the questions. It doesn't just stay with the victim and family. It stays with the officer. The job these guys have... there wasn't just an adult being a terrible person. it's a 12 year old stabbing her brother. You never forget it.

[@themelonsoup]

Good thing the police can make a conscious decision to pursue that career

[@alex1vid]

@@themelonsoup Yes, which makes it all the more impressive. Because it's clear that not everyone is willing to - or has the ability - to handle it. Thanks for providing an example.

[@megkiely0128]

Loved your insight and caring way you explain how different our minds are at age 12. Sad loss all the way around 😢

[@karenlee-johnston7118]

As a widowed mother of three children- 14, 12 and 7. This whole situation breaks my heart! A child having a mental break resulting in the death of another child is so painful and heartbreaking! What a tragic story! Xxx

[@Levi-ix5es]

I've seen a lot of horrible things being on the internet my whole life... This sends chills down my spine, with the combination of the parents freaking out, the kid crying, the death of another child... This hurts to even think about

[@annatanneberger1]

Bruce: Your compassion for your kids is not universal. No. When my mother died (I was 14), all the adults rallied around my dad and admonished me to "be strong for you dad; he needs you now." And of course I failed as a substitute housekeeper. I was not allowed to cry or show my feelings, which had no name, like falling off a cliff in a nightmare.

[@imamuggle02]

I want to hug that officer and give him a raise. He was so sensitive and calm and I think what the girl needed at the time. This is a horrific situation for everyone. Props to that officer.

[@ozsomenurse]

It's so important to remember kids are kids and even if you think they can handle something or they think they can, if a problem arises they have very little problem solving skills. I raised my daughter alone and I still go over and over the things I wish I had been more tender about and talk to her about over and over and over. It's a hard world and they are still children. It warms my heart when I hear you talk about your children they way you do. You are an excellent teacher to remind us all how lucky we are to have children.

[@deenahoblit]

The mother has said that it appears to be a manic episode caused by stopping her ADHD medication. She didn't say which medication, but the child had begun cutting herself some time before and making unusual comments to kids at school. This is a very extreme reaction, but her response seems very natural. She seems to be describing a sort of dissociative break, but that alone makes me ask what else is going on.

[@1232lyft]

Orrrrr you have a 12 year taking care of kids she shouldn’t have to and isn’t mentally capable of . Parents don’t think of this sht . These parents are to blame and it’s a hard pill they’ll have to swallow

[@deenahoblit]

@@1232lyft there was never any questions that the parents were to blame to some degree, but it's also not that simple. My point is that things simply don't add up, and that child doesn't appear to be malingering or lying.

[@Nicole-ju3zb]

But it’s kinda of insane how much excuses are being for this girl, i didn’t have a perfect childhood either and I have seen quite a bit of violence and dysfunctional household with other younger siblings, but I would never even at 12 despite my environment stab my younger sibling to death what the hell

[@deenahoblit]

@@Nicole-ju3zb I don't mean to excuse it at all, but her behavior... I don't think she was faking. That's not normal even with kids that deliberately kill other people. She doesn't get a free pass, but I do think (especially with kids) that you have to consider what those behaviors mean. Maybe nothing. Maybe everything.

[@Hartleymolly]

K so look, i’m ADHD, since kindergarten. (now 35) AHDH, does not make you stab your brother in anger. I have not taken my meds, and I have, it’s no excuse, the crime..the crime is she was taking care of her brother, way to much..

[@angelicanavarro5311]

I, too, cannot imagine the pain of the mother to have to go through that. And how sad the daughter found herself in a state of mind that she had to start cutting. We have to accept the fact that people do snap. Bruce, you had an incredible amount of compassion with this. I had the same visceral reaction toward her action, but the more I watched the more I understood. I can’t imagine living with something like that-on either end. I especially sympathize with the mother and the amount of guilt she must be feeling. I would feel like an utter failure and then some. The brain is a dark wonder sometimes. 😞 I was trying hard not to cry. This was hard to see. But with a good lesson in compassion, something I’m still learning myself. Thank you.

[@dennistidwell7188]

Well written with a great deal of understanding and passion...

[@sarahjean3670]

I just saw on the internet (so you know it’s 100% accurate) that the girl had just been put back on adhd meds and the mom said the girl was cutting herself, which was why she was abruptly taken off the meds. I absolutely believe that her brain got messed up by medication. Not saying it was the sole cause, but it does explain a lot. Too much adderall can make you act like you are on meth.

[@abbigailcarr2725]

⁠@@sarahjean3670 she also was the secondary caregiver to her 9 y/o and 3 y/o brothers, having sole responsibility for them while her mom was at work. And she’s barely 12, she was in the 6th grade. The mom said herself sometimes they don’t get along, nothing major but they don’t always get along. I have a hard time believing this is a new arrangement. Imagine being 11 years old and caring for a 2 y/o and an 8 y/o. Or 10 years old caring for a 7 y/o and an infant. Imagine being 9 years old and having your 12 year old sister discipline you and be in charge and lay down the law and having a stand in parent relationship with you and you don’t think that’s fair bc in your mind she’s a kid too and pretty much your age. You’d probably lash out, not listen to her, challenge her authority, give her a hard time. Bc that’s natural and developmentally appropriate. But then imagine being that 12 y/o who didn’t ask to be put in that position of authority yet you have to keep control of the house while keeping constant eyes on a toddler. Your brother won’t listen to you and is giving you a hard time constantly and you’re barely functioning, you’re depressed have ADHD and are self-harming. And through all that you still need to care for a toddler. And your mom comes home and blames you if your brother didn’t listen you to, if any household chores didn’t get done. And with ADHD med withdrawals plus severe depression, it would actually be quite normal to have some psychosis in that circumstance. That’s not even considering if this was the onset of undiagnosed schizophrenia. And she is a child. Wouldn’t a lot of people “snap” under those circumstances? These ppl making comments, “oh someone stabbed their brother, death by firing squad!” Are just reactionary, they have no ability or desire to critically think about what would drive a 12 year old child to stab her brother. “They know it’s wrong at that age” so what, then, would cause her to do that? There’s none of that. I don’t understand what they have brains for if they’re not gonna use them.

[@abbigailcarr2725]

@@sarahjean3670 and I feel bad for the mom, she probably was put in a position where she was a single mom to 3 kids and never expected to be, trying to hold down a full time job or maybe two jobs, and barely providing for your kids, there’s no way you can afford daycare or a babysitter for them every single day. It’s very normal in the US for your oldest child to be your unpaid babysitter for your other children. It may have been how she was raised too, it probably didn’t cross her mind that this arrangement could do a lot of harm. She absolutely never could have predicted this outcome. But… I think she knew. She took on this super defensive tone when ranting to the officer, clearly upset, but it was almost the tone of a toddler or teenager making excuses… it just struck me as a very odd tone and I think she was thinking “oh shit maybe this dynamic between them of not getting along was what did it and maybe her having to take on a parental role fed into this violent attack.” And insisting she be at the house… like I totally get distrust of police. I wouldn’t trust one as far as I could throw one. But your son is in the ICU at the hospital and you wanna go to the house? I wonder what she was hoping they wouldn’t find. Could be yeah a little weed but I just wonder….

[@caitlin2126]

​@Abbigail Carr You can't get diagnosed with schizophrenia until the age of twenty five because that is when the brain is fully developed, most symptoms of it don't start showing until 20 I believe. But you ate whole heartedly correct, the med changes its self can cause problems. Even for adults it can cause problems, it blows my mind how these things can happen but I do believe you are correct. Even if an adult was in her situation caring for a toddler and an infant and having adhd it brings others with it like depression and anxiety, and all those combined into one with stress and med changes it doesn't surprised me she snapped, especially if she didn't get along with the "support system" she had....alot of people don't understand mental illness and it breaks my heart that people fall through the cracks like that....thank you for having compassion and empathy some of these comments break my heart.... I just want to ask them when YOU where that young did you know what death was? Did you understand the decisions that you made? Like...the only reason I knew what death was that young is because I had already buried my grandpa and an uncle. Like...kids don't have logic like adults do.

[@kristinaarends7104]

The officer with her is absolutely amazing! He should be training others in dealing with kids.

[@shadowthoughts7959]

Thoughtful POV: She's undoubtedly been given the "we talk out our problems; use your words, not your hands" lesson/rule before; she's old enough to be obedient to her parents and follow rules whether she understands the reasoning or the consequences or not; children younger than her have gone through worse stresses than math class or babysitting and not killed their sibling for it; I have Asperger's (same as Sandy Hook shooter) and was bullied, and despite anger and frustration, have myself yet to stab, nor has anyone I know. All in history children had roles in the household equivalent to adult jobs; standard chores, babysitting younger siblings, working fields and tending to livestock...Dangerous and strenuous and tedious work from single-digits ages to senior citizen with kids of their own across the centuries. She is in some way inherently broken and is a danger as a living person, like a loaded firearm without a safety just waiting to go off at the slightest brush with a trigger. Meds and therapy, sure, but not before punishment for murder. Zero Sympathy. Bruce himself in a video I recently watched made a "I've been through X and haven't done Y, so no excuse" statement...Well, we've all been 12. Who here has committed fratricide before, raise your hand!

[@debbrown9365]

So glad you made it clear that a 12 year old is going to think about her friends first. It doesn't make her callous because she doesn't ask after her brother . When my brother and I were 5 ( me ) and 3 were ""swordfighting" with my mums metal knitting needles . I accidentally poked him in the eye and he had to go to hospital. Both my parents went and i think my gran watched me 55 years on and I still remember that feeling of primarily being upset cos mum shouted at me( obvs) and thinking they wouldn't live me anymore. I never once thought he could die or lose an eye...he didn't. But I was the elder so I should have known better.

[@wiredvibe1678]

She's acting like how I expect someome who just realized they committed murder would act after stabbing their own brother with a knife.

[@clarissa8477]

Just tragic. One child taken away on a stretcher, the other in handcuffs. As the mother of both a daughter and a son, I cannot imagine making it through a situation like this.