CNC EMI Ferrite Installed STEP & DIRECTION Cables (Bullet Proof Your Controller)

[@joshuacaylor881]

Finally got my homebuilt CNC plasma table moving last night. Looking into additional filtering options and came across this video again. It was nice to watch a second time around. Very informative. Thank you again for your societal contribution haha

[@corvetteguy50]

Thank you for your support. I'm glad it helped. Thank you, Vince

[@testingbeta7169]

dude first 2 minutes is pure gold. things nobody say despite knowing. Thanks for sharing

[@corvetteguy50]

Testing Beta7 thank you for the support I really appreciate it. Vince

[@insanet3]

bro you described me exactly in the first 30 seconds, LOL, i've been playing with my mini CNC for 2 years milling wood just fine, yesterday i started tinkering with some aluminum milling for the first time, and all hell broke loose, and now im here, down the rabbit hole.

[@corvetteguy50]

insanet3 thank you for your support. I really appreciate it. Vince

[@puntabachata]

My guess is that the spindle/router is inducing eddy currents into the aluminum work piece whenever it is close proximity but not touching. When touching, the workpiece is grounded. Maybe try grounding the workpiece to the CNC frame to mitigate this.

[@killerbcnc6645]

Your videos are always informative. Thank you for taking the time to put out all these videos. I just received these cables and they are made so well it makes me want to replace all my other cables. Your attention to details and quality are refreshing.

[@corvetteguy50]

Thank you David I appreciate the kind words. :) Vince

[@trialnterror]

I worked for a contractor where we built military cables that had to be shielded against emi in case of a nuclear attack and we shielded every connection with these.

[@corvetteguy50]

Yes sir, there's simply no easier way to go to eliminate noise while eliminating the extra time, and labor with ground drains from shielded cables. Thank you, Vince

[@josebelmar5942]

Thanks for making these videos. Been saying the same thing to my manufacturer but they don't seem to believe in noise.

[@corvetteguy50]

Jose, thank you for your support. I'm not sure why your manufacturer won't listen, but have them review CNC zone's forum issues, and EMI is usually present in at least 75% of the cases. Your right, and your manufacturer should listen. Thank you, and have a great weekend! Vince

[@247chiranjeevi]

Hi. Thank you for the video. i wanted to know if i can use a clamp-on type ferrite bead passing the entire signal bundle(stp+, stp-, dir+ ,dir-) within the ferrite bead. Thanks in advance.

[@corvetteguy50]

Thank you for your support. Ferrites are only effective for short distances (12in, and under) if that's what you're trying to do. If however you're trying to filter motor cables over length its best practice to utilize double shielded cable. Thank you, Vince

[@American_Made]

I have a csmio-ip-s and using Teknic clearpath drives that have their own cables. Trying to decide what is best, do I need to shield the cables inside my box or do I need attach them to the outside of the box and then use something like this type of wire on the inside of my box? My machine runs but I need to clean up the wiring. The csmio-ip has the drivers and controller as part of a single package, so no wiring between them like this.

[@corvetteguy50]

Thank you for your support. In best practice all signal wires inside the electronics enclosure should be shielded. All motor cables in best practice used outside the electronics enclosure should be double shielded to mitigate EMI. Thank you, Vince

[@imjustger]

Thank you so much, I have a laser cutter that is loosing steps even if I run it at ultra slow speed and acceleration , I'm gonna try the ferrite solution and hope it works.

[@corvetteguy50]

Jerry, thank you for your support, and I hope it does, but make sure the system is using double shielded cables throughout to assure system stability. Thank you, and have a great weeeknd! Vince

[@kraken3d718]

What are the ferrites used to solder in place? The ebay link was dead and was curious what you used wanted to try to make a few cables on a 3d printer to satisfy a theory I have.

[@corvetteguy50]

Kraken, Thank you for your support. The ferrites aren't soldered in place. They are slid into position on the cables, and held in position with heat shrink tubing. I corrected the link to them in my store. Thank you for the heads up. Vince

[@ronald44181000]

Thanks for the video. I keep getting into conversations about this subject and as you state in the beginning it turns into a Pissing Match. I will be sharing the hell out of this one as I've been assisting a couple people on this very subject in the past few days. This one really hits the spot Dead On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As an aside for those of who are unable to obtain them. The Crimped Ferrules that are used to connect to the various Drivers are almost impossible to find. I've tried to find them through Digikey and Mouser and but getting the proper ones for Drivers are a nightmare as there are too many to choose from. It would make a great product to add to your catalogue.

[@corvetteguy50]

Ron,Thank you, and I appreciate the support. Its unfortunate this happens, but this is why forums most of the time are all but useless except for the basic of yes, and no questions. My website is almost done, and it will feature learning you pay for, but will streamline the learning curve, which will save you the time, and money you hoped for.Thank you,Vince

[@ronald44181000]

As soon as you get your New Website up and running send me a link will you please. I was hoping that you were going to have a pay for what you need web series. I'll definitely be one of your first subscribers seeing as you are the Gecko Guru.

[@corvetteguy50]

Thank you Ron. Its going to offer many things that have been missing from this expanding industry when it comes to support.Vince

[@innovativecnc3928]

Excellent video Vince, what a great idea!

[@corvetteguy50]

Thank you James, and I know we'll have many more. :)Vince

[@trialnterror]

Just curious, Have you tried the clamp on type? Would they work as good as the ones you have now? Or is this what your using?

[@corvetteguy50]

Trialnterror, thank you for your support. I would have certainly done that, but the snap on units aren't available in 18awg wire diameter. They will provide the same result as long as they fit snug. Thank you, and have a great weekend! Vince

[@watahyahknow]

so you just put the ferules on the wires and an x distance from the ends then put crimping on or do you wind them through the ferules a few times ?

[@corvetteguy50]

Thank you for your support. You install the Ferrites at roughly 2 inches from the ends, and install the ferrules by soldering, and then crimping for lowest resistance. This must be done carefully to not melt the plastic on the ferrule. Thank you, Vince

[@MrIonutz2008]

Hi again, so, coming now with this great method of fight with interferrences, if we use ferrite on each end of each wire, do we still need the wire to be shielded ? It's wrong if attach ferrite on shielded wire ? Does have efficiency the ferrite clipped on multicore cable shielded or unshielded ? Thank you and sorry for giving you headaches.

[@corvetteguy50]

Shielded wire can be used with the proper frequency ferrites, but for some applications shielded wire isn't the best option. You can easily still use a ferrite over shielded cable, but to have them be effective the ferrite must be able to filter electrical noise at the required frequency that will interfere with the component its protecting to be effective. Thank you, Vince

[@MrIonutz2008]

Oh God, now the things became more confusing. I thought it's just a ferrite filter over a wire but now i understand it has to have a certain frequency to pair with the shield. So i think i will go with shielded cable only, at least this way i will not damage something by attaching the wrong ferrites. Many thanks .

[@MrIonutz2008]

In another specter, over unshielded single or multicore cable is there a certain frequency ferrite to use, or could be any ? Thank you.

[@corvetteguy50]

All ferrite selections should be done based on the frequency of electrical noise your trying to isolate your components from. Thank you, Vince

[@Z-add]

Why don't the component manufacturers publish guidelines on shielding. Does gecko publish any instructions in this regard.

[@corvetteguy50]

Its a good question. Certain manufacturers do, and some don't. Gecko like many other manufactures assume the DIY end user/engineer the one who should be up to speed on what their doing when purchasing their drives, and building their own system. Thank you, Vince

[@rameshrk7531]

I need your help. Please help me to correct my CNC machine.

[@corvetteguy50]

Ramesh, thank you for your support. Please message me what issues your having with what hardware. Thank you, Vince

[@rameshrk7531]

@@corvetteguy50 I have CNC machine I got it for seconds for reasonable price after I got I am decided install remote. One my friend know about it and help me to install but after we installed machine making a notice like vibrates not all time some times in some points all stepper motors were sound like vibration if I move the machine it will get stop vibration sound.

[@corvetteguy50]

@@rameshrk7531 This is typically because of motor tuning. I suggest reviewing the Mach3 users manual as it covers adjustment of the velocity, and motor tuning settings. Thank you, Vince

[@rameshrk7531]

@@corvetteguy50 I don't have any user manual and I just have a machine, computer and A11 DSP remote that's it...

[@corvetteguy50]

Do the motors move correctly without the pendant plugged in? Thank you, Vince

[@drumstick9000]

no drain wires needed on this type of EMI negating wire? I'll be watching out for you to promote your website in your videos. Do you know yet if it will be a one time payment of a monthly subscription website?

[@corvetteguy50]

There's no need for a drain wire when using Ferrites as they don't require them. They are an active EMI filter. I'll offer different types of support options to fit virtually everybody's requirement. thank you for your support. Vince

[@ronald44181000]

Any NEWS concerning your New Website?

[@corvetteguy50]

Ron,The site is going through setups for different types of support, and will be live shortly. I will do a video announcing it once its ready. Thank you,Vince

[@ronald44181000]

I'm waiting with bated breath.

[@corvetteguy50]

:)Thank you,Vince

[@jestahcarnie4307]

Love the vid, thanks for taking the time to post it up . Keen to hear more of an expansion on why you go to that extra effort to crim then solder your ends. I was always told to not solder a joint going into a compression fitting hence using a bootlace crimp. If you then solder a crimped bootlace would it not suffer the same issues over time when it ends up in fitting? I have been luck to work on some very nice euro CNC gear and never seen them backfill with solder.

[@corvetteguy50]

Jestah,Thank you for your support.The solder joint on a ferrule is a little different than a traditional joint. The ferrule is simply a metal overlay that takes the force from the compression of the screw from the terminal on the breakout board or driver. The solder joint itself is never actually touched. Many claim never to put a solder joint under compression pressure, but its never really discussed in proper detail using common sense logic. A solder joint used on screw terminal that never exceeds 8oz in on an 18awg cable is never an issue. Its when you put a solder joint under large amounts of pressure that end up in premature fractures., or when you use it in an application that requires constant frequent adjustment, or removal.Thank you,Vince

[@jestahcarnie4307]

Thanks for your reply. My understanding of using the right size bootlace ferrule with a square/octagonal profile iris style crimping tool was that it pre-compacts the wires providing low resistance and the protection from a screw/ease of swapping are just sweet secondary features. Surely solder will flow over time under ANY pressure and the terminals will need to be nipped up periodically. While they do tend to snap due to no strain relief at the solder to wire junction I am more concerned of a connector that can "flow" lose over time showing up as an intermittent fault. I have found many an old CNC issue comes back to just needing all the connectors given a quick tweak and NEVER see a soldered joint in top end CNC from euro (those machines often will spec exact torque setting needed for each screw in the electrical cabinet to be checked before final sign off and many are moving to sprung loaded terminals !) Surely the solder your adding into the mix, while not as bad due to pre-compaction, will flow a small amount over time? Being a bit nitpicky but always interested when I see others going to the extra mile and if there is a reason that back it up.

[@travisarnett9558]

Adding ferrite beads to both ends of a signal level wire will greatly negate EMI/RFI going into the components being wired. The ferrite beads or toroids(when a higher inductance is needed)create a low pass filter allowing the relative low frequency pulses to pass unimpeded, while blocking the unwanted higher frequency noise. You don't even need an oscilloscope to get an idea about how much noise you're dealing with, just a little AM radio will let you hear it. This is just your internal system noise, what the machine itself produces. I am not sure why the only interference I read about is electromagnetic, but radio frequency is as problematic if not more than EMI, especially when intermittent problems arise that doesn't seem to coincide with anything on your property. Are you fairly close to an A.M. transmitter, a trucker with a misaligned C.B., especially with an amplifier, an insulator on a power line is breaking down, and many other sources. If your wiring is not shielded and properly grounded, they're basically antennas pumping all this unwanted hash into your system.

[@corvetteguy50]

Travis, That's a very well written explanation. Thank you for your support.Vince