RSI Arrastra Deep Dive and Comparison | STAR CITIZEN BUYER'S GUIDE & SHIP REVIEW

A review and deep dive on the RSI Arrastra , and it's incredible strength as shown at IAE 2953!
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0:00 - Intro
1:09 - Tour / Facilities
3:14 - Comparison / Component Deep dive
4:15 - Mining Heads
4:54 - Radar, Quantum Drive
6:19 - Power Plants, Coolers
7:02 - Shields
7:41 - Weapons
8:52 - Cargo
9:40 - Vehicle Carrying!!!
10:20 - Secret Strength
11:00 - Refinery
11:49 - Should You Buy / Conclusion
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RSI Arrastra, Argo Mole, IAE 2953
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[@Space-Tech]

Would this replace the ARGO Mole in your fleet? Join my the new discord if you want to chat! discord.gg/g6D2NsjZx2

[@durtyred86]

This replaces my Orion. Not because it's BETTER, but because it's better for ME.

[@WookieeRage]

I upgraded my Mole a long time ago and don't see a reason to ever get one again. I was happy when I had one, but its shortcomings are too many and I lost interest in it. The Arrastra seems to be an example of CIG taking steps to correct the Mole's deficiencies while not making it over complicated. By keeping the number of mining lasers to three, the crew size feels very manageable. I'm looking forward to seeing what this looks like in game.

[@WookieeRage]

@@durtyred86 I was thinking something very similar, except my Orion is an upgrade in a package I won't melt. I learned a little late that upgrading ships in a package removes flexibility, but I can't change that and just have to make wiser choices going forward. I agree with you that the Arrastra is a better fit and will likely be a better fit for most players.

[@weskandel]

I upgraded my mole to this. So stoked!

[@draconusspiritus1037]

The Mole still has its uses. But the mining loop would need some MAJOR changes for the Mole to be profitable in multiplayer. As it stands, I do like my Mole. But the rocks of a size to actually NEED 2 or more players in it operating turrets are few and far between. Rocks big enough to need multiple players operating turrets that are worth breaking are rare still. Having multiple people running mining turrets at once is not going to fill that 96 scu up much if any faster. So the only real reason to run a Mole multicrew is to help a friend learn the ropes of mining. The Arastra has the cargo capacity to make multicrew viable when combined with the onboard refinery. I could still see myself operating the Arastra solo.

[@baltod4978]

Already upgraded my mole to the Arrastra. Don't even need to think about it. No more going down the stupid ladder, just to find out I need to move the ship a little more to the left. No more rushing to the refinery. This completely obsoletes the mole in my book. It can do everything the mole can and much much more.

[@paratrooperz1]

the mole was poorly designed for 3 players it was a 4 player ship but it has much more nimble movement. if you look at the ships mass vs its fuel hold it will have the same short duration of holding flight over targets as the mole you will need to refuel often a larger tank. the arrastras role is for far from home mining. if your looking for an atmo king stay with mole if your looking for a space king set eyes on orion. the arrastra is to bridge the gap of both ships but little more suited for far away mining also know its refinery yet convenient takes up less space than the expanses refinery so you will have to assume its pros and cons may vary among quantity of jobs or efficiency or volume or variety of materiel. orion and endeavor being the only game ships that can come close to a station or base

[@Jay-xv1jd]

​@paratrooperz1 they alrdy said its 2x more then the expanse. Why have 2 ships doing a 1 ship job.

[@paratrooperz1]

@@Jay-xv1jd double the expanse in what way of your talking from ISC QA? i believe the arrastra is more than double the size of expanse but most of the arrastra is multi role purpose as for the ships refinery i believe i remember them saying it s refinery is approximately the same as the expanse but the arrastra will half as many jobs at twice the volume and efficiency to be determined

[@Jay-xv1jd]

@@paratrooperz1 The Arrastra has two ‘reactors’ that allow it to run two separate orders concurrently. These reactors are much larger than the six found on the Expanse, allowing each order to contain a much higher quantity of goods. While the numbers for player-controlled refining are still being worked out and we don’t want to give specifics, expect each reactor to be able to refine around the same amount an Expanse can in one go. Compared to the Galaxy’s refining module, these reactors are about the same capacity. Naturally, compared to the Orion’s, they are significantly smaller.

[@paratrooperz1]

@@Jay-xv1jd well im not sure if this ship has even 1 attribute solidly commited other than its size and shape. as far as the video they did say it will have a refinery comparable to the expanse so not sure where you getting your intel. the details were vague but said even though it will be comparable it will different values. as far as ship refinery they are supposed to offer quite a bit less efficiency than a station and the only 2 ships that can refine nearly as good as a station is endeavor and orion every other ship will have lower effeciency and have trade offs on speed and quantity and volume and losses

[@tripperdan]

RSI has been checking all the boxes. I didn't intend to startout building a fleet of RSI ships, but that's happening. The Galaxy will now be base building, the Zeus CL a ROC transport and daily driver. The Arrastra will be the fly away for a few weeks and live in the Halo ship. Despite it being a multiplayer ship, I'll certainly be testing it as a solo project. Nice that everything is in the same wheelhouse instead of having to run up and down ladders in the MOLE.

[@Space-Tech]

The RSI ships have been looking so good as of late

[@weskandel]

RSI was so mid for the longest time! Now the same thing is happening to me. Went from none to five this year.

[@franzheger2871]

The dedicated manufactures are getting more and more less meanful, meanwhile i have more and more RSI ships.

[@teddyjackson1902]

They’re generic and bland imo. Much prefer the utility of Argo. The “jack of all trades RSI” is kind of lame tbh.

[@teddyjackson1902]

@@franzheger2871exactly. It’s a stupid decision by Cloud Imperium imo. It does bear the “Roberts” name!

[@Uberzit]

Really like how detailed you are on all your videos. Above and beyond the others out there

[@Space-Tech]

Appreciate it! I'm glad the details don't go unnoticed and you found it valuable :)

[@Verinia]

Great video. I think the lowly Cutter Scout is going to become an essential part of any mining org. S2 radar and VTOL means it will be the perfect addition to any mining fleet, assuming it can fit inside something like this.

[@mortalkombatfight-clubsofi9637]

The main body of the cutter will probably fit. But not the Engines on its side. I think the cargo bay in this ship (for veichles) will be simillar in size to the C1 Spirit. And the cutter or the C8R do Not fit in there. So i can confidently "Predict" that the cutter scout wont fit. Not unless the ship & its cargo bay grow along with it.

[@Space-Tech]

Thank you! Yeah unfortunately I don't think the Scout will fit, but I'd love to be happyily surprised that it does! Who knows, we may end up with a scanning fury some day haha

[@mortalkombatfight-clubsofi9637]

@@Space-Tech i second that notion. It does look like a roomey cargo bay. Lets hope we see the ship Q3/Q4 next year, or early 2025.

[@FrostSe7en]

Subscribing to your channel. This is probably the first ship buying guide video I've watched that is actually mostly informative instead of wasting time interacting with some kind of content creator community, and the fact that you're using a quality mic with background noise either filtered out digitally or physically versus the echoing-in-their-rooms sound of other reviewers is really great as far as listening experience. Keep it up.

[@Space-Tech]

That's very kind of you to say. I try to keep my content as valuable as possible while taking up as little of your time as I can :) I'm glad you found it useful! Appreciate the support

[@DigThat32]

the shade at the Roc DS 😆

[@Space-Tech]

If any vehicle has needed a rework... 😂

[@DigThat32]

Curious how many people that bought it, use it @@Space-Tech

[@Space-Tech]

Now that you mention it I don't think I've ever seen one out in the wild, even when mining myself people always bring ROCs

[@vik12D]

I have one. Upgraded the MOLE.

[@Studio3ify]

I am no Miner, and I saw the leaks intending to pass this ship. But after today, and looking at the store page, learning about the prospects and gameplay loops for Mining and how it works, I went ahead a got a CCU from my 600i. Iv'e always been just explorer guy, but I wanna see what this ship is going to turn out in the end, I can't believe Iv'e never tried mining until today! RSI has been rocking these concept ships!

[@Space-Tech]

Definitely rent a prospector and try it out! It's an extremely satisfying game loop

[@JizzyNinja]

Great overview - it definitely feels really strong vs mole. Also appreciate you noting when some components may be rebalanced!

[@Space-Tech]

Thank you! These old ships really need that rebalancing love. Can't wait to see where they end up!

[@jsullivan649]

I am really starting to love the RSI design language the more the game goes on… but not the ballooning price tags

[@Space-Tech]

Yeah the price hurts, but the Galaxy, then Zeus now this? These designers are killing it

[@jsullivan649]

@@Space-Tech oh that they are… as much as I hate to admit it haha

[@PragmaticTornado]

After seeing the ridiculous price for this ship, I started building a CCU chain towards the Galaxy instead.

[@mortalkombatfight-clubsofi9637]

I already own a Galaxy. I am thinking of making a small mining circle with friends where we take out a C2 Hercules, Arrastra & Refinery module Galaxy. We will be visiting a remote location, either in the Aaron Halo belt or hopefully inside a nebula, with precious asteroids to mine. Log on from time to time, mine and then send 1 guy to sell the stuff to a close by Planet/Station. Hopefully it will be a profitable janky 7 ppl set up :D

[@Space-Tech]

Question is if the Galaxy will be able to accept ore from an Arrastra, from what I can see it only accepts saddle bags, and the Arrastra seems to produce SCU boxes? Of course in sure all of this is in flux so who knows! Q and A should bring us some answers :)

[@jaymayhem8346]

Yeah gonna be exciting when this ship is flyable. Snatched one up for my mining team.

[@Space-Tech]

Nice! Going to be some awesome deep space mining with this thing

[@7gpanda744]

really love to see it... another 5 years feels like forever

[@Ssecave]

If we can have NPC's a a crew and having 2 players as the main ones (pilot and 1 assist), the Arrastra is just better overall. Mole needs to be SUPER cheap in game.

[@th3m4g]

Upgraded my Hull C to this.

[@astraeustitan2541]

My plan for larger mine ops is to go with a Galaxy with a refining mod along with a Liberator to carry 2 prospectors with one SRV and a couple furies in the vehicle bay for scouting. The processed ore would be collected in the Liberators cargo bay. I think this set up would allow the same amount of people to basically run the op but not put all the eggs in one basket.

[@Space-Tech]

Good plan! Maybe you could exchange one prospector for an expanse so you could refine your own ore

[@astraeustitan2541]

@@Space-Tech If I did not want to bring a Galaxy with refining mod I could replace the SRV with Expanse.

[@thefaithfulcraftsman7471]

I'm very excited for this ship to get into the game, it's a mini Orion and will give us a good idea of how game play for the Orion will work. I'm hoping to see this ship in the verse sooner rather than later especially with all the updates coming as well as the similar assets that are clearly intended to be used from the Polaris, Galaxy and Perseus from the model of this ship. Thanks for the video!

[@Space-Tech]

100% which is why I'm kinda glad RSI is the manufacturer that won for this ship, should hopefully mean we see it sooner! I wonder if this will be the first ship to have a working on board refinery or if the Galaxy module will work out the gate

[@ReubenPerrysDenOfChaos]

I know I'm a few months late to this party, but... I have a ccu chain up to the Arrastra. At the time, they also had a warbond Orion FOR THE SAME PRICE... but not in ccu form. I like the versatility the Arrastra has over the Orion (with what we know), and I"m sure the Orion price tag is going to go up a lot.

[@Space-Tech]

Orion will definitely get very expensive. Tbh if you CCU Chain you could get either one for pretty similar prices anyway! Under MSRP ofc

[@ReubenPerrysDenOfChaos]

@@Space-Tech I did consider the Orion... but I like the idea of being able to go planetside... you could really -almost- call the Arrastra an exploration ship, just leaning towards the self sustainability side a little more.

[@anepicotter4595]

I think for the current game, the mole is going to be worse than the arrastra but I also think that once they do away with wipes for good and orgs start to take SC seriously, the arrastra will be the kind of ship an org will work to buy and then arrange for 2 crews of 5 to fulfill mining quotas on for a month before the crews rotate out. And the reason I think they’ll treat it like that is cause an arrastra will probably be an extremely expensive org asset. Of course, the more ships they sell for real money, the less likely that is cause orgs could start out with half a dozen arrastras flying around

[@Space-Tech]

I'd imagine these industry ships are going to pay for themselves a lot faster than the mega combat fleets I've been seeing lately. So I can see running these hard until they are paid off, then can be more casual money makers :)

[@AsthmaQueen]

very good point about carrying furies to scout.

[@Space-Tech]

Appreciate it, I think having scout ships will be much more profitable than ROC mining :)

[@rooster1012]

Just want to point out that this ship has the new component standard and the MOLE will be getting it's upgraded components at a later date as per CIG's statement after the release of the Zeus.

[@Space-Tech]

Yup, I mention that a few times in the video :)

[@TheAngriestGamer.]

In fairness i think the moles design is bad. the front turret should be controllable by the pilot from the pilots chair, that would help set it apart from the ships above and below it, while making the mole more attractive and useful. Also the mole needs Flashlights on the mining booms BADLY so the operators can see what they are doing in the dark.

[@Space-Tech]

It feels like they've been leaning more into remote turrets these days than they were before. The pilot having turret control on the mole would be awesome

[@tedclayton6504]

I bought two warbond Arrastra ships. After reading "the onboard refinery is ideal for a more profitable workflow, the automated mineral storage pipeline effortlessly prepares your gathered resources for transfer" I was happy to put the cash down :D

[@WookieeRage]

This ship is slowly growing on me, so I picked up CCUs from the Hull C to the Hull D and then the Arrastra. I may not use them, but there is plenty of time to decide.

[@paratrooperz1]

why would you give up the hull C????? the C will be plenty of ship to earn sick wealth and the largest ship that fits a medium jump point as large jump points will be more rare maybe forcing you much more indirect path i to almost went to D with a tiny price jump but in the end it wasnt worth it to fly a bigger more vulnerable ship

[@WookieeRage]

@@paratrooperz1 it comes down to what would I use more. The Hull C may be comparable to the Arrastra for how much I would use it. So I see them as an equal choice between cargo running and mining. Though tempting, the Hull D is unlikely something I would use because of its demanding support in crew and escort. Crew size and the ability for NPCs to fill the gaps when solo play is necessary make me wonder how practical the largest ships in the game will be. So I'm hedging my bets by considering the options.

[@paratrooperz1]

@@WookieeRage my first thought is i must have the arrastra but then i realized it will eat fuel like crazy it atmo and it will lug around like a starfarer and the area where the refinery is is smaller than the expanse so just by size alone says the refinery is not make this a refine ship but rather if you dare travel far from home this ship would be a king explore mine ship but i see the mole remains king of planet and the orion remains king if it has support. the arrastra is that dare to be bold and mine far away with a couple friends

[@redent84]

I have a Orion and I've been mainly mining in the Mole loaner the last months. As soon as this ship was announced I was preparing my wallet. It's so much better than the Mole and much more versatile than the Orion. It's perfect for small group of friends.

[@moquay1769]

but what happens to the ore after i mine it. does it gos instant into the raffinery? or do we also get this ore bags? i dont get this system. the refinery on stations needs days. how can that system work? can somebody explain that?

[@kobodera8261]

They will make some kind of artificial barrier to keep you from carrying ballistas. From what I see it will be height that will be the limiting factor. They always seem to love those artificial, no sense barriers to keep whatever they don't want in from getting in.

[@franzheger2871]

The Question if u can load the materials from a mole or prospector to the arrastra? Would make ships like mole and expanse obsolete. You can Refine, Transport, Transport Roc's, mine bigger rocks and the mining lasers seem at a better postionen as on the mole (at least the left and right mininglaser). Expanse 150$, Mole 350$ = 500$, 25$ More but 1 ship, instead of 2.

[@Space-Tech]

I don't think this ship will be able to refine material it doesn't mine itself, but we'll find out for sure during the Q and A!

[@Crazyware212]

It’s crazy that it will have onboard refining. Seems like it just makes the Mole completely obsolete.

[@JL-rj9fl]

Great video as always, I'd love to share my thoughts about the Caterpillar and tractor beam operations: it can also carry MOLE bags. The MOLE (not now, but later) has 96 SCU per set of bags. It has 3 sets, for 288 SCU. Now here's where it gets interesting: would you rather tractor 512 boxes, or 24 bags? Caterpillar isn't so efficient in that use case. It gets even more interesting from here: imagine how quickly a caterpillar can load on fresh sets of bags. Does the refinery matter when you can get more minerals mined and shipped out to a station faster to sell later, or a future more dedicated refinery ship? I can't wait for the Q&A to learn more, especially about the size of the onboard refinery. You make good points on range and self-reliance of the platform, no doubt, but I'm not sold on the Arrastra just yet. Edit: I shouldn't assume they are 1 SCU boxes, they're probably a bit larger, but point still stands. There's a lot of them on that ship!

[@Space-Tech]

Those are some awesome points I hadn't thought about. Also, the Caterpillar could also bring fresh bags to the MOLE and exchange them for the full ones. I suppose at that point it becomes about efficiency, since the caterpillar will need to stay with the MOLE to pick up the offloaded bags, instead of those players being otherwise occupied. It also looks like the boxes are 2 SCU, and don't look to be compatible with refinery ships for now. That Q and A can't come fast enough! Always appreciate your insight :)

[@JL-rj9fl]

I looked again. One thing we might be able to tell before we get the Q&A, is it may hold 8 SCU boxes. In the vehicle bay, there appears to be 4 containers per side (accounts for 64 SCU internally). Let's say SCU containers can slide in and out of external storage... probably makes sense for them to be the same size. That's 64 boxes. Still a lot, but not quite as grim...

[@Space-Tech]

Good catch!

[@JL-rj9fl]

@@Space-Tech Yeah, it's really interesting to analyze. I just posted again about internal storage a minute ago, wondering if they could even be 8 SCU boxes (on the optimistic end) to match what's in the cargo hold. I'm not sure, but I don't think I've ever been as anxious about a Q&A as I am for this ship. I just need to know... is it too good to be true? Also, great idea with taking scouts. Never occurred to me to do that, seems like no downside and lots of room in the bay if you don't plan on ground ops. Creative, I like it! :)

[@TheVkaschuba]

FYI, the Arrastra has 32 size 1 missiles and 8 size 3, for a total amount of 40. We may also see the first VLS launcher in Star Citizen.

[@Space-Tech]

The matrix always lies unfortunately, if you go to the tech specs brochure for the transmission about the ship, it confirms 12 total missiles. 32-40 would have been crazy though! I really thought the storm AA could have been our first vls :)

[@Space-Tech]

Ok just confirmed again, 8 size 1, and 4 size 3 missiles. Wish they could fix their matrix more often :(

[@duane029]

I would love to get it but I have a hard enough time finding a crew for the MOLE. Most of the time Im flying solo with two accounts to run two lasers. Not sure I could pull it off with the Arrastra.

[@Space-Tech]

Oof yeah, this is definitely a less solo friendly ship than the mole

[@TairnKA]

Hm, it's assumed, if the Arrastra's location is unknown and outside the range of most hostile ships (fighters), there should be no contact by Pirates (unless the game cheats)? The Arrastra's refinery should be able to clean up dangerous material (explosive, Q-sensitive) and up to average grade material, but a station refinery could produce exceptional grade material?

[@coina-dig-tion6322]

The MOLE and Prospector will always have a place in SC. Like the smaller rocks only the handheld mining tool can break I am hopefull the Prospector and MOLE will be given rock sizes that only they can break without destroying them. Or, there could be places created that only a Prospector and MOLE could access; either of these strategies would keep these smaller mining ships relevant. At least I hope thats their plan. If not, I'll still be rocking the Prospector and MOLE, especially the Prospector as I want to be able to do solo mining and I LOVE the view the Prospector's cockpit delivers. - Orphanbird

[@Space-Tech]

Love the prospector for sure, and I feel like that will always have a place as it's the only solo Miner. Excited to see how the Mole ends up fitting in as well :)

[@Mullins23]

I hope they update all mining ship to use a form of "folding" SCU containers instead of the horrible saddle bags.

[@sherlykaru]

Overall it surprised me with the step starting price, considering the Orion went for sale at first at like... 250? i think? this makes me think they are closer to completing this ship than we think and thus the already higher price. All in all i love the ship, and hope they release it soon

[@Space-Tech]

The fact that it's RSI means it'll likely be up to be worked on right after the Perseus, so within the next 2-3 years if I had to guess. It's super cool for sure!

[@sherlykaru]

@@Space-Tech True, perhaps even less time considering the ammount of people being trained on ships, i mean look at the Syulen, went from a scratch from the Railen and straight into the game in very little time, so maybe, just maybe a year at most, they have most things already in game except for the refinery. Either way can't wait for sure and there's also hoping for the medium sized salvage ship too!

[@sharkyridez2554]

I solo the mole, so I’m definitely interested in this bad boy ship. But the on board refinery has me question it abit. It would obviously boost the usability of the ship, but seams to me it’s going to be a instant start to refine when you suck up the first materials. Don’t wanna refine t3 garbage taking space for quant rocks

[@alandab]

If it had a medbay (any ship meant to stay out for extended times should) I'd buy one in a heart beat! I wonder if a Pisces C8R will fit in the garage.

[@jmabee]

It can fit a roc DS so the pisces should fit fine. I had the same thought.

[@hawkzulu5671]

Thats my main - burning question - im hoping the Pisces will fit.

[@1scrub2]

Need the mole to efficiently buy the arrastra ingame.

[@Space-Tech]

That's what's up!

[@TheEVEInspiration]

She is a keeper for sure, the question is more, do I keep the Mole or not.

[@Space-Tech]

Imo the overlap between this and the mole is so much that it's tough to justify having the Mole with the Arrastra. Of course you'll have the Mole as a loaner in the mean time, if you can't live without it!

[@klaumbazswampdorf1764]

Onboard refinery. Bigger lasers, bigger hauls. You get Mole as loaner until then....

[@terencespragg5708]

Would this replace the mole as a loaner for the Orion. If you could solo it like the mole I would imagine it to be easier.

[@Space-Tech]

Almost definitely this will be an orion loaner once the Arrastra is released. As of right now though, doesn't look too solo friendly

[@terencespragg5708]

@@Space-Tech I do not think it would be any harder than the mole to solo it looks like after you have mined a rock it would fill a hopper then you refine then rinse and repeat till full and with them mining chairs so close it should be easier.

[@Space-Tech]

That's fair, I was thinking along the lines of larger ships being harder to run engineering for, but as long as you're not being attacked it shouldn't be too bad

[@arcadealchemist]

it's almost TWICE THE PRICE OF A MOLE i don't think the mole is going anywhere even after this comes out you can split costs a mole + expanse team might work if you got org mates who own those ships but one dude one ship 5 crew you got a lot of centralized firepower and cargo space. yeh it's really good if you can spill the $505>$575 (WB>CRED) and it might even be flyable by next IAE along with the other 3 RSI Delta ships (Galaxy/Perseus/Polaris) Damn I love RSI ships at the moment, Aegis is great n all and I LOVE My Reclaimer (never melting) but if i had to chose from any of the corvette class ships in the RSI range yeh Arrastra is the only one that makes Bank

[@SauloMogi]

I want a bespoke mining vehicle (of the exactly size of it`s bay) maybe a ballista size, i dont know, but i want it. And also should have a medical bay.

[@Space-Tech]

I think it's inevitable that we see more ground mining vehicles, only question if they'll get it to play nice with the Arrastra, or if it'll be another Hercules exclusive

[@SauloMogi]

@@Space-Tech Good question. I bought mine, now i just hope we have a med bay (assuming this is a carrack`s size ship) we should have it. And also a bespoke mining vehicle and/or tow vehicle.

[@robertschumacher2707]

The Arrastra is going to be the undisputed heavyweight champ of planetary mining. Why? Because you no longer have to pick and choose which type of ground minable you go after. Found Quantanium? Snap it up, Lucked into a huge field of gems? Deploy the ROCs from the internal bay. No other single ship will be able to offer that flexibility.

[@danny_strange2105]

It is the new must have mining ship making the others obsolete. If you want to mine on a planet then its a must get. Wait, it might come in 2-3 years !!

[@prism3896]

I am confused not rly a miner but i feel like this makes the mole obsolete or any other ship that could have been similer to the mole, like why bother getting a mole when u can get this u can refine in it even without drawbacks from what i understand , feel like adding the refinery just kills an entire sector of ships

[@hawkzulu5671]

Mole will be faster and much easier to fly under the radar. The in game price for the Mole is 5 million - i assume the Arrastra will be at least 25 million, so its easier to get into. Mole would probably excel in shorter trips because it fills up pretty fast - and is easy to handle in atmo - dropping in to mine on planets and moons - Or deep space.. easy to solo. Arrastra will probably excel in long range - longer duration expeditions where u go out and stay in deep space for a while harvesting and refining and filling up the ship - returning after hours or days out in the verse. I like the fact that it Can handle atmo too ..but id be Much more comfy in the lower profile mole, if i was down on Daymar mining vs the Arrastra. I bought the Arrastra so thats the role im going to test - ill buy a mole in game and if im working down on surfaces and working some quick runs ill use the mole. When its Expedition time - im stocking the Arrastra for a deep space voyage and wont be back to civilization for a few days. Hopefully the rear cargo area can fit a Pisces.. i can use that as an on board scout ship to go out and scan for good ore deposits ahead of the big ship - and also, if anybody on board needs to make a fast run back to civilization, for any reason -it will be there.

[@revengexmoon2087]

It will blow up really well. 5 hour claim time? Better bring a book.

[@Space-Tech]

For sure, less likely to blow up, but a much bigger cost if it does!

[@doodlePimp]

I get why people may want to buy an expensive ship if they are not that interested in grinding credits. For mining ships however it seems like the smart choice to just earn them ingame.

[@rory-red]

Sadly it won't be out till end 2024 or early 2025 its not replacing the Mole anytime soon

[@th3m4g]

Lol my current fleet: Orion, Arrastra, ironclad, galaxy, zeus CL and MR. Think i need help.

[@Space-Tech]

Hey if you've got the crew!

[@swiftbow2110]

Price is a dealbreaker for me. CIG hype train cash grab on this one. Got an Orion already. I will get this as a loaner when it’s released so no big deal. I think we will see this ship a couple years before the Orion so I should get some good game play with it for quite some time. Never bought a mole either but I have enjoyed that ship for years as my Orion loaner.

[@Space-Tech]

You'll be able to earn one of these with an orion in no time I'm sure :)

[@madcatandrew]

The insanely bloated Arrastra pricing is just a hard pass. Picked up a Reclaimer instead and looking forward to huge value gains with hull munching.

[@Space-Tech]

The reclaimer still feels like such a well priced ship, capital class components at a price like that is awesome

[@PragmaticTornado]

Great choice. Yeah the Reclaimer is just awesomely priced, relatively speaking.

[@iam18bitch2]

I have to say that i am massively pissed off at CIG right now... When i upgraded to it during IAE it was labelled as being in "active development". This has been changed to "In Concept" about a week ago...

[@iam18bitch2]

Just for some added context: I upgraded to this from the Hull C and secured a CCU from this to the Orion, just in case the Arrastra becomes the loaner for the Orion.

[@paratrooperz1]

the mole will be far more efficient in atmo. the mole is atmo multi crew king the orion is the space king and the arrastra will be explorer king as it cargo and roles will allow you to mine far from home. from my understanding is that size 3 mine turrets will be capable of solo mine any and all game asteroids so you can focus on 3 massive rocks but the problem is orion and endeavor will have the games best ship efficiency in refinery so the question on the arrastra is will its refinery focus on quantity of jobs or quality of jobs or volume or open to refine the many types such as hazard or liquid or fuel or mineral or alloy. so if your buying this ship for its refinery im betting it will sacrifice quality and volume for being able to refine the maximum array of possible. the expanse to me seems to be the most convenient refiner but when people see its poor efficiency it will get little to no use unless in high threat long range ops and i just wonder in arrastra with massive majority of ship being grid or living space how small is its refinery and what will the priority be? versatility, volume, quantity or quality my opinion for a long rang ship it will prioritize versatility next being volume meaning quantity of jobs and quality will suffer the most

[@Tentacl]

The MOLE sucks, I feel really bad for having one. Will upgrade to something soon.

[@DismayingHades6]

2:15 not to take everything the page says as gospel but it does say (4 ports/8 per port/size 4's) & (2 ports/4 per port/size 5's) making a total missiles/torp count of 32 size 4 missiles, and 8 size 5 torps, its absolutely crazy for a mining ship. takin with a grain of salt tho as this is on the RSI website and not in-game

[@Space-Tech]

The matrix always lies unfortunately, if you go to the tech specs brochure for the transmission about the ship, it confirms 12 total missiles. 32 would have been crazy though!

[@DismayingHades6]

@@Space-Tech i was starting to wonder, pretty funny how they literally just came out with the ship and already have 2 different specs available lmao

[@Space-Tech]

If I remember correctly the Zeus components were also wrong on the very first day 😅

[@chillylytical9410]

With engineering coming around I could see that balancing the mole and Arrastra. With the mole it would probably be the 3 laser operator and one person to keep maintenance while the Arrastra could require a team of maybe 2-3 people to keep things running. Edit:Not including the mining laser operators in the Arrastra.

[@Space-Tech]

I can definitely see that, interestingly CIG has stated it has a max crew of 5, just one more than the Mole

[@valhallasashes4354]

Double that missile count. It has x32 S1 missiles split up in x4 S4 mounts, each with x8 S1 missiles. And x8 S3 missiles split up in x2 S5 mounts, each with x4 S3 missiles. Total = x32 S1 missiles x8 S3 missiles

[@Space-Tech]

This is from the matrix right? Unfortunately that's wrong according to its tech specs as part of its sale. Hope that get that fixed soon

[@valhallasashes4354]

@@Space-Tech Nope, it's literally in the brochure: 4x S4 (pilot controlled) 8x Size 1 Missiles 2x S5 (pilot controlled) 4x Size 3 Missiles

[@Space-Tech]

Ah you're right. Damn that's some pretty terrible formatting haha, thanks for the catch! Edit: On the transmission page, it does explicitly call out 12 missiles as you click through that interactive image of the top and bottom of the ship. So now I'm actually not sure @valhallasashes4354

[@valhallasashes4354]

@@Space-Tech yes it really is awful formatting lol.

[@valhallasashes4354]

@@Space-Tech In reference to your edit: Took me a minute to find what you're referring to. Conflicting information as usual with CIG. To be honest, I'd be more inclined to believe the brochure in this case because if you go by the stated number of mounts and sizes, the number of missiles stated, do add up with established metrics in game. Plus, while the matrix of lies is what it is, it does actually cooberate what's listed in the brochure. So the transmission page states one number with no other matching info anywhere else, but the brochures numbers are matched in the matrix of lies. So it has two supporting sources. In either case, this may be a question worth asking in the Q&A thread on Spectrum.

[@Miner-dyne]

Maybe when I retire I will want to play all multicrew stuff... sadly CIG has no interest in money of the solo player. To quote Vespasian - "Boy, does this gold smell like piss to you?"

[@Evocati25]

Yeah, this replaces my mole. I don't really like how this makes me feel though. They literally just released a mining ship with essentially the same crew requirement as the mole but superior in every given way. It's a great ship but it feels like cash grab induced power creep. I cant think of a single situation where the mole is preferable to the Arrastra unlike the Prospector or Orion.

[@hawkzulu5671]

1 is the price.. the intro price is nearly double the Mole and will go up from there, as it gets closer to release. With In game currency, the Mole is 5 million - i assume the Arrastra will be at least 25 million. If you have limited play time - or are just in the mood for short duration - humming bird style mining..the Mole is more suited for staying low profile.. id feel a bit safer down on Daymar or Aberdeen in my mole vs the Arrastra. Fully crewed the Arrastra is MUCH tougher and more lethal than a mole, if attacked.. but the Mole might have less chance of getting attacked in the first place - due to being harder to detect on radar from a distance. I plan on using Both - for different roles. Quick humming bird runs for the mole - deep space, long duration missions in the Arrastra.

[@AtlasGaming4k]

Wont be put for 3+ years in which time price will climb to $800. So most people will still buy mole

[@Space-Tech]

Yeah this thing costs a fair penny, no doubt. That's why I'm not too fussed about this stepping on the toes of the mole, it costs so much more!

[@nickeapelqvist9307]

Well ships overlap and step on each others toes all the time lots of unknowns not in game yet like materials ease and price of repairs fuel consumption ingame prices and most of all where to buy it ingame and how much. Also where to use diffrent ships prospectors moles might be used in systems where refinerys is more common the prospector is missing a kitchen and toilet also The arraster is named deep space miner so i got a feeling there is alot of unknowns

[@nickeapelqvist9307]

Just like the odyssey and 600i,corsair,carrack is all exploration ships

[@gumrickzimmermann9605]

sweet this will probable come out in 2045 but you can buy them now lol

[@COMMANDERHAWK22]

Buy a ccu from the valk to the galaxy for $5 and sit on it dont melt it. The galaxy will be out before this and will get a huge price hike before its flyable .

[@billkranz8035]

Bring Quantanium back or no buy.

[@spcrowe]

RIP Expanse

[@Space-Tech]

F

[@Space-Tech]

But in all seriousness it looks like the expanse exists specifically to help refine for teams of ships like the prospector and mole

[@kevinshirkey4514]

@@Space-Tech The expanse is put in a weird place now that some people are going to ditch their moles for an Arrastra AND is still has the galaxy with the refinery module to compete against. Top it off with a lot of miners not really finding the prospector to be in a really viable place and the poor expanse starts looking a little obsolete before it hits flyable .

[@prism3896]

​@@Space-Techwhy would anyone get a mole at this point i get the prospector but why mole

[@COMMANDERHAWK22]

The odyssey can refine what it mine.

[@TheCacique5000]

Only fuel

[@COMMANDERHAWK22]

@TheCacique5000 still not wrong

[@AngelRivera-wp9bg]

Wait and see...history many things are nerfed few come out as the concept.

[@johnr3514]

This ship is a clear example of CIG getting to a point they are pricing things out of peoples touch.

[@paulbalcerzak1643]

They also have people buying out the javelin, kraken, and pioneer the moment they're available. People will spend a lot for the ships they want

[@durtyred86]

No. It will be bought... Also. If you don't want a penny game, understand that the community will need to support with the dollars. You can't have a ground breaking, tech rich game on a triple A tight budget.. Buy and back if you can. If you can't, buy it in game when it's available.

[@Fe7Ace]

They target every price range deliberately over time, it'd actually be out of character for them if they didn't target the +$500 range once a year. We always get one big expensive one. I sure ain't buying them, but consider it future gameplay for you to try and earn the cool ones. Ppl buying into the endgame with cash may be doing themselves out of the main motivation of even playing the game long term.

[@durtyred86]

@Fe7Ace wrong on that very last sentence. Way wrong..... if buying the ship is supposed to be "endgame greatness"...... We're dealing with a dogshit game... Buying the ship is literally a small fraction of the gameplay. It's what you DO with the ship that'll make the memories... I assure you, you won't be sitting back reminiscing on when you strolled into New Deal to buy your Arrastra for long lol... You'll be thinking about your first big hit. That fight you made it out of with your ass and ore intact. The time you had to decide between making more money or saving a stranded NPC crew, and having one of them join your outfit only to realize he or she was a top notch worker. These are the memories man..... Not saving peanuts to buy the ship itself.

[@Fe7Ace]

@@durtyred86 I didn't mean the literal act of buying the ship is suppose to be fun, and individuals have many motivations for playing of course which is why I said "may", but I would point out that every example you gave has to do with the motivation and excitement of getting richer in the game. Why get rich in the game? Couple of decent answers, but you can scratch "saving for top end ships for the professions you love the most" off the list if you're sitting in them day one. Hope you like base building or collecting 890 Jump or fancy apartments or something. Everyone has their own burnout point on a game's content, starting with the small ships is the farthest point you can start from that. Zero to hero players have a whole category of memories to make that pay-to-advance players don't. Even with friends or orgs this idea of growing up from small is a strong motivator that can extend the fun over a longer time.

[@LOoNyTOoN1336]

o7

[@Space-Tech]

o7

[@gakaratjriss]

Right now I can see it replacing mole, if it was released. Once game is out and they balance operating costs and make large ships more expensive, and even more expensive for those 100+ I easily see this not replacing the mole. Mole is the starter multi crew miner, least for now, Arrastra needs more people and will cost SO much more than mole to operate. The laser sizes may be a downside if you wanted to mine same stuff as prospector or mole, likely be less total mineables, still enough though, for larger and larger rocks. Caveat being RSI said they will balance operating costs, but just like insurance we have zero idea what the end will look like. So balanced costs may end up being negligible in the end.

[@Space-Tech]

Some great points there, as you said a lot will come down to balance. I'm sure CIG will tweak things to make sure they are both feasible, but I'd imagine the Arrastra is going to out earn the Mole by a lot.

[@nickeapelqvist9307]

Just as a freelancer out earns a titan :)

[@IdleWorker]

Here is why you shouldnt buy it: It'll be stuck in the backlog for years. Just like all other concept ships. Stop buying dreams, reward CIG for successfully implemented results.

[@maxvonkrieger5043]

Mole has much much cheaper running costs.

[@machoalright]

Got it for 275😂

[@Space-Tech]

CCU chainers stay winning :D

[@machoalright]

@@Space-Tech Speaking of wich... 2024!!! more winning

[@Casey093]

It costs 700 dollars, this is "fixing" your problem by burning more money. You get 10-20 AAA games for that money if you want, instead of some pixels for a game that will come out in 5-10 years, if it gets ever done.

[@hawkzulu5671]

Or..another option is - buy a SC starter ship package for $45 dollars and buy any and everything else in game - with in game currency.

[@bobstark4201]

Idk why when a new concept ship is sold, everyone gets afraid that it will make the other ships within its job duties obsolete. With the Arrastra, they're treating it like it should somehow be on the same level as the MOLE. Or some are fearful that it will make the Expanse obsolete, or even the Galaxy's refinery. As CIG explained, it's simply the next step in your zero to hero mining evolution. Hand mining, ROC mining, Prospector mining, MOLE mining, Arrastra mining and the end game, the Orion. Does the MOLE make the prospector obsolete? Yes and no. Plenty of people still use it. The Arrastra will be more expensive in-game as it is with IRL money. It's an upgrade. It doesn't need to do a thing or two more poorly than the MOLE for some imaginary sense of balance. CIG tends to balance ships out fairly well with a few exceptions anyway.

[@meyatetana2973]

If it can't serve as an attack vehicle then it can not defend itself, that's the issue with these games they don't even look at what reality is, to defend yourself you must be able to strike a killing blow upon an enemy otherwise they will just harrass you until you die,

[@Space-Tech]

I look at it's defensive capability as the ability to deter a foe from getting too brave, while using the time to escape, not as a way to actually destroy the enemy. I totally see where you're coming from though, 12 size 3s should be enough to kill light fighters at least!

[@Blink-Ensu]

mining right now is largely useless and we have no idea how feasable it will be going forward ... another mining ship is kinda useless without that information

[@Space-Tech]

Really? I feel like mining has been in a good spot for some time now, what would you want to see from the game loop to make it more useful?

[@Blink-Ensu]

Quantanium was lucrative ... not as well off as other game loops like bunkers and bounty hunting but still worthwhile. Go find rocks on Lyria in a Mole or Prospector now. Very little Quantanium. Other materials are less than a 1/10th of the return. And that is solo v solo endeavours. Include a crew where you are divying up the cut and it gets worse equivalent to the crew size.@@Space-Tech and that doesnt even include gaming the system like towing salvage vehicle out of an area to reap the rewards or looting cargo from disabled bounty targets. Even when Quant was plentiful to mine it took me 8 hrs of mining and days of refining to fill a C2 with 6 million aUEC woth of quantanium. These missions above are netting 10's of millions per hour ... ignoring those that are currently broken on an hourly breakdown with just bounty hunting mining was comparable. It is not anymore ... The act of mining works, the reward for mining does not.

[@ChristosapherDre]

@@Blink-Ensu they will fix all that up in time i would believe... I mean, they haven't wiped since people were able to dupe that crazy janalite in the mule

[@Blink-Ensu]

@@ChristosapherDre I cant argue with beliefs ... I can only point out what currently exists. Mining is not worth the time. Admittedly nothing is worth the time b/c it will all get wiped again anyway. Maybe if there was something else to do with the materials other than selling for a pittance I might feel different about this specific activity in relation to the others. But all we do is gather up credits and items and then watch it all get wiped away ad infinitum. I would like to build something with my time that isnt measured in a bank account.

[@TheDude50447]

Really dumb ship imo. The first really dumb one in the game. Apart from the weird fighter like design its the exact same price as the orion was just yesterday. Meaning almost everyone who buys a mining ship in that price range already has the orion. Which is the much better ship.

[@Space-Tech]

I guess this is supposed to be the top level ship for those who are interested in planetary mining and space mining both? Also for those who never bought an orion, they now have this as the option at this price point.

[@TheDude50447]

@@Space-Tech Well I guess it really depends how profitable surface mining is in the end. It should be a job for vehicles though in the end.

[@durtyred86]

​@TheDude50447 that's not how logistics work. Hell, that's not how ANYTHING works lol.. The price is nowhere near done on the Orion. Expect a price of $750+ before it's even flight ready. At which point it'll jump up again.. Saying it costs as much as the Orion did yesterday is a telling sign that you're kind of new or out of touch with how these things have been working for years within CiG. Also, as for the Orion being better than the Arrastra, on paper, absolutely. And it should be seeing how it's a capital ship. Thats not the point though. Logistics is.. It'll take 5 men manning the Arrastra to function well and sell wherever. How many do you think it will take for the Orion? 7 to 10? 15?? Try around 40 to 50. Here's the logistical spread for you. Orion: 10 crew Fuelers: 4 to 8+ Cargo haulers: 8 to 16+ Cargo security: 7 to 14+ Roving site security: 10 to 15+ Repair crew: 4 to 8 That's 43 org mates on the LOW side boss... Much more on the realistic high side. It's easy to say; Orion big, Orion better... It's a different ball game when you sit down and run the REAL numbers. The Orion is a huge, needy yet earning machine... There will be those that gamble and try to run it with a skeleton crew to maximize their earnings. They will be the first casualties... Don't be those guys. Run it deep... Run it right... 🫡

[@TheDude50447]

@@durtyred86 yeeeaaaah. No. Still think the arrastra is way too expensive. And the same amount of people will always do more on the Orion. Arrastra is the first dumb ship. Im standing by that. Also the Orion is 650 now not 750. And the same thing with increasing prices goes for the arrastra as well. Btw i doubt they gonna go up to 1000 Dollars on the Orion cause that means automatic lti. Also stop making up crew requirement numbers. I bet my left nut that small groups of people will be operating the Orion. Wouldnt even be surprised if the odd one does it solo.

[@durtyred86]

@@TheDude50447 stand on that testicle, lol.. Gotta screen shot this so I can come back and discuss later haha. I know it won't go up to $1k but it'll get close. And I wasn't just making up numbers man. You'll see what I mean sooner or later.

[@arcakahn]

You’re not pronouncing it properly.

[@Space-Tech]

Hmm, I just double checked that I pronounced the exact same way as CIG during their ISC. How have you seen it said?