Part 1 of 2 - 2012 PSA Peugeot 208 1.2 VTi Puretech Timing Belt Replacement - 108 308 2008 3008 🚗

[@CoatsandGaiters]

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[@FuelPoverty]

Just finished doing this job on my daughter's 208. Absolutely perfect step by step guide. It hd done 77k and the belt was showing sure signs of breaking up. Most difficult bit is getting the manifold off. Other than that it is a fairly straightforward job.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

That's superb news. So pleased my guide helped you mend your daughters car. That's what KZbin is all about to me.

[@aymaneinstro2]

@@CoatsandGaiters Thank you for your help

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@aymaneinstro2 Hope the video helped.

[@ianbarnes961]

So what is the correct oil?

[@FuelPoverty]

@@ianbarnes961 5w-30 fully synthetic, with regular (12 monthly/ 10k miles) changes, flushed each time as well. The sump is VERY small on this engine (3.5 litres) and they do burn oil as well, so regular checks and top ups between services.

[@streetrider2487]

Disassemble 1/2 the engine ....for a timing belt change. well done PSA!!!

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Not impressed then lol I don't think anyone has anything good to say about a timing belt in oil like a chain would be.

[@streetrider2487]

@@CoatsandGaiters WHY.........WHYYYY......and you know what.....I got a 308 1.2turbo puretech.......hahahahah ....shit. and I just found out about the damn timing belt today while watching your video...... Was wondering how come my dealer decided to just change the Timing belt at 50,000km [ 3yr ] near the end of the free warranty period.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@streetrider2487 I think if I owned one I would do 6 monthly oil changes with a quality fully synthetic and drive it like Granny would. It might last if the belts kept in clean and cool oil. I'd have thought dirty high temperature oil might be the biggest issue in it's lifespan. Just a guess though.

[@streetrider2487]

@@CoatsandGaiters Yup, I do religious 6 monthly oil changes w Fully Synthetic oil......But the irony of this engine is, Its a GDI engine single port , and if its driven like a grandma, the intake valves carbon up....... so its like, You gotta drive it spiritedly.....yet they decide to put a BELT , Inside the engine........... facepalm*

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@streetrider2487 Perhaps your only allowed to drive it fast once a month just to help clean the ports lol All a bit of a mess today isn't it.

[@chris22b555]

I've been off the tools for over 4 years now (I now work for the DVSA 🤫🤫) and was not looking forward in doing the wet belt on my wife's car. But after watching this video it makes it look pretty simple. but i agree it not a good idea soaking a belt in oil, the motor industry is changing at a rapid pace and I don't feel its for the better.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Think the internal combustion engine is coming to an end sadly and our hobbies will be too.

[@chris22b555]

​@CoatsandGaiters I hope not I got a 76 mk2 ford escort sat in the garage lol😂

[@theholyquran755]

The best and informative video I have ever seen. full of details, nice shooting and calmly presented

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for the compliment and hope it helps you.

[@RobertoDellatorre-n7n]

Very well done video I managed to replace timing belt following step by step only a little change for getting out the intake manifold i took off the engine braket and lowered the engine with a jack thank you so much never could have done the job( 8hrs)without your precious explanations keep on going Roberto from Rome Italy

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you Roberto. This was one of my early videos. I'm still going but it's a struggle to get high views.

[@fivedotsdave9723]

@ 15:30 where this person was struggling with the manifold, I took the engine mount off and moved the engine forwards and lower on a trolley jack, it makes life so much easier.....

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for your comment and advice.

[@camon_72]

Bravo, tranquillo e pacato nei movimenti, sei un King!

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you kindly Camon

[@plt8635]

Just a quick tip: You can remove the intake manifold easily by loosening the motor mount to let the engine drop slightly. This way, you can avoid disconnecting the battery or draining the coolant.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for that valuable and time saving advice.

[@boxingphysique]

do you have to change the water pump and antifreeze with this belt???

[@CoatsandGaiters]

It’s a long time ago but I don’t think so.

[@LosLelle]

Nope

[@Karl-dn9el]

You don't have to but it could be a good idea to do it anyhow. Also the drive belt for generator/air-conditioning.

[@Paul_VanGo]

The top of the bulkhead is fairly easy to remove, which gives you heaps of room to see and work. And, in that case, there is no need to drain the coolant, remove the battery, etc. Same goes for all the smaller cars where this engine is mounted in. C3, 208, even the C1 and 108.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Appreciate that information Paul, something I never considered. Certainly would look at that option if I do another. Regards Mark

[@jorgebranco1772]

@@CoatsandGaiters sorry. Can you tell what is the top of bulkhead?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Hi Jorge, I am unsure on the removal of that. I wonder if Paul that mentioned removing the bulkhead would be able to shed more light on its removal for you.

[@jorgebranco1772]

@@CoatsandGaiters Lets wait that Paul apears ;-)

[@steveman1982]

@@jorgebranco1772 Did a google search on "peugeot 208 bulkhead" and found some pieces for sale. Part number: 9676158680. Looks like its the part onto which the bottom edge of the blue magnetic scale is resting. Removing that would indeed provide a lot more space to work in.

[@bombardierii6296]

Did my wife's last week using this guide, did it quite easily over 2 days with plenty of breaks. Would be interested on more info regards getting more access to remove manifold via either dropping the engine or removing the bulkhead as it was a bit of a pig! One thing I found from another internet write-up was there was enough access to change the belt without removing the dephasers so I did it without removing them. Two less bolts to torque as the torque of the crankshaft bolt was terrifying!!

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Well done, always better if you can do jobs without undoing bolts. I'm sure I felt the bolts going soft on mine when I did it and stopped torqueing before they sheared. Really most critical bolts need replacing once disturbed.

[@bombardierii6296]

@@CoatsandGaiters Good point, would probably order a new bolt next time to be safe. Thanks for your very simple and informative guide, as I'd never changed a cambelt on any vehicle before, and probably wouldn't have attempted it without it!

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@bombardierii6296 I appreciate the feedback as my goal is to make video's that anyone can follow and hopefully get the job done without any mistakes.

[@gabysande]

Thanks for the video, will help a lot with a job coming in next week, cheers!

[@CoatsandGaiters]

That's great to hear.

[@Karl-dn9el]

I'm about to make a 4000 km trip with my 2016 1,2 puretech citroen c3 with 160 000 kilometers on the meter. Being a bit concerned even though 175000 km/5 years is the intervall. Talking to the citroen mechanic at the destination of my trip I'm told there's a tool which measures the width of the belt and if it hasn't swollen more than the tool can slip easily on it's ok. I'm also told that the turbo engine has more problems with the belt. Also he said that it's not very common that the belt brakes apart which is good since, also on the petrol engine, the valves will hit the piston in that case.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for that info Karl. That's interesting to know. I'd just drive in a sympathetic way and be generous with my oil changes giving it plenty and of good quality oil.

[@julianrojas7402]

Thank you for such video. Do you have a video replacing the oil pump to the same engine?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for saying so. Sadly I don’t have one of these cars to work on yet properly. I keep looking out for a cheap one but they are all out of my budget sadly.

[@christianloeko5834]

I left the upper part in the engine. So i dont have to drain the coolant, works fine!

[@itstheterranaut]

Great video, just what I was after- many thanks. The kit is ordered for my daughters. May I ask (if you know)- how are these engines for longevity? This one we have seems to use a bit of oil. thanks

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you. I think modern engines are 'disposable' so if I were you I'd change the oil every 5,000 miles using the Peugeot recommended oil. Do not thrash the engine and keep a very close eye on the dipstick as there is very little oil in it and if it goes down it could easily ruin the engine. Make sure the oil is bang on the max level. I keep trying to but one so I can make a later video on it but they are still expensive cars especially with the engine issues they can suffer.

[@Kalix1510]

Any way to check up on the belt without disassembling half the engine? Thanks for the video

[@CoatsandGaiters]

You can see it via the oil filler hole on top. A small torch will light it up nicely.

[@NicholasStreet]

Just bought one of these. Would be nice if there was an access panel to have a look at the belt without taking everything apart.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

You can shine a torch through the oil filler neck and see the belt.

[@SynthGrooves]

subscribed well documented video i have a quastion please I own the same car with same engine its a 2016 model with 40,000km is it time to replace it ? thanks very much

[@CoatsandGaiters]

I think they did improve the quality of the belts on later models and shortened the changing interval.

[@next0845]

Excellent comprehensive vid 👍

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you

[@Huseyin1422]

Thanks for the video. Do know which type of coolant to be used in this vehicle? I see blue or colorless (light brownish/dark yellow) coolant on different vehicles. The handbook says coolant is not to be replaced and doesnt give any specification.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Personally I'd ring Peugeot and ask how much coolant is and then just ask what type of coolant is that,, that way you know which to use. Some might have some mild abrasives in to clean things but that may damage delicate parts or seals, so I'd want to know exactly the type Peugeot recommends. Just say your having a new radiator fitted or something and that why your need to change the coolant.

[@jorgebranco1772]

Thanks for the video. Can you tell me what is the sensor you are holdind in hand at min 7.49? Thanks

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Hi Jorge , sadly I didn't have the workshop manual, only the timing belt documentation so I would be guessing at what that sensor is. Sorry I couldn't help more.

[@Peterkonto]

Is the Peugeot 108 allures timing belt connected to the water pump like some other cars..???

[@CoatsandGaiters]

peter konto it’s driven externally and not by the timing belt. So it’s not like the normal dry belt system normally used.

[@BRUNOBETTIN]

excellent video you can give me the brand and ref. of the tool to staple a 20:05 thanks in advance

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you fort the compliment. here is the link to the set. Hope this helps. amzn.to/3XFerv4

[@lemech]

Thanks for sharing. Any idea where to purchase a factory workshop manual?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

I think most are available on ebay on a CD, I'd just search 'Peugeot 1.2 VTi workshop manual' on ebay and see what comes up. Think Haynes have started to give up making manuals.

[@clintbalzan8926]

Very detailed video which makes it a fairly easy job. Is it safe to disconnect the battery to don’t loose any codes on this model?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you Clint. Sadly whenever the battery is disconnected most cars will loose something like the radio code for example. You can get a device to plug into the OBD socket to maintain enough power to the ECU's Here is a link to such an item..... amzn.to/3XgDaGf

[@elmereyao5911]

Just ask,did you use 8nm tourque for valve cover 8mm bolt? Thanks

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Yes its 8Nm in the correct sequence

[@greg4712]

Hi, did you replace the rocker cover gasket? Thanks

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Don’t think so. It was a while ago now. All in the videos what I did.

[@stephenryan1690]

I think I prefer my 207 1.4 cambelt so easy to do.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Don’t blame you lol

[@nadamasjamas1831]

please could you show the intake valve , i want to clean my calayser with liqui moly, i can not find the air , ''air intake hose''

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Really sorry but I no longer have access to the car. I was only doing the one job on it.

[@lennonpolo]

Hi mate, can you remember which coolant you used? Regards Steve

[@CoatsandGaiters]

I’d use whatever Peugeot recommend. I’d ring them and speak to service on what type they advise. I normally use Comma OAT red longlife personally but you might be best checking with Peugeot.

[@shanebrookes1878]

Hi how hard is 3008 timing chain? Cheers

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Sorry I only did this engine.

[@zaneclone]

Wasn't the A series 11/1300 engine just a delight lol... :D

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Bit easier to work on wasn't it.

[@zaneclone]

@@CoatsandGaiters Just a bit lol...

[@colinblythe3710]

FYI = you DO NOT have to take the camshaft sprockets off to get the belt out it can be wiggled past them - it saves a lot of hassle

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for that. I was just following the instructions I had at the time.

[@natanlieds4468]

I have the turbocharged version of the engine, do you think I'll struggle much more ?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Natan Lieds I really wouldn’t like to say as this one wasn’t turbocharged.

[@Locklord26]

@@CoatsandGaiters The turbo is harder more has to come off. in saying that removing the scuttle panel off should have given more space to remove the manifold.

[@mickeygoldmill3965]

What mileage interval should I get a new belt

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Peugeot states 112,500 miles or 10 years which ever comes first but if you see the start of Part 2 your see the condition of the belt on this car and its mileage was a lot lower.

[@mickeygoldmill3965]

Is that not the interval for diesel engines

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@mickeygoldmill3965 my information came from the service book included with the car and an motor factors database on the petrol model. Hope this helps

[@mickeygoldmill3965]

Coats and Gaiters thankyou

[@rem974tel]

@@mickeygoldmill3965 @Coats and Gaiters, just wanna say than the miles changes before to change it. Now it's 100 000 Kilometers (approx : 62,137 miles) or 6 years. PSA did a recall of this motor because of the timing belt.

[@wesleyvanvliet9400]

When you are struggling to take the manifold of, unbolt the left motor mount, and then u drop the engine a bit with a jack ofcourse. U will have enough space to take it out

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for that handy hint.

[@wesleyvanvliet9400]

@@CoatsandGaiters goodluck 🙋🏼‍♂️😌

[@stephenryan1690]

All that dismantling for that I wonder how much main dealer would charge, should have kitted out with chain.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

It’s all about the search for that extra mpg. In theory a belt in oil has less friction so saves fuel. Think it costs the owner dearly instead.

[@kenwarriner69]

Ford economy boost same design is £1100

[@LoupyLeRoux]

If you drop the engine mount, that manifold slides out 👀

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you

[@lennonpolo]

Hi matey, do you know if these engines have a PCV Valve? And if so, where is it? Regards.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Think so. Is it the round disc on the right hand side of the engine cover part.

[@lennonpolo]

@@CoatsandGaiters If it is, it seems to be the most expensive PVC valve there is! @£40 plus!

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@lennonpolo do you know it’s failed ?

[@lennonpolo]

@@CoatsandGaiters No, as you said before that they use a lot of oil and l was researching why this could happen. I would have replaced it if was less than a tenner, but I'll try and clean it if l don't have to buy one at 40 quid!

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@lennonpolo I think the issue is they burn a bit of oil anyway but having so little oil in the sump it can become a disaster very quickly if the oil drops by even a small amount. Very little oil and a lot of hard work it has to do. Peugeot stacked the odds against the oil a tad. It has to keep the engine lubricated and cool it with so little to start with.

[@londo0]

They don't have timing chains?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

No they are belts that live in the hot dirty engine oil. Its all about EU emissions so everything must be about maximum mpg and low internal resistance. But I think the customer is the one that may pay the price for all this.

[@londo0]

@@CoatsandGaiters would you know much about 207s with 1.6 vti engine, non-turbo? I know they had chain issues, but would post 2010 models had those issues resolved?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@londo0 Is that the same engine that was used in the mini's as I heard there was an issue with the tensioner failing due to the oil needing to be changed more often than the manual stated. The oil way in the tensioner would clog with sooted oil and then the chain would slap. They called it the 'Death Rattle'. But I think if owners changed oil more often and used a high quality oil this may not happen.

[@i.marinica9771]

Hi, i tried today to change the belt following your steps. However when i replaced the tensioner pulley and thight to right torque 20nm , with 2 markings lining up. After i manually made a a bit of rotation of the engine with a wrench, that tensioner pulley marking went out of line( its just clicked from position back up). The belt still remained tensioned. Its that normal, or should stay in line both merkings. Thanks in advance

[@CoatsandGaiters]

As I recall they should have stayed in alignment. I'd probably retention again to see if it stays or goes out again.

[@BennyVolvo]

It is fairly common to overtension these when u torque the crankshaft pulley as it pivots a little, but just loosen the tensioner a little put it in the lines and torque again

[@lennonpolo]

I've just found out that I have to replace all that @25:49 just to replace the PVC Valve! At a cost of £256 plus VAT, without labour! You have replace the whole head.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Cars are a real joke aren’t they. Just money pits.

[@tawaynewynter2794]

Hello am mr wynter try to get bottom off engine for 208 2012 in Jamaica

[@CoatsandGaiters]

I think the sump is held on with 13 screws.

[@dannyvan5792]

i always disconnect the battery befor working

[@klitklatten4522]

Battery does not need to come out. if u loosen Right engine mount and lower all the way, u can get it past. work on them daily and never taken battery out for the manifold.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for the info, I was just going by the instruction sheet at the time.

[@klitklatten4522]

@@CoatsandGaiters read that in the other comments, just takes some time of the job by not doing that step since you dont need it

[@MegaAlexanderSmith]

Автопроизводители считают что "Современный автопром должен приносить боль механикам".

[@CoatsandGaiters]

"Automakers believe that "The modern auto industry should be painful for mechanics."" Thank you for your comment and does appear that way.

[@reine_gulle1047]

The bolt in 24:00 for what is that bolt? I have broke the contact on it. Can you help me please, i don't know, what now is the problem, that's not the first time of the change from the timing belt for me on a 1.2 vti, it's the second time now, i had this problem not at the first time. My Dephaser is damaged and now i must to change the timing belt after 25000km again.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Are you referring to the metal object in the blue tray? as that's a long reach socket.

[@reine_gulle1047]

@@CoatsandGaiters yes i mean the long reach socket. Thank you for your answer.

[@reine_gulle1047]

@@CoatsandGaiters i have lost my Citroen Service Box and now, i, can't find the part number.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@reine_gulle1047 which part number were you after and for what part?

[@reine_gulle1047]

@@CoatsandGaiters The earth bolt, the grounding to the cable is broken.

[@robertspringett7208]

if its same as 207 panel on bulkhead near wiper arms comes off loads more room

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you

[@HyprMotion]

How much would it cost to change a timing belt ?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

I’d guess around £400

[@QAZ2453]

There no need to drain the coolant or remove the battery , you can just lower the engine mount and it'll come straight out

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for this information. Cheers

[@mickeygoldmill3965]

Hi I’m sorry I haven’t watched the whole video because I don’t understand cars but I took my car to a local garage and they said they couldn’t do my timing belt because they didn’t have the right equipment as they need special tools for the job is that true do you need special equipment?they said I would need to get it done at a Peugeot dealer I called Peugeot and they quoted me £950.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for the comment. The tools are in the links in the video description and are £50?ish I’d have thought if I can do it most people should be able to. Maybe it’s the diagnostic equipment they are talking about. Perhaps your car has other issues that may require a Peugeot diagnosis and they don’t have that equipment. I dont either.

[@mickeygoldmill3965]

@@CoatsandGaiters thankyou for replying my car has no issues it’s done 62,000 so I thought I’d get the timing belt replaced for peace of mind I took it too the garage and they said it would cost a fortune for the equipment needed for the job so they wouldn’t do it.I think maybe they hadn’t done one before and just didn’t want to do it.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@mickeygoldmill3965 you could ask them to watch my video and see if it sways them into doing it.

[@keparikvideo]

Hello from Russia. Thank you for the video. Cognitively. Be careful with the Jack. Use the stand under the car.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

keparikvideo Hi from the UK and thank you

[@rubenrorivera]

Nice accent! Where part of UK are you from?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you. Originally from Hampshire and Dorset areas.

[@niceboy60]

77K Is not bad 🤷considering the car was 6 Years old I mean would have probably reach 80,000 miles with a bit of Luck

[@1zzjoker]

km for change?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Sorry about that, the service schedule says 112,500 miles or 10 years. Not sure on km as I use miles in the UK.

[@jorgebranco1772]

@@CoatsandGaiters i have seen writen 80.000 km and 180.000 km. 180.000 km is near 112.000 miles

[@nickayivor8432]

👍

[@tomekklimpel6864]

You dont have to drain coolant if you take motor lower about 15cm you can take out manifold.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for that info.

[@KayneAlanBooth]

Surely it would of been easier to remove the wipers and scuttle panel for easier manifold removal

[@CoatsandGaiters]

I think you could be quite right as I have heard this mentioned before.

[@KayneAlanBooth]

@@CoatsandGaiters either way awesome video well done 👍

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@KayneAlanBooth Thank you. Hopefully I've improved a bit since making that one.

[@KayneAlanBooth]

I can comfirm removing the wipers and scuttle panel makes no difference, neither does dropping the engine, however if you remove the water pipe on the right hand side it comes straight out

[@CoatsandGaiters]

@@KayneAlanBooth Brilliant information. Thank you for sharing that.

[@nicolaspelaccia5919]

C'est pas juste ne pas déposer la batterie et le duret boitier sortie , d'abord il faut qu'on dépose le support moteur . C'est tout. Voilà

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for the comment Nicolas.

[@yasinesoumuer8208]

208

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Yasine Soumuer yes it was a small 2 door 208 with 1.2, 3 pot engine

[@adriansamuel829]

Don't forget rule No 1 safety first. Where's the axle stand. you can't have people watching this thinking its ok to lie under vehicles without a stand.

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Very true and ironically in all my later videos I go to great lengths to show jacking point's and locations for axle stands. This was the first car video I made at the time and was still very much learning how to included stuff into my videos. Another ironic thing is I received this comment the other day about one of my video's ...... "Absolutely beautiful job of showing this! One of the subtle things that really helped make this video stand out is showing the lift points clearly and showing the jack stand position in the background in the next scene.. yeah I can figure that stuff out, but seeing that savese a lot of time and paranoia!"

[@dannyvan5792]

the car , ingine to by

[@lennonpolo]

Hi matey, I just found this video on the 108 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJfUiahnpt-ooJY have a look at the minute mark, he takes the engine mount out to pull the engine forward to take the manifold off! Do you think this would be a better option?

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Probably not a bad idea to give more clearance. I think with these new cars you do what you have to to just mend them the best you can.

[@jean-pierreetheve6016]

Vous faites beaucoup trop travaux en plus la batterie les durites sa n'a rien a voir pur enlever la pipe d addition retirer tout simplement le support moteur et descendre ou monter le moteur à l'aide d un cric une bonne demie.heure de gagner

[@CoatsandGaiters]

Thank you for the heads up.

[@Porchanho-v3l]

Saghduru

[@sergioalvarez.g5215]

Auto super malo y los repuestos muy caro

[@CoatsandGaiters]

I think the engines performed well when all was ok, just a shame about the belts failing.

[@raymonsenex7112]

PSA Peugeot 208 1.2 VTi Puretech 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟

[@TheSnubbis]

dont buy a citroen ever 2 yres warenti and the break

[@CoatsandGaiters]

I think most cars after 2008 are problematic compared to to previous years. I always stick with pre 2008 cars. I had one 2010 Mini and that turned out to be a disaster.