Coleman Hughes | Black Lives Matter

Coleman Hughes is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor at City Journal, where his writing focuses on race, public policy and applied ethics. His writing has been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, National Review, Quillette and The Spectator.
He and John discuss Black Lives Matter and consider the validity of their protest.
#BLM #Racism #Ethics
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00:00 Introduction
2:20 Systemic Racism: Is it Real?
6:57 Unpacking Racism in the 21st Century
13:13 The Truth about Slavery
22:27 The Truth about ‘Police Brutality’
35:49 The Truth about Black Incarceration
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[@ChristnThms]

I've seen a couple of his interviews, and it boggles my mind why this young man ISNT center stage. The fact that he's calm and rational makes him easy to listen to, and he seems to be willing to engage just about anyone willing to have a polite conversation.

[@daviddecauwer2511]

This is not the conversation lamestream media wants to have. It Doesn't fit the narrative. The mob won't sit down and have this talk.

[@brianbutton6346]

He is young. We will see. Also, recall that Americans do not overly love highly thoughtful people. It is how we got where we are. :-(

[@ChristnThms]

@@brianbutton6346 sad, but true. I've read a lot of the correspondences between the founding fathers, and their command of language in even mundane personal letters, puts modern Americans to shame. I try to have a respectable command of the language. But I'm afraid that by their standards, I'd probably be considered barely literate.

[@tonycatman]

It is always more impressive when you consider that, for most of his live, he has been persuaded that he has been hated by white people, and that he can get free stuff if he is prepared to play the victim.

[@ChristnThms]

@@tonycatman there are some people, who are born with such a powerful cynicism, that their middle fingers fly upward at the mere hint of groupthink. I've been blessed with such, and it could well be that Mr Hughes has as well. The great part is that he's a lot more pleasant about it than I am, and people are listening to him.

[@Bearded_Tattooed_Guy]

This young man impresses me every time I listen to him. May we all hear much more from him in the future.

[@googletaqiyya184]

After he wakes up from his delusions and joins the right way of seeing the world. With eyes and ears and nothing else especially an opinion borrowed cuz lazy leftist.

[@googleisskynet7312]

I disagree with him that legally sanctioned racism ended in the late 1960s. It just ended for black people.

[@thomaswoo7983]

Really? He is an idiot because racism can't be fixed by political means. It is a symptom of the individual's spiritual condition. Individuals make up a society; the more spiritually healthy the society the less racism. It is that simple.

[@markwhite7405]

Easily impressed

[@zeenuf00]

@@googletaqiyya184 "After he wakes up from his delusions and joins the right way of seeing the world. " Unless him and at least 30% of black Americans decides to do that, it doesn't mean much.

[@2018jer]

Coleman is quickly becoming one of my favorite intellectuals to watch. Love the fact driven angle he takes on his views.

[@aFreeDrifter]

I'm liking John Anderson more and more with each episode. Thanks you and keep up the great work and interviews!

[@alexlindstrom555]

Some of our protests here in Utah involved people THANKING the police for their protection while they exercise their first amendment rights. That’s ONE example of peaceful protests.

[@zeenuf00]

They have a right to protest, and I have a right to politely tell them they're stupid. Goes both ways. Especially if they're 'peacefully' telling me I;m inherently racist just for being white. And BTW - a lot of those 'protesters' don't believe that other people have a right to protest that BLM is wrong.

[@alexlindstrom555]

300 bpm Good points.

[@zeenuf00]

@Captain Jovial I have the right - and the inclination - to call idiots like you 'idiots.' lol!!

[@jamirbingham4101]

@@alexlindstrom555 he has no good points, there were more whites protesting then blacks

[@HagiaSophia1952]

There are still places in the World where slavery still exists: and they are ALL Islamic. This awkward truth is concealed by BLM because so many members of the American movement are black Muslims. It is so great to hear Coleman here, treating people as INDIVIDUALS, rather than 'IDENTITIES' or groups. This type of thinking is the legacy of Judeo/Christianity: not of Islam.

[@tappersuzie]

and thankfully the truth about slavery today and all along is reaching more ears every day.

[@maranelloclassiccars7847]

One of the good things about all this, is the truth about the horrors of slavery, that has effected all creed and races for many hundreds of years. The Americans , of the south tried to dehumanise their slaves, when the game was up, as a last ditch effort to keep slaves, as a riposte to the north, the republicans who said you can’t treat people like this (as the founding fathers have said), well they’re not people then was their tactic .

[@reembagadi7875]

@Anders Anderson pfftttt

[@reembagadi7875]

Name them ...pls

[@reembagadi7875]

All Islamic lmao ..you mean 500 years ago or you mean the fact that they were Arab slaves

[@dianamcintosh6738]

Thank you for this interview John Anderson! Coleman Hughes is a brilliant human being and I'm grateful for his bravery in speaking the truth!

[@seedplanter7173]

What truth? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIHJha1pmZWNotU

[@AnnaMariaThor]

I listen to Coleman Hughes and I envy him from heart of hearts. I wish I were this mature and this conscious in his age. His words are like an essence of wisdom. I couldn't agree more. I would love to know his opinion about political correctness. Will definitely google more info about his views.

[@andykenyon2607]

This gentleman is refreshingly honest and he puts the racism issue in straightforward terms.

[@davidhyatt7772]

The whole "Antiracism" industry is fraudulent and destructive......"Antiracism" is nothing whatever to do with racism in the same way that scientology is nothing to do with science

[@EM-cz4rd]

david hyatt nothing is more destructive than pushing it into people’s heads that they are victims.

[@robynhefferan9561]

This is a very thoughtful, intelligent, and calm young man. A great candidate to lead the country in culture discussions.

[@blitztim6416]

Coleman looking like Kobe here. I appreciate Coleman's levelheadedness.

[@sophieoshaughnessy9469]

Im impressed with Coleman, but lately he has only been talking to people with whom he is in near full agreement. I would like to see him in a more rigorous debate, where his talking points are challenged a bit more,and he could challenge those of the “woke” left. He could bring his cool mind to the heat of this moment, and maybe shift or sharpen the national debate to something more productive of feasible and targeted responses to real problems like police brutality.

[@omg_wtf]

I agree. Same with a lot of these channels... Triggernometry is the same. There needs to be robust debate, not just two different echo chambers

[@zoefree3950]

The left are difficult to pin down for debate....because they think they are right about everything they believe there is no debate 🤷‍♀️

[@Kaboomboo]

I think it's okay for now while he's getting his bearings, being used to being in front of a camera, getting his facts together. He's also very young, it's possible some don't want to give him the time of day, but his moment will come.

[@amigomiro1161]

I’d also like him to talk to the “right”, since he doesn’t identify as a conservative and I would love to see such a young smart man talk to the other side.

[@greuju]

I doubt he's running from it, but the left can't shine a light on anyone on the right for fear of being canceled. Which creators on the left are bringing on conservative guests?

[@scuffmacgillicutty7509]

The world needs more of both of you guys. Thanks for this.

[@thomaspaaruppedersen6781]

This young, intellectual well moderated thinker and speaker is becoming my favorite guy to listen to on KZbin. Amazing to have so much knowledge and perspective at such a - seemingly - young age.

[@finestcitycycling621]

Happy to see national treasures from both our great friend Australia and America in one interview!

[@derekspitz9225]

I agree with Coleman. I've had a very similar attitude when it comes to the new issues surrounding 'race' and ID politics more generally. I find it astounding that Coleman's POV is not the prevailing one in Western governments. It suggests that many MPs in the UK are either stupid or are willing to use their positions for their extra-political agenda. If I was using company time to do freelance work, I'd be fired.

[@neoshand]

I love how right when Coleman mentions the police being overworked at 28:53, you hear a siren go off in the background. Haha

[@seedplanter7173]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIHJha1pmZWNotU

[@michaelcasey7057]

I read this comment like 15 seconds before it happened, lol. Crazy. Could have made it into the opening sequence of Magnolia.

[@peteraleksandrovich5923]

Police are overworked. Therefore, there is no systemic racism. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[@noweternity3101]

Great interview ! I agree with Coleman Hughes, that there should be better training & more monetary help for the police. What a tragedy for all of us & especially for the vulnerable, if there is no viable police force!

[@MrMurph73]

Coleman Hughes comin' thick and fast in the podcast world, now that he's graduated. Awesome :)

[@zachmorgan6982]

I know I love it

[@jameslector7099]

Man Coleman is brilliant.. he’s my 2032 presidential pick! Let’s GO!!

[@nigelft]

@@jameslector7099 If only ... But my gut instincts says that Mr. Hughes, like Professor McWhorter, is too smart a man to climb into that utter bear pit which is current politics ... ... which, in, and if, itself, is a tragedy. Both over there, in the US, and over here, in the UK, what I see is an utter dearth, and paucity, of smart, erudite, intelligent men, and women, whom seek poltical aspirations, not as ends, but because of a belief in that they have skills, and a desire to put them to use, in order to raise the integrity, and intellectual tone, of their prospective nations. They need to be clear eyed about how poltics is, on both sides of the aisle because, if we're honest, neither sides hands are clean in this mess; but rather than carry on 'business as usual', ask the near impossible: surely we can do vastly more better than this ... Trouble is, such men and women with actute intellect, are wholly unlikely to do so ... after all, this is a game in which the only winning move is not to play ...

[@googletaqiyya184]

If only he had an independent non-brainwashed brain....

[@zel.inette]

James Lector unfortunately he’s stated that he’s not interested in doing such a thing. I doubt he’d change his mind

[@ngonzale3]

You can tell that this man thinks and feels very deeply. God Bless this young man.

[@ambrose0]

Discovering Coleman Hughes was a breath of fresh air, it was like listening to someone from a hoped future. A future where all people of good will can talk about any issue without feeling like they're walking a tightrope.

[@NegativeMass85]

I found this interview soooooo interesting!!! Especially the bit where Coleman talks about why it seems more blacks are shot by cops. He makes a good point about police responding to calls from black neighbourhoods. People should watch more balanced discussions like this. It's more important now than ever.

[@nuqwestr]

Hutu and Tutsi engaged in a race based war and genocide founded on perceived physical differences. Yes, World History tells us it's endemic to human behavior.

[@Steve83B]

For outsiders, most people couldn't tell the difference between the two.

[@nuqwestr]

@@Steve83B Exactly, I read that "ear shape" was one of the "tells" used before they chopped them off. Often in extremely homogeneous groups, the people in them, find other ways to differentiate themselves, like they way they part their hair, or pattern of cloth they dress in. It's endemic to human behavior. We are just afraid to ask the question, WHY, why do we ALL do it?

[@Steve83B]

nuqwestr that’s interesting. There always seems to be a move to establish hierarchies. The human way of doing so seems to be differentiation. Looking at nature as a whole, hierarchy seems to almost be a universal. Back to Rwanda: Have you ever seen the Hutu 10 commandments? Google it. I don’t know how much of that was to blame but it’s an interesting read.

[@nuqwestr]

@@Steve83B Had not heard of Hutu 10 commandment, thanks. I think ours is the baseline from where a real discussion on differentiation should begin. We must also recognize and call out those who weaponize and monetize the black/white issue for status and power. It's funny listening to them rail against hierarchy when all the while seeking top ranking in one themselves. That's why I call them predators.

[@Steve83B]

nuqwestr oddly enough, the authors railing against white people are all also white. Predators seems like a good descriptor. Good KZbin convo by the way.

[@rhys5567]

I adore Mr Hughes. Very rational. Contemplative Careful. Important. Perhaps the most important public intellectual in the modern era. And I dont say that lightly. We are staring down a civil war in the most important Western country when the west must deal with sino relations. We are all black Americans when China tells me what to think. I am an Anglo America Scot in Australia. We need to bind together or I can't see how we can avoid a world war. I am still I conscription age. My best forebearers were soldiers. But I dont want to die in China if we can avoid it. Some of my friends are chinese. I love them. I hate the CPC.

[@salimalloun6413]

I think that is why some like Elon Musk want to live on Mars ! :D

[@karenfornwalt9929]

Glad you pointed out the indentured servitude that the Europeans brought with them to this country in the beginning. My previous husbands ancestors arrived in America on the second ship. They were indentured servants. I have no information about how they were treated. The point I want to make is that everyone has their history. There comes a point where you have to move ahead.

[@JRobbySh]

There were many whites who were actual slaves in the New World. Olivia de Haviland’s first movie was “Captain Blood.” which I saw last night occasions day her recent death. “Peter Blood,” played by Errol Flynn, Is an Irishman, sold to her as a slave. In Jamaica. He then escapes and with other white men becomes a famous and successful pirate. The technical term is “bond servant” and many thousands of them were transported to the Americans. Many convicts were sent to America rather than be executed. The norm term was seven years but so hard was living at that time that most never lived to see the end of their term.

[@susanclark9089]

Ha! Hello possible family member!

[@luke2648]

I like this man he has wisdom...

[@optimatesupport3453]

Google "The Evolutionary Dominance of Ethnocentric Cooperation"

[@luke2648]

Optimate Support so what’s your point?

[@ivandesantis858]

If I owned a publishing company the first thing I would do is find out who Coleman's parents are and pay them to write a book on how to raise a kid with some damn sense. Just the patience and poise he demonstrates and desire to engage in a rational conversation on difficult issues is what makes him so impressive.

[@ALadyBoy]

Young Coleman is on absolute fire lately.

[@KevinSolway]

People naturally have a preference for people who have the same culture and values as themselves. It's not a flaw. If different races have different cultures, then each race will naturally favor themselves.

[@aquilatempestate9527]

Kinship and loyalty is hate. Treason and cowardice is love. However only for European peoples. You must be new around here...

[@optimatesupport3453]

Google "The Evolutionary Dominance of Ethnocentric Cooperation"

[@leonpope861]

I have a preference for people who take growing in the fruit of the Spirit SERIOUSLY That can be anyone 🤭😏🤫! YOU know Love, Joy, Shalom, Longanimity, Benevolence, fidelity, benignity and self possession. Resentment and Disdainment and Hubris is a difficult behaviour to acknowledge and eradicate. 😴🤥🤕Romans 3 is a great place to begin.

[@leonpope861]

Natural does not mean perfect,better or best ,it is a excuse for remaining stagnant in your spiritual growth. Get out your life box and begin examining the box.

[@leonpope861]

My dealing with the police have been mostly benigned.I have had 3 experience that they treated me as if they were unaware of the fruit of the Spirit projecting that on me that I could not possibly be guided by the Holy Spirit!😏🤭🤓

[@scarlet8078]

Great interview. Colman is a credit to NY & America. There are many people of all races who agree with him

[@conchitavegan6948]

Am already a Coleman fan so no surprise there. He nails it every time. Would like to congratulate the interviewer on his ability to clearly communicate and facilitate the conversation/debate. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you so much 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@judithtota8432]

Coleman Hughes is courageous voice of reason. Thank you for inviting him.

[@lilbits4173]

It's always the media who gives comparisons on white and black achievements. It really annoys me when I hear that on the news. I have been a fan of Coleman for months now. He is intelligent beyond his age and I'm thankful you were able to put him on your show, Sir Anderson. Thank you.

[@janetteharness1693]

Thank you for such an enjoyable and informative interview. Your guest was thoughtful, articulate and honest in how he saw the issues. Honesty is quite often missing in these types of discussions.

[@DanaJumper]

Thank you, John. Another excellent interview. You are really adding valuable information into the great conversation.

[@Peter-rg4ng]

Ahh....rational and intelligent discourse. So refreshing! Wonderful interview & content.

[@moniquek8041]

I really appreciated this conversation. On current slavery, I wish you had also mentioned (according to the UN) the 250,000,000 children working as slave labour in the rare earth mines of Africa and China, etc.. 40,000 children alone work in the Cobalt mines of the Congo, some as young as four. These raw materials are sent to China for processing in batteries, solar cells, and other electronics, a great majority of which is used for green energy. Where is the outrage from the environmentalists and human rights organisations? Whenever I see anyone bragging about their solar powered tiny home and lithium batteries I think of these children and the hypocrisy of these conscientious ignorant people.

[@justaguyinmiami]

This is my first time seeing Coleman speak and it needs to be said that he combines a well poised approach with an excellent knowledge of history and well reasoned perspective. Great work young man.

[@louisgauthier1889]

Great conversation. If this type of discussion was allowed into our mainstream media there would be chance of actually fixing these problems. Thank you John and Coleman.

[@jamesberlo4298]

There is "Systemic Racism" sponsored by the Government that has been extreme and overt and codified in Law since the early '70's it is called 'Affirmative action' Example if you were a Caucasian Man taking a Boston Police Civil Service Exam, you would have to score 100% a Perfect Written Score (so He would be one of maybe two dozen that outscored 16,000 others) this perfect score would only get Him in a Lottery to be hired. I save my score Card from 36 years ago to show just how extreme "Systemic Racism" really is (I didn't get picked in the Lottery after two perfect scores)

[@googleisskynet7312]

Exactly. Also, Coleman talks about ways of ending racial biases and stereotypes in this country, and says we're all "built flawed," but leaves out the behaviors of Black people as a contributing factor in the perceptions other races have of them. Why is there less racial biases and negative stereotypes towards Asians in this country in comparison to Blacks? I think everyone knows the answer to that question.

[@IndustryArmyMarketin]

We need more Young Men like this guy to be a spokes person and to be heard. Articulate with a calming demeanour. Brilliant! Nurture vs Nature, and this has so much to do with a community or society. Ive heard only black parents have a talk with their children about how to respond to a cop when you interact with them. My father had this talk with me. And it was simple. Say Yes Sir No Sir. Really didn't need to say much more than that. And really this come down to everyone at anytime. Treat me well and I will do the same in return. Hmmmm? Very nice feeling from this young leader. Maybe there is hope for our future

[@whatmatters4990]

A breath of fresh air! A living, breathing and most important a thinking human being. Thank god for Coleman Hughes! Love

[@ladymanners618]

I really enjoyed this thoughtful discussion and better understand the use and misuse of some of the buzz words within context now.

[@saltynutsman1]

It’s refreshing to see this subject handled in such a thoughtful manner.

[@johnmatrix7003]

First class content with Coleman Hughes. He articulates the true essence and causation of a lot of what we see, hear and feel today. Thank you for your well thought out questions and for giving Coleman the time to answer.

[@audramitchell4921]

Coleman Hughes is a very smart critical thinker and commentator. I would love to see him become revered as a leader of the Black community. I think he could help to solve so many problems connected to race in the U.S.

[@eddietennison1191]

I'm becoming a huge fan of Coleman Hughes...not just because his views mirror my own, which they do....but because he is the most informed, educated voice in this current discussion of race. He makes the most compelling arguments of anyone I've heard......I am coming around to the notion, expressed by some others, that the current BLM and far left obsession with "systemic" racism is a kind of new religion.....not that those people see it that way. It scares me, frankly. Thanks to both of you for your important contribution.

[@123colinfrost]

Well done John, great interview. The more I see and hear from Coleman Hughes the more I like him.

[@juliekemp419]

Coleman is very good in giving context to nuanced understanding. John is just nicely Australian! Racial bias remains however subtle. But it is one among many, aint it?! Deepest ancient history has much to say; i think of Plato and Atlantis of Enki and Thoth and all the rest of the magnificent 'story'. Perennial philosophy and perennial human flaws swing together. GREAT CHAT CHAPS.

[@optimatesupport3453]

Google "The Evolutionary Dominance of Ethnocentric Cooperation"

[@gill_efc]

@Coleman Hughes - I'm very impressed with your demeanor and conduct. Even if I didn't agree with you, I would have to respect you. Your presence demands that and deservedly so. I do agree and support you! Keep it up!

[@swelljohn1411]

Coleman Hughes is a very clear thinking unbiased straight down the line thinker. He sees things objectively from all angles.

[@paminpalm2078]

What a lovely young man. I don't think he is a practicing Christian, but what he really speaks about is the sin nature in us, which will never be erased until Jesus comes back. But I am thankful for his calm nature and the truth he speaks. Blessings on Coleman

[@lorrainewilliams9653]

Coleman Hughes is wise. It would be great if he could work to over come this hysteria.

[@AB-qt4dj]

The hysteria is the chosen way to get people to vote. It is about winning over power. The victims of riots are cannon fodder. The irrational voter is a pond. And very little will happen on any racism that still exists.

[@peterepiscopo]

Coleman's KZbin channel deserves way more subscribers!

[@suesmith2183]

John Anderson fleshes out all the important issues. "Institutional racism"? What about the discrimination which exists for white people, particularly poor white people who cannot get bank loans, mortgages etc. I watched the film "The Best Years of Our Lives", made in 1946. Soldiers returning from the European theatre of war couldn't get loans because they had "no collateral". So, please choose your discrimination - it doesn't pertain exclusively to black Americans, and never has.

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

The Irish, Japanese, Vietnamese, jews etc etc . Everybody struggled , buckled down and rose up

[@noaheinstein2369]

Sue Smith, were white poor people redlined by banks? No.

[@71andrewmac]

@@noaheinstein2369 yes they are.

[@noaheinstein2369]

Andrew Macdonald, check the facts. Redlining is over technically and legally, but yes it continues in some cases of necessity on an individual basis. If a poor White lives in a dilapidated house worth almost nothing, because he hasn’t maintained, he cannot get a mortgage or 2nd mortgage on that house. His house is not of enough value to serve as collateral. If his individual employment record is bad, even spotty, and his credit is less than top rated, then he cannot get a bank loan or a government backed mortgage, or a loan for education. Same with an individual black person. But that’s very different from a bank, or the FHA, redlining an entire section of the town, say 2,000 houses, because they were owned by Black people in the 1930’s, 40’s and 50’s. See the systemic difference? If a black man had a decent job for years in the 1940’s and 50’s, and had a good credit rating, still he could not get a US Government-backed mortgage or loan BECAUSE his house was inside the red line (meaning a black neighborhood). So he and millions of other black families had to continue renting instead of buying, thus throwing their money away, and leaving no “wealth accumulation” (house) for the next generation. The white Landlords made a killing on their black tenants in run-down houses. The landlords never repaired or maintained them, and laughed all the way to the bank. Today, If a black OR white individual has no education, no steady employment, and no house good enough for collateral, he or she cannot get a mortgage or loan. That’s economic reality. But that’s NOT the same as redlining an entire section of town because of skin color. Do you not know that congress passed banking laws at that time providing money for white developers to build white-only housing developments in the suburbs, and outlawing bank loans to “negroes” who lived inside redlined negro districts? It was a legal means of keeping Black people out of the new white suburbs. You didn’t know that? Really? Look it up. If you don’t know that, you probably don’t know that industry and corporations THEN moved OUT of urban areas and into the suburbs in the late 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, leaving blacks STUCK in the city with NO JOBS, not even janitorial jobs because the big employers moved to the suburbs. And guess what? There was no public transportation to the suburbs, no way for people in the inner city to take a bus to jobs the jobs that moved to the suburbs. Because there were no buses to whiteville. See how that worked? The suburbs didn’t allow city buses into their posh green communities. It was all part of the sophisticated bankers plan, and the federal government’s plan (congress) and white suburban town councils “zoning plans” that formed a united, invisible racist system to control black people and keep them out of the suburbs. But of course you knew that already.

[@71andrewmac]

@@noaheinstein2369 any chance that at any point, the choices of individuals was to blame on any way? The issues you speak of were 50 to 60 years ago and rather than being widespread, were quite rare. You clearly didn't listen to anything discussed in this video.

[@Roadrunnerz45]

thank you john for interviewing coleman.

[@cristinalacoste2062]

Coleman has his finger on the pulse. No wonder he gets grief. He tells the truth and those that don't want to see change hate that.

[@maracozzi4421]

Coleman is the best!

[@ns81]

I'm at peak "IDW responding to wokeness" (not that I disagree, just that I need a break). But I'll always listen to Coleman.

[@robinwells8879]

What breaks my heart is that despite multiple fantastic role models for humanity in general like Nelson Mandela, Jesse Jackson and even Coleman himself to name but a few, youth in general and Black and Hispanic youth in particular choose Gangsta role models and then wonder at the response from society that they encounter as a result. Many underprivileged groups appear to me to choose to cling to their ignorance like a crucifix or some sort of badge of honour. If we could address this, I believe that we will help the situation vastly. Education is a persons ticket to freedom and yet is held in no esteem in just the circles where it is needed most. Just thinking of the wasted human potential that this represents is humbling.

[@markcounseling]

Robin Wells A negative self-image is a terrible thing. And it's not fixable through placating, fake trophies, or pity parties. Unless a person comes to self-love through some sort of spiritual realization, he or she has to develop some true feeling of self-worth by doing worthwhile things. I agree, the Gangsta persona trip is the opposite. It's creating an inverse meritocracy, so the worse you do, the badder (better) you are. Extremely difficult problem.

[@johnjames6620]

Why is Nelson Mandela a good role model?

[@scotchmorrison2579]

Jackson is really racist.

[@robinwells8879]

John James Early in his time I would agree but later in life Mandela showed what I would class as remarkable judgement and humanity. His concept of a forgiveness and reconciliation culture was inspired because it parked the actions of both sides to allow progress which may never have been possible in a culture such as that we are seeing today. The SJW/BLM shower could learn a lot from his model.

[@robinwells8879]

Scotch Morrison That's interesting. Can you share your thoughts?

[@davidschaffer6271]

This intelligent down to earth and real; as in great black man - is what a true American is all about. . . Love any human being that has the heart and mind to do what is good and reasonably for America!!!

[@jimsteffel]

Thank you for the sane voice.

[@ORagnar]

Excellent interview. It seems that the family structure is vital when the family is teaching positive values. As I understand it, it is welfare state incentives since the 1960s that have caused the disintegration of black families. Before that time black families were more likely to be in tact than white families.

[@RavMan40]

Brilliant ....Brilliant...Brilliant........Thank You for this educated Balanced View.

[@stockman214]

Excellent interview! More Coleman Hughes please!

[@earthamcdermott3253]

colman hughes thoughtful analysis is a welcome antidote to the toxic mainstream

[@a-maxcoin7549]

10:45 "We are built flawed". I'd say we're built differently and we have a free will.

[@szendrich]

I see a future president in this young man. His thinking and the way he articulates his ideas are calm, rational, logical, and exemplary. I hope he will run for politics one day. I heard him say in one interview that he's not interested in politics. I think he should seriously reconsider. The world needs people like Coleman Hughes not Barack Obama, who widened the divide when he had the perfect opportunity to abolish it.

[@qpc1263]

I agree except he's likely too nice of a guy

[@szendrich]

@@qpc1263 True, but he's still young. he's only 22! Which is amazing in itself, because he thinks like an old, wise man. :) I think he'll change with age, in a good way. He'll want to change things and that'll give him the drive.

[@norawheeler2555]

I am glad he mentions Mauritania where slavery was legal until 1981 and when they made it illegal they never emancipated those slaves. Why is there no focus on that??? It's horrific.

[@joelwilliams3115]

Great conversation... Coleman is very level headed and rationale. He should be elevated as high as possible in public discourse.

[@pabis6817]

I absolutely love listening to Coleman. I have never once felt like anything he says was corrupted by known falsehood.

[@lesam424]

Thank you very much John and Coleman for this talk. I feel so few people in US are willing to rationally critique behavior and will carry the current motto without thinking

[@marianmalcolm4199]

I had a dream where I saw a BLM Help Wanted Ad: “Young Black Martyrs, We want you. All you need is a camera phone, and the belief that you have the special right to resist arrest no matter what crime you committed. Thanks in advance for your sacrifice comrade. More deaths means more donations and political positions for our cause.” I think the leaders of BLM would agree with the ad, however they wouldn’t say it publicly.

[@rivernessmariposa6184]

BLM is against the nuclear family. Says it right on their website. More kids in single parent homes have statistically higher chances of criminal behavior. BLM encourages riots, more violent riots and looting will increase the chances of a negative interaction with police, which increases the chances of another death, thus fueling more donations to BLM. The more black people are seen looting the more it strengthens the reactionary distrust against them by the police. So the vicious cycle continues.

[@markcowan336]

Coleman and John, excellent conversation.....very insightful

[@katharinedavis4947]

This young man is very intelligent and well read . Not necessarily educated, that doesn't always help, but he has read widely and usefully. Therefore he has a very well balanced view . K

[@brianwade8649]

Awesome discussion! 56 years old but I learned a few things.

[@vacuousvoid]

I'm a new covert to Coleman Hughes, I heard him speak recently on Brett Weinsteins' round table and found his rational pragmatism, and articulation of his views very cogent and equally refreshing. I felt frustrated listening to this conversation trying to counter the more hysterical and hyperbolic arguments circulating in the online zeitgeist. I felt this did a disservice to Coleman. I can't help but think that addressing social media tropes of the day takes breath away from the progression of enlightened dialogue. I find this especially true when the tropes are so simply debunked with data. This is the Twain equivalent of arguing with stupid people. Surely the best path to promoting better thinking is highlighting better ideas rather than dwelling on those of which are so obviously flawed. My gut feeling is that anyone watching this learned nothing other than "Coleman Hughes is a reasonable and articulate guy and thinks like me". I don't think this conversation realised its potential given the intellectuals involved. *EDIT: Grammar.

[@andykenyon2607]

Perhaps the interview could have been better in some way but it was still good.

[@vacuousvoid]

@@andykenyon2607 I don't disagree. Criticism was intended to be constructive. I generally find John's interviews informative and satisfying to listen to. This one just felt different.

[@em3sis]

​@@vacuousvoid I feel like if you've never heard Coleman before, this interview was fantastic. I know his positions on a lot but this appeared to accomplish 2 goals 1. to reach an audience that may have not had insight into his views before and 2. Speaking practice on his established points.

[@mikegeeguitarman8991]

Coleman Hughes is amazing. Salutations fine sir. Love this programme. Keep it up JA

[@BeldnerFilms]

Great interview. Thanks for keeping this conversation going. I hope it gets amplified more and more. Thanks guys.

[@becky8437]

Coleman Hughes - thank you - for helping me to make sense of all of this. I'm trying so hard to educate myself but there is so much rhetoric and it's so confusing for someone like me who is pretty simple. I just read Ibram Kendi's How to be an Anti-Racist and that book just thoroughly confused me. You have shined a light!

[@garyhughes7518]

Read the world socialist website

[@cptnbennett]

We need Coleman Hughes’s voice shouted far and wide.

[@patacorn]

Thank you both for a very welcome conversation.

[@annbrucepineda8093]

Cotton production, still so important today, required manual labor, people so desperate that even in El Salvador in recent times, people were allowed to come from Nicaragua to pick the cotton because local people were no longer desperate enough to do it. It is grown in very hot areas with almost no shade. The cotton boll looks pretty in a picture, almost like a flower, but those “petals” are hard and can cut the hands of the picker. Who wears cotton more than those of the left? Cotton clothing, cotton sheets and towels are always preferred. Nobody thinks about where the cotton comes from.

[@elaineblack3692]

Im impressed and a new fan of Coleman Hughes!

[@ChromaToneMusic]

Intelligence Gasm listening to you both!

[@pn5721]

17:58 about there still being slavery in Mauritania... John Anderson's great phrase about airbrushing out portions of history. 18:12 Aborigines in Australia, worst thing to do is take away the aborigines's agency (agency = making their OWN decisions)

[@chicsharp5786]

Very intelligent discussion. Another factor overlooked is the disparity between Blacks and Whites in the UK. For example those on JSA here, are sometimes 'Sanctioned' there money is reduced... Now there is no stats in this from what I can see (System doesn't wanna know the answers) but most Whites will tell you Black people are hardly ever sanctioned. Fear of reaction benefits Blacks from what I see and although that may be understanding it certainly doesn't benefit Race Relations.

[@dukepalatinemmxx2098]

Very balanced, insightful and articulate young man! How did he escape the dystopian zombie apocalypse programming?

[@leslieinman1380]

Listen to more of Coleman's interviews and podcasts..... he talks about how his mind changed over time. He used to wear a t-shirt with all the names of black people killed by cops, then he read more, looked at more data and now he can give you the names of all the white people who died in exactly the same way at the hands of the cops. America has a lot of guns and the cops are equally violent towards all races when they have to be.

[@gantmj]

The number of ads on this video is insane.

[@dawnmuir5052]

Fantastic interview with Coleman Hughes, a brilliant, articulate, well-informed, balanced guest. I hope this young man continues to grow in influence.

[@HumanDignity10]

People are listening to you Coleman - please keep up the good work!

[@chaneyburlin8077]

What's the intro music?

Coleman is very balanced and well read.

[@homenj3897]

Mr. Anderson, Might I suggest you read some of the writings from an American black named; Thomas Sowell, an Economist with excellent insight on the topic both as a black American and respected intellectual. His working knowledge is far better as a black, than whites and based on data and history.

[@LeviNotik]

John is a fantastic interviewer.

[@HouseofHungRealness]

6:30 Should be on a banner!!!!!

[@Papa0John]

Nice to see a discussion that touches all bases. I like Mr Hughes analogy that he insists others use their feet to score a goal. One thing I wonder about concerning the likelihood of officers to manhandle more often with black suspects than white... could it be the inclination to resist arrest or even the expectation that arrest will be resisted. A question of respecting authority once confronted if you will. If so, one would only expect this statistic to necessarily increase given the encouragement and justification to resist so called "injustice" in this climate. Once again pointing to the question: is the left actually helping or hurting. I'll leave you to that answer.

[@dodieodie498]

Especially now, I think it is so much more possible to break the cycles of dysfunctional family dynamics. I have seen so many people move out and move on, and make decisions that broke generational patterns. I suppose it depends on how willing the individual is to get there. It takes courage certainly. And personal application. Sometimes it means breaking family bonds or staying away from friends who bring you down or pressure you into the old ways of thinking. I have met quite a few firsts...the first to graduate college. The first to live completely welfare free. The first to own her own home. In one family, I know of two sons. One got involved with drugs and went to jail. One steered clear, finished high school, attended tech school and now holds a job. His older brother resents him. I know of another woman who left an abusive man with next to nothing. They had been members of a cult. She managed somehow, and her daughter went on to graduate, marry a good man and get a good job. Their ties to the family were cut in many ways, but now the pattern is broken. And another lady...got pregnant out of wedlock, but then went to work and held steady. Now she is working at a college in a well paid administrative position of business. Whatever rung we have to start out on, we all have to take hold of the ladder. We all have to decide to climb.

[@dillon5553]

I found your channel a week ago, and since finding it, I have heard some excellent interviews. Absolutely awesome. These wonderful minds need to be heard, and your channel is carrying that message. Thank you! Subscribed and shared

[@peteristevski3681]

Fantastic conversation gents! John, if you get the chance, please have a conversation with either Glen Loury or John McWhorter.