Why EVs Are Piling Up At Dealerships In The U.S.

[@jonwasowski]

Prices are too high, and dealerships keep adding more dealership fees. It's ridiculous. On top of that, interest rates don't help.

[@nonyabizness8692]

That part about dealers and the mark up is real. They are literally killing demand.

[@shoobidyboop8634]

Talk to the dealers, they're very reasonable, they'll throw in some nitrogen-filled tires for $500.

[@ODK321]

@@nonyabizness8692 Yep and they are intentionally doing it. You really don't need dealerships but they have to figure out a way to stay in business and keep their jobs.

[@Funktastico]

No competition from Chinese EVs in US. Whereas Europe also terrified of cheap chinese EVs killing their auto industry.

[@EVANHIRSCHMANG]

There are Facebook groups that are dedicated to no markup dealers. May have to look around but some cars can be bought for msrp. As for interest rates those are going to be high for a while.

[@greg.anywhere]

Im not fond of Tesla, but I do like the fact that they've been steadily slashing the prices of their vehicles, and that you can literally order one straight from your smartphone. No haggling, no excessive unnecessary markups, you don't have to stay there all day, etc... I think its time we allow all automakers to sell direct-to-consumer and cut the middle man.

[@534N69]

Absolutely agree Direct to consumer is getting a huge rise in everything beyond just cars, look at how Amazon is doing it and they’re making more money by cutting out the middle man. Sometimes companies chasing profits isn’t a bad thing lmaoo

[@stockey]

Tesla is slashing their prices, because they can't sell their pieces of junk.

[@rav04o2]

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if I recall correctly Tesla slashed prices only to qualify for tax credits. In North America Tesla is only reasonable option for a primary car (EV) at least until others will start implement there NAICS plug. In my opinion other EVs are okay if you need commute/city car

[@bloodshed102]

My favorite part about tesla is there are no dealerships. You have a few flagship stores that allow you to view and test drive the cars, but even there there’s very few employees and all they do is direct you to a computer to place your order. They are there to answer questions and the bets part is they aren’t commission. I hope there is a future where all new cars are direct to consumers and we see dealerships at least for new cars disappear. I would rather pay taxes than go to any dealership. You are going to end up spending half the day there. Just imagine a world where you can casually use your smartphone or computer, build the car you want, remove add ons if it gets to pricy and then pay. All of this without ever having an employee nagging you. This is 2023 and dealerships are obsolete. Right now there is a pesky law protecting these dealerships, but it seems that teslas has gotten around it, and if we truly meet that all electric goal by 2035, that would be when we could finally rid ourselves of some of the most frustrating times.

[@wainwrights2744]

As long as dealerships continue to lobby the politicians in DC, this will never happen. The FTC just tried to pass a rule making it illegal for dealerships to lie about the price of a car during advertisements and the politicians in DC said leave the dealerships alone.

[@fordfairlane6580]

A major obstacle to EV adoption that is always overlooked is the inability of apartment dwellers to charge at home.

[@kikiandluca]

Agree! Not only that, most won’t get an EV without solar panels.

[@Batucadax]

I bought an eV as each apartment dedicated parking lot is able to install personal ev charger. Then they change rules and stop allowing installing because the building lacks electricity capacity. It's really a hassle to wonder around town looking for chargers

[@grben9959]

I think the assumption is that if you can afford $50k (on average) to drop on one you can afford a place with a garage.

[@cytherians]

We cannot. There's no facility for it. There's like 2 charging stations in the whole multi-level garage. They're planning to put in more, but it's slow going. Charging stations will be an issue for EV's for a long while. Hybrids are the way to go these days. Especially if they have passive recharging through regenerative braking and solar.

[@2004cyrus]

Apartment dwellers largely can’t afford their pet deposits much less electric cars. The chargers would be built If that was an issue.

[@jiangbian76]

The government isn’t fast enough to patch potholes on the roads. How could you expect to have enough charging stations.

[@danielgriffin8132]

Good point 👉 👈 👇 🤔

[@doublem6027]

Bullseye

[@gladiator_games]

And repair the charging station too

[@vanDeudekom]

Enough charging stations? For 100% EV? The answere is never, just never. Look at Toyota they make/work on a new clean combustion motor. 100% ev is a dream my friends, a dream.

[@miketrusky476]

When horses were replaced people said THE car would fail cause thwre was no place to get gas, they were a fire in wheels, who you gonna get to fix one. Peole would never be capable to handle the speed, and they dont run in the cold.

[@Armalite223]

A friend of mine pre ordered the lightning in Canada. 75k when he pre ordered, when they wanted to deliver 2 years later, it was 140k. That's why they are sitting at dealerships.

[@SubvertTheState]

Holy cow lmao

[@haywoodmorganjr1326]

BINGO! The dealers are the problem with EV sales.

[@orwellianreptilian2914]

@@haywoodmorganjr1326 you think the dealers want to price out buyers? whats wrong with you

[@Luckmorne]

I pre-ordered a Pro (45k). When my number came up all that was available was Platinums (95k+), I said no thanks I'll wait. 6 months later, my number came up again... this time only Platinums or Lariats available (75k). I just cancelled the reservation at that point. It's not worth it for the automakers to make the affordable versions for merely a decent profit when they can make the luxury trim levels for a ludicrous profit.

[@orwellianreptilian2914]

@@Luckmorne "It's not worth it for the automakers to make the affordable versions for merely a decent profit when they can make the luxury trim levels for a ludicrous profit." seems a flawed premise. comparing to combustion... why wouldnt they raise prices across the board (ie with combustion as well), if the intent was to price out buyers and or turn them off of the idea entirely? what am i missing? (besides the "eat bugs and like it" part)

[@Vekki99]

I’m surprised there was no mention of Franchise Dealerships adding obscene “Market Adjustments” to EVs during 2020-2022 where a $30k car turned into a $40-$60k car because of their greed. I signed up for a Ford Lightning only to have the dealership it was delivered to tell me I had to pay a $60k “Market Adjustment” if I wanted to buy it and if not someone else would pay it. Ford really lost me as a long time customer at that point.

[@noahcockroft6859]

These adjustments are still on the stickers in late 2023 BTW. Big surprise they're not selling when dealers are marking up cars 20%+

[@alexioflexio8818]

it's stunning to see how this directly impacted the ford lightening demand today. the dealers literally damaged the manufacturer.. and Ford allowed it to happen

[@The_Wuffler]

Those adjustments are not ford. That is the greedy dealerships. Several around me that has been honest and didn't mark up things. Also not enough people take the time to report these dealerships to the Cooperate offices which probably don't help either.

[@nascarpj5723]

I doubt Ford corporate has a choice@@alexioflexio8818

[@cosmoray9750]

One issue they are not addressing is the expanding and contracting of the ev battery. especially in a cold climate environment and the battery doesn't last as long.

[@bfbcping]

Thank goodness we have a relatable person like the owner of a Mercedes dealership to guide us through what we all want in a car.

[@aalvarez2914]

Even Mercedes EVs seem more practical than Teslas.

[@ScoobyFermentation]

He made me cringe

[@MrDan708]

Perhaps CNBC chose to interview a Merc dealer because many EV's are in the same price range as Mercs?

[@AmukaAkuma]

The most humorous is him whining Tesla selling directly to customers.

[@mygiguser]

Just ask Scotty Killmer

[@richtheking7157]

I rented an EV. The biggest issue was anxiety about the range particularly if you’re traveling to a remote location. Lack of charging stations is still a real problem and obsolete ports is a real issue as well.

[@cherb23]

The batteries are the issue. They don't hold as much energy as petroleum and they never will. Governments made laws saying everything has to be electric by 2035. The government is stupid and they will be forced to remove those laws. We will be burning gas forever.

[@jameylane1591]

Have that issue in a snow storm and you're dead.

[@AzphrinxOfficial]

that's a country's problem. Needs more infrastructure

[@nightshift7963]

I don't think they ever directly mentioned that for a lot of people paying over even $30k for a car is a non-starter. Cost of living is going up for a lot vs wages.

[@jordanrussell345]

This. No one talks about the EV elephant in the room.

[@davidstrong7854]

remember its the price of the car minus the gas plus the electric charge. minus brakes and oil change repair. Right now I spend about $225 on gas a month because i have a crappy commute. if I could charge at home would be about $40 a month. I need an oil change that might cost me $75 that I wouldn't need with an electric car. but it still has to be under $40k and get at least 300 miles range. so I agree , we still need a bit of improvement.

[@stephenwabaxter]

Lower cost EVs are coming. The Chinese have some interesting products.

[@npc2480]

@@stephenwabaxteryes they do but the US won’t allow it to be sold here due to nationals security concerns.

[@Bigmojojo]

​@@davidstrong7854 ugh unless they have some kind of jedi brake force, Tesla cars have breaks dude. And just like another breaks they will have to be changed eventually

[@dan203]

I'm shocked that the dealership owner, who makes the majority of his money from service, is against EVs that require almost no maintenance. 🙄

[@rlsedition]

Not no maintenance, just none for the motor. You still have tires and brakes to maintain.

[@That-Guy_]

Bingo

[@That-Guy_]

​@@rlseditionEV brakes last over twice as long.

[@MrBTRDAYZ]

Hahahahaha!!!

[@inconspicuous7464]

An EV is trash one the battery dies though a few years or weather patterns putting stress on the battery. No one offers an EV that can last 30+ years

[@badam1814]

The one thing the old guy said that is right is that Tesla’s vertical integration and direct to consumer model gives them a huge advantage. What he didn’t say is that the big 3 failed to invest in EV’s over time and now they are having to spend tons of money to catch up quickly but because of interest rates that can only sell those vehicles at a major loss.

[@TheBooban]

Dealership: That’s unfair!!!

[@jmlin501]

Remember they have to deal with UAW, plus not so smart CEOs.

[@sunflower2353]

I thought GM is the leader in EV?

[@jmlin501]

@@sunflower2353 Bolt and Volt were just side show for GM. It lost money in both cars.

[@Hotspur37]

@@sunflower2353never where and never will

[@JorgenRomeMojo]

We have the coldest winters in many years here in Scandinavia, some places they never have seen lower tempraturs in recorded history, and the EV's and yeah electric buses that we have struggles big time , the buses often take no charge at all. many EVs is also crazy expensive to repair.

[@idcashflow]

cant imagine if ambulance, fire fighter car has to doing their job in winter, not reliable at all

[@ronhaworth5808]

The biggest problem with EV's that few manufacturers have addressed is the availability of basic EV's. Do we really need all the high tech wizardry and plush luxury to drive 10 minutes to the store?

[@DrRemorse]

I know they could take all the tech out and just give us a car with no screen and juat electric drivw that is it

[@Laiquelleion]

During a transition from one technology to another you need to sell at prices which cover the costs and turn a profit. Piece by piece the prices come down as production adapts to the new tech. it never starts with the cheapest barebone version. Right now the traditional carmakers are behind when it comes to efficiency and production costs. That's the reason why tesla can keep cutting prices for their cars. Something the traditional carmakers can't do yet.

[@zekeaffy9647]

This is what I have been saying for a long time, its almost like only the rich and powerful are allowed to drive, meanwhile the working class gets f*cked over because they cant use petrol cars anymore.

[@dylanwebb2]

Chinese makers are making much cheaper EVs, they are focusing on them for the same reason many ditched sedans, people will pay more for an SUV. The people who would shell out 20K extra just to get an EV have now bought@@Laiquelleion

[@minigunner1218]

That’s because car manufacturers (with the help of regulatory bodies) have effectively priced the average American out of the new car market. New car buyers are so well-off that they look for more than just a car that gets them from point A to point B, and manufacturers responded to them by competing over things like luxury features and warranty benefits. The majority of Americans who have been permanently shoved into the used car market have no say as to what new cars should have.

[@Buwtz]

Part of the problem is the dealerships' greed, ridiculous, unethical price gouging, and consumers' willingness to pay 5K - 20K over MSRP.

[@Kay0Bot]

yea...those customer already got theirs. now dealers looking at the rest us and we're saying no with the wallets

[@martinkubos9787]

That's for new cars not all of them also ev is still more expensive

[@anubaral]

Dealerships never made money with selling cars(at least not in the past 20 years). It's about fixing them not selling them to make a profit.

[@jmckey]

They also all collectively refused to participate in improving the electric charging infrastructure the same way Tesla was. Almost as if they were incentivized to do so. Hmmmmm.

[@dlcmiamiinc]

Thep problem with greed is that consumers need to start voting with their wallets then dealerships will stop the markups but there will always be some idiot who will ruin it for the rest of us.

[@stevenhaas9622]

The real issue is that that manufacturers have aggressively targeted upmarket segments for EVs. There are not nearly enough EV options in the $30k range. Everything seems to be a $60K+ SUV. I thought Toyota and VWAG would hit the lower market segments hard but they just haven't.

[@aaronparraz379]

And let’s talk about maintenance cost and how about the process of recycling these battery’s that operate these car …

[@aghostinthemachine2877]

Toyota doesn't want to transition to EV. They know its a failure waiting to happen.

[@mshepard2264]

Look at GM they made the Bolt and discontinued it. This was after they Made the Volt which they also discontinued. Instead they are trying to push an electric hummer that weighs like 20,000 lbs.

[@AbcAbc-sp1od]

​@@aghostinthemachine2877Toyota knows what it's doing. They're smart with long term point of view

[@oscark1687]

@@aghostinthemachine2877 They are launching 10 EV models by 2025 and already have their first one in the market today - please tell me how this is not a transition to EVs....

[@jrstar1439]

I live in Texas and EV sales have never taken off. Most dealers don't even have EVs on their lots. Plus, until the price goes down there will be little to no demand in Texas. Texas isn't funding charging stations so if you have one your going to stay closed to home. Once you own one, you'll pay more to charge then buying fuel plus pulling over to charge is a lot longer then pulling over to fuel up.

[@ahavrilla9577]

It's easy to drive thru TX but may not be where you live? Usually do the N route but because of the fires around Amarillo this year took the S route from FL-AZ. Tesla doesn't need TX to fund their very reliable Superchargers. Plus it's less expensive than gas. I spent $230 on charging and gas would have been $300. Of course if you can charge at home it's MUCH less costly.

[@scrambler69-xk3kv]

We need small basic cars that are affordable for going back and forth to work or grocery shopping runs. But they do not want to build those because they want to build vehicles that allow them to double their money on each one sold.

[@davidc2838]

Even the best margins are only 20% Gross Margins. So...No. But absolutely there are many new EVs coming out that are smaller, more efficient and reasonably priced. China is leading the way there...but it's coming soon enough.

[@TimBryan]

Aptera can't start shipping soon enough! They're building a low cost EV for this exact situation.

[@johntheux9238]

Yeah, cause batteries are expensive so cheap EVs are not viable yet. Just wait a few years.

[@bighawk23]

​@@johntheux9238you're right aren't cheap. But useless things like touch screens, power windows and mirrors are not needed and manufactures won't remove them because of the profit margins

[@johntheux9238]

@@bighawk23 They are a lot cheaper than the batteries, they are just trying to sell you a battery for as much as possible, it's like frosting on a cake.

[@levonau]

This just feels like a dealership cry. They've had their run at gouging customers for unnecessary services and charges and it's now hurting that EV manufacturers sell direct.

[@williamhaynes7089]

dont worry Ev's need service too, and you will pay $200 just to have them plug in the diagnostic computer

[@vltruan]

Ev’s in the long rung will be more expensive. Electric motors, and batteries do not last forever. I can also see them being electrical nightmares. I stick with my old Toyota.

[@Onslaught707]

I've had 60k miles on my ev and the only maintenance was changing my cabin airfilter....

[@fredmaloon5956]

EV cant rib you off at the service counter which these guys has been doing. Some service advisors make 6 figure's for upselling

[@levonau]

@@vltruan 120 years old and still works. How will your Toyota be in 120 years time? kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqvOZ5SZhrRggbM

[@patricktimtiman7100]

Few weeks ago CNBC made an hour video of how car makers are shifting to EVs. Now we have this video. Amazing.

[@ericmark47]

Too much propaganda

[@MarkThevenot]

@@ericmark47 This is the propaganda. The first one was true, which is the reason for 'slowed sales.' Increased supply (because car makers shifted to EV production) is the reason autos are sitting on the lot. EV sales in 2023 are higher than 2022 and double 2021. The rate of growth in EV sales may have slowed, but not actual sales.

[@beau6113]

"content"

[@allergyahead8128]

One thing for sure plug in lies from the news networks will always be available .

[@RAZGR1Z]

@@MarkThevenot Nice cope.

[@pinecedar180]

I think part of it might be the news of $60k battery replacement costs

[@ahavrilla9577]

Where in the world did you get $60K from? The prices for battery are decreasing but currently: "How much does an EV battery cost to replace? EV battery replacements range from $6,500 to $20,000 based on the pack, size and manufacturer. If a battery is within its manufacturer warranty, typically 8 years and 100,000 miles, then you should get a replacement battery at no extra cost."

[@abacusexpress]

You notice it’s never mentioned the cost of battery replacement and how long it will take. It will scare off buyers.

[@Daniel-vs7qm]

Half a year minimum. 50k minimum

[@Moln0015]

No one mentions that batteries have to keep warm.. with heaters on the car. Which eat energy

[@ChanningChea]

This only happens 1.5% [cleantechnica] of the time and is a non-factor. This was a tactic and point used to scare people away from hybrids. Most EV batteries have a 8 to 10 year or 100,000 mile warranty. That’s far longer than any engine warranty on a car.

[@iceescape]

Also Tesla often won't cover battery replacements. Their warranty is pretty worthless. A Scottish couple was told they'd have to pay $30k+ euros to replace their new battery cause Tesla's warranty doesn't cover rainy roads, which their engines apparently are susceptible to.

[@Fraaankiee]

My shop charges under 22k for remand 90kwh for part and labor.

[@pareshmathew1596]

Yes, the good old Mercedez is the perfect dealership to do a topic on EVs and the average American household.

[@manuelsmiley7125]

Mercedes Benz is a mainstream brand, it's no longer exclusive

[@Kirikaahurpiita]

@@manuelsmiley7125 the brand still dont sell a "cheap" car or anything for someone of lower middle class, let alone low class. the cheapest new vehicle on the lot would be 40k (if its not already aold before it gets off the truck)

[@JJ-ki6sv]

They should have done Toyota, the leader in hybrids, but they already did a hit piece on them claiming they weren't making enough EVs, because Toyota didn't buy into the at times nonsense EV religion. The notion of treating EV driving in cities like long-distance drivers in the middle of the United States is unbelievable. Plug-in hybrid was always the correct answer. Rich early adopters in CA and other places were supposed to carry the weight of the transition to a new expensive technology, not push the insane cost on middle America. EV subsidies should have gone to bicycles if there were any at all.

[@manuelsmiley7125]

@@Kirikaahurpiita they are cheap expensive mainstream cars.

[@jussjess2829]

@@Kirikaahurpiita that average price for a new car anywhere.

[@anymous1838]

One thing I learned is never trust what a dealership says.

[@lancasterritzyescargotdine2602]

Lies pour off car dealer's lips like sugar from a bag.

[@johnnorvaisas]

And never trust our government they need to get out of the auto industry

[@wrotenwasp]

You mean the "Stealership"

[@mwar99]

Same could be said for Elon…never trust what he says either.

[@twentystwentythree]

Exactly. This Mercedes dealer owner guy is a joke.

[@bobbarker9556]

I just came back from filling up my Honda civic Total time at the pump, 2min 48 seconds. Another 3 minutes to walk-in pay and walk out. There was someone in front of me or it would have been even less time. My neighbour had to get an electrician, pay a few thousand to get the charger in his garage. Also, his home insurance went up because of the increased fire hazard. And on and on, these cars are a scam, these cars all start at about 10yrs away from the landfills due to the cost of the battery, ohh and where do the used up batteries go? So environmental friendly environment

[@garyz5456]

According to AAA, EVs often lose 12% of their range in cold weather, but the loss leaps to 41% with the heater on full blast.

[@iamnoone3767]

50% in Canada...

[@donn3336]

You should research this.

[@LJTEAM0723]

Absolutely right... HAD a brand new VW IDBuzz in Sweden in winter (this winter) and in cold alone, a loss of 15-20% range just due to temp and then have a 4 year old kid, obviously we cant sit in -10deg internal car temps.. put heater on full to defog, heat up and it drops exponentially... like crazy drop of 40% plus... absolutely not manageable. Couldnt even drive to the town without panicking... and then it needs to be plugged in constantly... costs an absolute fortune!! Sold it... never again will I waste money on an EV.

[@SuperDiljot]

That's cause you bought an ev from a brand that doesn't know how to make EVs, you bought one without a heat pump.

[@neonnoir9692]

Not only that, but in any disaster, natural or otherwise, you're screwed. If power goes out, you're screwed. Sitting in traffic, you're screwed.

[@amandeepsingh-te2fk]

I wish all automakers would sell directly like Tesla.

[@tomh1727]

But what would all the dealers do then who work hard all day to rip you off while not providing any value for the increased price

[@futureprimitive7465]

Ah capitalism @@tomh1727

[@gamingwitharlen2267]

They can't, U.S laws forbid that

[@angelaguilera600]

@@tomh1727they better find another job then. It’s time those scammers get what they deserve

[@eugenefirebird8938]

They could get rid of the entire dealerships, and just have a service center only.

[@jtarsidrake]

Mercedes dealership owner: "Its not fair that Tesla can sell directly to consumers to streamline the process and give lower prices." No wonder people prefer buying from Tesla when the attitude of the ICE dealer is 'we can't beat people we can't screw over'

[@xchopp]

Nailed it!

[@VeteranWayne]

I'll be happy if I never go back to another dealership again.

[@chudson4500]

Imagine being the guy who paid 130k for a Tesla only for them to drop the prices 30k to 40k the next year Yeah direct to consumers is an amazing no haggle process that can still screw you in the end

[@VeteranWayne]

@@chudson4500 I'd be sick 🤢 if that was me. But since I haven't bought one yet that price drop is very enticing.

[@mrdeebo313]

The problem comes when you need something done to the car and have to wait months to get it back

[@pixelboy7654]

Range anxiety? It is an actual range fact: An ICE care range has 300-400 miles with average use. An electric car has 160 miles with average use because people only charge between 20 to 80%

[@Geckogold]

It's a combination of things: -The sticker price, and dealer tacking on "market adjustment rate" charges to them. Dealers are terrified of Tesla's direct sales model, since it cuts them out completely, and why they're fighting tooth & nail in various states to prevent direct sales from other automakers. I have never met anyone aside from car salespeople who enjoyed the car buying/haggling process used at traditional dealers. -Automakers building the EV's much in the same manner/mentality as their gas vehicles. Tesla regularly gives you free over the air updates which adds new software, bug fixes, and updated maps. Other automakers want you to buy their latest model for that, and charges you for navigation updates. -Not everyone has a way to charge an EV at home. Until there's more DC fast chargers readily available for those folks who only have side street parking or lives in an apartment complex has a way to reliably charge their EV, they're less likely to get one. And frankly, DC fast chargers aside from Tesla's supercharger network sucks. Great when it works, but oftentimes it's broken or only charging at a lower speed than what it advertised. Or there's not enough of them, and people have to wait in line. This is why so many automakers are switching to NACS. Sure, EV's have a long way to go. But if they had that same 100 year time span that gas cars got, a lot of those issues would also get resolved. If nobody wanted electric cars, they wouldn't be selling, and companies like Tesla should've already gone bankrupt.

[@cybertrk]

If your house has electricity, you can charge at home… what people need help with is an easy way to get electricity to their parking spot.

[@lot2196]

They're outrageously expensive. So are ICE vehicles too. I'm holding on to my current vehicles until the wheels fall off.

[@markunwin2313]

Except if your home is not a single family detached. I don't see a lot of apartments installing chargers for everyone that would want one. Say my electric apartment Am I going to route a thick cable to wherever the car is parked, that may change every day?

[@danbrown7224]

Got to imagine what our great grandfathers thought about buying a gas powered car, did they have range anxiety about running out of gas and not being able to fuel up? I am sure there wasn't gas stations everywhere, were they thinking our 🐎 isn't going to run out of fuel? Unlimited range?, we are in the adoption period things will figure themselves out, I am long on ev, hybrid are cool but costs of repairs is a lot , still a lot of moving parts to brake down

[@Nabee_H]

@@markunwin2313 Thats something that would come with demand, just like Gas stations. I could also see Gas stations converting into electric vehicle charging stations instead.

[@alexandercole6991]

I’ll share my perspective here as part of the younger demographic. I’m a 29 year old, new homeowner making six figures in the midwest. I am still driving the car I moved in to college with (an old 2006 Jeep with 160k miles on it). In many ways I am the ideal customer for car manufacturers. I have no kids, little financial responsibility, and at this point in my life I find myself for the first time having a nice surplus of income. I am currently looking for a new car. Why am I not buying an EV? Right now, buying a new vehicle is clinically insane. The F-150 lightning is going for $80k. That’s twice the average American’s yearly income! Even people with a relatively high disposable income are getting sticker shock. Most of us are either holding on to the vehicle we have or looking at older cars that actually fit our budget. There simply aren’t “old” EVs yet. There isn’t a “bargain” EV for me to buy right now. The only vehicles that are sane to buy right now are older vehicles from like 2014 and even those feel like a punch to the face in the dark. I’ll also say of the new cars rolling out today, it feels like more than half the car’s MSRP is being determined by smart technology features. Feels like I’m buying a computer that can also be a car, when what I need in a vehicle to get me from point A to B.

[@TheoWerewolf]

Maybe it's also your preferences. A Toyota Corolla SE with most of the 'high tech' additions like smart cruise control and collision avoidance is just $23K. Unless you *need* a high end truck, why get one?

[@joewoodchuck3824]

​​@@TheoWerewolfI think he's saying he wants something in between to have a vehicle with more usefulness than a little car. As to the need for a pickup, I have a mid sized SUV that I can do quite a bit with. But for the times I need pickup truck capabilities, I hitch up my utility trailer. I paid $500 for a used one that's built like a tank. New ones cost somewhat more of course. Figure on an absolute minimum of $1K for a light duty model. Even at that I save a ton of money by not having an expensive actual truck. Many others could probably do the same thing. Unless if course they feel the need for a pickup truck as a status symbol. JMHO, YMMV, FWIW, etc.

[@boulderghost4457]

Buy the standard range Tesla model 3. No gas to buy, oil, tuneups, fan belts, transmission fluid, diff fluid, ect. Just new brake pads every 5 years. Right now you can get the $7500 fed subsidy off of the retail price of $38k , so $32k. If you live in California or Colorado you get state subsidies bringing the price to the mid/high $20k. If you can’t afford that, learn to wrench on your own car and buy a 10 year old Hyundai. Or make more money.

[@ZDM314]

@@boulderghost4457 And save your pennies for when that battery needs replacing. Because you can't get out of the cost of maintenance. You're just shoving it down the road later. lmao

[@onemoremisfit]

EVs have to be forced on consumers by govt mandate and coercion. In addition, generally all green tech must be propped up with public money (higher taxes) in order to be market viable. Then our current regime decides to exert even more coercion thru skyrocketing gas prices, which always damages the economy severely, and that's in addition to all the other willful economic damage they have committed. There are very few homeowners making 6 figures at age 29, relatively few at any age, most people are hurting and it's getting worse with all the economic damage. Most people are looking for a cheap clunker to get around in. Then the regime blithely suggests they buy an expensive and impractical new EV in response to the crushing hardship of sky high gas prices! Let them eat cake ... There will be no cheap clunker EVs. Once that battery gives out in a decade or less that's it, because the battery is very expensive to replace. It's not like a 12 year old gas clunker with an engine that still has plenty of life and with a little fixing up can be reliable transportation for somebody of modest means. And now the clunker market is skyrocketing as well by sharply increased demand. Car buyers are finding even the clunkers are overpriced. The bottom line is the regime aims to make personal transportation a lot less accessible to the lower classes.

[@michaelbaja1854]

Big expensive EVs are not what the market wants. The ideal EV is a small commuter. The automakers missed the mark....badly!

[@ai4px]

The OEMs have to make the expensive ones first to make higher margins. Tesla did the same with the S and X. The funny part of all this is that the OEMs gave a half hearted effort in the 90's and then just stopped. Total cost owndership of a model 3 is now on par with a toyota corolla after 3 years... just wait til the $25k tesla comes out. It'll be game over for the OEMs..... and they see it coming.

[@DeadAir21]

If what you said is correct then the Chevy Bolt and the Nissan Leaf should be the best selling EV’s in America but they are two of the worst. The automakers are matching Americans taste. We don’t drive small vehicles so it makes no sense to build a bunch of tiny EV’s

[@chrisgianettino1079]

@@DeadAir21the Bolt and Leaf are great… 10 years ago. GM and Nissan failed to keep up with Tesla and now they’re where they are.

[@Chrishousden24]

Not exactly true, Nissan has had the Leaf which was exactly that, a small commuter. It never took hold.

[@1flash3571]

Sorry to say that YOU ARE WRONG. Why do you think SUVs, and Trucks are one of the best sellers, and profit maker for dealerships, AND the Manufacturers?????? Americans want oversized boats and they been wanting that for YEARS......

[@Cladman3001]

EV's will never be a large sales item.

[@thenovine]

Hilarious to hear the Mercedes dealer straight up acknowledge that the dealership model means higher prices for consumers. Need to see more direct-to-customer sales. I don't go to a dealership for any of my other expensive purchases. Don't see why I need to haggle over my car.

[@jefferylebowski7355]

not only that but it was the big IC manufacturers that prevented Tesla from having dealerships in most states!

[@mauricioprado5189]

On his defense he looks like a smart guy and maybe he acknowledges these changes are inevitable. He already made a few bucks on this business so maybe he is not so concern.

[@14ariel77]

Tesla sales direct to the consumer and are the most expensive in the market. So???

[@maxoobbxxx8032]

Direct sales almost never work. It introduces a conflict between production and distribution within a single company. Dealerships are much better at gauging the demand.

[@normal_human]

​@@maxoobbxxx8032Historically yes. But now in 2023 things are way different. We can discover everything about a vehicle online. All we need following that is a test drive.

[@Shadow_Banned_Conservative]

There's also a big disconnect between what these highly compensated CEOs think and what the average middle class buyer thinks when buying a vehicle. Even us upper-middle class folks don't want to spend $80k on a vehicle.

[@nothing.mp3]

Not only that but a lot of people like myself live in an apartment complex where there's no way to charge your EV in your assigned spot. I cant run a charging cable out of my 3rd story window and down to my car. And there's only 6 designated charging spots for the entire complex. And you better believe I'm not spending an additional 45 minutes after work to sit at a supercharger station twiddling my fingers waiting for my iphone on wheels to charge back up. They're cool but incredibly inconvenient for anyone who doesn't have unlimited time and cash to throw at it.

[@kaio2212able]

Absolutely!

[@kaio2212able]

@@nothing.mp3 100 %

[@ato5037]

​@@nothing.mp3 There's also the problem of having to wait at a charging station because there might not be an open charging port. Add that to that 45-minute wait time...

[@3rnestito993]

You talk as if theres a difference

[@GenuineFlolie]

Tesla has about 16 days of inventory stock, in lots and in transit to customers. Its mostly a legacy automaker problem

[@mvcharisma]

Tell that to the people who reserved a cyber truck 5 years ago 😂

[@eugenefirebird8938]

Tesla is in a cult driven bubble. Their stock is at least 100x real value. They will fall to real value.

[@bgomers7]

@@mvcharisma 4 years ago... and I'd be much happier with a delayed CT than an f-150 lightning that has an obsolete charging port on board.

[@DarkBrandon1]

@@mvcharismaagain, there’s zero days of inventory for Cybertruck. Legacy OEMs just don’t build good EVs yet and they charge more than Tesla does for them.

[@obieWanmotivation]

@@mvcharisma Thanks for reminding me to cancel my reservation. 😄

[@timjeezyy]

This trend will continue. None of this should be a surprise. Did they really think most Americans would jump on the bandwagon that quickly? Most Americans simply do not want one, and many simply can’t afford one. People who want EVs already drive them. Why don’t all Americans want to drive these? Current electric cars are often expensive, have limited range, and take much longer to charge then to simply fill up a tank of gas. Not to mention consumers never like being FORCED to do something, such as being forced to switch to EV, especially when it is still a new technology. I know very few people who would consider buying an EV. Especially being in a cold New England state. On cold winter days, the 300-400 miles on a full charge can be cut by nearly 50%. So why bother? The cold weather is another strike against them. I’d get a hybrid at most.

[@martineakes5143]

There's no way in hell that 86% of car buyers were considering an EV.

[@KyleMcCulloch-w1g]

I’m an EV owner and I considered ICE cars…it doesn’t hurt you to consider options. EVs aren’t for everyone yet, there are obvious driving habits that would remove them consideration still. I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t look at every option when making any purchase.

[@Sentrme]

I think it is a valid to consider all options. I really would love an EV but all my travel is long distance.

[@GWAForUTBE]

In 78 the Amaco Cadiz dumped 69 million gallons of crude off the coast of France In 83 the Castillo de bellver dumped 54 million gallons of crude off the coast of S África In 83 the Nowruz oil field dumped 80 million gallons of crude. In 84 the Kolva river oil spill dumped 94 million gallons of crude into a fresh water supply. In 89 the Exxon Valdez dumped 11 million gallons of crude off the coast of Alaska In 92 the Mingbulak oil spill dumped 88 million gallons of crude into a small Asia town then set fire to it. In 79 the Atlantic Empress dumped 90 million gallons of crude off the coast of trinidad. In 79 the Ixtoc oil spill dumped 140 million gallons of crude into the gulf of México. In 2010 the Deep water Horizon dumped 134 million gallons of crude into the gulf of México. In 91 the Gulf war dumped 520 million gallons of crude. There really is no debate of EVs being the future.

[@Kaiser-ks3yq]

@@KyleMcCulloch-w1g you say "EVs aren't for everyone *yet* ", do you think in the future almost everyone if not everyone will drive an EV? If so, how long do you think it will take before half of all vehicle miles across the US and Europe are electric? Because I always felt the EV adoption rate would be a bell curve - very poor quality low range EVs which only few buy, then cars which are as similar to ICE as possible, either in cost or range, where 100% of people who "want" an EV will get one, I feel we're in this stage now, and then EV improvement flattens off, as demand (and therefore price) of electric goes up and gas comes down, so they're both equally cheap to run, buy, maintain etc, that people don't see a reason to switch either way so if you drive an ICE car then you have no reason to get an EV (unless you specifically wanted one, but you likely would've got one in the previous stage), and if you've only ever driven EVs, you wouldn't have a reason to switch to ICE

[@KyleMcCulloch-w1g]

I think, even as an owner, that EVs have a long way to go and believe there will be generational advances in the short term. Something like 10 years and I think people who are looking at all options will choose EVs because they will just be better than ICE cars. NASA has a solid state battery that’s looking pretty good. 40% less weight, near indestructible…that’s a serious leap when it trickles down.

[@agm6095]

I believe the biggest problem in EVs is when it comes to public charging (except Tesla). I work for The Ford Store Morgan Hill, a dealer in Northern California and last week I delivered a used Ford F-150 Lightning with 17k miles to Carlsbad, Ca which is in San Diego County. The distances was around 406 miles from Morgan Hill, Ca, the range before I put the address on the GPS in the truck was 316, after the address was put in it was roughly 250 miles. I had to charge in just under 200 miles and the charger was about 2 miles away from I-5. No problem at that charger, which was at a Shell station with a Taco Bell, breakfast while I waited to charge to 82% it took 37 minutes and it cost $40.32. When I left that charging station on HWY 43, the truck told me I had to charge again in Santa Clarita at a Walmart which was 87 miles from the first charger. I found the Walmart and the chargers easily, but one of the 350 kw charger was broken, the others were being used and I lucked out that an ID 4 charging on the 150 kw charger was just finishing charging and I plugged in for about 30 minutes. I was then on my way to Carlsbad through the lovely So Cal traffic, I was fortunate that the truck had carpool stickers which helped at lot through that nightmare traffic mid-morning. I got to Carlsbad with a 90 mile range. I decided to go to the chargers at an outlet mall in Carlsbad so I could deliver the truck to the customer with more than a 90 mile range. At those chargers there was 4 chargers with one of them was broken, and the others were being used. I gave up and delivered the truck with just under 90 miles left. Very challenging trip but not impossible. All the chargers were Electrify America which is the company that the Ford vehicles send you to. The customer service at Electrify America sucks, no one answers the phones. By the way our dealer does not mark-up any vehicle.

[@LifeMasteryPodcastStevenArecco]

Your 1st sentence says it al " I believe the biggest problem in EVs is when it comes to public charging (except Tesla)." You never see a broken Tesla supercharger + they are more powerful & have more units per stop. Electrify America is a terrible network.

[@topmarques]

And that lengthy tale of inconvenience is why I'd never want one. The BMW 535d I drive could go there and back on one tank and be refilled in a few minutes if not.

[@DJAtomic5]

2 weeks ago I had a Tesla Model 3 long range as a rental car when I did a weekend trip in Toronto. Car was great and enjoyed using it. Tesla chargers were of course never the issue, BUT my main issue still stands with EVs is having to plan around charging and having to make use of the time wisely. With the amount of driving I found it such an annoyance having to plan when I should charge and what I should do when Im charging instead of just sitting in the car doing nothing and wasting time while the car is charging, compared to a regular gas car I just pull off into a gas station for less than 5 minutes, fill up and keep going. EVs have their pros and cons just like any other vehicle but having to worry about charging when you dont have a garage to plug in every night is still a big annoyance and why I still prefer ICE cars.

[@elmerhuyard3565]

Wow, that's expensive for a charge!

[@carnealse]

We can use the Tesla network now. Not just the EA.

[@davidribeiro]

The history went from "No one is buying EVs" to "No one is buying EVs from Dealerships" very fast. lol

[@quintonstevens]

They literally only interviewed dealers. Of course they’re gonna say nobody wants EVs lmao the biggest seller of EVs doesn’t have dealers. And they’re interviewing Mercedes dealer…wtf? I didn’t even know Mercedes had EVs.

[@Tm0n3y762]

@@quintonstevenshave you been living under a rock lol you never heard of the EQS 😂

[@AdamFrugoli]

You get it! You are so right.

[@quintonstevens]

@@Tm0n3y762 Well I can see why nobody is actually buying them...they look like grandma cars. And no, this is actually the first I've heard of them. They don't look all that appealing, so I can see why there's no buzz around them.

[@Tm0n3y762]

@@quintonstevens agreed I don’t like how they look either

[@suezaple4950]

I live in Ontario Canada I will not buy an EV vehicle , it would never hold the charge in the winter, what the governments need to do is find a different fuel to run vehicles on such as Hemp, and make it so we can convert our regular gas vehicle to. They also have to look more at the factories that are continuously pumping pollutants into the air, vehicles in general are way to costly.

[@churchofmarcus]

I wonder how much the automakers did this to themselves. I remember Ford dealerships charging 10s of thousands over MSRP on Mustang Mach Es, Lightnings, Mavericks, and Broncos. I can't imagine that bad press didn't hurt sales for all those models once the hype cooled. I literally found out today that I could actually afford a used Mach E.

[@moderngod1]

Afford as in pay in full no car payments?

[@Wyynter]

To be fair that wasn't Ford doing that, the dealerships are marking things up. Ford has said they are thinking of going Tesla's Route where they cut out dealerships altogether because of it.

[@lancasterritzyescargotdine2602]

churchof Good observation. What sold the first Mustang was the perfect, no-government-interference styling/engineering and youth-market affordability. What's stifling today's market is the bloated 1930s bathtub body and the only-grandpa-can-afford-one pricing. BAD move.

[@jeffder7143]

​@@moderngod1most people finance.

[@mrbob19561]

People payed it..cause and effect

[@williamrumsey6717]

Y’all should interview actual EV owners and see why and how their transition worked for them. The conversation between daily driving and long distance driving is a real one but as an owner of both combustion and electric as well as the issues I had with a combustion vehicle that I bought new was a factor in my decision. As well as gas prices of course! 😅

[@That-Guy_]

I love my EV.

[@xchopp]

This! Why ask dealers -- of all people?

[@floxy20]

I love it when replies are made to comments which are pure gibberish.

[@JteslaR705]

Yeah I agree as a EV owner there’s nothing better than one

[@WalkerOne]

If they do that, then they might get the real story. Why would they want to do that?

[@millirabbit4331]

The biggest problem is people are struggling financially. You then want them to spend $70,000 or more for an EV. Those two situations do not mesh well.

[@beltrams]

Tesla Model Y Long Range is $48,540 right now, iirc. Take away the $7500 fed tax credit and for me in MA, the $3500 tax credit, and that's a $37.5K car - far cry from $70K. The standard range Y and all of the Model 3 variants are even cheaper. Granted, Tesla style isn't for everyone, but expensive those models are not.

[@ravenandthestranger]

​@@beltrams $37.5K is a lot of money for a car. That's not something I could afford anytime soon.

[@americandissident9062]

@@ravenandthestrangerIt’s a low end price for a new car.

[@LuckyAeon]

@@ravenandthestrangerThat’s not an issue specific to EVs though

[@dougt5357]

@@beltrams Yeah but, what are you getting for that money (and most places only have the fed tax credit so it is still $41k), a car with 250 mile range. That is with 100% charge and most time you are charged only to 80%. Great for short trips to the store but, try and take a road trip with that vehicle! If you answer is have an ICE car for trips, then what is your cost? Don't get me started on current interest rates!

[@caselawcop7229]

EVs are really only practical for commuters in suburban areas. Like others have said, apartment dwellers don’t have easy access and in rural areas they don’t have the infrastructure for EVs plus they have longer distances to drive.

[@skycloud4802]

Although less appropriate for USA, in Europe there also a lot of terraced houses without driveways, so electric cables become a trip hazard on the pavements. So worldwide EV adoption is going to be very difficult.

[@themomaw]

We better find a way to make it practical for everybody then, because gasoline *NEEDS* to stop.

[@rickfetz469]

Nothing wrong with gasoline- it will keep us going until EV is figured out …..well we do need to produce it locally as the carbon footprint and price is too high to be importing it but the Green idiots in Wash DC can’t seem to figure that out!

[@Carpenter_King86]

That's kind of the point. Put everyone into 15 minute cities.

[@mypronouniswtf5559]

@@themomaw ..Gasoline does NOT have to stop and it will never go away!

[@michaellacy847]

The big 3 dealers add anywhere from 3500 to 10,000 in dealer mark ups. The EV's are on the high end of the markup range. You have pickups and cars that are going for 100k it's just too expensive even with a 72 month financing option with really good credit.

[@RustyShackleford-kd9it]

The main point I got from this vid is that Tesla is able to drop their prices because they don’t have to deal with dealerships while Ford had to raise their prices because they deal exclusively through dealerships.

[@tylerwertman1720]

If they really wanted to make energy efficient cars, Every single one would have solar panels and wind power regeneration, but they are not😂😂😂

[@1250iceman]

Yes like 20k in my shopping discovery I didn't buy

[@EliteDogSF]

I would have absolutely LOVED to have a Ford Lightning. But when I was in the market for a new car, the lowest I found was $75,000. I'm never paying that much for a truck

[@veerkar]

Ford does not know how to make EVs. You dodged a bullet. Their cooling system is really really bad.

[@jponz85]

$75k for a truck is rediculous lol

[@rongendron8705]

Let's not forget the nearly $7,000 in sales tax that must be paid on a $75k truck in N.Y. at least!

[@loslos7096]

you start to notice the law of supply and demand never goes down in favor for consumer... they just make excuses for not putting prices down enough or at least cover future cost of battery replacement

[@WamboDaJambo]

Prices are down drastically, especially on the used market...

[@donquijote6030]

Perhaps the real problem, even for those of us who can afford to buy them, is that they cost too much to make sense. I would never pay $80,000 for a car no matter how nice it may be. The cost of automobiles has gotten ridiculous over the last decade. Ford, GM, Chrysler, and Tesla need to think about their future.

[@stephanc9288]

yea the price is def the main factor even with the tax credits. But you also cant forget the $1-5k+ to install an EV charger at your house assuming you own your house. If you live in an apartment then having a home charger probably isn't even an option in most cases. Yea you can bring it to a charging station but who wants to do that every day or every few days depending how far one full charge lasts you. Also the grid can barely handle the current power demands in most parts of the country. Without a massive investment in the grid systems to add capacity there is no way the current system can support millions of vehicles charging every night. I'm not against EVs but we have a long way to go before there is more wide spread adoption by a large percentage of car buyers.

[@TheFirstObserver]

What about the Model 3? It's only 40k, which for new cars is under the 48k average?

[@Shadow_Banned_Conservative]

Buy used, that's what I did. I got a 60k mile Cadillac ELR (a Chevy Volt PHEV on steroids, wearing a Tuxedo) for $22k used, five years ago versus $85k for it if I bought it new. I've got 106k miles on it now and it's been flawless. My commute to work has been less than a gallon of gas a day versus 5-6 gallons for my V8 powered sedan and SUVs for 3 years now. Don't buy any vehicle, EV or ICE, new. They all depreciate greatly.

[@sionbarzad5371]

you were left behind in the new economy man, 80k is nothing for many whores on onlyfans and crypto scammers etc, honest work seldom pays well enough

[@greg.peepeeface]

Love this, it’s a balanced and objective assessment, and I 100% agree. The powers that be, like employers would love another ball and chain anchoring us to them. The politicians also want us infighting with other Americans because the real problem is that all of our wages are not keeping pace with life, yet they’re all cashing in.

[@michaelwhite6498]

The main problem with EV sales is the number of customers with enough money and the desire to buy one.

[@robainscough]

If that were the case, then dealerships would NOT be marking up EVs by $5000-$40,000. Like I said above Chevy Bolt EV $28K to $32K fully loaded. EVs have far fewer moving parts and much easier to manufacture than ICE vehicles ... besides, you see the cost of a fully Load Ford F-150 ICE $70,000. EV costs are entirely myth

[@robainscough]

If that were the case, then dealerships would NOT be marking up EVs by $5000-$40,000. Like I said above Chevy Bolt EV $28K to $32K fully loaded. EVs have far fewer moving parts and much easier to manufacture than ICE vehicles ... besides, you see the cost of a fully Load Ford F-150 ICE $70,000. EV costs are entirely myth

[@stevenalvarado-doc7334]

at least your tried.@@HelgaGriniskia

[@bills5009]

@@HelgaGriniskia Are those the same evil Oil companies that bought the patents for the 100 mpg carburetors so they couldn't be made?

[@vrapnyc]

Realist comment so far thank you for speaking the facts...

[@RetroracerDB1]

Much of the reason for the dominance of Tesla in the EV market is their direct sales model. Having purchased a new vehicle this month I can say that one of the largest impediments to vehicle sales is the dealer experience. With a bit of online research is not hard for the customer to know more about the vehicle than than dealer sales staff. Manufacturers should use the transition to EVs to open direct sales channels.

[@UTube-gs1yf]

Precisely why the Dealers assoc pay tv companies to make this kind of "journalism".

[@AlanAbdo-nr6fj]

Forreal car salespeople are sleeze bags. That’s why your car cost so much. Because they’re there to stiff you for their commission.

[@melvingibson4525]

There's no transition

[@05Forenza]

@@AlanAbdo-nr6fj I am a car salesman, not a sleeze. But, I would say go tell that to your realtor when you buy a house.

[@jeretso]

Even used cars are heavily marked up at dealerships. No haggle Scion was the easy, but they got rid of it. Tesla website is even easier and I can plug it in my garage while I watch TV or sleep

[@jeffreykayjk1136]

Another issue for the ev is weather. Those of us in harsh winters, temperatures adversely affect batteries, period. When you go weeks to months with temperatures that are below zero Fahrenheit and windchill factors consistently at -40 Fahrenheit or lower and that is without driving the vehicle in the wind. You find that the average EV mileage between charges drops anywhere from 35% to 60%. Now EVs become unrealistic to drive in winter. Tell me how would the EVs handle the actual temperature overnight of -39 Fahrenheit and windchill was between -60 to -80 Fahrenheit. This actually occurred one to two weeks ago depending on when you read this. This was out in the country, not city, with no garage to house the vehicle. Gas vehicles had to be started every 4 hours and run for 30 minutes. EVs don't profit by doing that, do they? EVs are not realistic for millions of Americans who experience harsh winters.

[@for_your_health_drangus]

the real problem: dealers and manufacturers are getting greedier than ever and despite getting billions in tax deductions and incentives and rebates, they refuse to pass the savings onto the customer. this greed will create a market crash

[@brucefrykman8295]

Here is the product of a mind destroyed by government education. Ford and GM lose $30,000 on every EV they produce but intend to make it up in volume. If is a government idea it was created by the dimmest bulbs on the planet. Here is a the QA line of "non-greedy" automobile plant looks like - pure government genius: Made in a country renowned for the finest engineering standards in the word but look what socialism did to them (Socialist Unity Party of Germany (German: Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschlands) Behold the socialist "no greed" car, I give you the "Trabbie" (Trabant) Quality Assurance line: :kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3qkiquNeL15bqM And after they are "broken" in this is how they run: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqSynJuKbstrkLs Yessiree lets have the politicians design our cars so we can all drive a POS like the Trabbie

[@brucefrykman8295]

The thing about dealerships is that you have a "choice," if they are "too greedy" choose one that is "less greedy". With government there is only ONE dealership and its greed is insatiable.

[@elchaposexcitingadventures1674]

I don’t think this is entirely true. The cost to produce these new cars is astronomical. You imagine building entirely new vehicles from what the factory is tooled for? They are like any business looking for the best profits. They are not in business for charity.

[@Joskemom]

The real problem is no one wants to buy these 'batt mobiles'.

[@Bobo-t5u]

​@@brucefrykman8295 there's not much of a choice when most dealerships have been super greedy.

[@alfredotto7525]

The reason the big three are showing a slow down in sales is the dealers are price gouging their customers. Most people can't afford those inflated dealer prices. Adding to the fact that their EVs are not very compelling.

[@jonathaningalls1325]

Google "EV profit margins" and thats the reason they slowed down. They are racing to be profitable and Tesla is stepping on their throats.

[@AndrewBurbo-zw6pf]

they are losing thousands on each one

[@SSGoatanks]

Maybe consumers are just fed up with expensive car ownership costs - newer generations are not getting their licenses and say they'd rather use Uber/Lyft instead of paying for upfront costs, insurance, maintenance, and waste time in the DMV or driving in congested traffic.

[@AndrewBurbo-zw6pf]

​@@SSGoatanks that's what the government and greenies want, soon it will be too expensive for anyone to buy ANY car. gas or electric

[@sten260]

that makes no sense at all, if they are able to "price gouge" that means the demand has to be huge, they are saying that there isn't enough demand, so how can they gouge the prices without losing money?

[@GeraldGuevara]

I think when dealers started marking up extravagant prices over msrp during the past 2 years. It left a bitter taste to the consumers. Those dealers are probably not going to see repeat businesses again. Those dealerships are probably going only going to sell to desperate people who need a car immediately. After that, the gravy train is over.

[@kuebby]

I hope so, we need a generational change in dealership owners.

[@MC-hl2yx]

All dealers can eat it. Greedy.

[@briansmith5747]

It pains me to see a car dealer make commission off a sale. They don’t do anything to earn it, don’t know anything about the cars and are all about lies and deception to extort as much as they can from you. They are mostly of low intelligence and have no real marketable skills. Probably can’t get a job doing anything else for that matter.

[@mad2barxhst]

@@briansmith5747Might be time to get rid of the car dealership business model. They give you the song and dance on why you should pay more than the MSRP.

[@mad2barxhst]

When I looked into ice cars a couple of years ago, because of the COVID-19 situation, dealers were asking $7K-10K over the MSRP for “some kind of who knows what adder price” known for short as price gouging. Did not have incentive to buy a car. Even to this day there still the price adder but like around $2K-$5K. I recall years ago that the manufacturers already added an amount in the MSRP that was for the dealer selling the car. Yet they ask for an additional amount over the MSRP. It’s time we get rid of the dealership model and for manufacturers to sell direct.

[@soundmindbodydivine]

Jumped in my 1999 clk model and drove from Los Angeles to Oakland. With the heater on. And I'll do it again!

[@nunmar100]

I live along the Gulf coast. Evcacuations during natural disaster is a dealbreaker. Electrial outages, stuck on a grid-locked highway, no way and no where to get some juice.

[@knowledgeequips9604]

Exactly.

[@leonidas14775]

"The auto industry continues to launch more EVs at that $50,000 to $60,000 price point, which is already well saturated."🤔

[@halneufmille]

Exactly.

[@alexanderrobins7497]

People were so vocal when GM said it they were retiring the Bolt, shortly after that announcement, they changed their stance and said they will plan on refreshing it when they get their new EV platform operational. Not everyone needs a car that can go 300 miles on a charge, or can afford a car costing over $40,000, and others are waiting for the newest technology. I would be perfectly happy with a cheap, but comfortable commuter car with a little over a hundred miles of range, with my current car being for road trips.

[@dwnrange7812]

We need more sub $40.000 EVs... more specifically, sub $40,000 QUALITY EVs

[@BillAnt]

I wonder whey they can't produce some decent sub $20k EV's? Doesn't have to be fancy with all the whistles and bells, self driving etc, just to get you from point A to point B reliably. After all EV's have a lot less moving parts, the electric motor is much simpler than a complicated combustion engine, it's just puzzling to me. Seems like they keep targeting customers around the $50K price point, unfortunately most people can barely pay rent and insurance. smh

[@johnwong5317]

@@BillAnt Plenty of graveyard of brand new older generations EVs collect dust. The newer models are cheaper, but they are extremely low quality. Not to mention the massive increase in charging stations just make it lost any advantage against gas powered cars.

[@vinhsanity]

My neighbors Tesla gets horrible mileage during the deep freeze MN winter. Last winter when we had a couple weeks of single and low double digits, he said he was getting about 100 miles at most on a full charge.

[@chillinvillin21]

But the video says owners dont mind waiting an hour to charge!!

[@stevendeckert6373]

We live in MN. Our bolt's range is about 180 in winter and 280 in summer. Depends a lot on how you drive! The biggest problem is the public charging infrastructure for non-tesla EV's-it's really terrible and unreliable.

[@cloud1930]

In Chicago Illinois, the impractical EVs were junk because of very cold weather. EV batteries would not charge and with the heater on maximum, the batteries did not last long on a full charge. EV'S are a bad investment and the consumer knows it.

[@mico1664]

​@@cloud1930I couldn't believe that one guy interviewed in Chicago who had spent 11 hours and still wasn't charging.

[@bigdogtim7998]

Agree 👍 The problem with the internet is when I try to search for the facts about EV’s in Sub Zero temperatures and get 0 results!

[@bpxl53yewz29]

Why would we want to store a lithium-ion car that spontaneously explodes in our garages? Even hours after the fire dept puts out the EV fire, the battery sparks a fire again spontaneously. We don’t want to die. And battery replacement is $6,000 - $50,000 (Hyundai ionic). The average person can’t afford EVs. California passed into law forcing everyone to buy EVs only in several years. It’s discriminatory and unfair for the middle and low income families. Someone needs to stop California’s law.

[@hppavilionf50]

One thing that almost everyone forgets about is apartment dwellers... I live in an apartment and there's little to no chance that the owners will put in EV chargers. That means I have to charge at work (but we don't have chargers at work or within 1-2 miles), at the gym or grocery store (which is relatively expensive and assumes there are available chargers and my car is charged enough in the 30 minutes it takes me to do my grocery shopping), or take an extra trip out of my day to go to a public charger and hope that they all work. I am saving up for a hybrid or EV down the road and hope that in 5-7 years many of these issues will be a thing of the past.

[@kurtphilly]

💯 %.

[@idocmirk]

Yes, I have a Model Y and only charge at home. Without that, I wouldn't recommend it. But if I had access to a 110 outlet, for my driving of 30 miles per day, it would be fine.

[@jim97405]

Like condos, this situation is too slowly being addressed with chargers.

[@anthonylieu9068]

Buy a Tesla. Problems solved.

[@badam1814]

Tesla launched a program last year to install charges at apartments / condos / other places. You are right that it’s a pain now to charge, but things are going to change quickly.

[@45314400zack]

The part where the Mercedes dealer owner who only employs 50 people but somehow makes $40 million a year admits that he and every other private dealership are leaches on society that can't compete with Tesla's direct to consumer sales is GOLD.

[@Scoharr]

The other reason for slow sales is greedy dealer markups that arose during the pandemic. Dealers are still addicted to the markup as a business model, and buyers are taking a wait-and-see attitude.

[@rwhirsch]

exactly. the only ev to buy now is a tesla...direct sales and a huge network of charging stations. any other purchase is silly.

[@diegoharo7943]

@@rwhirschits illegal for car manufacturers to sell directly but Tesla was given an exception. Lawmakers are bought and paid for by the rich and large corporations

[@hindesite]

The dealer almost said this. In the video he said the dealer is able to accommodate custaround lower pricing. What he did say is that the dealers were the reason prices were too high in the first place. Several times he said that things need to slow down.

[@diegoharo7943]

Buyers already bought cars

[@michaelmccarthy4615]

State laws allow dealers to exist. This should change

[@pgbrown12084]

Charging stations are definitely part of the problem. I work in hospital transportation. We have, on average, 1200 staff vehicles on site. And we have four (4) charging stations that only allow for a 4-hour charge. Add to that the unwillingness of staff to come out and move their vehicles after the 4 hours, it causes quite a bit of friction. Unfortunately, due to massive pay increases to union nurses, the hospital cant afford to install more stations and wont be able to for at least another 3-7 years.

[@Fljeff7]

They have .003% charger coverage. EV is a joke

[@moose1485]

Maybe the slow down is due to the high prices. Even reduced price for Lucid is in mid 85K OTD. I paid 84K for my house.

[@jordanrussell345]

There seems to really be very little conversation revolving around this: the actual cost of one of these things. While I could afford a $400/mo payment, I choose not to and instead drive a 95 Camry because it does everything I need it to do and I own it. It's simple and does exactly what it needs to do. Drive to me to work and back. How can I be sold on $30k+ for a car that does the same thing but slightly more inconveniently, and now I'm forced to have WiFi/screens in my nice quiet car?

[@VladimirBlarp]

@@jordanrussell345 You're not getting a new EV for 30k. The 2 "basic" EV cars on the market are the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt, both of which are over 30k and are considerably smaller than your current car. To get an EV in comparable size, you're looking at close to 50k or more

[@stephenwabaxter]

The Lucid is at the high end say up against Mercedes Benz and BMW. Cory Stuben of Munro and Associates just went over to Lucid to become an employee and that is a big endorsement for the company.

[@GENERALMAYHEM]

The price of everything else doubled at the same time the government started this big push for electric cars. When the price of electricity, groceries, clothes, insurance, and housing eat up budgets people aren't going to buy new cars.

[@silvy7394]

@@VladimirBlarp Broh you could literally get a Nissan Leaf and Bolt for 27-28K.

[@urbanmasque]

Major anxiety: Most people dont have access to a garage (to plug in at night) and have to charge at paid locations everytime. That makes it not practical for most people since charging isnt a quick process like going to the pump.

[@didierpuzenat7280]

Don't "most people" live in an individual house in the US ?

[@christhecieraguy1388]

@@didierpuzenat7280 no. In fact, the number of households that are Rendting in the US, is much higher than those that own their home. When most of the population rents, they can't just install a charger. And most houses and apartments also don't have a garage, for those that rent.

[@GG-mr9iz]

I guess people will need to buy more homes

[@didierpuzenat7280]

@@GG-mr9iz Cars are not floating in the air when not in use, so charge points have to be installed where cars are parked, not only on private parkings and garage. A simple 3 kW charge point is enough when time is not an issue. So yes, a little more difficult than people installing charge points in their own garages, but electricity is everywhere so not a big problem, especially compared to other challenges regarding climate change or even just building EVs.

[@Asidebar]

@@didierpuzenat7280 - NO

[@NivenRowe]

The problem is simple. When you are low on fuel,you stop and fill up. In your EV,serious planning is needed.

[@johnehlert4366]

See the USA may be a thing of the past.

[@DaleC1980]

Eventually, this should change. But this is why consumers need to be able to adopt EVs as it makes sense for them. not being forced by the government

[@NivenRowe]

@@DaleC1980 You nailed it for me. I really struggled just with the thought of going EV!! To make matters worse,I live in South Africa.

[@KenKaniff-dw4jw]

Repairs man. Repairs.

[@KenKaniff-dw4jw]

​@DaleC1980 Evs are not the answer and never will be. They have to be on the road for 10 years to have a positive ratio of pollution compared to gas. Hybrids are the answer and Toyota seen that right away. Not to mention wait times for repairs and costs of repairs. EVs are not practical

[@kaijen2688]

The problem is the economy has not kept pace. In fact the economy is in a dumpster. Just last month 645k people lost full time jobs. No cars are selling because people are broke. ICE vehicles have over a year of stock. The lighning was supposed to be 29k, but it came out at 39k then went to 50 then 70k.

[@phoenix5054]

"I want the government to re-asses their regulatory pressures." - car dealer Me too! Make the necessity of dealers go away entirely and allow 2 parties of consenting adults transact without a middleman.

[@midas617]

r/whoosh

[@jackcarterog001]

Why stop at dealerships? Why not have government shut down all retail businesses dmso you can buy at wholesale prices. Why should you have to buy food at the grocery store?! You should never able to buy your food directly off the General Mills production line, right? Why should Amazon be allowed to exist? The government should shut it down so we can buy directly from the manufacturers. WTF. You want government to shut down a specific industry because you personally can't afford a car?

[@JJ-ki6sv]

Also, get rid of ev mandates. Plug in hybrids are the way for huge countries like the USA

[@quintonstevens]

@@JJ-ki6svhuge countries like the US where most people drive like 5-50 miles a day

[@JJ-ki6sv]

@@quintonstevens yes, that's why plug-in hybrid are the way. Many people don't need long range vehicles, or they don't need more than one. But when they do, even to rent, they don't want an EV. It's still cheaper to drive a family in a hybrid van 1000 miles and you'll still have a car, rather than fly and rent. An EV is obnoxious, because you'll recharge twice in that time.

[@ManuelFernandez-ex5iv]

Rented an ev in vegas a few months ago feeling cool. It was a big mistake! Trying to charge the car was a pain! Finding an open charger was also a pain in 100+ degree weather. I’m sticking to gas vehicles.

[@ShaferHart]

lmao yeah as long as I can buy my ICE cars I'll keep buying them. I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO SPEND TIME FIGURING OUT MY CHARGING MILEAGE I just want something that works. That's why they want to outlaw gas cars, EVs can't compete on the merits.

[@ManuelFernandez-ex5iv]

@@ShaferHart I couldn’t agree more with you. Also it take 45-50 minutes for your car to almost fully charge on a fast charger. It take me 10-15 minutes to get gas at most.

[@Johan87577]

@@ManuelFernandez-ex5ivsounds like Americans are far behind Europe then. Here you can charge in 10-20 minutes and have enough juice for 300km

[@ManuelFernandez-ex5iv]

@@Johan87577 the teslas you can 300km in 15 minutes but still could you imagine being in a 100+ degree weather with no shade trying to charge your vehicle. I do think Europe is more advanced with the other Ev vehicles tho. In my opinion, I would still choose gas.

[@rmac3217]

@@Johan87577 EVs in Europe will go the way of Germany's 'no fossil fuel plan'. Now they force France to give them nuclear energy and import gas like there's no tomorrow, great plan Hans.

[@jctai100]

One thing people should take into account. The higher cost of purchasing a home. Why? It's not an easy thing to charge an EV at home if you're renting. Most of the cost savings are on your own electric bill vs paying at the charge station or at a gas pump. It goes hand in hand.

[@desireandfire]

I think it would be cheaper through charging it than pumping it with gas, though not as cheaper as they make it seem

[@jerrypolverino6025]

It is much cheaper to charge an EV, then to fill the gas tank.

[@alannkevin]

you are 💯 correct

[@Onslaught707]

Cost me cheaper to charge my Tesla than to fill up my Toyota yaris for the same range 😅

[@fredmaloon5956]

You can get a fast charge for 18.00 at a gas station for 20 minutes

[@Noah_E]

Nobody ever seems to mention the idiotic steps required to even use a public charger. You can't just swipe a credit card and plug it in. You have to download an app, do the verification process, put in all your info, then plug it in and far too often it either won't dispense energy as quickly as it should or not at all, so you get to start the process over again elsewhere. Imagine having to have a different app for BP, Citgo, Exxon, Sheetzs, ..... What an unnecessary pain.

[@sleekspeed22]

The dealership owner said the quiet part out loud... When you don't have the bloat of the Dealers you have more pricing flexibility. Imagine how much we can save on ICE care if manufacturers can sell direct.

[@joebloggs4191]

They do in some cases. In the UK Mercedes Benz many years ago took back all the franchises and now operate the retail stores themselves. Haven’t seen any price reductions because of it! Primarily probably because they don’t need to, demand for the product is still there. You can be sure Elon reduced the price due to lack of demand, he hasn’t done it out of the goodness of his heart!

[@donparnell309]

This was my favorite part of the video. Most people dread going to a car dealer more than they dread going to a dentist. This is another advantage Tesla has. Unfortunately many states have passed laws to protect this business model. Texas had to exclude Tesla from their dealership requirements in order to get a Tesla factory.

[@ricktrue8441]

Someday we will be looking back remembering the EV craze.

[@DoneDealNikhil]

Absolutely! These EVs are a temporary fad. Hydrogen cars are the future! Hope Toyota gets them right and come out shortly with their hydrogen cars! Until then, ICE cars are the way to go.

[@alotl1kevegas860]

​​@@DoneDealNikhilI would have to say bio fuels are the future. Hydro powered cars are a close second. And I say bio fuels, because it would be compatible with current ICE engines.

[@criscrouse4343]

There is no ev craze just a crazy president who is pushing this stuff

[@MarkRachelleHaben]

and reflecting on our ignorance.

[@testtube43]

New Coke ...

[@BASvist]

It's simple - my 4x4 budget gasoline SUV was sub $18 000 around 5 years ago, brand new, in Europe with 20% sales tax (VAT). Comparable EV 4x4 SUV currently costs around $50 000. My salary didn't increase by almost 3 times so I could afford such a car.

[@Indycarfanatic2024]

Exactly! All these smug assholes talking about their Teslas as if it’s a car for single moms!

[@afrocraft1]

An $18000 SUV? 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@teneresand]

@@afrocraft1 Maybe an Dacia Duster....?

[@ianrobertson3419]

​@@teneresandSuzuki jimny costs more ffs.

[@bencze465]

That 18000 claim seems very off, there's no usable cars at that price in Europe. Also electric suv is not 50k, they start a lot lower, for example MG models are like 31-32k euro. 50k is a nice mid range price. Finally, don't compare 5 year old prices with current ones, apples to oranges.

[@uap24]

Issue here is companies lobbying to eliminate ICEs instead of competing with them. Toyota wanted to make hybrids popular, they built a really good car for that, and that removed the image of hybrids as heavy, unreliable vehicles. EV manufacturers should do the same. Quit greenwashing, and actually build a good car. The real issue here is manufacturers unwilling to innovate and instead seek the easy way out.

[@richardmacdonald6303]

As a Floridian living in the Tampa area, I did an evacuation for a Hurricane and it took 16.5 hours to get to Ocean Shores MS where we were able to get a pet friendly motel. There is not an EV made that could make that evacuation, you cannot do the equivalent of grabbing 10 gallons of gas in extra containers in an EV.

[@LSD-420]

I've seen others making this point too. It's a valid concern. I guess someone could bring a gas powered generator with them to charge the car. However might as well have an ice car.

[@dailyrant4068]

You're using an outlier example. 99% of the country does not have to evacuate so it's a pointless example. With that said, in your situation no reasonable person would tell you to get an EV as your only car. It makes sense for 99% of commuting scenarios that apply to Americans in general, that is an indisputable fact.

[@SAMc300ZXTT]

@@LSD-420 "Range Anxiety" is a major concern with full-EVs, and it's not even mentioned in this video.

[@someopinionateddirt6561]

​@@dailyrant4068pointless example or not, the risk (despite however small) still exists. The 2003 bushfires in Australia threatened the capital city to the point where half of the power gird had to be turned off. My mother and I were in the car for 12 hours in a situation where an EV just wouldn't pull through.

[@bryanzettel7787]

Or being stuck in a snow storm in the northern climate.

[@mohamedh0786]

I dumped my model Y more than 6 months ago, I could't handle range anxiety and when i don't use the car for a few days , my range drops, My Insurance premiums were double the amount I was paying for my Audi A6, I am very happy with my ICE car, will never go back, Most EV owners will NEVER admit the inconvenience of an EV. I drive a Camry Hybrid now. Love It

[@IMAPOTATOZ]

Did you not have a place to charge at home? Were you checking the app too much? I'm on year 2 with mine and don't have these issues...

[@a.k.7397]

@@IMAPOTATOZ Yeah, seems like he did not have a home charging system. I got 230V at home, M3LR charges 4 % an hour and my daily driving is max 40 % of battery. I had range anxiety also but we liked the car too much to sell and sold our apartment and bought a house (moved 30 klicks further from the city center but driving there takes the same time than at our apartment on the other city side).

[@IMAPOTATOZ]

@a.k.7397 ahh. Yeah I'd personally never recommend an EV if you don't have a place to charge it at home.

[@run2fire]

@@a.k.7397maybe he lives in apartment

[@run2fire]

@@IMAPOTATOZmaybe he lives in apartment

[@himonstercartoons]

The biggest issue is that most automakers made half baked, overpriced for their class, EVs. Affordable EVs and Teslas are still selling like crazy, because consumers are more conscious of the car they are buying when they decide to go electric. If you dig deeper into what cars are mainly piling up, they usually fit the description I just gave you.

[@ianollmann9393]

Yep, most of the problems cited here with EVs don’t apply to Teslas. The supercharger network just works and is everywhere. No worries there. They are the only car you can rent by name directly from Avis and Hertz, because the other EVs are just no the same. All EVs are fine for just getting around town, but if you hit the highway to go to the next state, the other brands are a problem because their charging network is a problem. Tesla range is great. The design isn’t compromised because the automaker decided to share the chassis design with an equivalent iCE car, which means Tesla has much more trunk space. There really isn’t a comparison. This Mercedes dealer is hoping beyond all sense for an outcome that will keep him in business. There is is nothing wrong with Tesla BEV they are superior to ICE in nearly every way.

[@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing]

3 Reasons: 1. Everyone in the US wants a PHEV, not pure Electric or pure Hybrid. Even the Rollin' Coal crowd is in. 2. Dealer Markups are still absolutely absurd. 3. The EV's we want still aren't what we're getting, and the EV's we're getting aren't worth the MSRP. Edit: As a CR-V hybrid owner, look at the bass-ackwards mistake Honda made in the US vs European markets: They brought the new All Electric Prologue to the States and not Europe, and the CR-V PHEV to Europe, but not the States. Who the hell cooked up that silly idea? Did they not have access to an atlas?

[@taylorgledhill]

Yeah, it's obvious that all these dealers interviewed in the piece have negative things to say about electric vs ICE... because they're not selling Teslas. It's cutting into their bottom line and the government mandating that they have to sell the half-baked & overpriced alternatives is what's annoying these guys. The cost of a Tesla 3 is extremely competitive with your average sedan and that's without factoring the thousands you'll save in gas & other maintenance like oil changes and brake pads (regenerative braking cuts down on the wear and tear on brakes). The only legit argument I can understand for not getting an EV was stated at the top of the video, the woman who said "I already have ONE, do I want TWO." That is understandable-- I would feel a little uncomfortable owning two vehicles that have limited range. Having lived in CA & now Nevada, you need range to escape in the event of a natural disaster. I was always taught to keep the tank half full JIC the big earthquake hit LA. Stuff like that would be why I would go Hybrid for car #2 and use car #1 around town most of the time.

[@2Solstice2]

Another reason for apprehension with BEV is non home owners. Not having a reliable residential charger negates most of the cost savings in owning a BEV, along with the hassle of finding times and places to charge. Infrastructure, Infrastructure Infrastructure! Also every BEV manufacturer is selling less car for a higher price than compared with the Tesla equivalent. Except Rivan, but that may change soon as well.

[@ianollmann9393]

@@taylorgledhill For what it’s worth, I now have two teslas and it is much better than one. It used to be we had one Tesla and one PHEV minivan. The tesla was nice but someone always got stuck driving the minivan. Now we each have one and the minivan never gets used. This is something of a problem because the Chrysler minivan has a “feature” that is meant to ensure the gas doesn’t get old and break the ICE engine. If the gas goes unused for long enough, it will refuse to use the battery and operate on gas only. The problem here is that because the minivan is getting zero use, the gas just gets old and our PHEV is effectively just a ICE all the time! Also, now my wife just wants to drive it occasionally to “make sure it gets used”, which to my mind is exactly the opposite of what should happen. Why do we still own this thing? Why we bought it in the first place I never understood. It is a $50k security blanket in a world full of $200/day car rental agencies. If we rented a minivan every day, the Chrysler wouldn’t pay for itself until 250 rentals in. Personally, I’d be happier if the ICE engine did break. Then maybe it would be an EV. Alas I have no confidence that the car would allow us to drive on EV alone. Contemplated just letting it run out of gas to see what it does, but it seemed likely to be an expensive experiment to run. We do all our road trips in Teslas because they are better for that purpose due to autopilot. Often the charge is done before I’ve even gotten my hamburger. People who say they really want a hybrid don’t want a hybrid. They are just trouble, and are like the worst of both worlds. Skip the half step and just get the EV. Install home charging and you’ll be fine. I don’t buy the natural disaster excuse. EVs don’t waste “gas” idling in natural disaster traffic like ICEs do, and don’t choke in the middle of a forest fire. They use the energy they were going to use to travel, or maybe less because the speed is low and aren’t going to run out of juice idling while gridlocked. Besides, gas pumps don’t work when the power is out. There are plugs everywhere. How many states do you need to travel to escape the natural disaster? If it’s a hurricane, everyone is trying to get out /before/ the storm when infrastructure is working fine. After the storm, you don’t need to escape and you’d be a fool to drive during a hurricane. Everything else, except the Yellowstone caldera, is local. I don’t have much confidence the ICE air filter is going to last long in a volcanic ash blizzard.

[@robertk1834]

The unsold EVs will need their battery replaced before they're even sold at retail...

[@fotogme11]

I live in the US midwest, and see a big issue concerning at home charging for renters. That segment of the population will be very slow to turn to EVs unless this is addressed.

[@JJ-ki6sv]

Also, distance in the Midwest are really long. The drives across state are super long, and adding in 1 hr charge times makes it obnoxious. Plug-in hybrid are the way. You can all the benefits of an EV, while being able to drive across an eight-hour State without any range issues

[@vurbin]

Yup, I live in the Midwest as well but own a home with a charger, so I went EV but if you live in an apartment building or rent, we need a lot more charges, as these individuals wont have the convenience of charging at home.

[@michaelphippen8920]

​@@JJ-ki6svHi there, not here to contradict, but I'd like to add some context for everyone who reads your comment. I've driven from middle of Iowa to middle of Arkansas twice this past year, about 10.5 hours total driving time. Charging adding a little under 2 hours each way to my trip

[@danharold3087]

The vast majority of people in the midwest living in apartments can not afford a new car of any sort. We do need more public chargers. They are on the way.

[@JJ-ki6sv]

@@michaelphippen8920 yes, that's not horrible. But if you're driving to the East Coast, that's more, and with children, that starts to wear on you. A plug-in hybrid gives you substantially more flexibility with 5 minute fill ups that give you 600 mile range. That's different when you're traveling with family. I wouldn't care that EVs work only in limited circumstances, and work better for you than for people with large families, except they're pushing federal policy and spending our tax dollars to endorse electric vehicle that only work for a subset of the population. We shouldn't be doing that. I want a vehicle that is electric when I'm driving short, and as efficiently combination of both electric and gas when I'm driving long.

[@garoo1980]

You barely mentioned Tesla which sells 60% of EVs in the US and dropped prices by about 15k this year. It's not a drop in demand for EVs, it's a drop in non-Tesla EVs

[@raheimroberts3032]

Welcome to the mainstream media. They only talk about companies who pay them for advertising

[@johna4387]

The video specifically mentioned Tesla, all of the price cuts, and the fact that 2/3rd of EVs sold are Tesla. Did you actually watch the video?

[@Easore]

@@johna4387 Have you read the comment? He said BARELY

[@sondrejohansen48]

@@Easorebarely??? 3-4 mins of the video is entirely about Tesla

[@CyberSkunk90]

I rented an EV during a vacation once and it was the more stressful thing ever. There were no super chargers within my area and the only chargers available were the ones that took 6 hours to charge. We had to figure out a way to run an extension cord at the resort to the car to charge it over night. Never again, not worth the stress of never knowing when you can charge your car or how

[@doujinflip]

Sounds like insufficient route planning, which is going to remain crucial until a standardized EV charging network becomes as ubiquitous as gas stations. Being a Millennial, I'd wager this break-even point will happen sometime before I'm eligible to draw Social Security.

[@appalachianwoman561]

@@doujinflip What's going to stop electric and power companies once everyone gets an EV from turning greedy like every other corporation and start charging more for EV owners to charge? You think they won't know who plugs in their cars every night, believe me they can already tell from their office without ever coming to your town even if you have a HVAC/Heat Pump or Air conditioning. They'll jack energy prices up on everyone because of the stupid fad of EVs soon enough and it'll make you long for the days of $3 a gallon gasoline.

[@orthopraxis235]

Thank you for being one of the few here willing to tell the truth. Everyone else is just rationalizing their stupid purchase

[@doujinflip]

@@appalachianwoman561 Open standards and competition. EVs don't require the drilling, refining, and bulk transport of HAZMAT, nor does it even require being tied to the public grid. Electrification is democratizing because our local region if not our own property doesn't need constant input from a multinational corporation to generate power.

[@dgomez999]

Recently rented a Tesla model Y from Hertz in Boston.. super speed chargers available everywhere, only had to charge 15 minutes at a time most times. Looks like the problem is with other EV's that cant use the Tesla super charger network.

[@Geno5]

I was in the auto industry for over 30 years. Ford and GM went head first into a market they know very little about. They know ICE vehicles, they do not know enough about EV’s to make the investments they did. Jim Farley followed Mary Barra down a rabbit hole without knowing what was on the other side. Market day supply is important. 60 days had been the target, back in 2020 and 2021 we saw that supply go down to 10-12 days. I believe a good mix is about 30 days. 90-100 days for EV’s shrink profits sharply. (Dealers get floor plan credits) floor plan credits cover the interest to have the vehicle on the lot. It covers 60 days. If you are turning your inventory every 30 days, you are picking up about $700 in additional profit. At 90 days, you lose the $700, plus another $700 to the bank. A $1400 swing in 60 days is a lot of money when you are talking about a dealership that sells 200 vehicles per month. $1.6.-1.7 million dollars a year is nothing to sneeze at. Dealers will not order cars that are going to sit on the lot for 90 days.

[@hockygamer237]

My problem with EV is maintenance, I can't take it to a third party mechanic or fix it myself. If I get an EV I am at the complete mercy of the dealership I get it from. Dealerships are usually the worst places to go for car maintenance, and getting an EV means it's the only option you have.

[@manchuriancandidatethe3rd101]

Tesla don't have dealerships, and traditional OEM's hate selling their own EV's because they dont' make them money. That's why Tesla keeps winning. CNBS is conflating the two hoping to smear Tesla. Nice try.

[@phoenixvette]

This won’t be a problem for long and it’s less of a problem than you think. For Tesla, a repairman comes to you. There are far less parts than a combustion engine, no fuel/air pressure or explosions going on, no fluids besides washer fluid, no oil changes and charging can actually be a convenient way to take care of little tasks in your day. I often charge at Target while I grab some items, at home between errands and on road trips you can zap it while you get a meal. It’s really not worse than a quick gas station trip. Range anxiety is for those who drive over 100 miles a day, but then consider it’s around 0.15¢ per mile versus a truck or suv which is more like 0.40¢ per mile.

[@hockygamer237]

@phoenixvette I'm a hands on type of person, I prefer fixing my own cars, appliances, etc. and having a repairman come to me still works for the Tesla. From what I know they don't sell spare parts to anyone, I don't see any of these companies doing that "out of good will". Anyway, that doesn't mean I hate EVs, they're just not my taste, even the new ICE cars are near impossible to fix without the dealer. If you live in the city and go nowhere else, go ahead and get an EV. For me, I'm happy with cars that are 2010 and older, build to last and easier to fix.

[@froggmann01]

My experience exactly, I had a 14 Chevy Volt for close to 7 years. Loved the car but hated 2 aspects of it: 1. The battery potentially going south after about 10 years and 2. When I did have an issue with it, the dealers in the area wouldn't work on it any more since Chevy had abandoned the platform. Luckily forums still exist and I'm not afraid to turn wrenches. With some tutorials, a laptop, a $120 adapter and a GM software subscription I was able to apply the firmware updates to get the car working properly again. Keep in mind, the car was still under warranty when I had to do all of this, but again, no dealerships to work on it. With this experience, I was afraid of what would happen if something physical did happen to the car. I ended up selling it and purchased an 04 Tundra. Nice and reliable yet easy to work on if something goes sideways. It just gets poor fuel mileage.

[@BigSky71]

Your problem is EV maintenance? How many EVs have you owned? I’ve owned EVs only since 2016 (7 years). The only maintenance I’ve had to do was tires.

[@retiredtech9846]

Living in the mid-west, the lack of charging stations and the increased travel distances are a big concern.

[@mostbeautifulroads9789]

@dyneslair3158 Have a look at Europe, especially Germany or Norway, if you are interested in what EV adoption might look like.

[@mostmost1]

Many charging stations for tesla in the Midwest. I traveled from Chicago to Ann Arbor for $23 round trip.

[@wnxdafriz]

-_- i'm from the midwest.... chicago is not what i would call the midwest try the dakotas, nebraska, etc.... there are basically 0 charging stations around here... also i doubt the thing would even start during out 30 below winters

[@AznPrzsn]

I live in the midwest, how is there a lack of charging stations and I don't see how travel distances get longer, is more ground forming? I travel from MO to FL several times a year, within a day easily. No issues at all.

[@mostbeautifulroads9789]

@@wnxdafriz Europe has a huge EV share compared to the US, especially Norway, which is kinda known for having harsh winters, wouldn't you agree? And weirdly enough it's not like 40% of the population there gets stuck once temperatures turn freezing.

[@slash2freeze]

I think it’s because of the price is too high. Not helping us switch.

[@Itsjrob_]

Bingo lol

[@leovrivera]

Usually not as durable too compared to regular vehicles and hybrids

[@kineticstar]

Dealerships are gouging the market!

[@chiquita683]

Wait until people see their electricity bills with one of those attached to it 😂

[@creolerican]

@@chiquita683 how ignarant can you be, not true at all. do your research, foolio

[@klauscata225]

1. I like keeping my cars 2. I cant afford the huge prices of ev. 3 In case I sell the car I don t want to loose so much money 4. I hate heavy cars

[@IuseanXboxController]

8 years into EV ownership, over 200k miles so far. Both cars bought used for under 18k each. EVs are the future for sure, but most companies need to get their DCFC strategy into a good place. From my experience Tesla is the only current viable option for frequent road trips. Electrify America is ridiculously unreliable when it comes to stated charge rate and stalls that are operational.

[@kenth151]

No body wants to drive across country with an EV. Even with fast charger. Or anybody who is smart.

[@MrCraigtastic]

@@kenth151 People who regularly drive across the US, and need to own a personal vehicle to do that, is a vanishingly small percentage of the population.

[@richardhetrick4770]

The charging stands need be in good repair and there are places one can't go cause charging stands too far apart on long trips the range advertised won't be there in real world like mpg is not what is adertised

[@scoty_does]

I do @@kenth151

[@That-Guy_]

​@@kenth151 I drove my Tesla Model 3 from Houston to Orlando and back without issue.

[@Bob-cd5pp]

I have had EVs for 3 years, first a Leaf now a Bolt. I can say that charging them is a pain unless you can do it at home and many folks can't do it at home so it's easy to see most people do not want one . Living in a free country you should be able to decide what car you drive not have the Government decide for you . I feel sorry for the next generations.

[@donswier]

Glad to hear a fellow EV driver who also doesn't want to force others to abandon ICE. We've enjoyed replacing our old $2500 annual gasoline bill with $500 of electricity, but it only works for homeowners.

[@Furiends]

All of us have had the government decide what cars we can drive with emissions standards and due to the loophole for light duty trucks have made the roads way less safe. However, emissions standards are the reason why cars can go 500 miles on a tank of gas.

[@Argedis]

@@donswier But what your new insurance premium? The Tesla model 3 has an average of $212/mo Both my gas cars are $22/mo ea. Literally 10%. There goes all the gas savings

[@donswier]

@@Argedis Gotta compare apples to apples, I suppose😆 We replaced my old 98 Ranger (333,000 miles!) with a carbon fiber bodied, battery and ICE powered i3 REx. It'd need to be a modern 3 series vs an i4 for insurance comparison.

[@Argedis]

@@donswier Ok Apples to Apples. A brand new Toyota Corolla costs $500 LESS annual premium compared to a regular Tesla Model 3. The Tesla costs more to insure than a Mercedes Benz C Class. There goes all your 'gas savings'

[@jakegreenwald469]

It was -40f here in Montana last week! I didn’t see 1 electric car on the road! Lol

[@Insomniacurse]

As someone who visited every dealership in the last four weeks to explore electric vehicles (EVs), I've had a mixed experience. With the exception of BMW, I can't say it was a great time at any other dealer. They often seemed more interested in their bottom line, pressuring you to make a purchase on the spot, even when you were just looking and planning to decide within the next month. For example, my visit to Mercedes for the EQE SUV left me with a sour taste. The first salesman refused to arrange a test drive, claiming they were too busy, despite several idle salesmen at the entrance. He lost interest when he discovered my trade-in car wasn't on-site and I wasn't willing to fetch it. Fortunately, I found a more accommodating second salesman who let me test drive. However, I found that Mercedes EVs didn't prioritize the typical EV features, like regenerative braking. They lacked a proper one-pedal drive system and seemed more focused on comfort than addressing my questions. Genesis and their Electrified GV70 had performance issues with the air conditioning and seats, but the car handled regenerative braking well. The real problem was the service center's one-star reviews in my area, which made potential buyers wary. At Audi, I couldn't even get a single salesman to assist us despite multiple requests. Although the car wasn't bad, the seats became uncomfortable during extended use. However, the RS E-tron had a more comfortable seat. My experience at BMW with the iX was remarkably different. From the moment I walked in, they assigned me a dedicated salesman who didn't pressure me. He was able to answer all my questions. We conducted several test drives, including highway drives. The car's regenerative braking was exceptional, and it offered impressive range; some drivers report getting 360 miles from a 305-mile range. As for Cadillac's Lyriq, the car itself had no issues. However, acquiring a car with super cruise proved to be a challenge. Dealers at two different locations informed me that no one who ordered a Sport 2 or Luxury 2 in 2022 had received their cars, while buyers of Sport 1, Luxury 1, and Tech 1 had received theirs. Additionally, the saleswoman was preoccupied with other customers despite our scheduled appointment, resulting in a 20-minute wait for a test drive. There were more dealerships I visited, but this is already becoming a lengthy post.

[@lancasterritzyescargotdine2602]

Hopefully, you've learned more about trusting car dealers than you ever learned about spelling and grammar! Hang onto that old car until you know just how deep a financial bath you're taking with some unknown, untested, unproven EV. None are within ten years of being market-ready.

[@Insomniacurse]

@@lancasterritzyescargotdine2602 Teslas have been around for 11 years. How many years are required to show a proven method? Appreciate your vigilance on spelling and grammar. Does it genuinely boost your confidence to point out mistakes in others? If so, you might consider seeking some help. I quick wrote the first comment, just for you I rewrote it.

[@dekumutant]

@@lancasterritzyescargotdine2602 Jesus christ are disliking EVs that much of your personality?

[@Palkia8842]

I went to a used car dealer to look at a retired Police Dodge Charger online and he kept fear mongering that "A salesman is gonna push us to buy even though we're just looking." The one guy there didn't even bother us and he answered every question. I would like to go to multiple dealers just to look at cars, but my grandad doesn't like that idea because "It's too early to look." Smh, once I get my license I'll do it myself.

[@Ob1Chosen1]

@@lancasterritzyescargotdine2602You need serious help! I’d prioritize that over grammar checking others under an EV KZbin video.

[@jamesx2703]

In the UK there was a rule that ICE vehicles couldn't be sold past 2030, that then got changed to 2035 and it feels like overnight people were less interested in EVs. I guess 11 years is a long time and people expect to change their cars maybe twice in that time

[@Tajmaj]

I think the main issue is the long distance travel. Even in DC it was stressful finding charging stations for Tesla rental

[@JJ-ki6sv]

You can't beat physics. Energy density cannot be beat easily, and evs aren't close. 5 minutes to drive 600 miles would explode a battery. Plug-in hybrid is the way, it's basically an ev for 80% of driving. But you have a bailout in case of power outage, long distance, and going to places with little coverage (national parks for example?)

[@JMAduBreil]

That is so true, the future has a big big range issue. If there was a way to maximize the energy recuperation while driving in order to extend the charge for something close to 900 miles and make the battery durable enough so it would never need to be replaced during the vehicule life, that would flip the table.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Not in china

[@quintonstevens]

How long ago? I’ve taken several longer trips and had zero issues. I even got the short range model because my daily driving isn’t that much.

[@Kay0Bot]

ummm....why not just have an EV and a gas car. what % American household has only 1 car?

[@kevinmoser4609]

The biggest factor for me is cost. I can't afford most new EVs. I mostly drive in the city with 2-3 long distance trips per year so I'd be open to an EV if there were more affordable options that were actually intriguing.

[@tezzytech7135]

Model 3 starts at 38K

[@truthisforever1000]

@@tezzytech7135 unless the car lasts forever and needs repairs then 38k is insane, i wont spend over a grand on a car since u dont own any of it, the cops can just steal ur property when ever they want, im good enjoy the collapse

[@things4yougaming723]

Used model 3 is less 27k

[@jyskib]

@@things4yougaming723that’s still an expensive car. Plus you could buy a very nice Toyota with that much it will last 20+ years. Until the Evs get under 20k I don’t see them being competitive.

[@TorraTech]

I agree, the other aspect of wanting an ev with a range that can equal out to most consumer gas powered cars. My girl's 2014 altima has a calculated 600 Mile range when at 33 MPG. The extended range on the Tesla 3 is just shy of half of that, plus as they mentioned, not as many public charging stations.

[@sandeewood2948]

I don’t think you would have to worry about someone stealing your ev because who would want one…

[@CoverBydAn]

Dealing with dealers is one of those things where the hearsay matches the actual experience. Dealerships are the worst. It’s like they just all decide to hire trashy people

[@XXPYR0XX]

🤣 aint that the truth. 😅😂🤣

[@sttuuddeerr]

Only trash people pursue those kind of jobs. My experiences with those crooks are wild, I have a hard time even talking to salesmen let-alone believing a single thing that leaves their mouth.

[@ducvanbui36]

Bought a new truck and a Tesla this year. I really hate dealership. The Tesla buying experience is next to none. I will never buy from a dealership ever again. This video highlights pure dealership BS and desperation as this aging model needs to go. Nothing but predators.

[@taylorc2542]

If Elon wins the Nobel peace prize it shouldn't be for climate change, or even internet free speech, but rather for putting crooked dealerships out of business.

[@thenotoriousjoey9956]

@@sttuuddeerrlol trash people pursue those jobs. Who knows who you’re dealing with but not everyone like that

[@willr4318]

I’m surprised no one talks about the charging time. As someone who lives in an apartment it’s really not feasible for me

[@The_Quaalude]

Most people don't own homes, let alone have a new home that can charge a car without. American infrastructure can't support everyone having an EV

[@nickotekmusic]

How do you mean? I live in an apartment and dont have any issues at all. With a Tesla Model 3 just charging once a week near the office or on a Tesla charger for ca 20 minutes.

[@apexi350z]

Not everyone has the luxury of charging car in the office. My issue is charging on the road, if I'm going on a long trip 8+ hrs, the charging time will cut into my total travel time, and that is not very convenient for most people.

[@The_Quaalude]

@@nickotekmusic inductive reasoning at its finest

[@thaphreak]

I live in a house and don't even charge at home, I have no worries or range anxiety, stop making obstacles that don't exist.

[@jamieson88]

Perhaps the recession, inflation, interest rates, etc. really are impacting this segment of consumer spending as well? Could that be a macroeconomic factor?

[@kaijen2688]

They are going to repop 10 million cars, foreclosures are up 100% and unemployment is rising. It is time to hunker down and ride out at least the next two years.

[@1flash3571]

You make too much sense. These Media sites is trying to bring Tesla down. Period. IT doesn't affect other EV manufacturers because they don't sell enough EVs individually to make an impact. It will affect overall EV market for sure, but them selling 20k per year isn't much of an impact for the overall consumers, but it will affect the individual companies selling those EVs.

[@danielzhang1916]

the cost and charging/infrastructure are holding people back, maybe now is the time to focus on more hybrids too, it could be years until EV reaches at least ~13% or so, especially with how the market is, we need to rethink all this

[@Movetheproduct]

Buy oil fools.

[@mottthehoople693]

@@kaijen2688 and america isnt robinson crusoe either lots of western cou tries are in the same boat.Maybe its time our financial system was rebooted into something better

[@RoboNurse84]

My wife and I bought our first car almost a year ago. A brand new EV was at least $90K while a used Kia with less than 7K km was $30K. It was a no brainer. Plus, how do these companies think apartment dwellers will recharge their vehicles? Canada wants to have majority EV vehicles by 2030-35 and there’s NO WAY that’s going to happen!

[@mholden020]

It’s not about pricing, it’s not about inflation, it’s that the buyers who were interested in an EV from the start have purchased one. Now we see the market hit a soft wall where an EV is either not a consideration for the buyer, or it’s not a slam dunk anymore. If it was just a price issue the drop in sales should happen across most cars (since even ICE vehicles are also seeing markups), if not all. I just bought a new car a few months ago and I didn’t even have a first thought of buying an EV and I doubt I ever will for many reasons, including range. While watching this I took a moment to think of my friends and family, and all but one of those people (who bought a Tesla this year) is not interested in a fully electric vehicle at all. Plug-in Hybrids, however, are an option for all of those people.

[@diverman1023]

The technology and infrastructure simply isn’t there for an EV purchase make sense for most Americans. Could see this happening from a mile away

[@brucefrykman8295]

When were EVs a "slam dunk?" They are made of pure bull feces.

[@raymondweaver3078]

Probably some just bought into the hype

[@luanaspa4400]

If you want to burn to death in a fire that's difficult to put out in a vehicle that's vulnerable to explode says the firefighters, then you are not using common sense.

[@keithwiebe1787]

@@luanaspa4400 Yet your were perfectly fine with 25 gallons of gasoline behind the seat in a pickup years ago. What changed?