CNOU Pioneer Review | Star Citizen buyer's guide and Deep Dive

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@arcakhangaming Ай бұрын

First ship I bought in 2017. Can’t wait to finally have it in game and working 😊

@AW-po7jr Ай бұрын

Good call! How much did you pay?

@arcakhangaming Ай бұрын

@ think I paid $550 warbond concept

@ANDROAZ_Gaming Ай бұрын

Can't wait till this is finally out of concept. I've owned the jpg for years.

@corbett666 Ай бұрын

I've been saying the same about AI crew. Even larger orgs will struggle to have people commit to manning all the stations at all times on larger ships, I was shocked they pushed that past the V1 release.

@CraigPaschang Ай бұрын

The subreddit is full of people who claim to want to be Crewman 18 on a giant ship, but I don’t think that will entice a broader audience.

@corbett666 Ай бұрын

@@CraigPaschangI agree. And even those who want to, you’re not going to want to bring capital ships back to central landing areas often, so getting your crew will be a once in a while thing, you’re then stuck with those you have, who then have to log on when you log on. You’d have to be a special kind of devotee to play like that!

@JL-rj9fl Ай бұрын

@@corbett666Yeah, and there's the novelty factor as well. Some might only find it fun a few times before they want to captain their own ship or do something else instead. Some roles are just more engaging than others. Hopefully they'll still deliver NPC crew eventually to help supplement those less exciting roles.

@Cynry Ай бұрын

It might let an interesting meta emerge, though. It could steer people toward smaller ships for everyday things, and pit the big ones in a niche for rare occasions. If I'm in an org that can compete for the weekly planetary shield, I can put my personal enjoyment temporarily to help man a big ship when it's time to capture the relevant POIs and secure our week of protection. The rest of the time would be as you describe, too much bother for too little gains. So you'd see solo ships most of the time, with some big ships for big opportunities. That wouldn't be a bad meta to reach, I think.

@JL-rj9fl Ай бұрын

@@Cynry I agree, that wouldn't be a bad outcome. I find that's how things are for me: there's some ships I just don't use often and it's a special treat to take then out. The Reclaimer is one such ship for me. Even though people solo it all the time, I find it really tedious; however, when I use it with friends it's such great experience and we have a great time together.

@pc1974qld Ай бұрын

I bought a Pioneer a while ago, I was not really sure about buying it then, but now, I very happy I did. My idea was to get paid to build in the verse for players

@michaelmichaelagnew8503 Ай бұрын

You will need that pioneer to build that large base As well as space stations, I think your getting confused on the actual purpose of the ship.

@pc1974qld Ай бұрын

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 I'll build a base for me, space stations will be too much just for me, what do I do with it now, just let it sit there unused, or build for others ?

@michaelphillips3148 Ай бұрын

I just need one friend that owns the Pioneer, that's all.

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

Get them to build you an XL fabricator to build your own Pioneer 😅

@AW-po7jr Ай бұрын

Looking forward to steal one 😄

@T51B1 Ай бұрын

You assume they will use it to help you instead of helping themselves

@XquizitRush Ай бұрын

I'm going to fight like hell in the F5 war for one this IAE. I'll be your friend.

@kevinmoore9196 Ай бұрын

i will be that friend..for the right price

@serrethindustries9468 24 күн бұрын

Grabbed mine at IAE a few days ago. Completed the org motorpool. So excited for space station building.

@throdwobblermangrove6200 Ай бұрын

This ship is the absolute Endgame of Star Citizen. I am not sure if it should be purchaseable for real money. Beside that: Yes. Its great and I hope we will se more Consolidate Outland ships in the future.

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

That price tag just hurts so bad. Agreed though, this really feels like the end game

@throdwobblermangrove6200 Ай бұрын

@@Space-Tech The price is as big as the featurelist of this ship but I ask myself: What comes next? Will te next big ship make the pioneer look like a "second choice " ship? And what will I get when I pay 1.500 Euro for the kraken? And there are even bigger ships planed. There is a big risk of FOMO

@davewills6121 Ай бұрын

Its a ship that is not a reality for solo players, its a colosus, the reality of using one far exceeds the romance of owning one, the clowns you see commenting ''cant wait for my Pioneer, cant wait for my Polaris, cant wait for my BMM'' are mostly, not all, but most are delusional. The resources, support, and time involved is for a well oiled Org/Group. Thank god some of us are graced with a pinch of common sense.Although this robot will benifit from AI/NPC's as it will all be automated and scripted.

@throdwobblermangrove6200 Ай бұрын

@@davewills6121 I agree. Ships like the pioneer needs an Orga playing around this one ship. not only to provide a crew for the ship but also supporting ships and some kind of protection. So, owning a ship like the pioneer will define the Orga gameplay.

@davewills6121 Ай бұрын

@@throdwobblermangrove6200 I have anough in my account to buy 6 Pioneers, yet i didn't sign up to Star Citizen to become a public service, ide like a cart, or something a little bigger, yet even the BLD will be way beyond nearly everyonew potential, what are they expecting, nip down to Walmart to buy the supplies? kinda No.

@DakotaRileyMedia Ай бұрын

I bought one on warbond today and I am very excited for the ship. too bad it went up to 825 warbond, 925 store credit, with a chance to go up even more at launch, and it lost the land claim and beacon for future purchases starting this IAE

@NyssaW-c8q Ай бұрын

I honestly think the Pioneer is the greatest ship in the game. - Extractors and Refining - 4 large crafting stations - 4 XL drones for any size structure and space stations - 1000 scu - medbay - Capacity to carry 2 small ships on landing pad and fabrication bay - Small ship size fabrication bay that can create and upgrade ships. - large amenities area For everything noncombat it gives you whatever you need to tackle whatever project you want. The ship is stacked and the perfect mobile base. Bigger than a idris too. If you could only choose 1 ship in the game, I would take the pioneer any day. I’m incredibly excited for this ship and expect it to skyrocket in price.

@GreatWolfBalistic Ай бұрын

I would like a carrier variant that has more landing pad elevators, which can provide repair for heavy fighters and medium ships like the cutlass or zues.

@andylester4503 Ай бұрын

@@GreatWolfBalistic it would seem logical to combine the fab and hanger in to 1 large fab, also it would make sense to put a large landing pad on the front.

@XquizitRush Ай бұрын

I'm joining the F5 war for it this IAE.

@AW-po7jr Ай бұрын

It’s a very interesting ship but I believe you are going to need an org to run it. Also, you can’t ccu to it and 800 is very painful for a digital item. That’s why I am going to pass

@AW-po7jr Ай бұрын

@@GreatWolfBalisticit’s called a Kraken

@reptilespantoso Ай бұрын

Hopefully in a few years we can play this. 👍

@lesterdesalvo7098 Ай бұрын

It's one of the vehicles that is expected to come out sometime next year.

@stoneguard Ай бұрын

I could melt some ships and buy a pioneer, but I think I’ll make it my first major “end game” goal. One problem with buying so many ships is it leaves me little progression to look forward to, but this seems like a great goal that will unlock a whole different style of play than basing my operations out of my Polaris.

@philipbecker2926 Ай бұрын

Love your objective Videos keep going!

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

Will you be trying for a Pioneer this IAE? Join the discord here! discord.com/invite/g6D2NsjZx2

@AIPilot-Boda Ай бұрын

Luckily already got one last year and love the changes. Also, Pioneer was shown in the ships coming in the next 12 months or so.

@TheSiriusEnigma Ай бұрын

@@Space-Tech no. With the exception of the station seed, everything else can be done with a “ground” base. The true power of the pioneer is the ability to do it while moving around. I don’t need it.

@UNBE4R4BLE Ай бұрын

Potential Org Money Printer Thanks for the indepth breakdown

@zazzrazzamatazz9970 Ай бұрын

It went from a base building ship to become a do it all industrial powerhouse.

@sitrixs9409 Ай бұрын

I'll believe it once i see it. CIG is known for good ideas and pies in the skies. However the execution leaves a lot to be desired. I don't want CIG to fail, but as costumer I would buy it, once its in the game and works as intended.

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

Completely understandable, which is why I don't even bring up the new cash price. If you've already spent enough on fighters, then it's easier to move credit around :)

@sitrixs9409 Ай бұрын

@Space-Tech yup at thus point I can just melt store credit and swap ships to try them out.

@XquizitRush Ай бұрын

The Ownership 1.0 feature is going to make multi-crewed ships more realistic and attainable.

@gmangator Ай бұрын

Would manufacturers such as Anvil and Aegis allow people to build their ships using their designs and bypass them? Maybe the ships built are off-brand ships or monitored closely by the manufacturers and come with a hefty surcharge to compensate them.. I'm curious how CIG will do that.

@joelellis7035 Ай бұрын

I think CIG addressed this with reputation. If you want to get blueprints for a military Hornet mk.II, you have to earn a significant amount of reputation (i.e., trust) with Anvil. That still leads to a certain amount of exclusivity aside from the general public.

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

Exactly as he said, you'll have to earn or purchase that blueprint first. Difference is that once you have the blueprint you can help others skip the grind

@pheebs8451 Ай бұрын

Excited for this ship. Going to flood the market with choccy bars!

@saosaoldian6742 Ай бұрын

This is an organization ship and logically should only be purchased by orgs. My org has one. Individuals buying it without friends are going to waste their money. But people do illogical things.

@sanctred Ай бұрын

I guess I don’t agree with this because a solo player can offer their serves to orgs that don’t have access to this ship. Manufacturing as a service. I can see a time when an org would pay to have someone help them build an outpost. Not to mention this is a great way to meet people in game and make friends and find good orgs to join.

@HSCxBeast Ай бұрын

That not how this ship will work lol

@sanctred Ай бұрын

@@HSCxBeast who are you talking? I don’t think the OP or me were making assertions on how the ship will work? It’s pretty clear how the ship works since it was a highlight at citcon this year.

@Rippedyanu1 Ай бұрын

I mean, it pulls resources itself and refines them, turn you queue up the fabs and drones to build stuff. You don't need a ton of people to do that. This frankly is probably the lowest personnel requirement cap ship

@MTODbasics Ай бұрын

Would love to be a crewmember on this in the far future when it comes out.

@andylester4503 Ай бұрын

I have one, when it drops in the PTU your welcome to jump on test it out with the rest of us.

@JL-rj9fl Ай бұрын

Great overview, especially the points about component manufacturing for the ships it creates. This is awesome but way too big for me. 🙂 I would be the person who contracts out a pioneer to help if I ever wanted to build massive structures.

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

Really feels like an Org ship more than anything else. Thanks for the comment!

@JL-rj9fl Ай бұрын

@Space-Tech Yeah, I suspect I'll probably use the little CSV-FM vehicle for a lot of my own base building.

@arthurvartanov2573 Ай бұрын

I know many ppl hyped about Pioneer but to be honest its not such a good ship as many may think. It can build medium ships and components but you can build even bigger ships and components on your large base. About gathering resourses you can do it with Starlancer BLD, Its even better and smaller, all those rich resourses will be in Pyro anyway so you can fly in Pyro with BLD build large extractors gather what you need and then get out fast, you cant do this with such a huge ship as Pioneer. Large extractors will gather alot more than Pioneer itself. Also about XL bases and Space tations, this is really only for big orgs so its not make sense for avarage player. You can build large base in safe system with Starlancer BLD and also gather resourses in Pyro with it. Also in future they may add to BLD option to build medium space stations.

@andylester4503 Ай бұрын

Chat with the "Pi0neer owners group" if you want a construction tower built for you. We plan to connect players who want something built with pioneer owners.

@TheSiriusEnigma Ай бұрын

For now. Having a restricted purchase ship being the single linchpin for space stations is a way to "slow" down players to end game content. Eventually, they will be other XL carrying builder drone carriers.

@XquizitRush Ай бұрын

I do not believe there will be a shortage of Pioneers to hire. How many waves of 2000 have they already sold? Total sold so far is something like 14,000 units, isn't it?

@TheSiriusEnigma Ай бұрын

@ I am fundamentally against the fact that real money and artificial limited availability can lock game features. I understand that CiG does not want dozen of thousands of partly completed space stations cluttering the verse. But at the same time, those “lesser” stations are going to be 80+% of the actual stations game play. Not one will bother attacking an org with unlimited recourses and personal. In short, overly large orgs will be detrimental to end game play.

@BlazinDragon88 Ай бұрын

Can we solo the Pioneer? Cos im thinking to melt all my CCUs ($1000+) and just leave my aurora with game+sq42 then get the Pioneer? Then the game for me will be building/crafting my way up to earn in game ships etc.... what u guys think? 🤔

@MTODbasics Ай бұрын

Short answer: No. It's a floating factory, one individual cannot make effective use of it. Besides you'll be a giant target out in space with all your resources on board. You cannot defend yourself alone, you'll need to have a dedicated security crew and ground crew to build all the things the ship is capable of.

@BlazinDragon88 Ай бұрын

@@MTODbasics what about when AI crew comes in? Also wouldn't it take a concerted effort from an org or something to be able to do any damage to the Pioneer as its a CAP ship so would have Capital shields etc. & what if I find some out of the way place to build the base so people wont come attacking. I understand a solo player wont be able to crew the ship to its full potential and wont be able to properly defend the ship if under attack, but I'm thinking if I build out of the way and being solo I wont have as much resources as other orgs to be worth attacking (kinda wondering how often would people want to attack etc as I rarely ever encounter pirates or pvp in SC)

@RedDwarf1 Ай бұрын

You'd be stuck with just an Aurora, pretty useless ship, for a long time.

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

It's hard to anticipate this far from release, but while it may be technically soloable with AI, it will be horribly inefficient to do so. It's not as bad as a combat ship, but if you're solo and you get attacked, you're pretty much dead in this ship.

@andylester4503 Ай бұрын

In the original sales pitch in Germany they said it would be solo able.

@2panzur Ай бұрын

I don't need one, but I want one. 11 year backer so the inner struggle , To melt or not to melt, that is the question. I hope its time limited not hull limited.

@AW-po7jr Ай бұрын

It’s hull limited now and they surely won’t change that. They are going to ride that „FOMO“ wave hard.

@thefaithfulcraftsman7471 Ай бұрын

I got mine last IAE and am now even more excited for it then I was before! I think this will become my favorite and most used ship once it's added to the game. My main game play loops are crafting and base building, so excited to see the robust crafting/base building/blueprint systems coming to Star Citizen. Here's hoping they can get it done by the end of next year. I'm definitely one of those folks you mentioned that want to build the big base, space station and craft the Bengal. Thanks for the video.

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

Nice!! This may become the silent favorite of a lot of big orgs after this citizencon!

@miguelhidalgo9372 Ай бұрын

I stopped ✋️ buying concept ships. I got stuck on the Perseus and refuse to advance Chris Roberts until they complete the missing features like the Carrack.

@Space-Tech Ай бұрын

Yup, totally get that. It's why I recommend just melting small ships you've got if you've already spent the money. Fresh cash is hard on this one

@MILSPECMOM Ай бұрын

I just want basic base building implemented and working correctly but hell ya this is exciting regardless. o7 As for price; subjective as people place value on things differently. I just wanted to hit concierge but now I buy based on love of design and usage. o7

@TairnKA Ай бұрын

I feel the highest tier (5?) should only be available from the factory and player-built ships can only reach the second highest tier (4?), but specific components and sub-components (fuses and relays) constructed from superior materials could have additional bonuses (resiliency, faster, stronger, etc...).

@Spike.SpiegeI Ай бұрын

This ship is insane, there is no ship I want more in game.

@Thor_Asgard_ Ай бұрын

Damn right its unbelievable, as they never get anything done besides timesinks. Edit: Iam in one of the biggest orgs and still noone wants to play with you in a multicrew ship, everyone besides a few people just want their own. Their manned idea was not only stupid for ship layouts but will also be a bad gameplay decission.

@aka-47k Ай бұрын

pretty sure it will come out same as carrac, without anything the ship supposed to do and have.

@krimsonfunk Ай бұрын

This shit ain’t coming out and if it does , it will be useless.

@Spike.SpiegeI Ай бұрын

Interesting. I'm in a medium-sized org and we typically don't have issues finding people to man multi-crew. We usually just rotate who's ship we're on so sometimes you're pilot, other times you're a crew member on someone else's ship.

@Thor_Asgard_ Ай бұрын

@@Spike.SpiegeI Sounds more like a special group of people inside a medium sized org. Lucky you, but on the other hand, the rotation aspect is not exactly what i was looking for.

@serrethindustries9468 24 күн бұрын

This is silly. My entire org prefers to crew other people's ships. Taking your own it is such a pain. Lol

@CPLWeeks Ай бұрын

Lofty goals for a game whose doors don't work after v3.2.4.

@joelellis7035 Ай бұрын

This seems to be the ultimate swiss army knife of ships now. Extracting (mining), refining, crafting (armor, weapons, ships, components), base building, medical. The question in my mind now is what other ships will now have fabricators on them? Wouldn't it make sense for a light carrier or larger to have fabricators on board to repair or replace damaged components? Shouldn't the Idris have some fabricators for like ship components (size 1 or 2)?

@Ltmifune Ай бұрын

Going to need to wait another 10 years

@slyguy16us Ай бұрын

the new pioneer seems too good kinda wish i would have gotten it back when it was concept now. as a rule I wont buy ships without LTI so while I want one I may have to wait to get one in game.

@AW-po7jr Ай бұрын

The bad news: it’s going to be above 1k eventually, the good news: ships above 1k get LTI (at least at the moment.)

@slyguy16us Ай бұрын

@AW-po7jr yeah not sure I am willing to spend 1k we will see how I feel in a year when it's closer to release

@AW-po7jr Ай бұрын

@@slyguy16us yeah, I know I am rather getting a new Oled than a Ship I might not be able to operate with my 3 player Org. Also I am not that into grind, nor do I have the time with a family and a job.

@slyguy16us Ай бұрын

@@AW-po7jr Yeah same boat buddy. but I see this as being able to mostly abandon on a random planet. and set up some small support facilities to make it an easally relocatable base of operations in any system. since it mines refines and builds on its own a few npcs {once they are valuable} could keep these functions working all the time and have it rebuilding backup ships

@AW-po7jr Ай бұрын

@@slyguy16ussounds interesting! Hopefully CIG gets it right.