Cigarettes, Slots, and Other Things that Aren't Addictive

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After the collapse of the tobacco industry, casinos found themselves under scrutiny for engineering addiction. This is the story of how casinos learned to mislead the public using industry funded research on gambling addiction. The problem of industry funded research isn't unique to casinos however, it's widespread and devastating to serious academic inquiry.
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Shownotes:
(1) Thank You For Smoking www.imdb.com/title/tt0427944/
(2) Clarence Cook Little from the CTR • Interview: Clarence Co...
(3) Slot Machines - The Big Gamble • Slot Machines: The Big...
(4) Understanding Joy: The Devastation of a Gambling Addiction • Understanding Joy: The...
(5) Slot Machines: Addiction By Design • Slot Machines: Addicti...
(6) NCRG Funding Disclosure www.ncrg.org/about-ncrg/fundin...
(7) NCRG, What is a Gambling Disorder • What is a Gambling Dis...
(8) Salon - Gambling With Science www.salon.com/2008/06/16/gamb...
(9) Addiction By Design - Natasha Dow Shull www.amazon.com/Addiction-Desi...
(10) HMS Funding Tied to Gambling www.thecrimson.com/article/20...
(11) Exxon Misled the Public www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/cl...
(12) How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/we...
(13) Coca-Cola Funds Scientists Who Shift Blame well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/0...
(14) Contesting the Science of Smoking www.theatlantic.com/politics/...
(15) GAMBLING WITH AMERICA’S HEALTH - psmag.com/social-justice/las-...
(16) How Purdue Used Misleading Charts to Hide OxyContin's Addictive Power www.cbsnews.com/news/how-purd...
(17) Managing Conflicts of Interest www.nap.edu/read/1821/chapter/7
(18) Impact of the NCRG • Impact of the NCRG
(19) Tobacco Influence www.industrydocumentslibrary....
(20) Coffin Nails (1957) • Coffin Nails (1957)
Please note: there is a lot of nuance in the discussion of "what to do with conflicts of interest, it doesn't end at "prohibition or disclose" but for the sake of brevity I had to present the most fundamental approaches. For example, there are different types of conflicts of interest that differ in severity. At worst, you have tobacco researching lung cancer, but a less severe example might be someone has a consulting job for Coca-Cola while separately researching obesity's link to sugar. These are not the same level of problematic and should be treated differently. I'm for prohibition in cases like "big tobacco researching lung cancer" mostly because we've tried the whole mitigate-research-influence and it doesn't seem to work. Here's a study demonstrating that industry funded research directly affects the results: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2...
"Studies funded by organizations that are involved in exposing the environment to pollutants or their workers to hazardous materials are substantially less likely to observe an association that these exposures have or increase the risk for negative health consequences"

[@CoffeeBreaks]

I wanted to point something out that I cut from the script for brevity but should’ve left in. There are a few different models of addiction. One is the disease model, sort of the genetic predisposition argument which looks at the individual susceptiblility to addiction. The second is the public health model, which looks at substance availability and what it does to humans to examine addiction. Both are needed to form a complete picture of addiction. So when I disagree with the NCRG’s “findings” it’s not because genetics don’t matter, it’s because they present it as the only cause of the problem. They completely dismiss the public health aspect (see their claim that “proximity to casinos doesn’t increase gambling addiction” which is totally against the modern scientific understanding, which is that proximity DOES increase addiction). This is the problem. They aren’t entirely inaccurate, but they are being misleading, by design. Finally I wanted to address the prohibition comment. I share many of your reservations and agree that it would create problems. This is why I put opinion alert, because I’m not sure it would solve more than it would hurt. That being said, the other model of peer review shares its own set of major problems which I discussed in this video. we’ve been trying that method for decades “just need better peer review man”. I wanted to suggest that at some point you have to ask, at what level of conflict of interest;, do you fundamentally taint the results? At what point does the damage done by bad research that slips by, outweigh the bads a of prohibition. And You’re free to say, never, we should never stop anyone from funding any research, but i hope You share my belief that isn’t a black and white issue. Both methods of managing COIs have intractable problems and how we handle them matters a great deal. Thanks for indulging this qualification and thanks for watching!

[@zacharysearight932]

This is a fairly important point that needed to have been pointed out in the video and pursued the concept with this context. Without it, this claim in the comment section isn’t consistent with your point-a counter to the addiction, disease argument. This in turn feels too broad, since any recovery from vice is predicated on the idea that addiction is a disease. Not just Alcoholics Anonymous, but every single other sect(Co De, Al Anon, SLAA etc.).

[@CoffeeBreaks]

The reason recovery (AA) is predicated on the disease model is because the public health model is of no use to the individual addict after you're addicted. It is only a good model when building societies, we can reduce the # of addicts by reducing exposure or the addictive-ness of substances. I wasn't ever disagreeing with the disease model as a whole, it's just highly misleading. of *course* some people will smoke more than others because of genetics, but to suggest that heavy smoking is determined only by the "nervous type" of the person, and not acknowledging cigarette's role in the addiction is absurd. I apologize if it came off as a rejection of the addiction model, I meant to imply that they focus on it as a sole cause, which is purposefully misleading.

[@AlessandroRodriguez]

Kudos for point that out

[@dolorlux4612]

Really should mention leaded gasoline too.

[@EMG_Iman]

Coffee Break think you should’ve done some research in epigenetic’s

[@nathanl5070]

Cigarettes aren't addictive my grandma has been smoking for decades and hasn't gotten addicted

[@kekerosberg1654]

@jackthegamer haHAA

[@itszombies7256]

@jackthegamer r/wooosh

[@paulgoogol2652]

I have never smoked cigarettes because they never got me addicted.

[@itszombies7256]

@@therealvsauce8310 No he didn't?

[@itszombies7256]

@@therealvsauce8310 Go back to school

[@sofaslapper8715]

Paying for scientific research that benefits the company is like editing a Wikipedia page to win an argument.

[@jooiey7761]

Austen Buzianne exactly lol

[@bito2041]

You've just given me an idea...

[@sofaslapper8715]

@@bito2041 Oh shit...

[@ilyakanatov3475]

No, that's not similar things. Paying for a research in any direction is good. The bad thing is hide or change some information about the research. For example I paid for a research that shows the 100% of cigarets smokers has a perfect health. That's good: I made a research everybody can refer to. The bad thing _IF_ I hide the fact that all respondends was 18 y.o. That's what you calling edit a wiki page, but not the research itself.

[@CoryMck]

@@ilyakanatov3475 that implies that research doesn't effect public opinion regardless of the methodology. The intent of a study can not be ignored

[@elifuller4862]

KZbin is addictive.

[@khanch.6807]

KZbin is aware of that. Go to settings and u'll see options like reminders to take a break and scheduled notifications.

[@drewberry8945]

True, Every day I load it up for the first time. The recommended section knows what I want to see and I open 3 or 4 tabs.

[@Sam-vi2ho]

And Coffee Break is banking on controversial opinion drama money, easier than stealing ice cream from a casino

[@yukinagato7531]

No it isn't This comment was sponsored by the KZbin institute of research

[@lekam7625]

@@khanch.6807 A remainder doesn't make anything, the ideal should be that they block you out of the app 😣

[@bloodofthelamb13]

"Not everybody who uses crack cocaine becomes addicted." Howard J. Shaffer, PhD ...this guy's a psychiatrist. He has actually prescribed people medication. Fantastic.

[@tagtag123]

Sigmund Freud would agree with him

[@am9868]

I mean.. he’s not lying..

[@PeterRAmice]

The fact that he gets paid to change his public opinion on a subject does not mean he gives the wrong prescribtions to patients.

[@adgp8945]

I can't speak for "most" but I have a friend who smoked crack once and has 100% not done it since. He still uses marijuana regularly but apparently one dose of crack wasn't enough

[@alexjohansen1337]

@@adgp8945 I know a guy who smokes meth once every 6 months or so with his wife. Get a baby sitter for the kids then light up

[@kingoliever1]

lol when your defense of gambling is that coke is also not that bad

[@mindsauce3]

To be fair, what he said was factually correct. Risk of developing cocaine dependence within 2 years of first use is 5-6%. That is extremely low. I think we see cocaine as a highly addictive and dangerous substance partly due to our bias, we only notice the most hardcore addicts (who are a minority), while the majority of functional cocaine users continue to live normal lives.

[@NateOBaconCrisp]

except he was talking about crack, which is the most addictive substance in the world and a large portion of ppl who only try it once have extremely strong urges to redose

[@mindsauce3]

@@NateOBaconCrisp Nope. Again, the same effect is at play here. You don't notice the crack users who aren't compete "crack heads". I'm *not* saying crack is good. All I'm saying is: it's not nearly as addictive as people think. "Reinarman et al. wrote that the nature of crack addiction depends on the social context in which it is used and the psychological characteristics of users, pointing out that many heavy crack users can go for days or weeks without using the drugs." Check this paper out, if you have the time: Reinarman, Craig; Waldorf, Dan; Murphy, Sheigla B.; Levine, Harry G. (1997). "The Contingent Call of the Pipe: Bingeing and Addiction Among Heavy Cocaine Smokers"

[@mindsauce3]

@@NateOBaconCrisp Also, it could be true that "crack is the most addictive substance in the world" (though I doubt it). But in itself, that statement means nothing. Those are just words. Give me numbers. What percentage of first time crack users become addicts? In what time frame? What is the median frequency and intensity of substance usage associated with crack dependence?

[@ORGAniZMs]

i'm not an addict I have successfully quit crack many times.

[@scotchee]

Sponsored by Audible? No wonder you don't talk about the addictive nature of audiobooks!

[@decimal1156]

Hehehe, You never know bro. In the future perhaps we will be talking about how audio books have led to decreased literary skills, and the reliance on others reading for us manipulates how we interpret said book, (tone of voice etc.)

[@bobbyo1760]

@@decimal1156 Remember we said that about books and paper...

[@tschichpich]

When books were new, they knew that they will ruin our children, that they couldn't tell what real and fake anymore that's why we invented the TV to save our children of the evil books

[@decimal1156]

Hehe, and then video games were created so that people had some kind of input to continually remind them that the events happening before them are not fate, that we have choice over our lives. Damn we're good at this.

[@Beastmode1234567able]

Brought to you by book gang

[@charliecrome207]

The motives behind these campaigns are cartoonishly evil. I don't understand how any rational humans would knowingly deny the harmful qualities of a product in the name of profit.

[@fetchstixRHD]

If you can admit the harmful qualities of something, and those harmful qualities are not minor, then how can you promote said product with any genuine conviction and be able to sleep at night? You’d probably be surprised how many people lie to/deceive themselves to justify things they know aren’t great...

[@dude7266]

fetchstix™ “How can you promote said product with said conviction and be able to sleep at night?” You can, Go read about Anti-Social personality disorders, Not everyone feels guilt

[@fetchstixRHD]

@@dude7266: Shush you, you know what I meant(!) But seriously, you are right, I didn't get my point across the best. You wouldn't say in public "my product is in no way good for you" and then also say "you should still buy my product, despite it being not in your interests to do so". I took the "rational" part to imply that morality would come with said rationality

[@edwardo19231]

Self-deception is the key. Tell enough lies to yourself and you'll tell the same lies you tell yourself to other people.

[@dandelion2284]

Moneta

[@matejchys]

I quit smoking my performance in gym has increased. A lot

[@riotpoliceTRELL]

You don’t say

[@Cheezy_Bunz]

Oh, on God ?

[@mikespinelli299]

Always remember, breakfast is the most important meal of the day! *this study was paid for by Kellogg’s and general mills

[@oanaalexia]

Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot

[@jokey95123]

Fasting is the way to go ! 1 meal per day. Healthier , more energy etc

[@Dover939]

@@jokey95123 that's not fasting and it's completely incorrect

[@Niom_Music]

Mike Spinelli At least it would be correct

[@jamesfratner3190]

@@Dover939 I think he was referring to Intermittent Fasting when he was talking about 1 meal per day.

[@bdbgh]

If anything, the NCRG logo is genius

[@CoffeeBreaks]

Yeah. national center of responsible *gaming.* What a way to frame it.

[@maxonmendel5757]

Agreed

[@moshadj]

Also it's slot design

[@libra_v3]

@@moshadj that's the point lol

[@BankruptGreek]

@Young Thinker - iuvenis animo I think many addicts really hate their situation, I ve yet to meet someone years into addiction that still enjoys their addiction. Except videos games, but I don't think I ve really met someone who is seriously addicted to games yet.

[@Benzinilinguine]

ꦸ >is named coffee break >video on addiction hmmmmmmmmmm

[@emanatingf]

@Benzodiazepine Word

[@xxgimpl0rdxx22]

Title "not addictive"

[@mather468]

@The Compiler It causes dependance though, if you drink 2 or more cups every day consistently, try going 3 days without driking coffe. You'll feel like hell.

[@baker8981]

@The Compiler Coffee is addictive. I see it first-hand everyday, my mom has tried putting coffee down for years and can't stop drinking it for more than a few days at a time. It has caffeine in it which makes it addictive.

[@akam9919]

not really a negative addiction though. It only makes you better.

[@GAIUSJAKE]

Of course someone who is depressed has a high likelihood of developing a gambling addiction.

[@DaPot03]

Consumers perspective and drugs

[@sebastianstark3224]

shouldnt it be the other way round? people who gamble a lot are a lot more likely to get depressed. on the other hand a lot of depressed people dont gamble

[@GAIUSJAKE]

@@sebastianstark3224 alot of people who gamble excessively often are predisposed to it.

[@GAIUSJAKE]

@@sebastianstark3224 but i can definitely see that too.

[@aseth9541]

The content quality grows with every video! Congrats on the sponsorship!

[@fazijslive]

"Too much of anything can make you an addict" - Nice And Smooth

[@unexplainedmysteries9540]

--- "Certain people just can't take it" --- Just like drugs or alcohol. You don't keep serving the customer if they've had too much. Some people do get addicted and will spend all their money on booze. Should we not help these people instead of making more money off them knowing its a problem? But how can Casino's police how much money patrons can spend?

[@dwightdodd3734]

I would feel better if the tobacco industry got the bill for ALL cancer treatments involved with smokers.........

[@Overclocked360]

“Crack cocaine is not that addictive” LMFAO what

[@houghwhite411]

Drink that spit

[@exantiuse497]

Ikr. That guy wasn't joking, he was being serious when he said that. Well, he was lying and he knew that, but he wanted the viewers to think he was telling the truth. Greed makes people do ridiculous stuff

[@Minisynapse]

Yeah it's not that addictive. See Carl Hart's research on crack cocaine and methamphetamine use.

[@Dover939]

@Designer Fetish www.cbc.ca/news/health/crack-cocaine-how-addictive-is-it-1.2432281 don't bullshit

[@MrCmon113]

@Dover Did you even read that article? "Hart said that the percentage of people that become addicted to crack is lower than most think." So yes: Cocaine or really any drug is MUCH less addictive than most people think.

[@internallyscreaming2788]

It’s equivalent to a youtuber’s apology: “I’m sorry it’s your fault”

[@NibblyBitz]

This actually pisses me off because not too long ago I wanted to share this video with my friend and couldn't find it for the life of me on youtube search. I only found it now by watching NerdCity's video and am so grateful I found the video again and now putting it in my favourites.

[@Iheartdgd]

I started smoking when I was 11 years old, was smoking a pack a day by 16, quit last year and had absolutely ZERO issues with it. Haven’t smoked a single cigarette since. But hey, that’s just me.

[@TheB0sss]

Good on you man, wish it was that easy for me lol

[@fred-youtube]

@@TheB0sss What do you feel and what are you trying to solve when you smoke a cigarette?

[@nickbloom6861]

Just poured a cup of coffee before seeing this notification on my phone. Perfect timing on this lovely Sunday morning here in Idaho, cheers everyone.

[@123cheezecakehd]

Nick Bloom I love that new Gorillaz song; Idaho

[@Petar_star]

Well, have a nice day! Greetings from Sunday Night side of the planet :D

[@nickbloom6861]

@@123cheezecakehd I had no idea that song existed until I saw your comment and I love Gorillaz. Thank you so much for showing me that I went and listen to it after reading your comment and boy am I glad you recommended it.

[@abyssabyssabyss]

Democrats are cunts I was hoping someone would comment this lol, caffeine can be just as addictive honestly. Not that it’s as bad as say nicotine or gambling, but people can act very similarly.

[@Navzzzz]

Coffee addiction is totally worth it IMO. Caffeine is like free dopamine every morning

[@SweetLilWren]

I really love this Channel and love to support it so much that even though I can't tune in mentally to the video I'm going to let it play in the background right now because it just uploaded and I want to give it the numbers and then I'm going to watch it again later, actually watch it

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

Aaaaaakshually... Crack cocaine has addiction rate of 10-20%.

[@patrickconnolly1809]

I just found your channel a couple days ago and I wanted to say your content is amazing. I have been watching all your old videos and they’re some of the most entertaining and thoughtful ones I’ve seen on KZbin. I hope your channel takes off- you deserve it. I know that you have at least one new subscriber.

[@heyitsritzy7629]

I didn’t know I was watching Vsauce

[@CoffeeBreaks]

I'm an anonymous man in the shadow of other information KZbinrs. I have resigned myself to this fate.

[@jackhenry1899]

More like Mark Rober. That royalty free music.

[@UdoADHD]

H E Y V S A U C E H E R E

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@Kurt Barryman sauce primarily tackles physics, a branch of science effectively impossible to make laws on. It's easy to not have a political argument on how much a shadow weighs or how the earth actually moves in space, it's a lot harder (ethically, I hope) to say that deliberately misleading and misframed corporate research isn't an issue. Yes it's political but damnit some things should be political or should we listen to Exxon-mobil on climate change?

[@teknoindica4362]

or is it?

[@matsmith4794]

I’ve been watching your vids for a while and I just want to say they obviously have a lot of work out into them and they are interesting to watch

[@lazarious5424]

I'm not addicted to smoking I just like to smoke and can stop when ever I want..... Said a colleague.... I just raised an eyebrow and walked away......

[@keenanostrowercha6669]

Congrats on the sponsorship, that is awesome! big things coming for this channel.

[@suprithAnCom]

Actually, I'm addicted to KZbin and Facebook more than anything else

[@suprithAnCom]

@DF AMO I did delete Facebook app long ago but now I use it from browser 😢. That's how addicting it is.

[@AASDsdoajdsp52]

if you follow the video logic . lets prohibited everything .

[@bestefarendin]

Delete your facebook. Keep watching stuff like this on KZbin, but in moderation.

[@theworldoverheavan560]

@@suprithAnCom lol

[@suprithAnCom]

@Fabian Lohrmann it would but nice if mobile browsers had extensions, cuz I used FB on mobile browser . But now i have left fb,by unlikeing all pages and snoozing all groups Only KZbin is addictive for me now

[@JohnDoe-bm5lp]

the first video of your that I watched was also about cigs :") (Marlboro and advertising)

[@KFCjanitor740]

Same

[@nickdegreef3711]

Same

[@j4u947]

Me as well!

[@user-zu1ix3yq2w]

huahuahuahua huehuehuehue yes, cigs cause people to smile.... Fkd up world

[@firecrackerguy9224]

Yep me too

[@thehairyclevage1645]

This is SO well constructed mate. points are very clearly made, and arguments are thorough, well thought out, and well researched. You not only earned a Sub. but make me feel I'm at a loss for not discovering your channel before stumbling upon this vid. Nice moves.

[@devkartiksurana5984]

I really like your style of narration along with giving citations for us to refer to for our understanding. Keep it up.

[@jkaygoulet]

As an addict .... I believe ANYTHING can be addictive. It is true that some people just can't take it. Eating, not eating, sex, exercise, sugar, any hobby.... you can get addicted to it all if you have that personality. Problems arise when you overdo anything. The problem with tobacco was that the companies wouldn't say their product was killing people. Slots are as addictive as everything and anything else. (Edit - I wanted to add that I am in recovery and 3 years sober.)

[@elias_xp95]

I agree. Addiction is more of a spending problem. People have disposable money aka access to goodies. People spend it on sugar, fast food, gambling, smoking, drugs, sex, extreme sports These are dopamine hits. Addiction is personal. Anyone can get addicted to anything if they have an addictive personality.

[@myandroid6047]

not "ANYTHING" can be addictive. please know the meaning of "Addiction", it looks like you have some kind of real addiction.

[@UnbreakableRukawa]

What happens to addiction is, companies exploit that momentary weakness and make it easier to do it till it becomes a terrible lifestyle. Humans are biologically built to like certain things - sugar, fat, dopamine. Gambling/drug/food companies prey on that.

[@stopmotiondude221]

@@myandroid6047 Could you tell us what you think addiction means and how he is using the term improperly?

[@grimjudgment6527]

@@myandroid6047 Addiction: the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity. Synonyms: Craving, dependency, habit, problem, etc; He's not using addiction wrong. You're just confusing the word addiction to exclusively mean a physiological addiction rather than a psychological addiction. Physiological addictions have withdrawal symptoms (Withdrawals can even kill people) and psychological addictions don't. Quite literally anything can be addictive, it's a well known fact. Just because something isn't likely to be something you're addicted to doesn't mean there isn't a chance.

[@lorekeeper685]

"He can disprove gravity"

[@alexkaiser118]

Dude you're one of the best channels on KZbin. So refreshing.

[@sen7859]

i love how you put videos together keep up the good work

[@broodjekaas820]

And gaming? I hear that 10 times a day from my parents..

[@grimaa]

Gaming Addiction is definitely a thing though and I'm glad its being recognized

[@ezrat4248]

I'm 22 and still live with my dad I play my switch from when I wake up till I fall asleep yeah I have a job it's only part time though

[@NHDOreBros]

The real shit is social media, I get shit for playing an hour a day on weekdays but nothing for being on Instagram almost 24/7.

[@OvPdTurtle]

@Thadson What is it's just like 10 hours for a day if you only play games like every month. I rarely play games but when I do, I usually play through them really fast. It has to be a repeating thing but that doesn't mean that it's bad.

[@sexyjamal7774]

+Thadson even if you do want to play more than that, it doesn't necessarily mean it's an addiction. When it becomes compulsive and you feel like you can't do without it has definitely become an addiction.

[@amirhosseinetemad3094]

I agree with all points outside of prohibiton, prohibiting something often only leads to black market and underground markets that cant be controlled or monitored, also people will fear and hide therefore having stats or helping them will be hard.

[@davidx.1504]

so you think that companies with addictive products will create an underground market for untrusted scientific studies, and create demand for them when everyone in the scientific community has been warned that they're unreliable? doesn't seem likely to me, I don't think the scientific community is as dumb as the general public, they aren't likely to turn to such unreliable research

[@amirhosseinetemad3094]

@@davidx.1504 I didnt completely understand what u said (my english is not perfect) but I mean weed, cocaiene and other drugs are not legal but as you see people didnt stop taking them, same will happen for anything else

[@davidx.1504]

@@amirhosseinetemad3094 drugs, legal and illegal, are a form of escape for people who don't like an aspect of their lives. unreliable research doesn't provide an escape, and if it's labeled as unreliable, no one will read it since it doesn't provide a form of escape from people's lives

[@anthonybowman3423]

@@amirhosseinetemad3094 Prohibition as a term is only used in this video , to my knowledge, to describe scientific journals completely disqualifying papers that have monetary conflicts of interest.

[@niravcodes]

You misunderstood. He means that these researches which use contrived methodologies and false assumptions to disprove something for which there is an immense amount of scientific evidence and consensus should be rejected by the publishers. Not actual prohibition of slot machines, because that would be severely ineffective.

[@aishashaikh5699]

AMAZING VIDEO THANKYOU FOR INCLUDING ALL THE CLIPS IN THIS

[@devonsherouse9885]

This was like really well made. Well done sir. Well done.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

I agree with the videos point on the whole. However, the casino's research you presented isn't entirely wrong. Some people are ABSOLUTELY predisposed to addiction. This was proven before the topic even emerged. Studies show that people lower in conscientiousness and higher in neuroticism are more likely to be addicts in general, and these traits are generally absolute in people. Casinos may be jumping in front of the argument to make it sound pretty, but from what you described, they're not entirely wrong. But like I said, I do agree that the potential for corruption being extremely high is entirely dangerous and worth being said.

[@CoffeeBreaks]

Correct. Predisposition is a factor. But so is the machine itself. A slot machine is designed to be addictive (see B F Skinner's research into operant conditioning), and the fact that casino's consistently push the addiction's cause onto the user isn't "entirely wrong" as you say, but it *is* misleading. This is the new danger of industry funded research, science that deliberately misleads, which is an evolution from the old days when tobacco would deny completely. Coca-Cola recently did something similar by funding a researcher who says that we aren't sure that soft drinks cause obesity, instead it is caused by lack of exercise. Is he wrong? No. Exercise would help... But the research is intentionally misleading from obesity being caused from products like Coca-Cola. Linked here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5Sam3mOhNSkhsU& Hope that makes sense. :)

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

Coffee Break Yea I absolutely agree with the sentiment that any research done by a group of casinos will inherently be biased in their favor. I just felt like it was worth mentioning that there is as much truth as there is lies in their argument directly. I got the sense that was point being addressed, but wasn't sure if you disagreed with their argument entirely (specifically the part partially blaming predisposition). Hope this didn't come off as critical in anyway though lol, loved the video, opened my eyes to something I never considered. Keep it up👍🏽

[@maxonmendel5757]

You’ve been watching Jordan Peterson

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

Maxon Mendel You caught me 😂 It wasn't until I learned about the big five in a Uni course, my interest was piqued. I made sure to check around for peer reviewed studies before just taking his word on specifically this comment though

[@condimentking3395]

Sparka Even if your a god human that’s immune to addiction, it doesn’t mean everyone is. Just as some are predisposed to addiction, some are the opposite. It doesn’t change the science or the argument. Also, climate change is more about climate destabilization than it getting steadily warmer or colder. Plus, we have risen 2 degrees in a couple decades or something

[@JayBigDadyCy]

Great vid, man. The fat/ sugar one you brought up briefly is an interesting topic as well. Both in excess are bad and then you get people who don't realize when we say "sugar" we mean "refined sugar". As someone who's been sober over 12 years AND struggled with casino gambling at one point, I really appreciate these videos. I believe that, yes, some people are predisposed to be addicts (I'm one of those people) and then there's people who say got in an accident and had to take opioids for pain for a period of time with zero prior addictive behavior. Only to find that cannot stop taking them. We still know too little and while I got sober through AA, I realize that may not be enough for some people or even work for others. Any way that works is good and the more options there are the better. But we need better, more honest information and less coddling and bullshit.

[@icelandicbastard1]

Love this channel!

[@Equinox2021]

Great work man 🤙

[@joaosousa4946]

I KNOW CIGARETTES ARE ADDICTIVE BC THIS VIDEO MADE ME WANNA SMOKE A CIGARETTE

[@nichitagodonoaga196]

It's all in your brain.

[@oHYJINXo]

Better have a smoke before ya go :D

[@goshohgosh4568]

@@oHYJINXo thats what got me too!

[@umutpiynar9309]

@@goshohgosh4568 haha that's right I am going to light one.

[@xAlexZifko]

pathetic junkie. although i would like to hit the casino soon

[@bulldozer8950]

“Approximately 1% of all Americans are addicted” Is that 1% of people who are allowed to gamble or one percent of all people. Cuz buddy about 1/3 of the population can’t even gamble legally

[@johannasamaniego4386]

I love your channel keep the content coming👍🏼

[@nabo1]

your channel is one of the best

[@rubenyoranpc]

3:10 wow wait am I watching Mark Rober all of the sudden?!

[@HystericalHuntress]

Addiction is nuanced. For example, I'm a recovering opiate addict and at one point I had a brief affair with MDMA addiction too. But, things such as gambling and shopping addicitons are something I personally cannot fathom. I went to a Casino once, placed approx $50 or so on a roulette spin and won. I immediately left with my 'winnings' because I was 'up'. I was later asked why I did this and I told them the same thing, only for them to say "Well the main reason we (the people who took me at the time) come is to have fun. As long as you walk in with a limit and don't lose yourself, you'll be fine. The problem comes when you just keep going back". My response? "This isn't fun. It's stressful." I didn't lose any money, I had won money. Yet, the possibility I could lose money made the idea of ANY sort of gambling stressful to me, something that my gut just screamed at me to avoid like the plague. A former drug addict who is tight on his money? What kind of unicorn am I you say? No kind, I didn't have the same thing happen when it was drugs. I would throw every dollar and cent I had, plus other things like stealing, all at my addiction. I didn't care, I just dug deeper into that hole day by day. Shopping is similar, I'm EXTREMELY tight with my money there as well and even when I've had periods of being more 'well off' than normal, I didn't spend any more than when I went to the stores.. I actually spent a bit less and got even more savings conscious. Addiction isn't simple. It isn't something you can hand wave away as 'oh they were just born with it' OR 'oh it's just their environment' because it's extremely nuanced and is more than likely caused by a mixture of several variables. This is the reason I've never liked the term 'addictive personality' because me and many other addicts seemed immune to certain addictions, like a 'normal' person would be by the claims of some people. Yet, other addictions, hit us like bricks. It's not simple, it never will be.. trying to explain it as such is disrespectful to the topic and anybody suffering from an addiction.

[@systemfailure1129]

It's all related to the dopamine feedback loop. It could just be that gambling didn't fill your brain with dopamine like it would someone who possibly believes they will win if they spend enough. They hit a small amount, get a hit of dopamine and chase the next one just like with opiates. I know this was 4 years ago but I thought I'd add it.

[@itssanti]

Wow, you really put time and effort on your productions, thank you

[@partidoliberal6028]

I just had a casino ad scrolling throughout the you utube main page

[@nkanyisoinnocentkhwane3752]

Are you developing film? is your white balance wrong or did you colour grade your room a red/orange hue?

[@Vocaloidict]

It's just incandescent lighting, man

[@vitopettito1689]

Looks like the computer screen in the background and the color of the lights fucked up the auto white balance and he didn't bother to fix it in post.

[@firozosman]

Intentional or not, the effect is '70s cool. Far out man!

[@SoundShunter72]

I would try the same so you'd have some goddamn quality sleep once. Sitting in a white, brightly lit room at late hours isn't a good idea.

[@Cobalt985]

"Everybody jokes about the white balance until the skin tones go magenta"

[@staplesinc.9111]

This might be epic im not sure im at the beginning of the video

[@CoffeeBreaks]

same, I'll let you know.

[@justviewing8387]

guys i watched it, and it was.

[@staplesinc.9111]

@@CoffeeBreaks ok, this is epic!

[@johnschilling8259]

i was thinking the same thing but i don't know yet

[@IWasWatching]

This just in, that was indeed epic.

[@i2cybeast]

Immaculate video as always

[@alksi1]

Yeah. We have this monopoly gambling company which organises lotto , internet gambling and has different slot machines everywhere in the country. You often see their ads in the television and their slogan is ``Play with patience``. Its so annoying to see them advertise their new slot machines and lottery and the big jakpots on tv, because one small slogan in the end of the ad justifies the cause.

[@Deedeedee137]

I agree with you about the problem with research with conflicts of interest in it's funding, but as a working scientist I think you've actually hit on a much larger problem with scientific publishing in general with the end of your video. Peer review is supposed to catch bad research that wasn't conducted with proper methodology or rigorous analysis. When it doesn't do that it objectively fails. And that failure isn't just in the fact that bunk studies funded by relevant parties of interest still get published; its in the fact that today there are scientific journals that you can just pay to have anything published in, and in the biases towards "impact factor" that many journals have in their selection process, and in the fact that peer reviewers aren't usually paid and often aren't given enough time to properly review the work in front of them. Scientific research and dissemination of scientific knowledge are both fantastic, and so are many journals, but there is too much of a profit motive for the people running a lot of scientific journals, and that can often lead to bunk studies getting published

[@antaresmaelstrom5365]

And on top of that there is fame and grants in new research. There usually isn't (or at least as much) in replication. Who actually intrinsically WANTS to do studies that are more or less only in service to other studies. If your replication shows the same results your study will go down as a footnote or worse as one of the 'disbelievers' by the public (granted public view isn't that much of an issue but I'd assume it would sting slightly regardless). If your study has differing results, oh boy are you going to be under fire from the well funded corporate interest groups. Better hope you haven't made a single typo in the entire document, lets not even start on anything more substantial.

[@MrRipple123]

You know what I would like to see? A meta-analysis study of the peer review systems ability to stop studies with paid-for bias from being published.

[@twohornedpuppet85]

Hmm what about Coffee addiction?

[@pillarshipempireemployee0142]

What about coffee break addiction?

[@blobfish2755]

it isnt bad for your health

[@cedriclucas3294]

@@colinhobbs7265 You can die from anything, coffe way more so than water though :I

[@Keithbarber]

Its amazing but over 25years after I quit smoking, still notice occasional cravings, but they quickly pass and I don't even desire to light up, its just a hangover from when I did smoke, but I've more than overcome the addiction

[@chregig7967]

I love how I got an ad for a casino app on this video.

[@albertcamus9338]

This is a tough problem, but research being able to be banned based on anything other than ethics brings to light a slippery slope which could lead to this being unjustly banned. While I agree that this is an issue I find it somewhat irresponsible to advocate for prohibition on research without providing insight as for how it could work. If you would rather not delve into an explanation of how it could work than it would be best in the future not to take a stance one way or the other but instead present yourself as neutral and provide information so that others can come to their own conclusions.

[@kisame_5331]

1:22 check out her eyebrows lmao

[@andilemhlanga5886]

WOW!!! Your channel is soo important

[@eternaldragonbro5699]

On a coffee break drinking coffee while watching coffee break

[@MichaelJayValueInvesting]

Cigarettes, then slots, now Fortnite.

[@jcd327]

Michael Jay - Value Investing mcFuck fortnite just because it's literally shoved down every available orifice by advertisers and media. That moment when you advertise your shit so much I can't stand to think about using it (I'm looking at you brilliant skillshare and audible)

[@DJerryz]

No joke, but people need to wake up on how addicting the "Battlepass" system is.

[@klutz3955]

aka targeting children to steal from mummy's credit card

[@jonathanwick1539]

In India, it's PUBG now.

[@RenetaScian]

This seems relevant to the matter of Loot Boxes in our video games as well, due to the Gambling element.

[@eryalmario5299]

But lootboxes ain't gambling bc u get something no matter what unlike gambling whew u get something or lose it

[@Andyandrwew144]

I love this video! Maybe try and reference some data from their experiments that made them get to those conclusions.

[@dodopoopinpoop]

I love this channel.

[@NessieAndrew]

People still smoke?

[@Tasorius]

"people"

[@paveln.4917]

It's really up to where you live in and also what kind of person you are. I'm from Bulgaria and I was introduced to cigarettes by older friends when I was just 14, I'm 22 now and been smoking for 8 years. I can't say that I feel anything different, most likely, because I've already adopted cigarettes into my "daily diet". I've tried quitting multiple times, hadn't smoked for a full month once, but then I started noticing I started feeling worse and gained about 10 pounds without eating more than usual(this is proven to happen with smokers). So at this point I'm pretty much hooked to it, but this is down to every single person as everyone responds differently to tobacco. I've had relatives smoke up until their early 90s and die off from age, because one of their organs stopped. But yeah, long winded reply, just saying what I think about yours. All the best!

[@FredLimestone]

@Cringe Network Japan and China smoke more than the west

[@MechaGodAnri]

@@paveln.4917 Give it another 6-8 years you'll feel worse in terms of lung capacity. I started around 14 when a buddy of mine asked if I wanted to try but didn't do it heavily, maybe once or twice a day then. Around 17 I started to do it more heavily and now I'm 30, still smoke and definitely feel my breathing becoming affected if I start doing anything labor intensive. I quit cold turkey twice once at 20 and another time around 26/27 but that lasted maybe a year then I decided screw it and went back. I feel fine other than heart palpitations which may be due to something else but that's only if I don't constantly lift something or jog/run. Some die of old age but it's like russian roulette when it comes to smoking, you may or may not live a long life depends if your feeling lucky.

[@paveln.4917]

@@MechaGodAnri I can agree with you on that. For example, my job is being a System Administrator, I do not do anything labor intensive apart from lifting weights at the gym every now and then. Since I work from home, I'm actually grabbing me a handful of gym gear so I can train at home as I do not have that much time during the day. I haven't felt anything up until this point, many people start feeling like you at about 30 if they've started in their early teenage years.

[@ethanplague1618]

So is caffeine addictive? Hmm??

[@michadziak4993]

It is. Tested on myself

[@charleslindeman2169]

ur mom is addictive...

[@adabrew2310]

Yes, but addiction isn't always an awful thing.

[@OphiuchiChannel]

Nicotine is the perfect drug. No high and constant withdrawal. The only pleasure come getting your fix once youre addicted, always reinforcing the illusion of having some control over your life.

[@OphiuchiChannel]

@Jeanne Santillana caffeine addiction is easier to kick though. I did it by swapping coffee for tea. If its not strong enough you can try Matcha tea at first. It worked for me.

[@candiedcrusader7841]

A channel called coffee break lecturing viewers on ciggies and gambling being addictive... ironic. i like it.

[@ceevei3749]

Quality as always

[@rodigoduterte9192]

Back went government can be bribed (I dont know if govt today can be bribe-free)

[@justviewing8387]

you may not be able to bribe a whole government, but you can certainly bribe key people in it.

[@Michael-lc8yl]

Just Viewing you can bribe an entire party

[@karl-oppa5261]

back when*

[@Rokkidud]

Hah! The irony of being sponsored by Amazon, lol

[@newtongingrich8110]

How do we differentiate between companies paying for research to change their bad habits (ex. create a less dangerous soda) and those trying to deny it?

[@Murksiuke39]

One thing i kinda respect about the gambling industry is the fact that a person can say 'please dont allow me to gamble' and they dont allow inside casinos. I know its a public image sort of thing (and its also shifting blame to the person), but its more than any other addictive industry has done

[@dinoflame9696]

Addiction is infinitely more nuanced than this simplistic video makes it out to be, as anyone who has seen it first-hand can testify to. In a 10-minute video you didn't mention once where these companies get their funds from. Pretending like they steal money from helpless customers is equally deceptive, just at the other end of the spectrum. No one is forced to buy cigarettes, everyone knows it's harmful, there are already numerous alternatives and help to quit, and nicotine isn't even *that* potent to begin with. All throughout life you need to practice discipline and self-restraint to achieve something - whether it's education, earning money or, in this case, avoid poor health. You can argue cigarettes should be prohibited, but whether they're addictive or not isn't really a relevant discussion. The relevant discussion is: what level of responsibility should we delegate to the individual? And it seems most countries agree that nicotine or slots falls under "do it at your own risk", as opposed to cocaine or carrying a machine gun around. If you're trying to achieve some sort of consistent idea of what is, and what isn't, moral to sell and market to people - you're opening yourself up to a load of counter-arguments. What about porn? Candy? Video games? The truth is: if you're an adult and expect someone else to babysit and keep you safe from pitfalls, lies and deception in life, you're bound to get screwed over time and time again, regardless of what tobacco or gambling companies do or say. Criticizing companies for maximizing profits is a tired cliche at this point, everyone knows that's just a fragment of the bigger picture.

[@raphaelkap]

And then, at the slightest hint of conspiracy theory, everyone gets up to beat you down.

[@gabrieladimitrova7968]

Such a great video.

[@gofuckthyself420]

Great video! Btw you reminded me of rob low in Parcs and recs

[@JohnDoe-bm5lp]

I'm not sure I agree on prohibation, we shouldn't leave it to the politicians to decide what counts as objective science, political agendas will get in the way and since the state has more power than corps it would be a much larger issue ! great video as usual btw

[@freedomofspeech2867]

It is every persons responsability and it MUST be that way legaly. No one is forcing you to play.

[@CoffeeBreaks]

prohibition isn't decided by the government, it's decided by the scientific journals themselves who set their own standards for what COI's (conflicts of interest) they want to allow or not allow (publish). To be clear, the more respected journals often have much stricter rules about COI's for this exact reason, potential fraud.

[@JohnDoe-bm5lp]

@@CoffeeBreaks oh, that makes sense now thanks, it's hard to tell from the video alone

[@PervertHeart]

As long as the government doesn't put it's hand on it. Let people fuck up their own life, it's their own choice.

[@robertkalinic335]

@@CoffeeBreaks Wait what? You are suggesting that scientific journals should have higher standards, but then you say some of them already have... Ok so what if industry estabilishes its own journals, are you suggesting that there should be state regulation for standards of journals?

[@watsonblack7481]

Great vid

[@troliskimosko]

you didn’t even have enough time to watch the video stfu

[@spacenomad4477]

I found time traveller!

[@kensvideos1]

Thankyou Audible.

[@rre9121]

So the peer review process is dubious as a 100% certification process. During my grad work I did peer review for my professor, he'd be given articles to review, his grad students would review them and provide our analysis in a report back to him. I was reviewing articles on environmental science when my qualification was an undergraduate degree in materials engineering. I tried my best, but I was outside my element for the most part. You see a lot of published articles that make outlandish claims, or are designed to mislead people trying to replicate results (I found a couple of these), but it gets a legendary status in pop culture.

[@harshvardhanrathi5499]

I didnt get adds 😭 rip

[@serglian8558]

Rewatch the видео комрад

[@Say_No_To_e-Girls]

There actually is strong research that addictive behaviours (not those paid for by lobbies), be it gambling or drugs, has a strong genetic component, and that's been an established medical fact. So they arent exactly wrong when they say slots technically arent addictive because they will never be addictive to the larger population who arent genetically susceptible. It's the same genetics at play as to why some can drink responsibly and some never can. However, are slots design to target and prey on those who are addictive gamblers? Yes, and that's where the discussion should be.

[@dog-ez2nu]

Also. To be fair. Human nature shows, to a certain extent, we will gamble if we win just enough. Gambling has addicting qualities to anyone. Like how anyone can feel depression - its just that some are chronically effected by it.

[@LRC92]

Genetics is a big factor, but it's not the only factor. Anyone with a brain capable of synthesising dopamine and other reward chemicals has the capacity to experience addiction. We're all addicted to food and sex. Slots are addictive because winning money in such away targets our reward pathways, and we instinctively want to experience that same dopamine ‘high’ again, even if it means losing thousands to get there.

[@DarthObscurity]

"There actually is strong research that addictive behaviours (not those paid for by lobbies), be it gambling or drugs, has a strong genetic component, and that's been an established medical fact. So they arent exactly wrong when they say slots technically arent addictive because they will never be addictive to the larger population who arent genetically susceptible." Bullshit. Citation? You can go to a treatment center to meet people and one of the ONLY things they have in common is that they are addicted. It's like saying that there is a gay gene. This debate has been had many times. There is no clear winner in the nature vs. nurture argument.

[@mariokarter13]

Social constructionists don't seem to believe in genes, hence why they believe they can fix everything by changing society. Better to ban everything because the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many (who will just find something else to get addicted to because they're genetically predisposed toward addiction).

[@vincentmuyo]

If it was a genetic defect present within a small part of the population, gambling wouldn't be profitable.

[@carlito___fml2652]

I’ve looked through Blue Wednesday’s account for the song on soundcloud (vid description says it’s a song by Blue Wednesday) and can’t find the name of the song that plays at 00:16 . Anyone know where I can find it?

[@ninetyninerising9482]

prohibition is a dangerous precedent, peer review is all we can do before we start to decide what information can be shared

[@PrypeciowyHovnozer]

Now I want to have a cigarette in a casino :D

[@DinoThatPlaysHaloQ]

Cigarettes,cocaine, and gambling are extremely addictive

[@ipKonfig]

Literally LOL'd when he said "This man's a genius. He could disprove gravity" OMG, that had me rolling hardlololol

[@TROOPERfarcry]

That's an excerpt from a movie called "Thank You for Smoking". It's a good movie, and it's got some satire in it.

[@CouchLord1]

The power of a large paycheck to change someone's tune still amazes me to this day...

[@theawesome1rjc]

You completely ignored the point made about how the vast majority of people that try cocaine do not get addicted. The same is still true with crack cocaine though it's a hell of a lot stronger. See Carl Hart's research. There is very little we truly know about addiction so the fact you're speaking about it with such confidence is bizarre. In my experience with drugs the addiction part of it is not at all what I've been taught and through my experiences I would have to put myself somewhere in between this video and the casinos. I do believe that a substance isn't inherently addictive on its own, the user seriously needs to take a liking to it and begin using it near daily before they stand a chance of addiction to almost anything (idk about meth though, whole other beast). But casinos are certainly exploiting people who may be more prone to addictions. Just my opinion though, don't treat it as anything more and form your own!

[@squatch545]

Not defending the gambling industry, however, it is true that external things are not addictive in and of themselves. Addiction is a psychological state, not the simple result of exposure to something.

[@nikaa-yr7qe]

Its a combination of both...

[@TheGreatRakatan]

We call something addictive when it creates that psychological state. Which means they ARE addictive in and of themselves. You wouldn't call a disease harmless simply because 90% of people's immune systems are able to fight it off and 10% die gruesome deaths. "Well most people handle the virus just fine, so it's not deadly in and of itself, it just kills some people with weaker immune systems" That means it's deadly.

[@lordalcyoneus7187]

A bit of perfect irony was when I saw the ad under this video was for a Games of Thrones slot machine app

[@LoganGardner]

Lolol love the infinity war meme faintly in the background at 5:15

[@timjeff1605]

Dude you are allowed to make your videos 10mins

[@Sielose]

i don't see what the "prohibition"-route offers. let it stay legal and regulate it as far as you can is the way to go imho. making stuff illegal won't change jack sh*t, just look at prohibition-laws in the 20th century. i feel let down by watching such a wellmade video, just to have it tell me "simply prohibit the dangerous thing, it will solve the situation". no it won't. and i have a feeling the makers of this video know this too. therefore thumbs down, even though some good points are made.

[@jonathansaatze3932]

the prohibition part was about prohibiting companies to pay for "research" in favour of their product and not about banning the product.

[@Sielose]

@@jonathansaatze3932 thanks for pointing that out, I misunderstood that. nevertheless, this kind of prohibition seems to me to "arrive at the same station" - on what basis can this be justified? who decides then, what can be researched and what not? would this not also lead to a state of arbitrariness, where certain people would be granted to do a research and certain people would not; the desired effect of reducing "misinformation", in my opinion, would not be aided much by this process. people would look for and find loopholes, even if some kind of "research-license" would be required.

[@matthewnelson1606]

I know cops who go to illegal casinos it doesn’t work at all

[@FactoryofRedstone]

@@Sielose Yes it would be complicated and very difficult to check. But the idea would not be to have a licence, but that if you get significant funding from an organisation, which is interested in a specific outcome of your research, that then your articles won't get published by certain scientific journal anymore. For research it is important to get published in a well known journal to be excepted, read and cited by a lot of other scientists. So it's less prohibiting the research itself, but making the publication more difficult.

[@commenteroftruth9790]

@@FactoryofRedstone lol theyll just pay off people like they already do, you just went full circle with extra meaningless steps.

[@spacial2]

Interesting and excellent analysis. The problem with prohibition is exposed with legally prohibited drugs. Since the earliest prohibition laws, in the mid 1920s, use of all the listed drugs has risen dramatically, each year.

[@MarkShannonroad_videos]

Television can be addictive, and so can KZbin, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok, and can be just as dangerous with misinformation as gambling and cigarettes.