Why NBA Teams Should Study A School You've Never Heard Of

[@aureliopoles1830]

Basically this is how basketball is taught to kids in Europe

[@juanbautistaolie4125]

The same as we learn in Argentina. I didn't do a pick & roll till I was 16

[@forbesy7189]

And in Australia, just pass and cut

[@Kevinschart]

this is how i was taught basketball. with less 3pt shooting. we were taught to hide in the dunkers spot and to flash to the high post. americans on high school and middles school teams are taught the same thing.

[@sphong0610]

It a soccer/football offense essentially just without the loose ball element. spread wings > create space > charge center > dash off to create space.

[@sieben_z691]

Yep, Just cut 'n refill

[@SvenVanRoosenbroek]

this is just Read & React offense (Rick Torbett made a lot of videos about it). But useful for youth basketball. You teach them how to play without the ball and not how to run sets without thinking.

[@whothatswho7756]

Agreed it is read and react with a couple of twists. They are running zone attack principles against man using the two spots on baseline short corner as valid spots in circle rotation and the Dribble at layer also creates circle movement instead of single man basket cuts. Its just a variation on an existing offense. And since it is so flexible you can even add in NBA concepts as part of the ruleset, like pinch post where the guy playing short corner rotates to the elbow instead of the weak side wing so the wing can cut backdoor for blind pig action if his/her defender is in denial.

[@Chandasouk]

Rick Torbett's Better Basketball series was great for me when I was a kid! It's cool to see others mention him

[@habaconia]

Yup. Torbett’s DVD’s helped me out a lot when I was a new coach ten years ago. We even won a tournament with the R&R offense.

[@angelramos2199]

So true, looks exactly like Rick Torbett DVD

[@formerlyknownaseasrob]

I remember when I was a freshman this was something my high school’s coach, Byron Stark, tried to implement (though after those seniors left, the best players that were left behind them were too iso oriented for it to be practical). We would even still have 5/4 out spacing, but while there was some movement, there wasn’t as much passing and cutting (though, there was enough talent in those two years where it didn’t really matter until deep in the playoffs)

[@claudioiombo5337]

This is old school motion offense for teams with small lineups and no one dominant player.

[@MHiggs-rx5zz]

Exactly. Nothing new here.

[@biggiejackson]

Man this ain't nothing new bruh

[@badongzki13]

yup! motion offense!

[@iamactuallyted9180]

Mr. Scoot Scooter you’re in the nba right? 😂 d3 I’m sure is much better than you are and ever have been. Only scrubs say shit like that because they don’t understand

[@JohnVmystuff]

For egotistical NBA players they would eschew this type of offense

[@realtorpatoates9260]

This was Bob Knight's offense in the early to mid 80s. He was passionate about moving without the ball and rotating around the key to open lanes and backcourt shots.

[@CamaradaMort]

I started playing basketball at college (Brazil). And this is exactly how the coach makes us play, we call it the "system". it can be boiled up to just two rules. 1- Pass and cut (to move the defense). 2- fill the empty space (of the one who cut). When you have this ball and player movement the defense cannot keep up so you usually get a lay up or an open shot

[@unclericosfootballcamp2854]

They do that in every high school

[@StevenMoney]

Got to have the players and especially the Brazilian legend OSCAR!!!!!!!!

[@Muchimuchimeohmy]

This is pretty much the first offence anyone is taught in Australia. Learnt this stuff when I was 11.

[@jdoggoliscious]

"Read and React"

[@sinatraoce5339]

Yeah same but it was 3 out and 2 in tho.

[@marrontuppy4714]

You in the east? Deadass see no one play ball like this in WA

[@jeffjeff6746]

good for you

[@stlucchese]

mkay.....you swinging hard there. Now i'll give you a participation trophy lol

[@craigslistreply6544]

The future of NBA offense is stepback 3s and cherry picking on defense

[@jlove24]

Lmao facts

[@speakthetruth7679]

The future is here. Don't forget taking 4 + steps then shoot

[@lllllllllllllllII]

Craigslist Reply still better than any European team out there

[@devvv4616]

the future of bottom teams maybe. The Champs play beautiful basketball

[@Yoni123]

And looking for contact to get fouls because you can't play D anymore

[@CarbonComs]

This is how my high school team played. No crazy athletes or anything but the team goes to at least the Sectional championships every year. We even called it "Out", a reference to the 5 out spacing you were talking about.

[@nick-8936]

*zone defense has entered the chat*

[@protke4581]

^ this :D

[@Ten2More]

100% right. The jeopardy question to this is "Zone defense stops this type of offense".

[@chrispagente3214]

nick alicata however in the NBA zone defense os not that effective due to the 3 second defensive violation

[@nick-8936]

@@chrispagente3214 *3-2 zone has entered the chat and can protect the paint without constantly occupying it*

[@roc6596]

Won't 3 pointers just kill the zone defense? Just a question.

[@tonyturley7306]

Coach, this is exactly what Coach Keith Diebler did at Upper Sandusky, Ohio, in the early 2000s. His son Jon Diebler set the Ohio high-school-career scoring record with over 3,200 points, breaking Jerry Lucas's longstanding record. They would then also full-court press, the entire game, no matter the score. That team was beautiful to watch.

[@dsi6639]

Ofc it was Ohio 🤦‍♂️

[@deandelg6686]

Basketball reference said Jon diebler only had 1500 college points

[@tonyturley7306]

@@deandelg6686 He had over 3,200 in HIGH SCHOOL.

[@JSowder21]

SANDUSKY STAND UPPPP

[@frank-ko6de]

@@tonyturley7306 Which means he regressed in college. Must be a great life to peak at 17, while being a nobody in your later years, eh?...😶😶😶😶

[@reynirornkristinsson9281]

This is literally European basketball. This isn’t a new revolutionary offense it’s just basic European offense that everyone here has played.

[@EdgarsKuks]

As an european coach that has been all over Europe...I disagree. Yes cuts are popular. But 95% of teams i have seen have bad spacing and they run set plays when they are 12. PnR at 14 years. Spain, Serbia and Finland is more like this video but not nearly all.

[@panosg2475]

@@EdgarsKuks in greece this is the first type of offence we learn. it's better for the young ages cause there are no positions. only a good ball handler to pass the center and then...oh it's actually called give and go...

[@reynirornkristinsson9281]

Edgars Kuks in Iceland this is the most common form of offense. While there may still be set plays most of the game will revolve around certain principles like these one with just emphasis on cutting and driving. And this system we play from 10-17 years old.

[@panosg2475]

​ Reynir Örn Kristinsson so you use that type of offence and pro division? intresting. I think this is the best way for a kid to learn the game. Kids these days idolize the NBA and Euroleage stars and want to shot 3s and drive to the basket. yet depends the growth and the talent (see Luka Donsic who was a pro from the age of 15-16) but I believe that until 17-18 years old any player should learn the game as a whole and not try to copy the players he/she sees on tv...

[@stevenhs8821]

Is it European? Don't know. Easy enough to Google it, but I highly doubt it. I do know that even the Euro-step was not a European invention. There are old 1950s film footage of NBA players doing the "Euro-step."

[@tonicpop6686]

This is how I coached my youth boys team. We were a team of 15 and 16 year olds in an under 19 comp. Our team was the shortest and youngest. We really had no choice but to run positionless. Anyway - we won our comp.

[@psyborg06]

Sounds like the competition was horrendous.

[@EzzysOji]

@@psyborg06 I don't think encouragement is a gift you possess yet.

[@psyborg06]

@@EzzysOji Why are you thinking about me?

[@TheStonedEvo]

Y’all need to learn to read and listen. Everyone’s on about “this ain’t new, we did it in (insert decade)”. No where did he claim this was a brand new strategy. He used a specific team as an example to show how it worked for them after their previous season was a failure and that the NBA should adopt this strategy. Wether that’s a good idea or not is besides the point of the video.

[@Kune35]

Except in the literal last sentence of the video where he calls them a PIONEER, implying it's something new.

[@DrummerJacob]

The literal last sentence? I think youve abused the word literal a little too much. How often do you speak figuratively about the last sentence in a video to then have to clarify?

[@TheStonedEvo]

Billy Calder so the guy isn’t good at staying linguistically consistent. The one word, “pioneer”, does not negate the overall arch of the video. Maybe he’s not aware of the history of this strategy being widely used in high school basketball. Y’all are cherry picking one small thing he said and missing his overall point; this is something the NBA should start using...which was the point of my comment. And strictly speaking, the coach did pioneer the new technique...for that school. Context matters. Not to sound like a broken record but the context here is; this is something the NBA should adopt.

[@86bookshot]

Well he is saying nba teams should use it. That would imply that he thinks its new

[@Heat3YT2]

He calls it the future offense....

[@Iggy1378]

This offense is very much the Read & React offense method. Read & React Tribe shows the rules/breakdowns. I run this with 13-14 year old girls community team... as you cannot always play position/set play offense as your players may vary week to week. Teach principals (spacing, cut after pass, cut when dribbled at, corner cut on drives)... and then add inside layers for things like post-ups, screens and kick-outs. You can still use hand-offs and high pick & rolls, however the general concept is about avoiding having two defenders close to the ball handler.

[@BackpackingAdventures]

Just made the same comment

[@kylelarson5074]

My highschool team played like this nearly 10 years ago and we won 2 state titles. However you need atleast 3 bread and butter sets and a couple sideline plays to get easy buckets when the flow slows down. After you get a few easy points from screens and sets the defenders werent expecting it opens up the floor again and relaxes the offense.

[@jamesg9582]

This is what lots of the small ball lineups in the Nba looked like. Except with lots of offball picks or 1/5 pick n rolls. The transition part was very similar 2 how the warriors got so many buckets with the hampton/death lineups. Great analysis!!!

[@apumah23]

As others have said this is the read and react offense developed by Rick Torbert. I have had a lot of experience running it at various levels, it's an incredible offense. While some of principles could be applied to the NBA game I think it would be an impossible sell to NBA players and coaches whom are accustomed to an entirely different philosophy ie get the ball in the best player's hands in their best spots.

[@akaspon1]

Exactly. And the NBA game is so superstar-centric, running this kind of offense would be impossible to run to get certain guys touches and shots, and it would kill any idea of a "big" in the NBA and would almost eliminate offensive rebounding and a few other things used in the pro-game.

[@innoc3ntbystndr]

Brad Stevens is doing it for a long time now with the Boston Celtics only Kyrie’s big ego didn’t want to play with in the system.

[@geddydesmond451]

McHale ran it as a coach also.

[@plupster]

Not all teams are like that, Toronto had great teamwork, but Kawhi left, but before he did, they weren't solely relying on him, the clutch tho, yeah they relied on him, but everything else nawwww

[@abqphil5444]

A couple of years ago i was sitting in a restaurant and they had an NBA game on the tube. Might have been the Pacers and the Bucks. Invariably the offensive team brought the ball down the floor, made two passes and jacked up a twenty-five footer. After a few minutes of that garbage, I quit watching and studied the ice cubes in my tea glass.

[@tkielion]

This is how my dad ran my 5th-8th grade travel team and we had a winning season each yr lol he calls it concepts of motion. He made it really simple for us like in this video. Gave us rules for scenarios and just let us play. Great video!

[@CampingWithTom]

Hi I watched both parts of this video and implemented it with my HS varsity team the next day granted this is a fall preseason league but I have to say so far the results have been great thanks for providing the videos.

[@hoshimate3260]

We were a small ball team back in College 2010-2015. Our Coach started this principle since our Bigs could shoot outside. Great system.

[@grindhard4312]

We ran this at my all black high school back in '95-'97 and we called it "passing game". We sometimes down screened the "dunkers spot" which almost always lead to a back door cut or open 3ball on the weak side. Being a fairly small team (tallest player was 6'4") we had a lot of shooters and hustle defense. We won our state championship in '97....36-4💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@robertmanjares1725]

We called it read and react

[@charlesritter6640]

You won a state championship without any whiteys, what? 😄😄

[@donnaw5013]

This is definitely the hardest offensive scheme to defend. Even for teams with “dominant” players could benefit from this scheme, Cohesive spacing , ball movement, player rotation on a string optimizes the efficiency of any offense and places maximal stress on opposing defense This style isn’t only for small player , “no dominant player having ” teams Every player becomes a threat However i will say this, this offense wouldn’t be great for a “non shooting “ team , but nowadays every kid is faceted primarily on their jumper!

[@Jonathan2342]

I agree with no set plays, especially with younger kids as you want them to see the floor and not run around robotically but the pick and roll, when executed properly is impossible to defend without bringing a third defender in which opens up other options. I’d probably defend this team by dropping my 2 posts into the key and leaving their #4 open for a three provided he isn’t a 40+% trey shooter. Their offense is designed on the drive so make them beat you behind the arc. But the boards are going to be mine.

[@devina.j.2165]

You could also play a gap man. Have anyone 2 passes away playing what my coach called ‘cinci line’ or right down the middle of the lane, anyone who’s a skip pass away playing on the elbow and anyone one pass away playing gap to deny the drive. In that defense there is no reason this offense should work, funnily enough that’s the defense we ran in highschool and this is the offense we ran lol

[@Tb-gz4qt]

nah on a team like this u play small ball and switch, but u have to have great defenders. This is how my high school played and we literally went 70-13 in two years. Its impossible to beat if u have a team full of players that can ISO, shoot, and run fast on the break.

[@Elc0chin0]

UCONN Women's has always played this way. Spurs used to also play this way.

[@VitalityMassage]

Use a variety of attack methods instead of just adapting to one.

[@deionmcmillan9178]

Ran this Exact offense 6 years ago at my High Scool won a city Championship 💯

[@SI10379]

Congrats

[@1q2w3e4r59]

What city?

[@deionmcmillan9178]

@@1q2w3e4r59 Los Angeles

[@playthatagainbruh394]

Honestly this is a dribble drive offense with 4 out 1 in...the big always is on the weakside block to open driving lanes. It also puts pressure on the offense to have creators. Calipari used it in Memphis and early on at Kentucky

[@napolianmyhand4642]

yea this is definitely an extension of that Read&React motion offense from Rick Torbett. circle principle, positionless, blah blah. I think its great for teaching basketball offensive principles to young ball players for sure tho. Maybe a good secondary set for a small ball lineup as well

[@amorrobel]

Similar technique is applied in soccer. Those teams that apply this concept effectively are amazing. It's almost like art flowing right in front of your eyes

[@eugeneflynn7435]

Coach, thanks for this. While it may be common in Europe, it was a revelation to me (former player and coach for +25 years). Great breakdown and clear explanation as always.

[@RobShelley84]

Excellent video! As you your question, no I don't think set plays simply allow the defense to rest. If the defense is resting is offense is resting. I don't see an advantage or disadvantage there (in the general case). But obviously these players have benefitted from learning set plays based in how they move and cut, but now it's freeform. I just wonder how long it would take an elite NBA coach to adjust a defense to make this kind of offense a little gummier and more uncomfortable?

[@giossicom]

This is what in Italy is called "simple collaborations". Basically the players have to move in a clockwise/counterclockwise rotation. Replacing the player whose dribbling in a direction is called "go in the shadow" of the player. You can play this kind of basket with also 1 low post and 4 out. The combination are limited, but working for a long time with these ideas can improve a lot the player's ability to read the game. Space, time, balance, collaboration, autonomy. BUT... The limit of this type of offence is the level of the defence you get in touch with. What I mean is that the more the defence is strong, the worst the resuls are (playing this type of play). Sooner or later you need to create separation, force the defence to switch defenders and so on... You cannot have just this game-play when the opponents are good defenders.

[@chiefnochillsteph4146]

No plays just principles... We'd call them "The Rockets" 😂😂😂😂

[@apocalypse4720]

no james harden just runs the ball down and shoots on ever possession lol

[@devvv4616]

the rockets doesn't have this level of player and ball movement

[@jeremywhite1062]

Shit the rockets don't move as a team wheel cause harden will stall in iso or Westbrook just runs over everyone in the paint and draws foul shots instead of defense getting rewarded with a charge

[@chetan5848]

True, when Harden feels like passing - which is almost never.

[@markone6861]

They just got the job done nothing fancy

[@byronrhodes1659]

I love spacing and movement! I hated set plays in high school, it felt so stiff, cluttered and manufactured.

[@kyle381000]

I felt the same way when I played high school ball. I always felt that set plays were the result of lazy and/or unimaginative coaching. Set plays make sense for football, not basketball. Opposing teams can see a set play a couple of times and then predict it for the rest of the game.

[@terradon852]

Lol we did exactly this in my middle school expansion team. Except everyone was stupid and couldn’t remember to cut after a pass

[@andrewhutson7065]

TerraDon same

[@avalope]

Same, but they never passed

[@johnnyblade1276]

Yeah just needs one moron to forget to cut and you’re trapped. This is also terrible against pressure D or long defenders.

[@lvn4x]

What’s an expansion team in middle school? Did they put y’all in Seattle or Vancouver or something?

[@oswegoboysbasketballassoci8381]

@@johnnyblade1276 Disagree, there are built in rules to go back door against trapping, if drilled properly this will destroy pressure.

[@ALWINSANITY]

good vid, but im not sure if this system would work against a team with great individual defenders and also against a team that has discipline to not always collapse on penetrations. Also, you see that a lot of the times when you have someone drive and another person cut at the same time, it makes the spacing bad, so a good defensive team could trap easily and force turnovers if the person who has the ball is not a good/smart passer

[@coachdaniel8163]

Good points, but I would lean toward respectfully disagreeing with you. Division 3 basketball is a pretty high level of ball, and teams always make defensive mistakes. Also while great individual defenders make this offense harder to run, they would do that to any offense. Lastly with the way Saint Joseph's practiced, what I heard is their players greatly improved their passing. They got good practice reps and there's a great benefit when you always know where your teammates will be too.

[@randyshibowen]

you realize these players are at the same level of basketball. D3 defenders would not be relatively worse to D3 offenders than those in D1

[@ALWINSANITY]

Randy Shi true but im just comparing what i see here to what i see in the nba. Teams that run a lot of 1on1 heavy offense with spacing such as the rockets and bucks proved to be guardable when tried on good teams deep in the playoffs because as said before teams with good individual defenders to guard drives and cuts would suppress their offense.

[@randyshibowen]

@@ALWINSANITY yeah, but this system right here is less about 1 on 1 isn't it? You do have a ball handler as an initiator then the rest moves and attacks. If you look at Rockets and Bucks, they are just 1 on 1 all the time: the spacing and cuts come from the 1 on 1's. An NBA version of this would be the warriors before KD. But of course they need a 1 on 1 problem solver at last

[@elnatanshapiro3420]

@@coachdaniel8163 What about a 2-3 zone defense, wouldn't that be much tougher?

[@JC_COMICSANDCOLLECTIBLES]

We ran this offense at my HS in 2005-2008 called "motion". We'd also use pass fakes to create backdoor cutters. You have the option to pass and cut, pass and pick and roll/pop, or pass fake.. constant rotations.

[@matthewboettcher6346]

This can work to a certain extent in the NBA. But you still need some set plays to get stars their touches in their spots and keep everyone happy

[@kelleyeidem667]

Everyone gets more touches this way. If a star is more interested in getting his favorite shots, trade them for someone who likes to win.

[@CL-td7kn]

It’s like soccer tbh, move to open space and keep good spacing

[@pixxelwizzard]

Moving without the ball is skill a lot of players either don't possess or don't fully understand. It's not just moving, it's knowing where and when to move. This basketball program seems to be doing a good job of creating a strategy based around that. Love it.

[@frank-ko6de]

You must not have heard of Tad Boyle, Mark Few,Mike D'Antoni, Steve Kerr or even Adolph Rupp or even John Wooden. You people are hilarious.😂😂😂😂

[@hinokami2913]

@@frank-ko6de bro what are you talking about

[@frank-ko6de]

@@hinokami2913 Bro, why can't you even read?....😶😶😶😶

[@MrDLHarris]

This coach plays NBA2K, that's exactly how almost every team play in the Rec or ProAm

[@CptMonstar]

Dustin Harris I was gonna say the exact same thing 🤣

[@scottknows5761]

I play rec with randoms, trust me, they don't play this or any system in there. They just do a mess of 3 to 4 guys doing a screen on top of the 3 point line, when pg has already beaten other team pg....effectively bringing every member of the opposite team to ball handler and causing a turnover. Every time, all the positions....

[@MrDLHarris]

@@scottknows5761 oh I rarely play with randoms. Always end up stuck with people who has clearly never played basketball before. Or a damn harlem globetrotter

[@larryaustin1272]

9:22 “What if an NBA team ran no set plays and no pick and rolls and just played off principles? We’d call them crazy.” No, we’d call them the Denver Nuggets of the 1980s.

[@area.man.]

Bill Hanzlik and Blair Rasmussen appreciate you.

[@juddvance7721]

My first thought, "Doug Moe's motion offense."

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Doug Moe

[@deanfirnatine7814]

@@area.man. Two Oregon boys (Hanzlik, Lake Oswego)

[@alleykat6145]

Basic a b a run n. Gun ball.

[@mmii2859]

Great reserch, great video. Correct me if i'm wrong but Bucks played similar bball last year. Anyway very interesting.

[@seanmoore7690]

Not as much ball movement and cutting, but the Bucks had some form of that offense. I would say the 2013-2014 Spurs played this way though.

[@coachdaniel8163]

Thanks. And yes they did have 5 out spacing and a postionless mindset, though they still ran many pick and rolls and set plays. But they're probably closest to this in the NBA.

[@jdramirez77]

I'm a dho/screen guy. I believe those principles when applied correctly give you slivers in which to pass the ball, but when you do... it is nearly impossible to stop. The girls I coached last year... they mostly couldn't run a dho or screen... it was frustrating... but you work with what you got.

[@errol6788]

Absolutely right Mr Pole....it’s been 40 years though, but that is, or was the basic set up in England, when I played for the under 21 cadet side for FIAT cadets.

[@youngnebula187]

Ummm....Daniel I think Golden State Warriors does something very similar to this without even trying😅🤷🏾‍♂️🏀 or running sets!

[@onestopfunstop317]

I don't know why they pick everyone up outside the 3 point line. They probably only have a couple of real 3 point threats.

[@deboss8998]

Onestop Funstop they don’t know their opponents it’s just d3 ball

[@drew284]

@DeBoss D3 teams still scout and know the personnel on every single team they play. They watch a lot of film just like d2 or d1. And @Onestop Funstop if you look at St. Joseph's stats, they have 5 players shooting 45% from 3, and 4 other players shooting 35% or better. They shoot 43% from 3 as a team. So yeah the other team really does need to pick up all of them outside the 3 pt. line.

[@palangikai]

Read and react offense. I've been back and forth with this over the last decade but can never fully commit to running it. Need the right personnel (IMO).

[@steveschinnerer8465]

jcrums When I finally committed to it, we won a State, and national championship with it. Trust it!!!!!

[@ivwoc]

The origin of the motion offense has been disputed, sometimes attributed to Henry Iba, the former head coach of the Oklahoma State Cowboys men's basketball team, and sometimes to coaches of the New York Renaissance, an all-African American team who played during the 1920s and 30s. *straight from wikipedia*

[@charlesbawden5924]

Simple answer. Yes. Pick and rolls and set plays absolutely give defense time to rest and set a zone. Great video.

[@briandoyle7662]

I have heard of this college since that is where I went to school!

[@brettnorris3140]

this implies that all 5 players can shoot 3’s tho

[@twowheelseatingmeals-motoj8080]

Which is... in todays basketball if you want to achieve at a high level need to be able to do. There is no more positions in basketball, everyone scores, plays defense, rebounds and run the floor. It's a game of conditioning now. Steph revolutionized the game, that baby face nigga.

[@jason8237able]

@Brett Norris I totally agree with you. And if they 5 can shoot at 3pt line, they will win anyway

[@plupster]

Honestly, they don't even have to shoot the 3, they have other options, and even if you're bad at shooting, you still have a good look to score

[@danfli3669]

...and they all must be able to handle the ball against great defenders. Nobody wants their big man trying to drive on Kyrie

[@SwiftSlaynow]

@@jason8237able It's not about being a sharp shooter, its about getting a great shot. Because anyone, i mean anyone can knock down a great shot

[@gegaoli]

Basically this is the approach to football (soccer) - freedom to create while maintaining principals.

[@meghansmith9100]

Idk why people are hating on this video. It’s actually very helpful especially if a team is a struggling on offense. A lot of schools don’t have good coaching or a Stable offense and try doing too much. I think this is a very good video

[@leobruno959]

This is one of your best videos. Congrats and thanks for sharing!

[@neilrichardson2725]

yeah growing up playing aau in the mid 2000's, this was called "the wheel" - everyone just moves around the court in a circular motions and if you happen to be near a defender, just a set a screen for a second, and it totally messes with the defense. especially at a quick pace. high school was more x's and o's and set plays.

[@andyr8029]

As a soccer player, this is how I play pickup basketball.

[@shawn349]

Andy R same I play soccer also so I feel like this is what I should be doing based on what I know from my 9 years of soccer. My instincts kinda take over and it just happens.

[@clay9333]

Good motion offense against a man defense but 3-2 zone D would make them have to run set plays.

[@andrewshevchuk2062]

played high school ball and this was our offense from 2009-2013. In 2012 our team was ranked #4 in NY State. Cortland Purple Tigers Basketball Section III, Single A

[@garrickrespress]

This program runs Read & React from Rick Torbett of Better Basketball. The movement is called "Circling," which he says is working on a wheel.

[@parkerkooima9501]

Dude we have run this for years in my school?? Like since the 90's??? I didnt know a 30 year old highschool offense was "cutting edge"

[@evanc.2382]

80's for me. The one on one type of game is too NBAish. People in the street grow up with that...and dont learn the fundamentals ( principles)

[@southafricanizationofsociety20]

Oh so basically move without the ball yeah I think that is a lost art.

[@TravelGamerKpopper]

The NBA utilizes all of these principles and interchange them throughout each play...it's not always just pick & roll.

[@scottmckinney159]

We did this in our high school in the early 80’s, a few years before the three point line. Our coach called it a spread offense and we pushed the ball up no matter who rebounded. And we subbed in five for five and just wore them down. By the time the fourth quarter rolled around we were running away with the game.

[@bullfrogger1208]

Another pioneer program is Fresno City College . They are so fun to watch . They use every player and run up tempo the entire game .Vance Walberg pioneered the system years ago and won everywhere he used it . He had 100 wins at Fresno in 3 seasons . He brought it to Memphis and Calipari uses some of it and he is now at UMASS as an assistant . It looked to me like Pete Carril's Princeton offense on speed . This style is catching on but not because of St Joes .

[@isaachatfield1242]

This is my high school’s offense. This is all we ran. We won a state championship

[@pierce8080]

High School has been running pass and cut since the 90s. This ain’t new

[@Polarcutter]

Just a give and go..

[@TheStonedEvo]

Jo Pierce he’s not saying it’s new. He’s saying the NBA should adopt this strategy.

[@TConn9]

If all you took from this video was pass and cut, you either weren’t paying attention or didn’t understand what they were doing that is very different than offenses from past eras. Sorry.

[@yuki-tan]

for someone who didnt really touch basketball irl and only watch nba, this is new

[@edstrangeway3831]

Stephan Beauvais except he said they are pioneers and cutting edge. That both means new.

[@Lamon1]

This is exactly what my highschool team does, this is just a regular offense for NZ/AUS basketball.

[@stevenhs8821]

And USA.

[@sinatraoce5339]

Haha true i live in nz but this really only apllys for juniors. I'm year 11 rn and it was difficult learning how to do set plays and running zone.

[@TheTradesFoundation574]

Love this. So much depends on your team. Also Good Defense does make it more difficult. At the End of the day, it’s about Match ups! This is a great offensive system when you have positionless players and high basketball iq. If I have a Stud post player, I’m getting him the ball down low. If I have a stud Guard, I’m running sets like Davidson did in 08 for Steph. Love the Pickup ball Offense though for sure. Ball movement and cutting is a beautiful thing.

[@Trizzer89]

I LOVE this concept. I think another subtle point is that the rotation really makes everybody feel involved, which is important for team cohesiveness

[@Badartist888]

Yeah. I have to say I play with a lot of these rules but a couple of guys on my team come from playing a lot of 1v1 and, while damn good at what they do, they try to win the whole game by themselves. Gets frustrating.

[@christophersmith8316]

That was an important point of the Bull's Triangle offense - to keep the ball moving to other players even when you have MJ and Pippen on the team.

[@gswdeclan]

This is by far the whitest 10 minutes of college basketball I've ever seen.

[@oldheadonme5740]

Wasn’t it wonderful

[@mechanicalbreathing589]

Fundamentals boi

[@jamalmatthewladia8834]

Fundamentals

[@Johnkoth]

I've seen fundamental short guys beat every team on a court before. Use all 5 guys on offense and you will beat offenses that have better 2 or 3 players. Heat offense vs Spurs in Finals had Wade, Bosh and James its better than Duncan, Parker and Ginboli. But the Spurs used the other guys better with more passing. As for defense the defense what is considered very good now. The offense was considered average. But they beat a very good offense. Spurs had have the open man shoot the shot. But if you guarded very good the open shot is not there as much. So the Spurs had Parker or Ginboli do a layup or Duncan do a Isolation.

[@MichaelLee-pl4sh]

Yeah this was pretty slow pace I thought the whole video was slow motion

[@starwrek]

Yeah this was literally our offence in high school 7 years ago. Litterally called 5 out and used the exact same principals. Not revolutionary

[@mattparker3349]

Ya this guy doesn’t realize why this wouldn’t work in the nba. 1 you’d be dead tired you can’t rotate 10-12 guys because your bench is at such a lower level that you can’t put them in or they will be mowed on defense. Also this won’t work with an nba schedule the level of strain on your body is much different in college with 1-3 games a week vs pros having 3-5 games in a week with a lower shot clock timer and longer games as well as less players avaliable to rotate in a lineup.

[@CTback]

No 4 around 1?

[@Quatloo2007]

One thing that's needed: all 5 players able to dribble and shoot the 3. No specialists here.

[@larrymcever4601]

My part in coaching was to drill the transition after a defensive rebound. I drilled to make pass or push the ball up the court just as shown here. Passes move faster than the defense. Three or four players would rush the basket in a spread formation. I wanted a layup, but a short 10' jumper was often allowed. The other team never got to set their half-court defense. Since we were shooting mostly layups, anyone on the floor could score on any given possession. Even so the "shooters" also scored more points getting close in junk rather than having to deal with a set defense. We got a lot of wide-open threes. The offense involved moving the ball down the court without letting the ball touch the floor. We loved to play against teams that liked to press on defense. They intentionally left the defense on the wrong end of the court making transition baskets easier. The players loved the offense, and we did win a state championship. One or two players were to lag on offense to prevent an uncontested transition reversal. We had a lot of fun and won a lot of games. These guys got so good that when they began to play V ball, they would run the offense even after a made basket, the varsity coach also loved transition offense.

[@ernestbywater411]

I hate to burst your bubble, but this is exactly how I was taught how to play basketball in my local competition in Sydney, Australia, back in the 1970s. The fast movement up the court after a rebound was called 'Run and Gun' with the rebounder moving up court as fast as they can while the forwards immediately race up court as soon as a team mate has the ball so they can be in place for a pass for an uncontested layup. The rotational offense is intended to create an open center area for someone driving in to have space to move while having a back up position of having someone out in a position to make an easy uncontested 3 pointer if the ball has to be passed out due to the center becoming crowded.

[@coltoncrowell3626]

And if the defence runs a zone then they're screwed

[@reconnaissanceman1547]

Colton Crowell They’ll shoot threes. That’s why NBA teams (mostly) don’t run it. The shooters are too good.

[@Sam-nq6rh]

AceHoops what? wouldn’t that benefit NBA teams?

[@HenryTheTodd]

@@Sam-nq6rh he meant the zone defense, was a little unclear

[@bobf5360]

depends if they run 2-3 or 4-1 zone, but in either case it would force them to shoot 3s. Also, their run wouldn't work great against traps.

[@ddoggphx]

No, you basically run the cutters to post spots and then run new ones in as they clear out.

[@boymaoy1848]

Coach can you make a video about this kind of offense against zone d?

[@OP-pb2pl]

We use all these exact principals in high school and I don’t think it’s that revolutionary since other high schools also follow these principals !! Anyways good work Ps: We won a state championship with this offense and also zone defense .

[@bennybeaver5119]

Okay, I understand, but I seldom see this type of offense run in high school. I certainly agree with the philosophy of cutting, ball movement, etc. as it creates for fluid motion and spacing. I think this is old school basketball when the game wasn't played above the rim as it is now. Also, the emphasis on dunking and 3-point shooting detracts from this motion offense. I wish more high schools and D-1 programs would adopt the principles of this offense as it's very interesting to watch fluid motion.

[@ericantes9203]

Motion offense we used in high school 20 years ago. Its great for smaller quicker teams with shooters

[@McScott76]

I wish we had run this when I played high school ball. Then our coach couldn't have constantly called his son's number on set plays. Come to think of it, this would be good for all the "daddy ball" rec leagues where everything is geared toward helping the coach live vicariously through his 8 year old son.

[@tavarespeoples3540]

"No Set Plays" "Pass & Cut" "15 feet apart" somebody been studying Tex Winters' Triangle Offense I see

[@markboston9303]

The only difference is that he doesn't have the corner guys sliding off where the top of the key players well do a rub screen in front of the key and position themselves in the corners. All of this still require a play to be run otherwise it will just end up in Mass confusion or incredibly predictable passing Lanes

[@markboston9303]

In the second I see a shity shooter stand in the corner, I'm immediately leaving him for the ball handler or I'm immediately going to Deke the ball-handler and move right back into the passing Lane to whoever is their best shooter, and force him to pass it to the poor shooter, then I would Corral him right at the corner and see if I can force him out of bounds since they will not be able to do anything else but reset the whole situation. I force them motherfukers to call a timeout and rethink this whole not running a play scam

[@markboston9303]

The thing is, this can be done with two players, maybe three players if one player is just required to do a standing screen or a rub screen. But you can't have five guys BN synchronicity spaced out like that, because essentially all the passing lanes are predictable, and any inefficient placement will be immediately exploited because there is no way of breaking your predictability without breaking the rules of the system. I'm surprised the person who made this video even said this, but in order for this to work remotely, you have to be able to score from anywhere that your guys are placed on the court. Meaning, you can't have that shooters. The concept I don't think it would work, but I would feel the exuberance of the ideal what exists for this offense alongside the future of the NBA being position list. Meaning, having 5 wings. But the NBA in general, let alone this type of offense, requires most of your players to be able to shoot at 3 at this point. I t's nearly impossible to survive in the NBA without three-point range unless you have a bevy of other talents, or your top 50 player. Because you have a marker that predicts everything that happens on a court, or essentially, a tell, you're tired defense can live off the tell. So if I know that every guy is going to be 15 feet apart, I can literally just look at the basketball Handler and no where all the passing lanes are without even looking at everyone else. And the only way I would get it wrong, as if the ball handler or the team isn't running the offense correctly. The office is essentially telling me the exact placement of every single player at all times as long as I look at the ball handler. This might work in high school where it's hard to gauge facial movements this quickly with people who can pass it very quickly and possibly have good Shooters. But this wouldn't work in college or the NBA. Too much speed, too much defense of knowledge, too much film, and the last thing you want is the whereabouts of all of your Shooters to be known beforehand or to be anticipated before someone even gets the ball

[@josephbabcock7903]

A help-side zone would be able to defend this pretty well just sayin

[@TopHomeBiz10]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@zfortyounce]

Zone is for cowards.

[@TheStephenRibero]

That's what I was thinking

[@bulldogg830]

If you look at the read and react system it's all the same principles for man or zone (which is very efficient for coaches to implement). But, with zone, there are a lot of pin screens. So weak side players screen the help side (top or bottom) then you hit someone with a skip pass. Usually leads to a wide open shot. When the D catches on, those screeners become pretty open in the middle (death to zones). Or, as Rick Torbett says "One good skip deserves another." So throw in another pin screen and reverse the skip. Should generate open looks, or at least get the defense closing out at you for you to attack.

[@lenfer1607]

@@zfortyounce dont hate the playa hate the game

[@bodhisattva99]

waste time with an outlet pass? pushing the ball takes more time than a good quick outlet pass up the floor...

[@bluefletcherfish]

I think he meant without the rebounder needing to pass to the point guard, who then initiates the offense. I'd imagine the rebounder could also choose to pass the ball up the floor with an outlet pass instead of dribbling it up.

[@jerryko8076]

We ran the similar play in high school. It's called motion offense from UCLA. I think it was by john wooden. The offense never stand still, the players always in motion if they don't have the ball; either cut from the blind side or set back picks. I works on both zone or man defense.

[@frankyfiasco1212]

Don Neslon employed this sort of concept with the Warriors with Mullen and Haradway in the RunTMC era

[@panosvz]

ThIs is all great. Unless there is a defense.

[@janis317]

What makes this not so good is that its really hard to get back on defense if you don't have a successful possession.

[@coachdaniel8163]

Not true! Especially since you always have players filling to the top, getting back on defense is easier. Saint Joseph's also didn't really crash the offensive glass much so that allows them to get back to.

[@ephraimdivina4828]

@@jerrysmooth24 of course he can. Whats that suppose to mean?

[@EdgarsKuks]

@@coachdaniel8163 from my experience teaching these simple read and react, 5 out, pass and cut principles , the most important however is 1vs1 skills and exploiting the weak side help.

[@joshknox4643]

1v1 doesn't apply if you understand how the defense shifts. No crazy moves just 1 or 2 counters if stuck or 1 move and try to score. If you get stuck there's always an open spacer to kick to

[@colinsweet8383]

These opposing teams don’t understand basic man defensive. There’s a thing called a help line

[@LM-ge4so]

I know the defense was ridiculously bad

[@letsgoyanetsko205]

1/3/1 stops this as well as 1/2/1/1 full court press stops this offense

[@masonawoods]

I played this offense in middle school this isn’t a world changing idea

[@lw9492]

My school plays like this. My coach used to coach the north carolina tar heels and I always thought he was a bad coach because he never ran plays

[@crazyliam4842]

Wait till they see a 2-3 zone

[@coachdaniel8163]

They actually scored more efficiently vs. zone than man to man last season according to Synergy stats. Not hard to see why with their movement and cutting principles.

[@crazyliam4842]

@@coachdaniel8163 ok nvm thanks for the feedback

[@foreignvic9938]

This is literally high school basketball offense. At least at the schools I’ve played/watched

[@lenextowens6608]

Golden state and Houston already run this type of offense just looks slightly different because the players are much better

[@Bill_8864]

I was thinking the same thing. Also, the 3 point line at the distance it is now has brought the players out further from the basket & opened the court up.

[@43reardon]

Houston? I guess when they aren't running ISO but hard to remember 5 minutes a game where that is the case.

[@grant5941]

Philadelphia works with it as well, although slightly altered

[@jamespgray6928]

This was very informative and entertaining. Thanks for posting.

[@RobbyM32CREW]

when i was a kid we had a coach that coached us from 3rd grade until our sophmore season, and then at that point our varsity coach took over, our first coach played by a very similar play book and we were very successful, being a small bodied team we had to use movement to our advantage and speed, when we switched to varsity ball that coach was much more playbook oriented, slow down, post up, feed the middle and being smaller bodied team we just had much less success playing this way, very confident we were one of the best team in the state with the way we played in years past to have a different coaching strategy work against us

[@aussiesurfer805]

oh dear ... i had to check the date on this vid. and when i saw it was 2019 ... like i said, oh dear ...

[@coachdaniel8163]

Ok, it's 2019. How many college and professional teams run no set plays, no pick and rolls, and just play off principles? Pretty much none.

[@aussiesurfer805]

Coach Daniel mate, decent review and breakdown, it would have taken some time and effort, so full credit to you.. However, it’s nothing new and is used the world over... I couldn’t tell you any US teams that use it because i don’t follow the US game closely enough, but I’m sure there are many that could (and i think they have in other comments)... I can tell you that I coached an U18 rep team to a State Championship last year using the same approach ... its commonly referred to as “read and react” , but the very nature of it means there are many variations .. I find it works best for teams without a dominant post player, but instead have a lot of aggressive athletic play makers with good handles and passing... but (again) the nature of it means you can use it in other ways to how i have

[@playthatagainbruh394]

@@coachdaniel8163 This is a dribble drive motion offense. Its not sustainable to have no set plays. You need go to plays for key moments

[@lordgaben9721]

Play That Again Bruh I’m sure they draw up plays for key moments dude

[@playthatagainbruh394]

@@lordgaben9721 thats a set play ...playing off principles strictly is a pure motion offense.

[@boaconstrictor3754]

What if other team play zone defence?

[@Motionandstory]

ante juricev I had the same question watching this breakdown.

[@TheKingkenry]

The offense will work well against a zone because of the zones weakness are corner threes, backdoor cuts, and strong-side overload. This offense takes advantage of those deficiencies.

[@coachdaniel8163]

They simply follow the same principles, maybe hit the foul line more, and play attack that way. Saint Joseph's scored better vs. zone than man this past season.

[@tutorialboss7342]

@@coachdaniel8163 Can you post some footage of them playing against zone with your analysis?

[@stevenhs8821]

@@TheKingkenry And against bad zone, it would be killer.

[@WBWellington]

This is just basic motion... Taught in middle school / High school basketball in America..

[@terrybrunk9190]

Yeah but fundamentals aren't taught anymore. Free throw shooting is in a big part of the game anymore and it is still. Kids see these players out there shooting 30 foot 3 pointers and that's all they want to shoot. That's not basketball

[@Sean180morris]

No basic motion has screens

[@utapandgo]

Man that was cool explaining, I didn't like that game much, but watching this was awesome: I'm gonna get sport mad at a team if they don't rotate now..

[@dylankimbro1115]

This is exactly what I was taught in elementary school, had to be in 4th grade. I have always remembered this offense and has made a big mark on my basketball ideology. Constant movement and spacing is very key. As most teams do not have traditional big men anymore, this offense is finally ready to flourish. St. Joseph is not revolutionary, 2001 KY youth recreational b-ball was ahead of its time!!!

[@rethsogan251]

Ummm... Whose gonna tell him that this is just a motion offense without picks?