Revenge of the Sith | KnockBack: The Retro and Nostalgia Podcast Episode 220

[@Alderslayer]

I am 23 now and I absolutely love Revenge of the Sith, if I could only pick one movie to watch for the rest of my life I would watch Revenge of the Sith. I understand that the movie is a bit of a mess but to me there is no better lore and world then Star Wars at this point in time and I absolutely love it.

[@legofreak20]

It would be spider man 3 for me but revenge of the sith is a close second

[@Courier_333]

@@legofreak20 how Spider-Man 3 when Spider-Man 2 is better in every way

[@timgimmy609]

@@Courier_333 because being a contrarian makes you smarter than everyone else obviously

[@Courier_333]

@@timgimmy609 Sam Raimi is my fav director but Spider-Man 3 is a disappointment compared to the masterpiece that is 2 lol

[@timgimmy609]

@@Courier_333 yes everyone but that guy knows that

[@NathanielBolt]

This video helped me to understand not just why people form your generation don’t like the prequels but also why my generation don’t like the sequels. It’s all about expectations. You had time to have set expectations on how Vader came to be, I didn’t watch the original trilogy till I saw episode 3. Like wise my generation had time to get excited for what came after episode 6, only to have our expectations squandered. Younger audiences watched the sequels right after watching the other films, they had no time to expect anything else!

[@kevinkomaki7392]

My coworkers and I say "I got the high ground!" on a daily basis

[@killerdude35]

I love Sith but it without question has THE most painful dialogue exchange in the entire prequel trilogy... Anakin: You are so beautiful. Padme: It's because I'm so in love.. Anakin: No. No. It's because I'm so in love with YOU. Padme: So love has blinded you?? Ughhh!! Kill me now!

[@chrisrocksteady7]

Best movie quote of all time is in this movie. "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause."

[@SC0RPI0NFURY]

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." Yoda.

[@Nicolas-Kage]

One of the strangest things in this movie to me is when Dooku drops a balcony on Obi-Wan and his whole body skates a couple feet over.

[@juansalazar9396]

It's so sad that there is a connective tissue called Clone Wars Show(CGI one) between Episode II & III and that it was mentioned so little here. Understandable given that they probably haven't seen it, and that they just want to focus on the movie itself and judge it by its own merits. Indeed the movie it's mediocre and has a bunch of padding, but I personally like it! However, The Clone Wars show imo adds a lot of context to the movies and now I see the prequels in a different light, so hopefully one day they'll get to see it!

[@Matt_Man_94]

“I love my southern guys.” -Colin Moriarty, 2022

[@optimusmirf]

no shit I know they've joked about it in the past but, I would definitely watch a podcast of just the Moriarty bros talking about the nuance of home ownership. legitimately learned more in 20 minutes than I have in my whole life living on my own.

[@NadoMD]

This is the best one. That’s all!

[@daganmoriarty1973]

how dare you

[@artychris25]

Stand down!

[@desertgsrider1]

I'm so buying one of those Stand Down shirts! Love it!

[@DoggyP00]

Your criticism of the prequels is accurate enough, but it's weird how hypocritical you are towards the same critiques towards the original trilogy. It's not even that you don't address them, you just make them out to be the opposite in the original trilogy. How are you going to pretend like 90% of the original trilogy battles aren't also just cannon fodder toys mashing into faceless toys? That said I'm not surprised yall were so harsh on episode 3, despite it being one of my favorites of the series. Episode 3 is a prequel ass movie. There's no hidden potential or hidden paths that they might have alluded to, it's just what it wants to be at face value.

[@juan14c]

Yes! 100%

[@RayCharlizard]

@Dagan, Leia in the original trilogy doesn't know she's adopted. She's Leia Organa when we meet her, the mother she refers to as knowing as a child is the wife of Senator Organa. It's not retconned that she was talking about Padme in the OT, we just don't know in A New Hope that she's actually a Skywalker.

[@plo617]

To be fair, when Luke says "Do you remember your mother?" He emphasizes "Your real mother" right afterwards. However, her remembering Padme could've been (being the offspring of Anakin) some latent Jedi ability to recall the images and feelings that she saw/felt right before Padme died.

[@RayCharlizard]

@@plo617 you're right! Forgot about the rest of the context of that scene. I relenquish a nerd card to you and Dagan. 😆

[@BigAngBaracus]

Annie being soft kicked into a fatal roll was hysterical but telling Lucas to grow up made me guffaw for some reason. I'm sick 😂

[@Not_Liquid]

My powers have doubled since the last time we met COUNT.

[@Leezy810]

Only a master of evil, DARTH.

[@RicoSeattle]

A couple corrections: that was not Coruscant that was blown up in The Force Awakens (it was some different planet, thank god. I like Coruscant.) And I believe R2-D2's memory was also erased. Edit: R2’s memory was actually not erased.

[@dirtyflint2175]

R2s memory is not erased. They only say to wipe the protocol droids.

[@RicoSeattle]

@@dirtyflint2175 Ah, okay. My mistake.

[@STJebus]

I've always interpreted the dark side not as a hill you descend but a pit you fall into. So once Anakin dips his toe in, he is consumed by the dark side of the force. You don't slowly become more and more evil. You are overwhelmed by the negative emotions and the power

[@nicktomlinson6494]

There is certainly an age divide between the fans of each trilogy. I feel most of the older crowd will stick with the original trilogy and in 7-8 years from now I'm sure we will see a rise in more sequel trilogy fans. I'm 22 and ROTS has always been my favorite of the saga, and all of my friends who like Star Wars very much love the prequels as well.

[@HeyFella]

One thing people don’t seem to understand about the prequels is Lucas’s intent when it comes to the dialogue and acting. He was trying to replicate the sensibilities common in old Hollywood so the performance styles are more theatrical and the dialogue more melodramatic. Hayden Christianson is going for a James Dean like angst. There’s even shots directly lifted from John Ford films of the era. Not to mention the 50’s diner and teen love story. It makes sense as the original trilogy despite its many influences from pulpy adventure serials was very much steeped in the new Hollywood sensibilities it was born out of. Naturally the prequels would try to reflect something that proceeded that. The look of the prequels is also something I don’t think people view through the right lens to truly appreciate. These movies were leaning into digital artifice. Films like Speed Racer and Sin City would take further advantage of this. It’s the juxtaposition between the very real physical people and the obvious illusion around them that gives the films their own unique aesthetic that makes them distinct from the original trilogy. They’re like a doorway into the past and the future at the same time in terms of their visual and tonal presentation which is appropriate as they were released at the turn of the century, it makes sense then to be looking back and look forward. It’s not rewriting history to act like there’s any merit to the prequels, there’s been plenty of intellectual film critics who’ve written pretty compelling positive work on them. I doubt anyone will be doing that with the sequel trilogy in a decade. The Disney films are functionally cinematic tracing. They give off the facade of competency and while enjoyable on a surface level glance don’t offer anything new. I don’t mean to take away from anyones enjoyment of those but there’s very little heart in them. They’re soulless corporate produces and yes some people involved did care and tried really hard but the surrounding context in which they were made tended to make the execution a failure. I think maybe some kids will grow up and have fond memories of them but they won’t get that same reevaluation because there’s no central artist behind them injecting them with interesting concepts and ideas. There’s frankly just not enough to analyze in those films. They’re exactly what they appear to be on the surface. Even if you still hate the prequels they’re significantly more interesting to talk about.

[@michaelgranger146]

I know you boys have done your idea of what the sequel trilogy would have been but Colin talking about how Maul should have been the villain for the trilogy made me want this from your two for the prequels too. No worries if you are not feeling that.

[@lowerclassbrats77]

I was born in 78 so I grew up on the Originals. Revenge of the Sith is my favorite of the Prequels and better than every entry in the Disney sequel trilogy. Rogue one is the only great Disney Star Wars film and Solo was pretty decent.

[@MitchellMiller1]

I'm laughing my ass off @1:07:35 because if you look up the intro to the original "Clone Wars" theatrical film, this is EXACTLY what George Lucas did lol.

[@josejalaeno73]

I like the prequels since they’re the ones I grew up with, but I fully realize that they’re really not good movies (they have highs but plenty of lows as well). Still, I enjoy them for what they are nonetheless. I think there’s a lesson to be learned for not only Star Wars fans, but fandoms as a whole: you can love something while simultaneously accepting said thing’s flaws. Something I like about the prequels: I think Lucas really nailed the feeling of a Greek tragedy with those 3 films.

[@mylesbradley3319]

Laughed out loud at the half kick into the lava 🤣

[@rubhan94]

12:10 I think this guy Randall Carlson explained a few years ago that humans might not have been the cause for all the mammoths and other animals dying off about 12k years ago. Something about a big flooding happening because he found evidence of how the landscape was formed. NASA also found this asteroid impact site in the Greenland ice that could correlate to Carlson's findings.

[@LoneWolfBrian]

Sure the dialogue can be consistently cringe and meme-worthy. But something not touched on here is the subtle displays of character arc from Anakin’s beginning to his end as darth Vader. It’s a miracle that through his entire life he was considered an outcast and dealt with constant loss that was out of his power even though he is told he has the potential to do anything, and still have some sort of light in him even in his fall as Vader. His story alone considering all of the extended lore is always the most outstanding and poetic piece of Star Wars lore to me. I think revenge of the sith and Haden’s role in it can be seen as divisive but I think he had very subtle and convincing ways of showing he’s constantly torn on the inside. When you focus more on his subtle aspects, it gives the film a lot more depth.

[@Giablo1]

Love this film, it was also voted the favorite Star Wars film on a poll with thousands of people on the Star Wars website, bummed you guys didn't like it

[@johnnada6855]

Something people don´t seem to notice is that the original STARWARS, the 70´s movie was like., The Never Ending Story or something., was really a kinda childish movie., also was not new, there were several movies like it., and after starwars there were several movies like it., i think the "turning point" was the second movie but that one didn´t had George Lucas as a director., Lucas did American Graffiti and he was very involved with Spielberg, and spielberg also always have that "childish almost Disney" touch to it´s movies even something like Forest Gump has like a touch or filther of "familiy stuff", the "remakes" of the old trilogy that Lucas made in the 90s for example reflects Lucas mind, he always saw Starwars as something like "willow" or something., like a children´s fantasy movie series but in space.,but when other people touched starwars the interpretation was different., in Phantom Menace you can see Lucas making again a children´s movie and of course people didn´t get it., and on the other two he kinda was forced to make it more "serious" and action based so he almost cut Jar jar for example., so at the end of the day, people didn´t get Lucas and had other interpretations of Starwars, maybe new stuff must be made and let starwars be what it really is., an 80s movie series

[@DuckyDoGaming]

The worst thing about the generator is it's not just like there's a lawn mower over your daily life that is going on, it's a lawn mower breaking the dead silence of nobody having power. I have no frame of reference, but I'd honestly probably do it, especially with work from home. Currently I just battery backups on my Internet and PC, so I can get an hour or so of work with the power out.

[@MadmansKnowledge]

I didn’t like this movie that much before I saw The Clone Wars (2008 series). But that show fleshed out every single aspect of this movie that once you get to it after watching the show, it just feels like a live-action (well, kinda LOL) finale. Yes there’s still dumb things in the movie but it’s much easier to just laugh at them and move on when the show did all the heavy lifting in terms of story to make this movie actually feel like a meaningful payoff.

[@timgimmy609]

I get that perspective but for me it makes it even more frustrating when this unlimited budget, ultra hyped blockbuster is outclassed by a cartoon network spinoff of a forgotten spinoff movie.

[@MadmansKnowledge]

@@timgimmy609 With time, I’ve just accepted that that’s how it is. A big budget doesn’t mean something will be better just like animation doesn’t mean something will be bad. And for the record, The Clone Wars movie was made to promote and start the show, the show is not a spin-off of it.

[@timgimmy609]

@@MadmansKnowledge what im saying is the movie has zero excuse to be as incompetent as it is

[@juan14c]

It's also easier to play a story over hundreds of hours than in 3 hours.

[@MadmansKnowledge]

@@timgimmy609 Yeah, you’re right. But we’re fortunate that we got this amazing show afterwards that patched up the story and brought some life to the era.

[@b2lamborgini]

I always find the different prequel experiences based on age interesting. I’m 25 and while I remember loving episodes 1-3 on early watches as a kid, I like them progressively less each time I rewatch. I tend to side with Colin where I don’t like many world and character choices, to me even the world design feels plain at times compared to the originals (although mustafar has some great spots). While 3 is undoubtedly the best of the prequels in my eyes I can’t get behind thinking any of them are good movies. Alas, I’m happy there are others out there that enjoy them

[@Squeenix1]

The prequels are beloved today.

[@TheJmack90]

Does that make them good movies?

[@visual_sanctum]

There are only 2 legitimately good Star Wars movies (Empire & Jedi), but Revenge of the Sith, to me, is clearly the best of the prequels. I would even put it ahead of A New Hope, from a strictly entertainment perspective. It's the 3rd act of a trilogy. All the important shit happens here: Anakin's turn, Palpatine's reveal, Order 66, the Jedi in exile... Almost nothing of consequence occurs in either 1 or 2, aside from just meeting Anakin. At least 3 gave us SOMETHING to care about, even if it isn't the most well executed. There are still emotional elements here that don't exist with any of the other two.

[@ianbravogaming]

I can safely say that my dad who saw the Original trilogy in theatres as a kid loves the prequels. Not every aspect but a lot of the lore

[@nicc8268]

I still think this is my favorite of the star wars films, but you sold me on the "you're breaking my heart" being a terrible line.

[@tonydub98]

To this day it drives me INSANE the way Anakin gets the name Darth Vader. Anakin becomes evil and Palpatine is just like, “your name is now Darth Vader” with no explanation. Where did he come up with that name??

[@dantesilvermine5160]

You're forgetting several key things. One we don't know exactly the meaning and why of sith titles. But more importantly palpatine sees the future, he's known anakin will be his apprentice for years at that point

[@chknrsandTBBTROX73]

I don’t understand how this can’t be at least in the Top 3 Star Wars

[@dunngeoncrawlers6910]

I don’t understand how they can say the scene with the youngling taking out a few clones and then being taking out was cool and like 45 secs later Colin saying “ it’d be cool if they had like little glimpses of what happened to the younglings and like seeing them fight or trying to escape and getting taken down” and then act like it’s a brilliant idea and how couldn’t they think of it… so weird. I love this podcast and they can have their opinion for sure, it was just strange.

[@Friendway]

Not de aging either of them. It's ten years after episode 3!

[@juan14c]

I love you guys but a lot of your points are so.....I don't know. They are so out of touch. But not in a bad way. Star Wars is so much more than just the original trilogy. It's so much more than legends. I love what has happened to the Star Wars universe after the original trilogy. I still adore it. But what they did with the prequels, the clone Wars, rebels, and now the sequels. It's so much more than it ever was. It connects it and yet it's different.

[@ethroptur5266]

I used to have a hamster named Biscuit when I was a child.

[@dementedavenger2784]

There is no darkside. There is no lightside. There is only the force.

[@bdre5555]

From jar jar.. to a stump in flames.

[@quezcatol]

KOTOR remake on ps5 is gonna get some of that star wars love back in gaming!

[@grashoprsmith]

"Dorf"

[@remylebaou1]

🙄 sometimes it's just hard man. To get anything done when there's too many 🧑‍🍳👩‍🍳 in the kitchen.

[@BrokerCast]

Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 really really enhanced this movie for me and makes the payoff of order 66 huge. You really get to see the Jedi for what they truly are in that game. People go on and on about how arrogant and dogmatic they were, but at the end of the day they were really just cowards. I recommend watching "you were afraid" on youtube to see what I'm talking about. You're right that opinions on this movie are a generational divide, but it is more than just that though. Some opinions on this this movie are going to rely on how invested you are into the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

[@johncmousley]

might be my favourite mainline star wars film and for clarity, wouldn't put any of the sequels in my top three star wars films

[@thesurge242]

I'm in agreement with Col in feeling episode 1 is the better of the three, and they get progressively worse. Ep 1 had amazing kinetic artistry in the final duel and it felt more grounded with more practical locations and effects.

[@nickaudette3315]

Crazy fact about Revenge of the Sith is that it takes place over 4 days. 4. Wild that Anakin goes from buddy buddy with Obi-Wan to slaughtering younglings in 4 days.

[@ZacharyFinn]

Wait... Padme was that close to giving birth. WTF

[@ccam7802]

i don't think that's specifically true, that just stemmed from one article .i.e on persons opinion looking at how many sleeps anakin had on screen etc etc

[@ZacharyFinn]

@@ccam7802 it makes sense when you compare it to the Clone Wars finale though

[@dantesilvermine5160]

@@ZacharyFinn does the clone wars say day 1, day 2 etc etc with title cards? Never watched it. But reminds how people assumed Luke was training on dagobah for a couple days not taking into account movie short form story telling, when in fact it was months

[@TheJmack90]

Can we get a knockback on the first Turtles movie tho???? 👀

[@sebzilla_ogkilla261]

The battle between Anakin and oniwon makes it worth it. Period .

[@deathproof8732]

I'm 45 and Revenge is the only prequel film I consider watching again. Phantom and Attack are cancer to me. I hate hate hate hate hate the prequels

[@bigolpancake9136]

Moriarty Bros > Super Mario Bros

[@MDLeviathan90]

It's funny to watch how different generations react to these movies, especially the characters aimed at children. As a kid I didn't hate Jar-Jar until I was told to hate him by a lot of the fans of the OT. Looking at them again now as I am older, I dislike Jar-Jar, but love the Gungans. I don't like the Ewoks because jumping back and forth between the death star scenes and the teddy bears ruins the tone for me. I am sure I would feel differently if I watched it when I was a kid. The Porgs just scream at you.... I'm sure kids will still enjoy Porgs provided they don't run into disgruntled fans eager to tell them how everything should be.

[@bdre5555]

The prequel trilogy is great, and always has been. Of course it will never equal the greatness of the original trilogy, but they are fantastic in their own right. And light years better than the trash that is the Disney trilogy. I'm quite shocked at the guys opinions of this movie, I absolutely love Revenge of the Sith. It's a 9/10 imo

[@Hs022]

ok…

[@AtotheZness]

May the 4th be with you!

[@johnnada6855]

PIGs are not good as pets,. you can have them if you got a farm or something., but pigs are animals that need space and need to be outside, also they carry lots of dangerous stuff on their skins, yes farm animals are 2nd grade level of "domestic" animals., animals that can interact with humans., but are not for living inside the house or having close contact., you got to understand that is not the "animals fault" but trully we can´t interact with everything in nature., just because something is natural it doesn´t mean it is "good" for us., after all that´s why humans created houses and clothes., cause the natural world is not completly good., so do not have pigs unless you have a farm

[@TheRealFlytroop]

fortunately or unfortunately, pretty soon the target demographic will only know Yoda by word of mouth

[@cthulhu888]

Ive been waiting for yalls take on this one, definitely hit a lot of points I've had since its release. Taking it in as its own movie and as a part of the trilogy ad a whole feel like completely different experiences. I always had a soft spot for episode I myself, i wish they had carried more over from it into ep 3, especially with the cgi effects that aged horribly, ep1 had a good bit of practically to feel real and nostalgic. Overall it just felt like a part 2 to clones and everything felt crammed in like the harry potter films where they jump from scene to scene but at least with those we have the books to fill in the blanks. Overall i do have a lot of renewed hope for the obi wan series even tho disney's got a lot to prove after the sequels

[@chaserseven2886]

every time i hear about star wars im reminded of high school where i was accused of watching star wars

[@iceman333933]

This movie is so tough for me...i saw it when I was 14 but I actually read the Matthew Stover novelization of it before seeing the movie and it was spectacular and I think that's what I think of the most with this movie. I still really enjoy it but definitely see it's flaws (I can't watch the "so love has blinded you?" scene...)

[@johnnada6855]

PRIDE was suppose to be the "unbalance of the force" that the Jedi couldn´t see, they were blinded., the question is, was Palpatine the one that trapped the Jedi into pride?., cause they were suppose to be a reclusive monastery type of warriors., and they became the galaxy sheriffs, who put the Jedi as the official galaxy "cops" ?., was Palpatine ?, that was the start of the problem., and the Sith are Jedi., are Jedi fallen into pride and searched for power, that´s the darkside of the force, the search of ego, power, pride and anger

[@mattsanders2207]

Episode 3 is my shit.

[@ccam7802]

revenge of the sith = the best star wars movie 1.ROTS 2. ESB 3. ROTJ 4.ANH 5.PM 6.AOTC -The disney fan fic shite in whatever order you please

[@DamnFineCupOfCoffee]

In some ways, the best of the prequels, but in more ways, the worst. The production design and art direction in particular are atrocious. Grevious’s ship and some of the planets in the Order 66 montage felt like they were from some tv b-movie. And Dagan said it right when he said it’s like Rise of Skywalker. Before the third movie, there’s still hope that they’ll stick the landing, but it falls way short, and with the most important moments of the story.

[@johnnada6855]

The Prequels are really good movies., and far superior to the "Disney trilogy"., yes there are some bad parts but come on., there is a lot good., you can take parts of each movies and make the perfect "starwars like" movie,. the Two Jedis, podracing., queen amidala., the fight against darth maul on the first one., on the second one i liked Coruscant, the futuristic city and Mace Windu, on the thrid one i liked the fight agaisnt Count Dooku, General Grievus looked cool, kinda liked the fight., Palpatine was great messing up Anakin and of course the final fight was great., on the Disney movies everything sucks, including Rogue one, i hated that movie

[@matthewchrist9082]

I’m sorry but if you think this movie is good, no matter what age you are, you have questionable taste and low standards

[@jasonbower7763]

I genuinely feel bad for anyone who says Revenge of the Sith is their favorite movie... They must have a legitimate cognitive problem.

[@farmerdean3791]

Is this really 2 guys in their 40s hating Revenge of the Sith for 2 hours & 40 mins.

[@Olie986]

No, Colin isn't 40 yet.

[@mrtruth5192]

I mean surely your not surprised they didn't like it? Did you even watch the previous videos? If not why are you here? Not everyone needs to have the same opinion as you for you to enjoy the content. I love revenge of the sith, it's probably my 1st or 2nd favourite star wars movie. Yet I still like hearing there opinions on it.

[@farmerdean3791]

Look if can't laugh at them saying it felt 5 hours long then preceding to talk for another 2 hours, I'm not here. Firstly arguing semantics. Colin's turning 38 & Dagan's turning 49, but I couldn't possibly mean their* age at 43.5. So please do tell me I can't say "2 guys in their 40s". Secondly, bro you're assuming heaps about me. I have watched their* previous videos in the series so I'm not surprised. I am very capable of enjoying content I disagree with. I've been a fan of Colin since Podcast Beyond. It appears that you're a bigger Revenge of the Sith fan than me as it's my 4th favourite. So by all means rebuke me in the comment section. You're clearly correct mate, you got me. BTW Adults really should know where there/their* are applicable in sentences. If you're*/your gonna come at me at least do me the courtesy of spelling at a year 5 level. Cheers Deano

[@mrtruth5192]

@@farmerdean3791 Damn you must be having a bad day, sorry I upset you dude. No one was "coming at you". If you're* going to be one of "those" people, at least check your* own grammar. You know....like your first sentence...."Look if can't laugh at them saying it felt 5 hours long then preceding to talk for another 2 hours, I'm not here". 👈 How does that make any sense? Anyway I hope you're* feeling better. Cheers Truth

[@daganmoriarty1973]

I could have continued for another 20-25 minutes, easily. ; )