Stan Wawrinka vs Roger Federer Backhand Comparison (Tennis Technique Explained)

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Stan Wawrinka vs Roger Federer Backhand Comparison (Tennis Technique Explained)
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[@Patbaker25]

Thanks!

[@germanslice]

I been using Stan's Backhand, and so far since I started implementing it its been rocketing the ball 80-100 mph through the court going very flat, clearing just inches over the net to 2-3 feet. Staying low down in the court, plenty of effortless pace. But as for the finish, do we just come up with the racquet in the swing or do we turn the racquet?

[@tennisteuton]

"Hello, it’s Ryan from Two-Minute-Tennis, and in this video, I am going to help Roger, one of my KZbin subscribers, to improve his backhand like Stan Wawrinka's."

[@2MinuteTennis]

Haha this has my cracking up. Thanks so much!!!

[@jazzyjayhog]

I never leave a comment but coach Ryan should have 500k at least or 1million subs.. explains basics so simply yet stays true to all mechanics and advanced technique and touches up on them without scaring beginners. True ambassador of the sport. I recommend people to watch all his vids and keep watching the same ones in areas of where you want to level up in your game. Thanks COACH. Old timer now but an ex Stanford guy. And thanks to anyone reading my rambling post ...

[@2MinuteTennis]

Wow. What an amazing comment Dr JJ. I truly appreciate your support. I try my best to help players improve no matter their level. So I’m glad that shows up in the videos. I thank you for leaving that comment. Means the world to me. Best.

[@a2casius]

Best comparison video I have seen on the most highly rated OHB players ever. Much appreciated. Highly impressed by your detailed and insightful analysis.

[@anonymousl5150]

It's not very good. They discount the fact that Stan is leaning forward to get a ball farther from his body than Roger's. That completely changes everything.

[@TightLinesFLA]

Best training video I've ever seen on the one handed backhand. Thanks Coach!

[@christianmilon2311]

The reason why Federer has a different racket angle at the start is due to his grip which is quite different from Stan. Their index knuckle are basically located the same but Stan has his other knuckles aligned on the handle while Roger has them in an angle to the handle. This is why Roger has a finish under the yellow line as well. It’s all mechanics.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thanks so much Christian!

[@dimjohannisse6067]

Bonne observation! cqfd

[@brianpearsell7408]

Also, the camera is more directly behind Stan. Roger appears to be more to the right of the camera. Stan steps forward and to the left to meet the ball. Roger steps back in order to create space for his swing. This difference in camera angles accentuates what appears to be a more laid off racket angle. Not saying it isn’t more laid off - because a slightly less extreme grip - just not as laid off as this camera angle makes it appear. Great channel. Great stuff.

[@swu1413]

I actually prefer Federer’s position since it’s easy to slice from that position also

[@jomarigarcia1309]

@@swu1413 I agree the position itself is tricky and u don't really know how he would play the ball until he either puts it near his hip or just hits a slice

[@jiahongchen5549]

One slight difference I noticed from watching this vid is how Federer has more of an upright posture and Stan is more bent. I think this slight difference in posture is why stans racket is more vertical during take back and finishes higher during follow through. Great analysis brother

[@chrishendrix2792]

Exactly right!

[@johndenny3068]

So excited to see you had done this! Thank you. Nobody breaks it down like you do!

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hey thanks so much John!!

[@puntingk3607]

Thanks coach! Closing the racket face is such a brilliant tip. My single handed backhand improved immediately. That was a flaw in my technique. Everything else I do it naturally including Shapo's method. I would like to add that for rec players struggling with 1hbh, the prep part is not really needed at rec level. By prep I mean, taking the racket to the side and dropping the racket. You can straightaway take it to slot position where the coach talks about closing the racket face. Later on you can add the racket pointing to the sky and the drop. For starters, grip the racket, plant your left foot and take it to the slot position closing the face with both hands on the racket, step in to front foot, let go of the left hand and swing. Keep the body closed until the swing is complete.

[@3chords490]

What’s great about this video is the way he explains WHY we need to get into certain positions. So many videos tell you what the right techniques and positions are BUT they don’t fully explain the reason the pros do it that way. For example , I immediately wanted to know why the racket needed to be closed , but immediately he explained why. It’s really important to understand the mechanics but also the rationale for them too. Great stuff!

[@Kathlynn82]

Finally someone explains the importance of the off-hand. It adjusts and carry’s the backswing load until the racquet is passed to the main hand.

[@Luso_Tun]

This is by far the best training video I've ever seen about the one handed backhand... Thank you 😊

[@2MinuteTennis]

Wow thank you Whale! Here’s a great video you may like as well. Thanks! kzbin.info/www/bejne/ini5nKqnicmEm5I

[@Patbaker25]

Great tutorial! I'm going from two handed to one handed backhand. This vid is perfect tutorial for those who wants to learn the one handed backhand.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Wow thank you Patrick. If you liked this video then you’ll love this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ini5nKqnicmEm5I

[@matthewhoang8484]

Real men don't hit two handed backhand 😂

[@satoshinakamoto3200]

I watched a lot of videos of Roger and Stan, and I have been comparing them myself. I came up with these points myself, and you have confirmed them. Thanks a lot!

[@jimbo92107]

Good preliminary description. I have three tips to increase your control, power and topspin on the one-handed backhand. 1. Notice where Shap and you finish the carry with the racket. Put a one-inch strip of blue masking tape on the racket's most forward edge. Should be the corner where vertical and horizontal strings end. That piece of tape is how you aim the finish of your carry, but it's okay to let the racket continue past that point, so long as you stay conscious of that strip of tape. No matter how hard you swing, if you aim this way, it will be a stable shot. 2. Going way back to Billie Jean King, you've got to cock your wrist so that the racket snaps outwards to the ball, then carry the racket face forward re tip 1. The longer you delay the snap, the more power you'll get. 3. To double your topspin, just as your left hand lets go of the racket, try flipping the racket head down with your thumb. When it rebounds back up, you'll get an impressive amount of topspin, like Nadal's forehand. I call this a "flip-rip" backhand swing. Caution: it can produce some embarrassing miss-hits, but if you time it right, it's great fun.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thanks for the comments Jim

[@tennisforgood]

This is a brilliant analysis. Thanks, Ryan! I will integrate portions of it into my teaching.

[@tetraqartet6798]

Tnx for the great clearness, I'll be practicing that neat swing! 🙏🎾👏🏼📝

[@2MinuteTennis]

Happy to help you! Thanks!

[@joshualeifer3335]

tremendous attention to detail & clear explanation. Thank you!

[@musarra195]

Excellent comment about keeping that trailing arm on there longer. You are a good teacher and precise with your language

[@2MinuteTennis]

So glad you liked it! Thanks Paul!

[@geemy9675]

Great video. One thing though every baseline shot tutorial seems to be focusing on generating a lot of top spin, except for a sliced backhand . I think it's good to master a whole range of spin, from almost flat to lot of top spin, because in certain situation hitting with less top spin is useful

[@Nill757]

I appreciate these great racket mechanics discussions re hand, arm position. They’re important, but they miss so much else that’s important, so that much of the US amateur club player tennis world thinks the sport is 95% about the arm-hand, or the ‘non hitting hand’, etc. The things that makes Feds swing beautiful are his body dynamics, feet, hips, torso. Weight shift from foot to foot. Body position relative the ball. Wawrinka is using more torso tilt to reach that ball; Fed is much more upright. More upright means it’s easier to maintain balance, one less degree of motion to manage, and that torso tilt has to recovered after the shot, again taking more time, more energy, more balance management. Balance means quicker movement from the stop, using less energy, yet more ease of control. It’s also evident to me that Warinka is using more arm and shoulder strength, while Fed uses more hip, torso twist power delivered into his shoulder.

[@2MinuteTennis]

I agree with 100% of what you said. Thanks!!

[@ricardovargas7432]

Man, your videos are so good and useful!!!!

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hey thanks so much Ricardo!

[@gregwickstrom5479]

I would draw attention to the fact that both players don't move their head until well after contact, and that they both have their left elbow bent to create proper spacing. The key is to get the recreational player to release their shot when it seems like the ball is still too far away. Only then can they replicate the awesome technique these guys have.

[@Jlymansackhead]

Here’s what I have found to be the difference between the two grips: Before, when I used to bring my head up too early, the full eastern position with knuckle directly on bevel one helped to keep the ball in the court, like a crutch, but a more reactive and non driving shot from the baseline, but then when I realized the benefits of having the grip more between bevels 1 and 2, I quickly trained myself to keep my head down through the shot, and now what used to be a more defensive shot is driving through the court, even on the run. The difference is huge.

[@adage3256]

Such a great lesson, thanks for helping me sort out some kinks in my single handed backhand.

[@2MinuteTennis]

So glad to hear that Aditya!

[@brunoaardewijn8987]

Hi... I'm tennis lover. I've been playing tennis since I was 7 yeras old and I'm brazilian citizien. I've learned english with you. Your accent and pronnunciation is amazing. Thanks!!!!

[@TheBaronInTheTrees]

this is inspiring and super helpful. All one handers should watch this one

[@2MinuteTennis]

Glad you liked the video so much!

[@aljerksbarcelonia1241]

Fed backhand is mind game hitting just same as forhand can go lob alittle bit as rally’s goes whereas wawrinka is hitting direct to the point where opponent can be out balanced. Both players very good

[@quentincrisp6933]

Many of the pros have the racquet head almost pointing to the back fence when they finish I assume because of their loose wrists. Look at Dimitrov's finish.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Yep I know exactly what you’re saying. Thanks for watching!!

[@stevenhowie4219]

Great video, one thing thats not discussed enough is that heel pad is on bevel 8 as it's diagonal to the index pad they aren't both on bevel 1 as this puts wrist in weak position. Having heel pad on 8 and undex on 1 allows for pistol spread knuckles luke Federer. If grip is more hammer then Definitely on bevel 8. This allows the grip to work against the heel pad to allow the head of racket to come up through impact easier and offer more support. Have a look at still picture of players when racket is about to move out of slot see it easier

[@akingturtle]

Excellent..gonna implement this tomorrow. My one hand has deteriorated somewhat. Time to go back to basics

[@marcialaquino6649]

Thanks coach... I can now start playing Lawn Tennis... God bless your Ministry sir!

[@robertl.6919]

@Ryan If I may clarify a point regarding both follow thru... You have to take in consideration their upper body position and angle at contact point and especially when you show the yellow horizontal yellow line. We clearly see that Wawrinka upper body is bent forward as Federer is almost standing straight up. If you would draw a lign from left shoulder to right shoulder of both players and compare the right hand position at the end of the swing path with the shoulder line, you will notice they are exactly the same. Had Federer hit his shot with his upper body bent, his right hand would have ended up higher than his head.... Thanks !

[@RCGache]

2 key things i think you missed. 1. To get power both Stan and Roger transition their weight fully onto their right foot just at the moment of contact. If you already have your weight on the right foot, you have lost a lot of power. 2. The follow through must rollover to get proper topspin and power. Just like getting power from an ATP forehand by prestretching the wrist and coming over the ball. This is how you power AND arc, like with Nadal on his forehand. Lift high and left angled, as you put it, loses that power and it much harder to hit hard with arc. Arc is desirable to reduce errors.

[@ManagerMia]

great tip on the sharpo finish for more control...

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thank you Jim

[@eelcobaak4987]

I applied some of these tips today in my semi finals and won 6-1, 6-1… mostly the remain in V-shape helped to hit the backhand more consistently. Normally they go out or in the net, but today they all went in. Not hard, but good enough. Thanks

[@2MinuteTennis]

So awesome to hear that! The players who try the V love it and notice a huge improvement in consistency. Thanks for letting me know and congrats on the win! Good luck in the finals. Keep me posted!

[@eelcobaak4987]

@@2MinuteTennis Keeping you posted: yesterday I won the finals 6-1, 6-0. Trying to focus on getting my left elbow up for prepping and closing racket before hitting. It is hard to remember the tips during play though. Any tips on that? how to remember to apply the adjustments during a tense match?

[@heydude9178]

Im back here just to thank you for the vid. It's game changer when I try to let my non-hitting hand to stay on the raqauet until it reaches the pocket. I was so poor on one handed backhand gorundstroke, but this vid make me to even be able to return a good frist serve.

[@camilovalencia6596]

Brilliant! Thank you for these tips!

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hey so glad you liked them Camilo

[@MrOsmanaujiram]

Hi Ryan! In another video you emphasized the “left V” finish on the follow through. I see Roger and Stan both pronating their wrists before ending in the “left V” position.

[@2MinuteTennis]

You are correct. My job here on KZbin isn’t to tel you what the pros do. It’s to help you play better tennis. Otherwise my videos become just entertainment and have no actual value. It would be like me teaching my young child how to write their name. Would I use sloppy hand writing? Or would I make the letters perfect? My wife will tell you my handwriting is awful. But when teaching my kids how to write I show them perfect penmanship. Federer and Stan can do whatever they want. Bob, sue, joe, and Barbara need all the help they can get. And the “V” helps that. That’s why I showed Dennis with the “V”.

[@DanesinTexas]

Great vid. Thanks for time invested in this 👌👍 we are missing both of them on the tour…hoping to see them back later this year 🤞🤞🤞

[@simon0yeung]

This is awesome thank you. I would like to add that Wawrinka is well known for his stronger hip and upper body rotation. I know that’s advanced power technique, but I wonder how an amateur player can at least incorporate a bit of such rotations.

[@butacaexplosiva333]

Roger is left eye dominant. that's why he backhand more frontally. Great video! Greetings from Argentina.

[@alejandrocampos4733]

Exelente análisis del revés a una mano. Muchas gracias por compartir tus conocimientos . lo mejor de todo es que el aprender no tiene límites , siempre estamos aprendiendo y da igual la edad o la experiencia que tengamos. Felicidades por Este video. Un saludo.

[@vladimirkitov35]

Ssuper useful, Ryan. Thanks a lot from a novice 1h BH-nder. You are as always, on fire, but this one really shows just a greater level of using your clear explanations & carefully selected footage and graphs. All thumbs up! Keep hitting it all in!

[@renatocosta3344]

Excellent tips! Congratulations about all the details you have explained!

[@gomriria2197]

Ryan you are maybe missing the fact that Federer like to disguise his shot o he use the same position to hit a top spin or slice backhamd

[@AlejandroBecerra1]

Thanks, from San Juan, Argentina

[@yuyifu]

Very detailed and insightful analysis! I also noticed Federer’s takeback racquet angle is “too” open. I suspect if he is trying to have the similar form as backhand slice, so he can hide his intention.

[@makgeoff]

Excellent video!!! Keep up the good work Ryan. Just love yr tips & channel.

[@Jlymansackhead]

While Stan’s may be a little easier to copy, Federer’s is better because to his opponent, the open face looks as if it could be a slice, and it can be because of the grip and extreme supination Federer has.

[@stwheel]

First-class instruction. Thanks.

[@ame7272]

The height has a factor here. That's why they look slightly different on the upper half of their body. However, if you look at the foot position and pivoting, Wawrinka's legs and position is what gives him so much power when he hit that perfect backhand of his! Both are perfect of course if can execute half the way they execute.

[@lukasz3tabis]

Love it. I have 1 handed backhand and i lol try your advices tommorow ;)

[@vivprice6828]

Little tip but very important make sure your thumb & index finger is pointing up when holding the racket with the non dominant hand at the ready position u will be surprised what a difference this makes on the forehand & very effective on the one handed backhand !coaches need to bring this into their coaching for their students 🎾🏆💪👍

[@imontufo]

Magnificent video!! I'll follow your advice to the letter!! Thanks a bunch!!

[@huangwee3465]

good analysis. well done

[@ripleypipe]

Great analysis Ryan, have a great year coach.

[@miguelbinha]

Going to try it for sure.

[@2MinuteTennis]

Let me know how it goes for you Miguel!

[@alainscemama6901]

Hello Ryan Thank you very much for the very clear demonstration for a good backhand I am very found of your videos step by step to understand the good way I want your advice for the grip What is better ? The grip in the middle of the panel one or on the continental side of this panel when you’re not a pro player Thank you for the answer

[@SerratLeandro]

thanks for the video

[@user-le2ng7qx3o]

It was so nice!! Thank you for video

[@sarnng]

Will give it a go. Makes sense. Thanks.

[@7robertdavies7]

Great stuff, Ryan. Particularly like points about non hitting hand holding on, and left side of the V on follow through. One other slight diff you didn't mention, though. Roger keeps his head down on follow through after ball contact. Stan lifts his head earlier even though he doesn't bring his body as high as Rog.

[@7robertdavies7]

Ryan : it's so easy to cop out and slice a backhand; I'm desperate to improve topspin b/h. Please comment on head position of Stan and Rog.

[@thiagodinizcoelho]

Great tipo! Thanks!

[@2MinuteTennis]

So glad you liked it!!

[@congzhi5093]

Thanks a lot Ryan

[@LiamApilado]

Hey Ryan! Should keeping the left hand on the racket until after the front pocket feel like your pushing the racket with the left arm? Or perhaps leading with the right arm and simply resting the left arm on the throat? On the double handed backhand, it feels like a mix of both pushing/guiding with the left arm and pulling with the right arm but I can't get the right feeling on the single hander? Thanks for the amazing analysis as always! Edit: Oh and im a right hander

[@2MinuteTennis]

Both hands equally. Left hand (for righties) assists 50%.

[@santi_vag_escaneos]

greatest ryan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@2MinuteTennis]

Thanks so much!! So kind!

[@rogeliobernal5263]

impressive. Thank you so much.

[@slicebackhand]

Another great video. I really like the tip "keep the non-hitting hand on the racket until it passes your pocket". I also commented on one of your previous videos where you describe this. You are killing it...keep it up!

[@gemleollc4755]

Stan backhand is technically more perfect than RF. But Stan’s backhand involves a more extended follow through whereas RF does not. RF stance is less side on than Stan’s. The difference is Stan’s backhand has more power and RF is able to react to the next shot quicker. Given the speed of the men’s game, clearly RF technique is what enabled him to be able to win so many tournaments and majors.

[@BriceBriceBabyy]

wow, excellent video! so helpful.

[@oliveroshea5765]

10/10. Take a bow - great video!!

[@2MinuteTennis]

Wow thank you so much!!!

[@squidjames7735]

Not sure if Federer ever finished a grand slam final with a BH ... but the beauty Stanimal hit against Nole on RG to clinch the win is a shot to behold forever.

[@peterpark3065]

Hi Ryan thank you very much!

[@shafi0911]

Amazing 👌👌 thank you

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hey I really appreciate that!!!

[@TOMASGUN4]

Great video analysis, I actually learned my one handed backhand in the 90s from a coach named Roger Paige, I'm happy to see every element with the exception of my grip being slightly more on panel 2 than panel 1. My backhand is my most natural and reliable shot. My only question is what panel do you think their thumbs are? Reason is that over years of playing, I developed a calloused thumb with layers of skin due the tremendous pressure in generating topspin on panel 7, when i stop playing for a extended periods, it has to re-callous to be able to generate consistent topspin... I hate having to go through that so maybe there is reason to adjust my grip?

[@GuiveChafai]

This is actually excellent

[@madbadtrad7746]

Wow, thank you. Nice find matching the videos pretty well imo. Regarding the grip: I thought that rather than the "pistol" style grip, that the "hammer" style is preferred, where the index knuckle and the other four, including the pinkle knuckle are on the same bevel point (panel 1 more or less)?

[@ketokonazol]

I saw many videos has stan has low follow through .i think that depend on many aspects like if want to hit flat or top spin, position of body either ball etc

[@goldencalf5144]

Great tip about keeping the non hitting hand on the racquet till it's in front of the pocket. I struggle to push the left arm back as a counterweight during the stroke. It's probably because I release the left hand too early from the racquet.

[@astonm.8173]

The video didn't say why you have to keep the non hitting hand so long on the racquet. Why is this, coach?

[@scubaboy8642]

Hi from London Great video Ryan, just on this video i have subscribed. Amazing amount of work and detail. I do video myself and just like this video when the ball comes straight to me i feel good with my stance and shot making. My problem is when chasing a ball out wide, i tend to lose control more than my forehand! Do you have any tips how to get the set up right when running the ball down? I look forward to viewing more of your videos. Cheers mate

[@heydude9178]

at least i got something today (lefthand at the pocket before let the racquet go), thank you

[@thierrygerber4965]

Hello There Thanks for this amazing video. Your advice about sharapolovs back hand i don t get it. Its just for more control? But the top spin you could produve with your handankle you loose. Right?

[@2MinuteTennis]

You can still produce a ton of spin finishing like Shapovalov AND gain a ton of control. Rec players tend to struggle with one hander control. Finishing the way I showed shapo finishing gives rec players a ton of control and helps them win a lot more.

[@Rick-si2fj]

It´s the first time I noticed that espicially Wawrinka´s racket is almost parallel to the backfence when he is coiling up/ loading, never thought it was so extreme

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Could you do something on more extreme backhand grips like Gustavo Kuerten, Justine Henin, or Gasquet?

[@2MinuteTennis]

I tend to not suggest that type of grip to people…especially on a KZbin video where I can’t control who watches. When making content I like to help the masses. And a basic eastern grip is what I suggest to players. Thanks!!!

[@bharathvembu]

It would be nice to compare wawrinka with guga kuerten and henin to evaluate semi western grip in single handed bachand. I wish those players backhands were very powerful and elegant.

[@bassman1290]

Thank you so much for the informative analysis. I had struggle for this shot for several beginning years, but I found out for myself that gripping at panel no.8 would help me to control the motion and also safer for my wrist. Is there any problem with my gripping or panel no.1 must be the way for this technique?

[@sscssc3817]

It is all in the difference in the wrist actions. RF models his backhand after his forehand, and SW models his forehand after his backhand.

[@didier7868]

You are a big fan ...but who is the better player in the history of tennis ? The guy on the left or the guy on the right ? Consider this: if the ball is lower you will have instinctively a more vertical move ... that is all. That is the same for sliced backhand... there is no one for all way of finishing depending on the height of the ball. In any case Swiss tennis is strong. Congratulations for all your videos so far.

[@georgemavrides3434]

The power is not just from grip, technique and mechanics. Stan carries much more power in his upper torso as an athlete. That being said, that comes at the expense of footwork and agility and of course, affectes injuries as you age.

[@bomberoflamenco]

But Stan does open his torso when he finishes the back? He does not stay sideways. Great video. Thanks.

[@charlesalan5999]

Helped me tweet a few things…..backhand sorted!! Now the forehand please……HELP!!!

[@2MinuteTennis]

Hey Charles… I’ve made over 400 forehand videos. Here’s the playlist. kzbin.info/aero/PLsDixueDZAteJuHVPnqBFPpSrFwmI2Jd3&si=mCOy5AobM8uMXA8e

[@MrSamara666]

So keep both hands on the racquet until contact

[@2MinuteTennis]

Almost. That’s the feeling you may have. Of course you’ll let go but it lets go just before.

[@francisng9536]

Roger's technique makes one falls in love with single backhand...so elegant....Roger peRFected it, awesome !!!

[@tcjensen1]

You missed something huge. Notice the front foot angle of Stan’s vs Roger’s. It allows more hip turn because it’s pointed more forward. It’s another point of power.

[@slashtrio]

I have watched a couple or these with fed and someone else and you seem to always Prefer the other player, which is surprising since most people seem to always view fed as having the most aesthetically appealing game of all time. He’s definitely the GOAT in that respect.

[@leisurefarm]

Could you do a comparison of the greatest female forehand vs greatest male forehand ie Graf vs Fed? Thanks

[@gregw9045]

Imagine how many slams Roger could have won if he had Stan's backhand

[@2MinuteTennis]

Or if he started moving in and taking it early like he has in the last 5 years. He’s dominated Nadal in their last 6 or 7 matches bc of this.

[@surajk6788]

I think there is a slight difference in the ball received by both of them, hence the footwork is different for both. Since Roger is receiving a slightly higher ball much deeper, and he takes the ball on the apex. Whereas Stan has a much lower ball that bounced inside the service line and he hits the ball on its way down, hence his footwork is more textbook than Rogers. But good analysis nonetheless.

[@robins7594]

Super helpful