Cold climate heat pump, the truth in the cold!

[@Acoustic_Theory]

Same as Gree Flexx, Tosot Apex, MrCool Universal. Napoleon may be a Canadian brand but the hardware is made by Gree in China. Side discharge is fine but you have to keep the snow and ice from accumulating in the fan or it won't start, so the same ground stand that is needed for normal heat pumps to keep them out of the snow is also needed for these.

[@ernestleo6284]

Thank you for providing an overview of the heat pump installed in your home.

[@bullboss7698]

We just had a Mitsubishi Hyper Heat system installed and we love it. Sure beats our old electric baseboard system.

[@JamesBergeron]

It dropped to -33Celcius a few weeks ago here. My heat pump (mitsubishi zuba hyper heat) worked just fine to keep the house at temp until -27C. When it dropped to -33C it gave up and the aux heat turned on. That was the only time all winter it used Aux and it only used it for a few hours over night, it returned back to heat pump operation around 9am when the temp rose from -32C to -27C. My senville Aura in my Garage kept going but I lost about 3C in the garage total temp. Not a big deal.

[@jko0526]

May I ask what thermostat your HVAC contractor used? Mine installed the Mitsubishi thermostat and I absolutely hate it!

[@JamesBergeron]

@@jko0526 It's a Mitsubishi unit as well. It has to be to control it properly. It does suck, but I've learned to live with just set and forget don't try to offset temps etc. So basically I never look at it

[@andreaberryman5354]

I live where it's that all the time in winter. Single digit and 0° F

[@slims2685]

@@jko0526 ecobee is the way to go for heat pumps with aux heat

[@COSolar6419]

Yes they do work in cold climates but you have to select the right heat pump for the specific building and climate. Heat pumps are built with many different capacities.

[@flyingmachineworks]

Well my Mitsubishi hyper heat units put out 94f at -15f the other night. I’m happy with it. Now -15 is not normal for here. We design for 0f and my house has 2 other heat systems.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Impressive, those Mitsubishi’s are good units. At that point the heat loss of the home is the biggest factor for how long the unit runs, not the efficiency of the heat pump.

[@flyingmachineworks]

Ya I get that. 2 of the rooms that have the units struggled. Wind plus 2x4 exterior walls at r15 it did the best possible for a 70 year old house.

[@curtbradley549]

YES !!You have to BUY the RIGHT unit measured for the space and local weather!!! Like anything else !! I am in the BC interior of CANADA and we have a mini split , it got to minus 20 for a week look it up if your a disbeliever ,we were fine !! 20 plus and cozy !! BUY RIGHT ,INSTALL RIGHT good to go !! OH ya forgot to mention it gets HOT here in the summer and we have the added comfort of AC which work amazingly well !!

[@davidwelty9763]

In Sweden there are thousands of heat pumps installed all over the country. New heat pumps can manage these cold temps. Even in northern Sweden where it’s bitter cold.

[@mrofnocnon]

The difference is the level of insulation in Sweden is excellent.

[@rgruenhaus]

Our winter in northwest Florida is middle January to end of February around 20F I have a Carrier Infinity heat pump system installed in 2007.

[@davidb5952]

Air source heat pump working just fine in Western NY snow belt. Cheaper to operate than propane. Only complaint is the noise from the compressor when defrosting can be annoying.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

The defrost cycle is definitely louder than I expected. I debated opening the unit to add insulation but don’t want to void the 10 year warranty.

[@davidwilliams4498]

New modern technology heat pumps work well in very cold temps. Old conventional heat pumps primarily built for Florida winters. Old base heat pumps in very cold temps will run an run unless backed by an auxiliary heat source like nat gas propane or 60 amp electric heat.

[@dustbat]

wish I had know these cold area one were out there. I have been wondering what NY is going to do with no gas allowed.

[@pipertripp]

Great info. I reckon a heat pump like yours would work well here in the western US.

[@petanders1968]

We have Daikin split systems in our house in UK, so far the worst cold spell last month temp went as low as 6 c, and they were taking a few more minutes to warm up and then pump hot air throughout, but certainly acceptable ,we have retained a gas supply too as a backup for the gas fire in main living room which we turn on in the evenings if really chilly.

[@michaeld5888]

Our gas fire also is a backup if the electric fails and the supply is on a knife edge at the moment and when they soon remove the coal power stations in the UK things will get worse. This is something I will hang on to whatever until gas is banned. Then Heaven help us all in a solar powered sunless UK winter when the wind is not blowing.

[@derekpresland4029]

Thanks good video, live in Sweden again a cold climate and ours works. I think we have to mention that as it gets colder then they use more electricity. Under optimal conditions the ratio is 1 to 3 That is to say 1 kwh in 3 out This drops as it gets colder maybe down to 1 to 1 just the same as when it used as an AC. They definitely reduce heating costs. We leave ours on 24/7 So it keeps up with the fluctuations of the outside temperature.

[@xGroteskx]

Whats the average temp there??

[@derekpresland4029]

@@xGroteskx +25 in July and - 8°C in January. It is often - 10° C in the winter and can on occasions drop to - 20°C

[@tipfro2]

I’ve ran my Bosch to 15* f . Works great. My electric bill has went down from original forced air unit.

[@Holler_Rat]

Unless Canada has a Gree factory, that may not be Canadian. Take a look at Gree Flexx.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Yup, Gree Flex.

[@xGroteskx]

Wheres the info for -40c canadian north?? Seems to me like 60 degrees south of us benefit from this. We have permafrost throughout the north!

[@xGroteskx]

Our houses dont have basements and infact if there is a "basement" its likely just a hole in the ground thats frozen on all sides with ice and frost and replaces the freezers. Anything that goes in is frozen. Not just cold.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Good point, need some reviews for the great white north!

[@jko0526]

I had the Mitsubishi Intelli-Heat system installed last month and I noticed that whenever it’s below 25 degrees Fahrenheit the system switches to the back up natural gas furnace. I believe that the problem is in the Mitsubishi brand thermostat which I just absolutely hate! My outdoor unit is the Hyper-Heat cold climate so I know that it can handle much lower temperatures.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Check your settings for the switching point (mine has something called switching tables). You should be able to change that setting yourself.

[@jko0526]

Do you know where I would look for that setting on the thermostat?

[@dfinma]

0:42 Windchill is not temperature and does not affect heat pumps from an ambient temperature perspective*. Decades ago I new people would confuse windchill (and heat index) and, yeah, it's still happening. * Yes, wind(chill) affects convective cooling and tbh I don't know how it affects a heat pump, but all you need to do is put a shroud around the heat pump to neutralize the effect. Regardless, windchill is the cooling effect on exposed skin.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

I realize the difference but I guess brought it up as to how cold it felt outside. Good explanation however for those unfamiliar. Thanks

[@techguydilan]

My furnace is rusty and crusty so I'm thinking about upgrading anyway (so rusty I can't get the bolts to the burners off to clean them). Since I was thinking about getting central AC anyway, I kind of had a heat pump with gas backup in mind (main reason why I wanted a gas backup is it's easier to power with a backup generator). I saw these Napoleon units, along with their 9700 ultimate gas furnaces at a trade show. They look very well made.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Best of both worlds really if you can find a rebate where you are located

[@Gyppor]

We just had a Tosot heat pump (re-badged Gree like the one in this video) and a backup 96% gas furnace installed recently. I'm really glad we went dual fuel because we just run the furnace for heat. We tried the heat pump for heating but it makes so much more noise than the furnace that it's a no-brainer, so we use it just for cooling. Our neighborhood is very quiet and a heat pump is one of those few things where electric is louder than fossil fuel. It's not unbearable, but we do hear it and given the quieter option, we'll use that option. Something to keep in mind that no one seems to mention when talking about the advantages of heat pumps. In cool mode it's quieter, and since there's no quieter option we do run it as an air conditioner.

[@danielhochohao]

More curious on the actual energy consumption on heatpump over gas. Is it actually cheaper to run heatpump over high efficiency furnance? Thank you so much

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Video coming soon on efficiency. Thanks for watching

[@andyj256]

Good video showing cost savings. First time I’ve seen the napoleon unit. Seems the same RE-branded Gree as Mr Cool universal and AirTemps inverter heat pump. Anyone know any other rebrands of same unit to add to the list? I own 2 Mr cools and they seem top knotch quality so far. Everyone just says replacement parts can be difficult, which is why I’m trying to figure out a list of who all sells the same units.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

I’ve since had this replaced due to. A compressor issue and they replaced the whole unit after a failed repair attempt. 10 year warranty through Napoleon but I realize it’s a rebranded Gree. Overall cost savings will go up the longer you have it. Check the warranty on whatever brand you go with.

[@Sigma4Life972]

Many people in Alberta have regretted their decisions with heat pump, heard few horror stories where it could not keep up with -40c, people have had cracked water pipes in the house due to freezing.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

I don’t think the generation out now are made for -40. More reasonably like -20. Sorry to hear about the pipes though. I lived in Edmonton for 14 years so know the cold.

[@papapapist]

Great unit. Not Canadian made 😂chyyna

[@papapapist]

Why dont they have an auxiliary gas or electric furnace?

[@rpaulpen]

Thanks for the vid. Do you have any comparative $ to heat numbers based on what you had before?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Just ever increasing gas costs which would average $150 a month in winter prior to Covid.

[@rop1404]

I had a heat pump installed recently. Is gas emergency heat. When I put the heat pump on at -5 c outside the furnace fan never shuts off maybe for 5 min. Then continuously run its not cycling. Should it cycle at that temp. I originally ask sales guy from reliance to install a 100 thou btu and he said all I would need is a 85 thou btu. For a 2500 sq ft home. Then it came to install day and they put in a 80 thousand btu. The quotes were for 85 thousand. And I am renting this from them. Could it be under sized for the home and to much heat loss for my older 100 year home. Low insulation

[@everTriumph]

The problem is not the cold (within reason), it is cold in combination with humidity. Dry cold is no problem, but in the UK we have a lot of humid air and temperatures less than say 6C. This causes condensation and icing. This means the system has to de-ice and fall back to electric heating which is expensive in the UK.

[@gijsqwerasdf]

My Panasonic starts freezing up under (so not at) 3 C here in The Netherlands. Not a big deal if you ask me. Defrosting takes about 4 minutes and happens every 2-3 hours.

[@virgil7100]

Ah, I wondered where the water was coming from underneath my Daikin HP here in damp Cornwall.

[@michaeloshea5505]

👍 talking sense.

[@gijsqwerasdf]

@@virgil7100 Might also be condensation between 3 and 9 degree celcius

[@hazmat5749]

Why does it fall back to electric heating? Surely it just does a quick defrost cycle?

[@willwillits7472]

Mine must be rated for 38°F. It sucks and can’t keep the house at 68°F. In Arkansas.

[@COSolar6419]

If you select the right heat pump for the building and climate they work. This applies to any type of heating system. Cold climate heat pumps will just cost a bit more initially.

[@Pierceb2]

You should get a digital thermometer and see what temp air is coming out of your vents. If it is say 75 F or higher you should look at your insulation, drafts, air leaks, window quality etc. I would get a consultation from a contractor perhaps different from the one who put your system in who is in the energy efficiency business. If your state is not promoting energy efficiency check out Northern States like MA, NY, VT and ME based energy efficiency organizations websites. They have lots of info, advice, videos, testimonials etc. Many other great videos on KZbin on troubleshooting issue, problems, tips and tricks.

[@johnreese3762]

Great info, thanks!

[@orandaadnaro]

Good report - thanks.

[@wes2460]

I have been looking at replacing my heat pump. I know I am going with Gree,Cooper and Hunter ,Panasonic, probably Panasonic. My Rheem Heat pump is well okay it works but is loud and does not heat worth a flip . I do know that I am installing it my self.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Did you end up making a decision? This gree has been heating well for me.

[@balalalala13]

Than you so much. Any change in the last month?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Yes, much lower use and cost with April weather. Check out my latest video to see the cost and efficiency breakdown over the winter.

[@ctskidoo]

Absolutely. I have a Fujitsu XLTH and it produced heat at -18F. If you don't get one designed for low temperatures then no.

[@vmxg8052]

Those units have electric heating strips in it to provide supplemental heat. You're basically using a baseboard heater.

[@canoebelue]

I think I'll replace my 18 yr old pump & dump geothermal with one of these, when something expensive breaks on it. It's been a good one, put one $300 fan control board on it in 18 yrs. Well pumps haven't done as good...

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Interesting, geothermal was new here years back too but seems more for commercial settings or location based designs.

[@charlespierce3647]

They work great in south Mississippi USA.

[@alpha-omega2362]

I would venture to say that in Miss. it doesn't get all that cold in the winter, so yes, it would work great....

[@frontendmayhem1247]

Does it really save as much on utility bills compared to traditional furnace and ac unit?

[@DebRoo11]

Id like to get an answer on this as well

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Hi, sorry for the late response but yes my monthly cost is greatly reduced vs gas and traditional AC. In winter the neighbors were paying $150 a month in gas to heat vs $60 for electricity in the coldest month. Same savings in summer as heat pump cools more efficiently. Many factors affect break even point but if your furnace and ac need replacing then the upgrade cost should save you money.

[@DebRoo11]

@@yourelectricneighbour3633 thanks for the reply. I'm on day two of three of installation today lol i went with a new tankless water heater, heat pump and air handler. Furnace and water heater were on their last legs. Looking forward to seeing how it goes this winter 👍🏼 My furnace was 22 yrs old, water heater was 12 and we had no central air only 3 window air conditioners. So anything is an upgrade from that set up lol

[@joewiddup9753]

I've got one of the Senville Aura units good to -30c here in Saskatchewan. It will work that low. But gas is a fair bit cheaper because COP falls off a cliff. Best guess is that it has to be above -7 outside to beat my newer furnace on cost. Which of course it almost never is in winter. Given electricity is so much higher cost in Ontario, where is your transition with your system?

[@jaimelima2420]

Hi, I am here in NY (Long Island). Here many houses burn oil like mine. With the prices of oil here around 5 US dollars a gallon, my transition here is actually non existent. I can go all the way to -15F and still using electricity to feed the HP is cheaper than turn my boiler, even we paying here around 25 cents per kWh.

[@RichTeer]

A good way to offset the costs of electricity is to install solar panels. Very cheap (or even free) electricity makes heat pumps a no-brainer!

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

That’s a valid question and dependent on time of use for energy costs but should have a good idea in another few months where the balance point is. Thanks for sharing

[@joewiddup9753]

@Rich Teer At this moment in time, with my power costs at .14 $CAD/kwH, no feed in tarrif, unfavorable forex, and borrowing costs over 6% I would straight up lose money with a solar install. One of my variables needs to change before the math makes sense.

[@RichTeer]

@@joewiddup9753 Solar isn't right for everyone all the time, but when it is, it sure is nice! I live in BC and haven't paid for electricity in the four years since I installed my panels! 🙂

[@taharalloui5897]

The real question is how does this heat pump achieving this performance at such low temprature? If it's by using the electrical strips then I guess power consumption will be significant which in turn will increase the cost of your utility bills.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

I don’t have heat strips as I don’t have an air handler. This uses my furnace fan to blow the warm air. Furnace kicked on about an hour over two months so no, this is just how a cold climate heat pump operates.

[@bkc9708]

Hello EN, from Ontario here. I just had cold climate Heat pump ( dual fuel) installed yesterday with a new ecobee thermostat. My question is when during a defrost cycle, is my fan supposed to blow cold air in the house?. Is my alternate heat supposed to kick in during the defrost cycle? Very new to heat pumps...thanks

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Cold air is normal on defrost with a hybrid system. Only a true air handler with heat strips will activate during that time.

[@rafat1407]

Do you also using "NAPOLEON EQHUB SMART THERMOSTAT"? How your heat pump is functioning along with your furnace and thermostat? This heat pump have 2-stage compressor, how did you wire this heat pump to your thermostat and from thermostat to furnace? It would be great if you share some feedback.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Yes on the thermostat. It allows the user to select if and when the gas furnace comes on or not at all if you want heat pump only. Installed by the technician but new 8 wire was ran to accommodate the 24v system.

[@Steavaridge]

My neighbour just got one installed between our houses and it is noisy enough to notice in our house to the point where it wakes us up frequently so I’m looking for sound insulating solutions! I’ve heard other complaints for noise with this type of heating! Very disappointed

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Super frustrating. The website on the Napoleon mentions “whisper quiet” but it’s a rebranded Gree unit and I find the compressor can get noisy on certain cycles but not loud enough to hear through a window. Perhaps a faulty unit.

[@waynebeck7801]

A. You pair any heat pump with a gas furnace or does it have to be a package?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

This will depend on the thermostat used as well as the knowledge of your hvac tech. Search hybrid heat pump set ups to get the best information.

[@michaelwilliams4980]

How much does it cost to run? What is your elect bill?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Efficiency video for winter coming soon. Important questions to ask for sure.

[@michaeltester6174]

How many Sq foot is your home? The NS-18 Series is a 2 ton HP. I just had one installed aswell, a 2.5 ton system and I'm a little worried it may be a little too small for my application and would like to compare, since our heat pumps are relatively same size (and same climate, since I'm in the same region as you). Like yours, I am gas as a secondary source and it'll kick on at -20 I believe. Btw, I recognize that glass roof from anywhere. Nice Model Y!

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

The NS-18 can be set up as a 2 or 3 ton upon installation via dip switches inside the unit. Check with your installer to see how they set it up. My house is a little over 1000 sq ft and it keeps up well but heat pumps do run longer than a gas furnace, but are designed that way. Thanks for watching!

[@kevingauci5528]

Thanks for sharing! We're also in southern Ontario, and we're having a ducted cold climate 20 seer heat pump installed in a couple weeks, as well as a Rheem Hybrid heat pump electric water heater. Needless to say we are quite excited to be ditching more gas! Wondering if you have a rough idea of your kwh usage for your heat pump per month for January and or December? Thanks either way!

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Yeah I use the emporia to monitor energy and looks to average about 500kwh a month so far in winter. Seems a lot but that’s about $50 in energy compared to twice that in gas for my mid efficiency furnace. Hoping to do Solar soon to balance the cost.

[@kevingauci5528]

@@yourelectricneighbour3633 awesome! Thank you! We were planning to do solar this year too, but our local grid won't accept any additional kWh at the moment and battery storage is just prohibitively expensive right now. Can I ask how many square feet your home is?

[@DebRoo11]

Did you have to upgrade your hydro service to accommodate the heat pump? If so, up to how high? How is it for cooling in the summer?

[@andreaberryman5354]

​@@yourelectricneighbour3633That makes it worth it. Mid-efficiency you will notice. Here in USA, we have been required to replace our mid efficiency when they die with high efficiency condensing furnaces. Cheap operating! In my darned state, we now HAVE to all use electric heat from now on ONLY, so when our HE furnaces die, we have to get heat pumps. This winter it went to 8° F-about 13° C. But we hit 0° all the time. Am I going to get cold????😢

[@yatcojos]

Great job on this.. I learned a few things from you... We are building a new home in Toronto and would like to know if you would suggest heat pump with furnace or HVAC? We do have natural gas available. Would like to know which is more economical. I have been told Daikin is a better model for heat pump.. Is this a good and reliable unit?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

When hooked up to a furnace that still has gas, it’s called a hybrid system. This is a ducted system and what I currently have as it was the most economical option. Daikin has good reviews.

[@Cheeky-fingers]

Have one in our office at work. Yes it does produce heat in temperatures as low as minus 10c. The only problem is when it gets below zero it keeps having to go into defrost mode. In a listed building in the UK, the insulation is poor so heat is lost very quickly.

[@jetg2059]

Hey I just wanted to say hey to a Canadian

[@ccampbell1117]

So are you saying you need to run an additional heating source to help it keep up ?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

No but if you need a back up you have that option.

[@ladislaoortiz8420]

Why do you have so many leaf plants next to your unit.??

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

They call southern Ontario Leafs nation so thought I’d do my part…but seriously it’s just where the old AC was and the install tech didn’t have any issues with it.

[@ryanschotsman2055]

Thank you for the video, did you go through the greener homes grant? With retrofitting the heat pump into you existing furnace instead of going with an air handler how much of the $5000 grant did you receive?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Last year Enbridge had a separate grant for heat pumps but I will also be going through greener homes for other upgrades.

[@bigdogbulldog9912]

How much is it yo install this type of set up ?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Around 4K for heat pump including installation with rebate but this didn’t include the furnace which most seem to be going with these days.

[@paulcheng88]

You have a Tesla and heat pump, what is the total electricity cost? Way cheaper than before when they are 3 separate bills?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Well the Tesla ran about $500 for the year (other half was supercharging) to go 40K (km). Heat pump I won’t know until a year is up but I’m winter was saving $100/month over natural gas.

[@lilianesaad4101]

Nonono How about Montreal weather -30 plz

[@yossarianmnichols9641]

SEER is not the important specification. COR at specific temperatures is the right spec to rely on for heating efficiency.

[@bpdp379]

Agreed, HSPF is most important for us in cold climates.

[@TaylorZ2]

I have a zoneline style heat pump/resistance heat HVAC unit and if it runs twice as long on heat pump mode versus resistance heat, where's the savings? Also it's completely ineffective below maybe 35 or 30 degrees, but I don't think it is a "cold climate" heat pump.

[@Pierceb2]

You didn’t mention where you live but in general heat pumps are meant to run for longer periods of time and put out lower temp heat say 90F. However for the same kWh of electricity to run the heat pump you will get 2 to 5 kWh of heat depending on outside temp vs 1 KWh of heat from your resistor heater back up/ supplemental source. The refrigerant in the heat pump is cheaply “ grabbing” the ambient heat in the atmosphere. You can verify this by getting a fancier thermostat that can tell you how many kWh you use when heat pump is running vs resistance heater. Other heat pump videos on KZbin can explain the how’s and why’s of their proven efficiency over burning fuel or using electrical resistance. Best metaphor for this is going 40 miles in Toyota Prius on 1 gallon of gas vs 40 miles in Pickup Truck on 3 gallons of gas.

[@TaylorZ2]

@@Pierceb2 Thanks, that explains it. I live in New Jersey. Your Toyota Prius analogy at the end really clears it up for me.

[@Bluepilled-c5t]

We’ve had heat pump water hot water systems in Australia for 15 years and they’re ok, but when it gets cold, that thing runs all night, and then comes on again at 5pm when electricity gets expensive. Old Tank leaks now and we are replacing with straight electric on a timer. More efficient in winter and way cheaper. Our original was purchased with government hand outs, cost us $50. Now they’re about $5000. No thanks.

[@piapple]

roughly how much is the total cost to install one ?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

With the rebate about $4300 Cdn with a new coil inside the furnace. Keep in mind this is also for AC when weighing the cost in.

[@edc1569]

Does air conditioning work in the hot?

[@COSolar6419]

Yes pretty much like standard AC.

[@jcarterla]

Ours works until it's about 10 degrees or colder outside.

[@carlosoruna7174]

Some are efficient till -12c.

[@yossarianmnichols9641]

wind chill irrelevant to a heat pump

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

For sure, that was more for reference as to how cold it felt outside.

[@jeffmac-z6g]

This unit is rebranded Gree unit .

[@williamrgutrich7694]

Heating your home with 97 degree air? What was not discussed was how expensive is it to run a heat pump in cold weather. Once the strip heat comes on $$$$. It works, but at what cost?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Efficiency video is next but sneak peek (it’s less than half what gas costs). No heat strips in this set up.

[@vet137]

Heat pumps are about 300% efficient compared to dinosaur gas furnaces which are less than 100%

[@stewartread4235]

Heat pump? I've got AC units in my house that can switch to heat mode (20 years old), so some bright spark changed their name to heat pump that can switch to AC units to cool, genius.! What a sales gimmick.

[@bluetocop]

because that describes what they do best pump heat either way into or out of the house

[@jolyonwelsh9834]

I just use resistance heat. It's simpler and cheaper to buy and install.

[@vet137]

What? lol

[@famousdude1239]

GREE Manufactures.

[@christopherreus7799]

Its made by gree flex its china i have mr cool universal the same thing .4 years going strong Quebec Canada

[@jimskirtt5717]

2:48 Did you mean something else, as you evidently know electric is 100% efficient (virtually)? Or did I misunderstand your video?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Would be more clear just saying “efficient “ in that case. Good point. Kind of relates to most still calling it a gas pedal in an EV.

[@anomamos9095]

There are two basic types of heat pump. An air to air heat pump AKA a reverse cycle air conditioning unit and a Geo thermal heat pump. A geo thermal requires either series of deep bores be dug well below the frost line to insert pipes that cycle a thermal media through to exchange heat from the ground or massive trenches be dug to lay the pipes into. A geo thermal will work extremely well as long as it doesn’t freeze the ground which would only happen once in an ice age. These are expensive to retrofit but are the cheapest to use as most just need a few fans and pumps. Air to air cost as much as a regular aircon to run and install.

[@hazmat5749]

There are also air to water heat pumps which use existing radiators.

[@albinoadrianocordeiro9929]

what's the savings on a montly basis? Will you recover the investment in time?

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

That’s the million dollar question. I needed to upgrade my outdoor ac anyway so it was a no brainer to go to the heat pump and so far the savings month to month are great.

[@SonicOrbStudios]

I imagine the unit is kicking on electric strips at that temperature

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Heat strips are usually installed in an air handler if the customer chooses which I don’t have. So this was all heat pump.

[@rogersmith7396]

Should you buy an oversized unit for heating? Could you put a propane burner in the outside unit to increase air temp over the coil? I am not considering a mini split. Too expensive and ugly.

[@stevem1081]

You might pay a little more for a mini split, but when it could cut your operating cost in half, then your old style is really the most expensive!

[@rogersmith7396]

@@stevem1081 10 mini splits for a 10 room house. Tell me about expensive. And they basically look like shit inside. Maybe the unit could be buried in a ceiling or under a floor.

[@rogersmith7396]

@Fred Wills Yeah well I want to heat with the pump and Mo. temps are about the same as yours. Its warmer this year. The neighbor put in a heat pump which I deem way oversized but he has no problem heating and has reasonable bills. I was going to calculate heating requirements the traditional way based on load but due to the low efficiency at low temps I am wondering if oversized is'nt the smart way to go. I have 10KW of back up with a 75 amp breaker at 220 Volts and I know that will bankrupt me to run much. The problem with the water heater is the abysmal recovery times as well as the initial expense. A furnace that heats the water might be better. Everyone here used to be on propane but they have all gone heat pump due to cost and unpredictability of supply. I do plan on investigating heating water with wood and sending it to a heat exchanger on the cold side of the furnace. I have 7 wooded acres.

[@Pierceb2]

If you live in a cold climate get a cold climate designated heat pump and have a plan to insulate your home well. An outside propane tank to somehow warm the coils would be very inefficient. If you don’t have a duct system already but a boiler they do have air to water heat pumps to run using your radiators. Very common in Europe where A/C is or was less common. Bosch and many others make those also. You need a few consultants or contractors to give you different solutions or options as there may be several. Most States and Energy Efficiency Organizations have websites with options and case studies. Check out MA, ME, VT, NY to just name a few.

[@joe3276865536]

Beware that if you going with a central unit then the capacity of the heat pump much match what your ductwork can handle. That was a limiting factor for us. If we want to go bigger then we are looking at associated duct work.

[@knitterscheidt]

mmm...well I had a heat pump when I lived in Florida, when the temp was below 40 Fahrenheit it didn't do much and the aux heat came on, of course this was one that looked like an a/c unit. However it was a high efficiency unit from a major manufacturer and it was constantly breaking down, the circuit board, blower and all kinds of electronic parts were very unreliable and never less than $500 to fix. my neighbor bought a high efficiency unit from one of the best selling manufacturers and had the same experience with breakdowns and repair costs.

[@muskyful]

I have an early model inverter heat pump in Fl too....after 7 yrs its had no issues other than annual service ($89). It sips electricity and on cold nights (40 degs) and heated just fine. The most important thing to install in Fl is a surge protector for lightning & power surge.... my neighbor had that issue and it blew out his circuit board and compressor. The newer heat pumps for cold climate are much better and can heat down to -22 degs.

[@TheTor1193]

Fossil fuel corporations and their boards are working hard to make fewer cold days all over the planet, so go ahead and get that heat pump!

[@brianjones7660]

fossil fuel is a fable. Enjoy the bedtime story.😂😂

[@TheTor1193]

@@brianjones7660 ok Bonzo

[@drewthompson7457]

NOAA just announced they found no global warming in the last 8 years.

[@TheTor1193]

@@drewthompson7457 what about in the last 80 years

[@drewthompson7457]

@@TheTor1193 : why not research what NOAA says? that's were I got my info.

[@aaronthenorm5400]

As an American; please don't interpret Celsius- fahrenheit; Celsius is soooo much better and if my fellow Americans are too lazy to take the 10 minutes to learn it, forget them!

[@alpha-omega2362]

bahhh......remember the "Metrication" laws during the early 80's? Everything was to convert to metric at one point. and in the 80's there were dual road signs, etc... It just wasn't possible to change the American culture and it was ultimately abandoned....but yes. Metric is really much easier to understand.. 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling point, but oddly there is a number that matchs both Centigrade and Franenheit.....-44 or something ?

[@PHamster]

I don’t think that’s “Canadian” made. It looks like a Gree Flexx (Made in China) aka MrCool Universal aka GE Connect aka ACPro X-Series

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

See this link: made in Ontario Canada: bphsales.ca/products/napoleon-ns18-5-ton-heat-pump

[@prothermal_refrigerationHVAC]

canadian made😂😂😂 sticker may be, but not sure. yes,this is gree unit,straight from china. sell them a lot. hope compressors will not die after 5 years)

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Correct. Rebranded Gree and compressor was already replaced after excessive noise/vibration. At least Napoleon offers 10 year warranty so no cost to me.

[@smacleod69]

Then when one of the power boards fails within a couple years it will cost 1500 dollars to replace! 1

[@muskyful]

Warranties on these heat pumps are typically 7 yrs on parts.....my Mitsubishi is covered till then.

[@guytech7310]

issue is that you kinda cherry picked the heat pump as there is no snow on the grounds and there wasn't any significant moisture to cause the unit to freeze up. Also the efficienty of heat pumps drops as the temperature drops. if you look at most heat pump data sheets the either show a decline in COP or reduction in heat flow. Another issue with heat pumps if you lose power in bad weather its unlikely you be able to use a small backup generator to run it. Usuually a gas\oil fired system can be powered using a small generator. I think a lot of people will get screwed using heat pumps if there is a major power outage that takes a week or more during freezing weather conditions.

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

The video was shown for temperature effectiveness. As mentioned moisture does play a roll in whether a defrost cycle will run . You are correct about back up heating however if you have a hybrid system like this then gas can still be used if you want with a generator hooked to the furnace fan as you describe.

[@gtrguyinaz]

They do not work well below 20 degrees F.

[@slims2685]

Definitely not a made in Canada product, Gree's are a Chinese company. I sell the tosot from gree same shit different name. but gree does make a good HP

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Thanks, will have to make an edit to this to say “sticker put on in Canada”…

[@robertdavis3433]

97 degrees suck. Have to install heat strips. Together 118 degrees. Need second stage to come on. Competes real good with gas.

[@PilotVBall]

Sounds incredibly inefficient since it has to run longer to produce heat and it has to run defrost cycles that legacy central heaters never have to run.

[@tenaguin1054]

Today people purchasing homes do mot get to choose their mechanicals like HVAC systems. When a home is built unless it is custom, the builder usually goes the cheapest way to meet any building requirements set for the location. Years later it comes out that alot of that stuff was wrong and not the healthiest. Not sure how improvement can be made but it is what it is. Saying this, I had a heat pump in California. I was never warm in the winter, if thermostat was changed to help heat the small home, 1400sf, my electricity would jump to an unaffordable range. I don't have a heat pump now and It would be a deal breaker for me. My choice would be never to use a heat pump again.

[@roseymalino9855]

Your unit is a hybrid heat pump. Wind chill is meaningless to machinery. You converted your air conditioning system components (blower motor and A-coil) not your furnace.

[@John8910]

Your problem. Ductwork!! You will continue to have loud compressors and issues. Your ductwork was not sized to the heat pump. You have high static pressure causing the heat not being rejected from the evaporator coil. Has it ever tripped on error codes? Please tell me the installer used the correct evaporator coil in the furnace. Also the furnace and heat pump should never ever run at the same time! Your evaporator coil is infront of the fu mace heat exchanger and will cause massive head pressure and damage to the heat pump compressor. See where im going? These are not a slap it on your furnace hybrid all in one unit. They MUST BE SIZED to the ductwork and habe a non plumber install them!!! Only a heat pump refrigeration tech who has years of hands on installatio should be installing any ducting type air source heat pumps. Or it will FAIL PERIOD!!!

[@Jon-hx7pe]

it is chinese made by gree

[@yourelectricneighbour3633]

Well aware thanks.

[@stephenjenner484]

Basically they run constantly. I’d love to see how the massive hydro consumption compares to gas consumption of a furnace with all this BS carbon charge for gas factored in. We couldn’t run a heat pump only at night in low peak power cost like you could a/c. I also don’t think it’s a nice heat at 97f nothing like a gas furnace.

[@rogersmith7396]

A gas flame is 2200 degrees F. My guess the coil around 200 degrees or less.

[@John-se7rc]

No

[@jaimetarango7423]

No thanks

[@alexgere529]

waste of money and electricity

[@jimmorris5700]

Yes but very crappy lol

[@strokedmule3838]

I’ve had heat pumps since 1987, they suck in cold weather. They basically are electric heaters that suck your wallet dry. I put a gas fireplace in with gas logs and heat my entire house in the winter for a quarter of the price.

[@KznnyL]

How did the internet work in 87? How efficient were cars in 87? How were cell phones in 87? Heat pump tech has changed since 87.

[@abrahamlokoski4475]

Avoid. I purchased a heat pump (installed professionally) to heat my home in lower southwest Michigan. A 3 zone system manufactured by a respected company (everyone knows their name) and I “wanted” something good, something creditable with a great rep.

[@bluetocop]

well do you like it

[@vet137]

So no name mentioned and AVOID?

[@edwardluth7740]

NO! These Heat pumps do not work enough under freezing. Forget it. They should not be placed anywhere in zone 5 or below. Only The South such as Kentucky to southern Missouri down. And in Florida and the Deep South just buy a good seer AC and furnace. They are not worth it in the Deep South.

[@mikespangler98]

Which heat pump matters a lot. The Mitsubishi is good to -5 F, maybe lower. The Friedrich is only good to 45. That one is only advertised as an AC unit with a heating capability, so it does operated as advertised.

[@edwardluth7740]

@@mikespangler98 people in my area are no longer in the heat pumps that are wise because our power bills have doubled and everybody is switching to propane. I’ve had 2 heat pumps …one died in 10 years …the compressor and the second one has had $3000 worth of repairs on a computer board and several other small issues and thank goodness I bought a five year warranty and both were Trane. Seer 13 first. The unit now is six years old and it’s a Trane Seer 18 xi. 3000 in expense so far. No more.

[@funrunner1277]

Heat pumps are shit below 40 degrees.

[@stevem1081]

They use to be, and some still are, but there a good many on the market that work well in temps below freezing!

[@jeremiahsimpkins868]

A lot of older units designed/built/still stold in America...yes. My Mitsubishi HyperHeat Inverter outdoor unit still manages to find heat down to around 5F and blow toasty warm air out of the indoor units.

[@MrMax4music]

Wrong

[@funrunner1277]

@MrMax4music really so your saying my unit which is 5yrs old works good? Interesting. It's a 3.5 ton Ameristar, professional installed and maintained. They've told me the exact same thing, they don't work for shit

[@MrMax4music]

@@funrunner1277 No, I didnt say that. Your system might be shit, but thats a problem with your system and your installers. Your statement that heat pumps don't work below 40 is wrong. They work brilliantly when specc'd and installed correctly. If your car broke down, would you say all cars are shit?

[@gowdsake7103]

No it cannot ! its stupid to say heat pumps can work in any house that actually needs heat

[@jimherman859]

NO THIS IS THE ANSWER THEY DO NOT . EXPENSIVE AND NOT ENOUGH HEAT.