Cockpit Voice Recorder - Delta Airlines Flight 1141 Crash

[@eaglepilot899]

Kind of ironic they talk about a crash and they end up crashing minutes later

[@lilqubez4168]

eaglepilot899 seconds

[@jeffsellark5421]

@@lilqubez4168 years

[@dx1450]

Sort of ironic, but their conversation was partially to blame for causing the crash. They were too busy BS'ing and not following the preflight checklist and making sure the aircraft was in takeoff configuration.

[@psneves]

Situational awareness compromised. In real life that happens to much.

[@cali9460]

Supposed to keep a sterile cockpit

[@Johnny-lr5jt]

If they had paid attention to the flaps instead of flapping' their jaws this wouldn't have happened.

[@shane-irish]

Says a 🤡

[@doyoulikedags3534]

@@shane-irish says the NTSB you mean.

[@shane-irish]

@@doyoulikedags3534 nope a 🤡

[@petersokol1603]

Yep…a clown who has never flown a large passenger jet.

[@JustAGuyWithABardockPFP]

@@shane-irishur the 🤡

[@sardanaphalus]

Those screams at the end make this the most chilling CVR I've heard so far.

[@neptune8thplanet]

yea i know

[@PIEKART2001]

Try western Airlines flight 2605. Ooosh

[@wolfofwacker4578]

There are several scary ones including the DHL and Russian plane colliding in mid air and all you hear is wind whipping around the broken up planes. The Japan Airlines crash is haunting too where you hear the captain yell ‘powah powah’ right before it crashes.

[@santivargasf]

@@wolfofwacker4578 "power!" And then "This is the end"

[@MaryandMocha]

'Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes"- Buck Murdock.

[@Arkiasis]

0:13 "You know that Continental that crashed in Denver?" Jeez that's creepy.

[@Watermel0n]

wow

[@GLITCHyt]

@H h flight 1404 was over 20 years later

[@axl1632]

@NOAA Weather radio its actually Flight 1713 which happens 1 year before of this one.

[@youareanidio1]

@@axl1632 So that happened in 1987

[@Kiep16]

And ironically continental 1713 was also stalled during takeoff

[@terryaltstadt5100]

Pilots not focused on task at hand, inexcusable behavior especially at takeoff

[@GoodSchitt]

I SAW THIS HAPPEN!! I was a kid and my mom and i were driving through the airport...i remember seeing the plane on fire and a bunch of fire trucks and police driving to the field...it happened during take off...crazy

[@neptune8thplanet]

you saw me. and i saw you.

[@shane-irish]

Righttttttttttttttttttt

[@Chatta-Ortega]

It happened when they were attempting to land. Nice try.

[@GoodSchitt]

@@shane-irish so hard to believe right? Dickhead twat.

[@kaitheguy3634]

@@Chatta-Ortega Wrong it was during take off

[@Azzaelea]

The "dating habits of our flight attendants so we can get it on the recorder incase we crash" comment is IRONY at its finest. Especially when they go on to say it'll give their wives and children something interesting to listen to. I'll bet! Hope they both got fired for their "professional" conduct onboard that ended up costing lives.

[@SgtPickledic]

They all died.. So in a way, they were fired, literally..

[@antman5474]

94 survivors including the flight deck crew. 14 fatalities including 2 cabin crew.

[@pikapikacool]

@@SgtPickledic read the description dude..

[@timprescott4634]

@@SgtPickledic Dumbass.

[@lookyloo1000]

Tim Prescot 🤣😅😂🤣😅😂

[@TheJapanChannelDcom]

Too busy flirting and didnt do their preflight checks properly. In that configeration the aircraft would never have lifted off. Should have kept their minds out of their pants.

[@sarge6870]

Um...maybe you should look up the word "flirt". If a person is flirting, the LAST thing they talk about is their wife and kids!!

[@mhern57]

@@sarge6870 Not necessarily. The guy could be putting it out there that he's just interested in fooling around. A lot of girls are sometimes interested in the same thing. Especially the ones that are married.

[@solnative706]

This guy did the ultimate jinx to everyone’s work day.

[@sunnyblueskies6505]

@@sarge6870 - In a lot of cases of infidelity, neither party cares whether the other is attached. They’re just looking to hook up. You’d be surprised at how many know the spouses and couldn’t care less. They actively do all they can to protect the affair for a lot of reasons.

[@sunnyblueskies6505]

LOL - I just realized the initial comment was left 11 YEARS AGO! How time flies (get it? Sadly, this is the best of my sense of humor lol).

[@KartKing4ever]

the screaming at the end sends shivers down my spine

[@Brandon3060]

This crash happened due to the pilots fucking around and not taking their jobs seriously. They misconfigured the flaps and the airplane was not able to achieve lift. It flew approximately 22 seconds and crashed. These clowns on the recording survived and were promptly fired. IMO they should be in prison, people died.

[@orangejoe204]

+Brandon Mezei They ignored the standard pre-takeoff checklist in favor of shooting the shit with each other (and the stewardesses) and thus simply forgot to put the fucking flaps down before trying to take off. Unbelievably stupid, basic preventable mistake.

[@BillClay88]

Idiots..I agree, manslaughter min, especially the way you described it, bcoz too much pilot error to put em all in jail or not?

[@marcellobiazoto]

the flight attendant should not be inside the cockpit at this hour, irresponsible and guilty of the accident and the deaths as well.

[@omegaman1409]

That's what happens when one becomes complacent in a job. They disregard procedure and start talking bull.

[@evs251]

@@marcellobiazoto A flight attendant might not know the sterile cockpit rule as well as the pilots should. It's on pilots to keep the cockpit sterile

[@sasinakuhinja]

The last fiew second in this vid was horrible... Scary sounds and screems... dam'n

[@sunnyblueskies6505]

The crew made it out though. That guy screaming is the pilot and he was the last one to step off the plane.

[@ananthakrishnanj]

Are you trying to reply a 10 yr old comment!??

[@40yrsago]

@@ananthakrishnanj are you trying to reply to a comment that replied to a 10 year old comment?

[@PizzaBoyHero]

@@40yrsago Are you trying to reply to a comment that replied to a comment that replied to a 10 year old comment?

[@40yrsago]

@@PizzaBoyHero are you trying to reply to a comment that replied to a comment that replied to a comment that replied to a ten year old comment?

[@ancestron]

Even though most people survived this crash thank God, this is easily the most horrifying CVR tape I've heard.

[@koolkatkylex8629]

Dude, the screaming at the ending really gave me nightmares and sends chills down my spine!

[@73rmin47or]

Don't be so sissy

[@neptune8thplanet]

yea try not to be scared of my pilot's screams

[@gettothepoint2707]

Actually he survived

[@knockitofff]

Moral of the story: pay the fuck attention to your job.

[@timmy841212]

Surprised there was only 14 deaths when you hear them screaming and the pictures afterwards. Could've been much worse but it's still bad cause those pilots screwed around and got 14 people killed. 🙄😒

[@iansmith5174]

The flight attendant you can hear talking to the pilots on the tape is Dixie Dean; the most senior flight attendant for Delta Air Lines at the time. She was killed in the crash.

[@timmy841212]

@@iansmith5174 Wow

[@neptune8thplanet]

my pilots forgot the freakin flaps

[@TigerDriver66]

So weird to listen to these CVRs before cockpit management. This is basically unfathomable today thankfully. Airline industry has really come such a long way.

[@KOHF34]

A year after the crash, Captain Larry Davis, Co-Pilot Carey W. Kirkland, Jr., were all fired from Delta Airlines. So was the flight engineer, Steven Judd. However, Judd was reinstated after it was determined by the NTSB he wasn't involved in the conversations not-related to the aircraft's operation and after he filed suit against Delta for wrongful termination (both sides agreed to reinstate Judd and the suit would be dropped).

[@JoeyFlyBoy]

So Judd got his job back at Delta?

[@comercole1940]

wow that is crazy.

[@MrDLRu]

What about the woman they were talking to, did she make it?

[@KOHF34]

@@MrDLRu No. Flight attendant Dixie Dunn was killed in the crash.

[@speen9430]

@@JoeyFlyBoy he did

[@bmused55]

I once heard the CVR recording of the Western Airlines DC-10 that crashed in mexico. One of the pilots screamed in terror, far more haunting than this one. Especialy because you know they did not surive where as the chaps in the cockpit on Delta 1141 survived.

[@F_Tim1961]

1141 Several passengers said that they saw the Flaps WERE deployed . This was a trijet airliner . There is a very strong suspicion that the rear engine was never started , ie it was left dead for the taxi out to save fuel and then because of the lack of cockpit discipline it was not fired up in the time before take off clearance. Do a Ytube search on the flight number. Tim F

[@thisissparta789789]

And this crash is why they don’t release CVR tapes anymore in the US. Pilots got pissed that the potential last words of these three were about completely unprofessional topics. Nobody wanted their last words to be heard by millions, especially when it was something stupid like “dating habits.”

[@lovedefeatsus]

Sad to know that due to this crash we no longer have access to the CVR in the US. Fortunately that is not the case with other countries. It seems there's something to hide from the public.

[@km-vi3ww]

Te referis al acceso de las conversaciones en cabina??

[@UrbanOdyssey]

Definitely should be allowed to the publics ears. Keep in mind the FAA is a government organization meant FOR the people.

[@dariootero5579]

@@UrbanOdyssey The release of cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recordings to the public is a nuanced issue with several considerations: 1. *Privacy Concerns*: CVRs capture intimate moments and conversations in the cockpit, including personal discussions, which may not be relevant to the investigation. Releasing these recordings could violate the privacy of the flight crew and their families. 2. *Safety Culture*: Openly publishing CVRs might discourage crew members from speaking candidly or admitting errors, inhibiting a culture of safety and transparency within the aviation industry. 3. *Professional Judgement*: Investigators often listen to CVRs to understand the sequence of events and decision-making during critical situations. These details could be misunderstood or sensationalized by the public, leading to misinterpretations or unnecessary anxiety. 4. *Regulatory Compliance*: Many countries, including the US, have strict regulations on CVR access due to their sensitive nature. While transcripts are sometimes released, actual recordings are treated as confidential to protect sensitive information and maintain trust within the industry. While transparency is crucial, there are valid reasons why CVR recordings are typically kept confidential. Ensuring a balance between transparency, privacy, and safety considerations is essential in deciding what information should be made available to the public.

[@Krystamyth]

The govt has been taken over by megacorporations and the American People are all too willing to allow it.

[@ancestron]

no thats wrong. 1141 crashed because the pilot forgot to extend the flaps for takeoff, and the cockpit warning sytem failed. In the longer version of this you can hear the piot flirting with a flight attendant right before takeoff. This crash resulted in the "sterile cockpit rule"

[@UnknownChannel88889]

Pilots need to get off their high horse and pay attention. SO ANNOYING!!! How could you forget the stupid flaps. So cocky.. Then they are pulling fuses and crap so they don't have to hear the warning that they need! Pilots get so use to their job they don't even pay attention to anything anymore and let it go to their heads...

[@saucierdavid8109]

Seems you are very right! Source, Wikipedia: On September 26, 1989 the NTSB (National Safety Transportation Board) published the accident report.[1] Two causes were primarily blamed for the accident: (1) The crew had not ensured that the wing's flaps and slats were properly positioned for take-off, and (2) the plane's takeoff warning horn, designed to alert the crew if the engines are throttled to take-off power without the flaps and slats being correctly set, was not operating correctly.

[@tietie1424]

man that screaming sent a chill up my back.

[@mytoasteroven2402]

“We’re not gonna make it...” well _gee_ cap’n maybe you should’ve focused on the takeoff process instead of pissing around with your flight crew huh

[@bushrakhan1529]

My Toaster Oven the captain himself did not partake in the conversation between F/E Judd, F/O Kirkland and the Flight attendant. However, he failed to interrupt the conversation and therefore, forgot to extend the flaps and slats.

[@100Aces]

@@bushrakhan1529 wrong, the flight engineer did not participate in the conversation....and was fired but later reinstated!

[@dx1450]

Ironic how the pilots were talking about how the media would have a field day with their conversation about the FAs' dating habits on the CVR if they crashed. Which is exactly what caused the crash. To busy BS'ing and not following the preflight checklist and setting their flaps properly.

[@DisasterOnline]

Those screams remind me of the CVR of Western Airlines flight 2605, which was quite gutwrenching to listen to. There you could hear one of the pilots shouting something similar "Jesus Christ" then intense screaming till you hear the sound of impact.

[@timmy841212]

That one was more tragic (and frightening). Those pilots were dealing with rain and a densely fogged up airport so they couldn't see shit.

[@hmack1234]

This is the crash that prompted the installation of what is called the "takeoff warning system". It's a sad thing that sometimes it takes events such as this to make the aviation community aware of system problems..

[@atenco01]

No they did not set the flaps correctly as they were distracted with the attendants and did not do a standard check list.... The one in the Micro-burst was another crash in Dallas 4 years earlier of another DELTA L-1011. That one flew into a microburst, and the sky blew it to the ground.

[@Slaterator]

That´s right. The recording available on the internet and therefore here, has been cutted. Either They are talking about "leaving something for our wives and children to listen to" much earlier in the flight, because the crash does not follow direct after the conversation, or it is another flight. It is -for me- the most disturbing record available, because the screams at the end are really gruesome. RIP to the souls lost.

[@gskessingerable]

They were talking about recording a crash and then ended up crashing? Damn!!

[@ancestron]

Right out of Wikipedia-- "the plane's takeoff warning horn, designed to alert the crew if the engines are throttled to take-off power without the flaps and slats being correctly set, was not operating correctly."

[@saucierdavid8109]

They were too busy talking. Source, Wikipedia: On September 26, 1989 the NTSB (National Safety Transportation Board) published the accident report.[1] Two causes were primarily blamed for the accident: (1) The crew had not ensured that the wing's flaps and slats were properly positioned for take-off, and (2) the plane's takeoff warning horn, designed to alert the crew if the engines are throttled to take-off power without the flaps and slats being correctly set, was not operating correctly.

[@ancestron]

"god dammit, the fuckin flaps!" would have been a good quote at the end.

[@harrydowall5642]

the screams in cvr recordings are scary

[@moacyrjetpilot]

When cleared for take off, doing the FAST items check would safe their lives.... It works for all planes! Flaps? Proper position, Annunciators? Cleared both sides; Speed Brakes? Retracted; Trimms: Set for take off!

[@shane-irish]

Ok sherlock

[@odsca]

that scream at the end was terrifying and disturbing... :'[

[@MrTrueFinn]

Aren't the unnecessary conversations banned in the cockpit during the take-off (sterile cockpit)?

[@ADAMSIXTIES]

Delta began that rule based on this crash.

[@55....]

@@ADAMSIXTIES 7 years later the question was answered

[@magnusforsman9150]

bru he , The answer had been quicker using the pony-express.....

[@maph2759]

Magnus Forsman lol

[@mqbitsko25]

Following the release of this CVR tape the pilot's union raised such a stink that the NTSB has severely restricted the release of subsequent crash-related CVRs. Typical union move.

[@coughtyouin4klol840]

should I be watching this before my plane ride?

[@WholeWideWorld]

"We gotta leave something for our wives and children to listen to"

[@dx1450]

Sadly it was how they were talking about which flight attendants they wanted to screw.

[@benmortimore9699]

Less flirting, more flying.. rip

[@Sodiumreactor]

your post is so convoluted i have no idea what you said, what your trying to say, or what you may say in the future.

[@STUMPgrinder57]

You are referring to the crash in Iowa..These guys deserve no medals.

[@tiadaid]

@MrBkey No, this is real, Delta Air Flight 1411 in 1988. The recording's been widely distributed by the media. Besides, there are other CVR recordings out in the open on youtube, and I believe there's an album by the German band Rammstein that includes the last 40 seconds of Japan Airlines flight 123, the worst air crash involving a single airplane back in 1985.

[@slothinaspacesuit]

It sounds like the last couple of seconds are filled with the screams of the passengers.

[@clof2001]

How ironic. That's why you don't talk about crashing while you're trying to takeoff an airplane

[@nicelittlecar]

This take is edited. I've heard the whole version in flight training at an airline. It is the passengers screaming at the end as the airplane is breaking up. Tires do not squeel on jets, because all jets have anti-lock brakes. A lot of people died on this crash.

[@iansmith5174]

Plane crashes happen for remarkably simple reasons. In this case the pilots simply forgot to lower the flaps for takeoff because they got distracted by this conversation. LAPA flight 3142; a Boeing 737, crashed on takeoff from Buenos Aires in 1999 for the exact same reason. Amazing how history repeats itself!

[@skeleguns10oooooo10]

And a Delta Connection flight in 2006

[@iansmith5174]

@@skeleguns10oooooo10 That crash happened because the pilots tried to take off on the wrong runway.

[@clof2001]

How ironic. That's why you don't talk about crashing while you're trying to land an airplane

[@GigsTaggart]

They have clean cockpit rules now. No chatter is allowed during critical parts of the flight like takeoff and landing. No flight attendants in the cockpit either. This crash was part of the reason for those rules.

[@Goproflying]

There are a lot of comments about serile cockpits. I know a Monarch training captain who states that they stick religiously to their proceedure, but according to a BA training captain I know, BA are not so strict about it. I believe his words were "Not so sterile in my experience, nobody really pays attention to it. If you can't talk and fly a plane, you shouldn't be flying a plane"

[@dawnboden1537]

It's disheartening to read so many insensitive comments. Like they are commenting on a video game rather than real lives lost. 😢

[@ArcolaBridge]

it's the screach of the tires hitting the tarmack under brakes. Not a scream

[@hallerd]

It crashed. The tires never touched the tarmac after take off.

[@oxfordpictionary]

Hm, well, if you're referring to a female human being, I'm sure there are quite a few plane crashes that resulted in a horrible loss of life in which both men and women screamed right before they were torn apart or burned to death. So if you mean to imply that anyone who screams right before death is a bitch, I only wish you could have taken their place and been as tough and stoic as I'm sure you are.

[@rushcoilpdx]

This is definitely from Delta 1141, as described in the title.

[@Eudokimos]

Yes, there are passengers voices also - last scream

[@horacewild]

this is not fake...it was on the news right after it happened. Editors spliced the end with the dating comments , it didn't happen right as they were talking about crashing...this really happened.

[@seanstampley9739]

That was horrible! Haunting...

[@xjcrossx]

**There was an engine failure also on takeoff..you can here the warning sound at 0:33 and then the pilot announce it at 0:36..And these pilots were not talking about the dating habits of their stuartesses..they were refering to a crash in Denver that was the same situation actually in which they were killed after not setting their flaps, while talking about one of their flight attendants.

[@citizenfitz]

The co-pilot forgot to set the flaps. The pilot applied power too late and didn't lower the nose; and the warning horn that should have sounded because the flaps weren't extended, wasn't working.

[@cats_know_everything_about_you]

That's only partially true. There are many circumstances where a controller gives an ambiguous or erroneous instruction, but the flight crew had all the information available to them to detect the error. The PIC is called that for a reason: he/she has ultimate responsibility for the safety of the aircraft, and has absolute authority to disregard ATC if a safety-of-flight issue is suspected.

[@nickelandimed]

don't you love the irony? pilots on the colgan 3407 were also talking casually about a near-crash because of the ice buildup (which was one reason for the colgan crash). kind of like the curse of macbeth.

[@MCP2002]

@FreedomFighterReturn Are you referring ot the co-pilot in this crash? The co-pilot on this aircraft was a guy in his mid-30's, IIRC. Luckily, most of the people on this aircraft survived. Prayers for the families of those who did not.

[@barolfe]

Above is the first part of the CVR transcript I tried to compile for those of you that can't hear. The rest of the transcript is during take off and can be found all over the internet. For whatever reason, the first part which I just compiled (although not perfect) does not seem to be anywhere on the internet

[@SandpiperN121PP]

Yes they did not follow proper proceedure and have the door closed to the cockpit while doing the standard routine. Having anybody on the flight deck besides the flight crew for preflight and pre-take off is strictly forbidden and this is why they forgot to set the flaps.

[@GeorgeJansen]

is the phoenix az newschopper crash tape on here? i think it happened in '08...now that has the sound of a death scream....WOW

[@davidnavarro4821]

This is a compressed version of the full recording if I’m not mistaken.

[@jbjumpback]

I believe two of the three pilots were terminated. The engineer said he had no memory of the accident, (which is possible). He was not fired because of that defense.

[@n310ea]

Since the Captain survived the pilot-error accident, was he punished by law for causing death to passengers?

[@Suzanne-t5i]

The flight attendant's voice heard on the CVR is the voice of the purser flight attendant Mary O'Neill, NOT Dixie Dunn. Dixie was supposed to be the purser for that flight, but she and Mary had changed places and work duties earlier that morning prior to the flight. Mary survived because she was in the front of the plane when it crashed. Dixie was in the rear of the plane with the other flight attendant who perished.

[@babygirl91580]

what chilled me was the people screaming in the background

[@moonscoasttocoast]

@coolvids1862 Not quite, but ironically, they were discussing the cockpit voice recording of another plane crash that had happened.

[@Maxfactor72b]

Remember the Northwest Airlines Flight 255... 08/16/1987, it crashed for the same reason - improper flats/slats configuration. 156 was killed, only one - 4 year girl Cecelia Cichan survived.

[@KOHF34]

I'm glad to hear these pilots were fired. So was the flight engineer, but he and an attorney appealed the decision and he was re-instated.

[@FaFaFohie]

Without proper extension of the flaps, the wings would not be generating sufficient lift for the aircraft to become airborne. "and they didnt catch it when there speed wasnt coming up fast enough?" If the crew believed that the flaps were properly configured, then they would have believed their airspeed to be sufficient.

[@Clintwoodz]

yes scream @ end is very chilling to teh bone

[@Clintwoodz]

I don't recall commenting this 11 years ago. KZbin recommends me this video to remind me that I'm getting old.

[@youBrakeIHonk]

@@Clintwoodz hehe

[@orangie84]

question was that where the audio recording stopped or did it continue to record the entire crash until the plane stopped moving.. You hear screams then begin to hear the scrapes of metal and then nothing.. just curious as I would think the plane would have to be completely destroyed in to pieces before the electrical systems failed (engines / batteries) before the recorder stopped. Sounds like that was just the initial hit

[@jstrahan2]

Not true. Two cabin crew members (out of four) and twelve of the 101 passengers on board lost their lives: a total of 14 deaths

[@dcs002]

Why is there a gap in this recording? It goes from the F/O calling 80 kts directly to him saying [en]gine failure. All the interesting stuff happens during that gap.

[@W4t3rf1r3]

@nzAVIATORnz First off, his errors are what caused the crash in the first place. He forgot to set the flaps/slats to takeoff. His actions COST 14 lives!

[@zero1fifty8]

The pilots and most of the passengers survived

[@RIP_Sloucher]

What's crazy is how common it was to pull that damn thing. Pretty scary knowing that your life is in someones hands who is up front fiddling with things just to keep the cockpit a little quieter. Kinda like pulling the seatbelt warning from your car and then having a bad accident.

[@all4golf]

@mlex169 What are you talking about? They went through a microburst coming out of a t-storm. A gust of wind hits the earth's surface directing it everyway. They were hit buy it resulting in increased airspeed for them so they pulled back the throttle and lowered the nose. When they went through the center they were pushed down by the wind and out the other end now they had a tail wind probably over 100mph. Now they had to add an extreme amount of power to keep air flowing over the wings.

[@Tampaslice]

Flight school 101 stuff. Never talk about flight attendants or the cockpit voice recorder before a flight. The "death screams" are what make the recordings so interesting. Some pilots scream like girls, some just curse, and some tell the love of their life they're sorry. The personality of the pilot shows when death is imminent.

[@icemachine79]

This copy probably came from the media. They edited it for broadcast to illustrate the failure of this crew to observe the sterile cockpit rule which in turn led to the pilots forgetting to do the taxi checklist (which includes configuring the flaps & slats) resulting in the crash. The leak of this recording provoked such an huge outcry by the pilots' associations and victims' families that the release of CVR tapes to the public became illegal. That's why we only get partial transcripts now.

[@InnSewerAnts]

It's in fact misinterpretation of a failure. The cause was incorrect flaps and stats settings for takeoff. It's not completely pilot error (the cause is though) but a take off config warning should have gone off but didn't also issues with Delta's training played a role.

[@ancestron]

He clearly says, "we've got en engine failure! We're not gonna make it!" Dont know mucha bout planes but perhaps the engine failure was caused by the improper takeoff configuration of the flaps.

[@100Aces]

No the flaps being retracted caused the plane to have no aerodynamic LIFT! Engines were fine!

[@everythinguwanted]

The more you know about aviation, the more you realize that these scenarios play out over and over in one form or another. Proper CRM and sterile cockpit below 10,000 feet are relatively recent additions to the accident prevention arsenal. I don't think this particular tape is all that informative, if you think of it from the perspective of the people who perished, and the Captain who did'nt.

[@nicelittlecar]

Pilot-error caused the deaths passengers on this flight. NTSB statistics: from 1984 to 2007, the number of pilot-caused crashes/deaths per airline: United: 0 crashes, 0 deaths. Continental: 1 crash 28 deaths. USAir: 3 crashes, 161 deaths. Northwest: 2 crashes, 164 deaths. Delta: 3 crashes, 198 deaths. American: 5 crashes, 505 deaths. These statistics reflect pilot-error, or pilot-caused crashes, and can be derived from NTSB accident reports.

[@ronny4ever123]

that last bit will give menightmares.

[@InnSewerAnts]

urm, if you aren't getting off the ground because of your flaps and slats configuration but think you have engine failure, that is a misinterpretation. I'm just reciting what the ntsb report says. As I prefer the best source and the least speculation.

[@kasteman1]

People's perception is distorted between individual deaths vs. a large number at once. Maybe the numbers are inaccurate at times, but that has little effect on the extremely disproportionate ratio. The 04/27/12 NTSB report on US commercial airline deaths for the past 10 years added up to approximately 2 deaths per 100 million. There were 0 reported deaths for '07, '08, '10, '11. By these numbers, you're about 50 times more likely to get struck by lightning than die in a airliner crash.

[@Handiman544]

I worry about missed inspections. A delayed inspection killed 85 people on Alaska Airlines a while ago. Faulty jack screw failed due to lack of lubricant. Threads on the screw just splintered and the tail fin broke loose and the plane nose-dived into the Atlantic killing all aboard. Investigation found that this accident could have been avoided if maintenance had been done at the proper interval. They put off inspection to save money. Money before safety..that's the airlines' motto.

[@fsricy286]

The crash to end all -crashes!- *CVR recordings going public in America

[@tiluriso]

This is edited. First part is the non-essential chatter, regarding events preceding the November 15th, 1987 Continental Flight 1713 that crashed right after take-off due to icing on the wing surfaces. This is not the full Recording of Delta's 1141 the take off roll - I believe it's edited to just after Vr is achieved, and rotation begins - the sound of the plane's tail hitting the runway is heard, i believe due to the improper setting of flaps and slats, and consequent insufficient lift provided, the plane rotated at a higher than normal AOA, causing the tail strike on the runway surface. Is that correct?

[@navymmw]

not just fired but have their liscense revoked and maybe even jail time! Forgetting to set Flaps is a BIG no no.

[@diapermanful]

@GPMSharpCommand That was a Northwest plane out of DTW back in the 80's. Only survivor was a little girl who was a lap child and was speculated to have been saved by being a lap child and being cusioned by her parent.

[@suspendmeassholes]

How ironic that they are talking about crashes in the beginning.